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[Kimo Li]

What is the function of a roulette forum? It is a place where like minded roulette players gather to talk about the common knowledge of roulette. The reality of this kind of forum does not work because, when it comes to proprietary knowledge, most are not willing to share. Why is that? Take the elements that form a small town community, grocer, hardware store, ice cream shop, restaurant, gas station, barber, baker, to name a few, each contribute to the function of the community.

A roulette community does not function that way. Instead, if a roulette player has a strategy that works really well, they are "expected" to share freely, or else they are chastised and called all kinds of names, liars, scammers, etc.

In a town community, people pay for goods and services in order to function in life. Why should the baker share a secret recipe passed down from generations? Should the grocer give free goods to the entire community? Here lies the problem with roulette forum members, they want something for nothing.

Most forums have a policy where a player is able to solicit their goods and services, "Systems, Product, and Services for sale." The merchants are quickly scrutinized, and in most cases, endure bullying and abuse from the roulette community. Other places forbid the solicitation of goods and services regarding roulette altogether.

Word of mouth by a community shows the essence of communication. It has been my experience that when I decide to pay a premium price for a cherry turnover baked pie, it's because I heard about it through word of mouth, to see what the rave is all about; that is what a community is about, acknowledging the worth of our baker.

There is no point in having a roulette forum where only common knowledge is shared and goods and services are not welcomed. A close society is a dead society.

[alrelax]

You are correct to a certain point.  Yes. 

However, there are various kinds of forums on today's internet.

1) A for pay only entrance type of site, meaning a closed and private site that 'is what it is' in the realism of those words.  BTC would be an example of that;

2) Then there are the very large free for all with 30 to 50 active rooms/departments going on in all directions, such as: VMB and WOV as well as numerous other ones of smaller membership.  Bear in mind, most all the content is consumerish (IMO and reality) of course others might and will challenge that last statement I am sure;

3)  Then there are a few small specialized ones, such as our here, BetSelection.  The theory was no advertising, members police themselves, more technical and BLOGS from its members and a few other casino related rooms/areas. 

For sake of space and clarity, I will limited by outline to those 3 areas above.  Myself, I have been around casinos and gambling for 35 years or so and have countless family members employed within the casino industry in Atlantic City, Las Vegas and the Midwest Region of the USA. 

I don't know everything about gaming, but I will boast and I will state I know a heck of a lot, let's just say more than many and not as much as everyone.  I found a home here on BetSelection and have left a couple of times, caused problems to defend my point/feelings, etc.  I was on VMB and WOV for a few years a while back, but nothing except drama, consumerish stuff and lots of sheer ego and chest pumping with whom is best liked or most hated, IMO and in 90%-98% reality. 

As far as the small town relation you outlined, I live in the Midwest at the moment and in an extremely small town and I have spent decades in New York City/Metro New Jersey before.  Both have pros and cons as far as sharing, advantages and different societal communities.  Some find New York City friendlier and more quaint then a rural Midwest town of say 1,000 people with all those little business in its downtown section.  Some would say just the opposite as well.  IMO, there is no winner, it is just preference.

As far as the board here, IMO once again, I believe we have a great board with the premises, smaller is better without all the gibberish and drama and worthless advertising.  We had lots more traffic but it was among about 5 or 6 people with an exclusive circle of about 10 or so members that attempted to rule, over take and control the board with one-liners, strong handed acceptance tactics, double talk and if it is not my way I will tell everyone to leave, etc., type of postings.  If you want those people, to the best of my knowledge they are all over at a forum called Gamblersforum, the small group was banned from here but recently almost all of them were allowed back, some post and some do not. 

I believe I attempted to really accomplish what you might have in mind regarding roulette play at B&M casinos, but for the game of baccarat.

