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[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

then , there single number pies, europe wheel has 37 pies,

make a matrix of 37.
since average only 24numbers hit,
you will see  a certain numbers never fail to hit in every round of 37spins...
you may choose to risked, to bet a single , two, or three or four numbers that seem to appeared every 37spins...

[Blue_Angel]

Thank you Al for your kind words, make me feel welcome! 
The way I consider the situation is the following:

Even if you would share a long term winning method for free, do you think that all gamblers worldwide would read your topic? No.

Do you think that from those who would read it all of them would use it, let alone to the letter?  No.

Do you think that casinos would close, stop roulette game, or even change its rules, which have never changed since 1 and a half century ago?  No.

Therefore my conclusion is that when I listen to excuses such as killing the goose with the golden eggs or casinos changing or even terminating roulette game is a far cry to say the least.

Banning is not really a problem because there are so many casinos around the world which makes almost impossible to find on every one of them its door closed.
Furthermore have you heard the 12 labors of Hercules? 1 of them was about the mythical monster of Hydra, when Hercules was cutting 1 head, 2 were popping out to replace the one fallen...thus if casino(s) bans 1 individual how about if that individual creates a team and from each and every team mate would receive a cut of say 20% up to 35% of net profits, wouldn't that be much worse for the casinos?
How about keeping a low profile by rotating between various casinos and maintaining profit on moderate levels?

People tend to overestimate what they have, a golden idea could produce millions literally, but without making proper planning and organization, without necessary capital, without execution of every single step of the plan to the letter, with discipline, moderation and patience, on the top of everything else a lack of any other problems which would be an obstacle for realizing the plan, the golden idea would worth nothing simply because it could not be materialized.

So please do not insult our intelligence by speaking about "gooses with golden eggs"!

[Kimo Li]

What would be the "logical" reason for selling a method that makes a lot of money? It would be foolish for me to give it away for free.

People contact me asking about my method. I turn down 99 percent of all inquires because they cannot pass the vetting process.

The dilemma I faced was, do I take this idea to the grave or do I help people who I believe deserve to benefit from this information?

When the day comes and I meet my maker, I will find comfort knowing that some of the information I shared will not die with me. I will also find peace, knowing that the information that I do take with me will never fall into the hands of undeserving, greedy, evil people.

There is a goose that lays the golden egg. It is not intelligence that I insult. It is ignorance that deplores me. It's like saying man will never land on the moon. There will never be a black American president. Roulette can never be beaten.

The function of a roulette forum is to bring to together like minded people together and bash their ideas. Is that it? Look in the mirror and say to yourself, "I don't have a method that works." So now the mission is to seek those who claim to have the golden goose and discredit them by all means.

Such is the function of a roulette forum.

I don't see anyone saying, "You have the Golden Goose? How do I get one?" Fear of the unknown make cowards of the undecided.

[alrelax]

It is not just gambling/casino, IMO.  It is many things in life, many, countless.

I have posted pictures and a few stories about my business I am currently in, the hazardous material clean up emergency response business that is.  You know, i read your post(s), I think back and I compare, and compare, and compare, and compare. 

I deal with state police officers, county sheriff's, sometimes city police officers, private business owners of properties where a truck spilled something at, etc., etc.  The higher the person's apparent intelligence, education, standing, etc., and all that--generally the more of a challenge I have when I first roll up on the scene. 

Now, the state, the department of transportation, the fire departments, etc., do not clean up hazardous, toxic or spilled property from trucks and trains, they might mitigate a bit or more often than not, just stand by and offer defense and protection in case of fire and/or disaster.  Okay with that said, like I said, more often than not, the higher the education and intelligence level of a person at the site, the tougher my job becomes. 

I simply love it when it goes the way it is supposed to go, "Okay Glen is here, you need anything Glen?, if not you got the scene and I am out of here, thanks bye".  It always comes to that anyway, seriously, but it is the drama and the chest pumps and the crotch grabbing that is so damn ugly and so common, more and more so these days than ever before. 

Can you relate all that to the casino and to the new versus the experienced players?  As well, to the forum members?  I certainly can!

[Sputnik]

Kimo Li I read the first post of this topic and want to make some comments.

I don't feel there is anything wrong with selling and think such section should be allowed at all gambling forums.
Roulette-forum dot cc has one.

Problem with selling is that you only have the creators word and promise that there is a working method.
It is very rare that you find some members backing up such creator in public.

For example, Hi, I buy Doctor Tom's Baccarat system and it works.
In reality, you see someone that wants to trade Doctor Tom's losing system for something else or just posting a free copy of the strategy for everyone to see.
That method goes for 700$

I spent over 10 years on gambling forums and I have never seen anyone say, Hi my name is X and I buy this system and win more then I lose.
And no one has shared such a thing in private, the word should go around if there was such a method.

But I have seen free topics from different creators where they have become several pages long with several thousands of views.
Where members report success and among them.
With decent knowledge, you can win using that particular method.

Here are two examples.

I once read an old test from a roulette competition and the winner was Izak Dozen System.
And in second place another method.
I email the person who was involved in this test and the systems were given to me for free.

At forum Roulette-Forum dot com you have a person who won 30K using his method.
That is everything else than pure luck and other members report success using the method.
Is free and anyone can copy and paste the information and simulate and practice before real play with real money.

I know this is rare, but anyone who is prepared to do their homework can find great things on gambling forums.
First, you look for a post with several thousands of views and then you look and confirm that the topic has several replies that indicate long discussion.
Those topics include tweaks and the original and improvements that can make a complex roulette