Myself, I truly do welcome all types form all walks of life.  But I subscribe to that Barnes and Noble Bookstore mentality for the shopper.  Which is, browse, read and enjoy.  But, if you don't like something, set it down, move on and as you would in Barnes and Noble, no need to write, post and bother that author relentlessly and make your point over his, as no one made you pick up and read his book, waste your time and waste your money.  Same here.  Just other places that last scenario is what they really live each day to do, enter the ring, chastise, humiliate, call names and attempt to keep the circle of friends tight and the outsiders wishing to get in.   

However, if you do have a great cherry pie and are looking to share it, maybe you would like to get some of a super fantastic peach pie or a KimChi-Bulgogi knock your socks off pizza or perhaps a mouth watering special PHO soup with some killer meatball stuffed fresh spring rolls???

[Kimo Li]

You missed the point. It's about a public roulette forum and why I believe most the content cannot be discussed openly because of the nature of propriety and secrets. A private roulette forum, on the other hand, functions normally because everyone share the same knowledge and offer information because they paid their dues.

So in this case, the public roulette forum, it is open to a wide spectrum of good and bad information, good and bad people, defensive and insecure points of view.

[alrelax]

You are correct again in many points.  You should join and continue at BTC or the likes of that forum.  You are above the level of all here and you will not share, yes I understand. 

[Kimo Li]

I have shared many ideas throughout the years. Some are posted here, like the corners idea. I have brought innovative roulette thinking regarding the Global Pie and the Matrix. I have established a school with members from all over the world, exchanging ideas, and using the casinos as their personal ATM whenever they need money.

Am I above everyone here, I doubt that. But you are right, I feel like I don't belong here.

[alrelax]

You belong where you truly want to be and share, discuss, post, engage and talk with those that you enjoy doing same with.

This is a base, use it the way you see fit.  If you are really what you believe you are about, people like you will make or break this place into better or worse. 

Positive, constructive, non tormenting, nurturing and offering assistance to those that might be around and seeking same is the ultimate and best type of forum, IMO. 

If you truly have something, put extra cherries and some other tastes in that pie, offer some napkins and let's go.  If not, try Gamblersforum or BTC or one of the many others.   

[esoito]

Given that we're only here temporarily (we'll all die at some point), then none of us really belong anywhere whilst we occupy meat-space.

[alrelax]

Actually you can do something about that theory of passing away.

My 6 year old said a few months, "We are no longer celebrating your birthday any longer".  I said, "Okay, why is that"?  He said, "Because I figured out, that if we stop having birthdays for you than you will never pass away, and I don't want you to leave me".

So hey esoito, no more birthdays for you either, Vic too. 

[Jimske]

IMO, reason people don't share is because they can't.  They don't have a definable method.  Whatever they do is subjective even if, like me, they have a base structure to start.

I'm not buying that there are definable winning methods that are held secret.  Humans can't keep secrets!  LOL  These methods would be spread around in a fairly short period of time.

[Kimo Li]

"If you truly have something, put extra cherries and some other tastes in that pie, offer some napkins and let's go."

I will tell you, Oklahoma has the best cherry pie turnover in the United States, word of mouth.



"Here lies the problem with roulette forum members, they want something for nothing."

Jimske, let's say you are correct. People can't share because they don't have a definable method. So what's the point in having a public roulette forum.

Sorry, no free lunches from me. I tried that 10 years ago.

[Blue_Angel]

In my point of view:


Do people have the right to share something which is their mental property? Yes.


Do they have the right to sell it if they wish? Yes.


Do they have the right to set the price? Yes.


Does selling equate with quality of a product/service? Not necessarily.


Does the price alone indicates quality? Not necessarily.


Does someone should be given the option to buy? Yes.


Does someone has to pay a certain fee, or to buy at all? Of course not.


I believe that the ONLY foul is on EXAGGERATION and MISLEADING CLAIMS, sellers know that in order to attract potential customers they have to make a difference from their competition, they have to give a good reason to buy from them, that's why they tend to excessive claims which in turn deceive.
There are a ton of mid to low quality products being sold every day around the world, have anyone charged them with penalties? No.
Therefore the unethical and illegal part of a fraud is in the promise, directly given or indirectly implied the result remains the same.


I perfectly understand when someone doesn't want to share, for whatever reason, whatever he/she possesses, BUT when we are talking about betting methods/systems/strategies then why to sell (sell = expecting to receive money from a transaction whether it is product or service) when the "product" itself is generating profit??!


Simply it doesn't make sense!

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

 I think what Sensei Kimo Li means, is simply,
*you want knowledge, you need to pay huge sum of money, or else*

the problem , is, how we know that his knowledge,  worth the money, or rubbish?
he a seller with ^caveat emptor^...

if you lose money after paying him, that simply mean your hard skull can't take or understand his lesson.

by the way, who want to sell his money making machine?
where the logic?

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

if I have money making strategy, do you think I will sell it,
of course not..

if I have money making strategy, that only work most of the time,
then I will franchise them to the gullible,
if you constantly make money, then pay me, if you lose..your underwear,

err...that's your problem...

[alrelax]

BlueANgel, you are 99% to 101% correct in everything you said.

How about, if you want to be here and participate, engage and expand and put some effort, time and thought into it all with real honest and goodness intentions, do it and make it a better/best message board forum around?

You know I did allow Mark/Gizmo to at least present his school/teaching/tutoring, etc., I did not endorse it or disallow it.  I allowed it because he was a known member here for some time and I respected him as that, not as a teacher or profit maker. 

I respect you, Jimske, Vic, esoito, Asymbac, Ted009, Lungyeh, Kimo, 8or9, many many others and there is a handful that I despise--as you and many know.  The handful I despise are those that engage in repetitive one-liners, drama only, berating and humiliating known or unknown members and attempting to control and take charge of the website and its aura and personalty turning it into their own playground.  Etc., etc. 

I have lots of special and unique things and along with Vic's help and cooperation, they might come to fruition.  I personally do not see a site that has a monthly membership for the sole reason to have iron gates around it and the premise, if you pay to join you will share among all of the smartest and most successful gamblers in the world, etc., etc. etc., or anything along those lines.  Although, that is very attractive as a simple sales tool but will only work with the newest of the new gamblers and the same types of people that walk into a casino with limited experience, win the first night and their eyes become twice as large and the saliva is dripping down their chin from their insane luck they are experiencing with no background or knowledge as to what will soon happen. 

If someone wants to hang on the corner with a group of the so called, "cool kids" like we all used to know in grade school, you know those kids with the t shirts with the rolled up sleeves, smoking cigarettes, drinking a coke, talking about all the girls they had sex with that they never really did, etc., and then they wait for the teacher's pet, that one really smart kid that puts his heart and soul into his school work and his family life to come walking down the street so they can pick on him, throw things at him and tease him..............................okay you get the picture what I am trying to say.  The same things kind of happens on the internet within the message boards.  Maybe a way to view BetSelection is that we are mostly the teacher's pets and really trying to excel, share, learn and extend friendship and the others are well, part of those elite little circle of friends that live for drama without meaning? 

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

though I do not believe hg exist, I do found the  Kimo Li 's principle quite universally interesting..

his principles concept is something like this..

say, you divide the wheel to halves.
eg. european wheel, with zero at top,

then after numerous spins,
track which half the ball or hits favor..

if the hit almost balanced hit...

or the ball favor the right, or left...that a bias..
either way., the casino doomed..
why? its very simple, if the wheel well balance in long run, any side will produce profit.

if the wheel bias, that side produce profit..

then you could also divide the wheel into three equal pie...
and see if it well balanced, or favor one or two particular pie in long run, and act accordingly..

then, there six pies..or even more..
see which pies favored, or well balanced.

if it well balanced, the casino doomed,
if it favor certain parts, the casino also doomed.

(my english suck...thousand apology. ..hehe..)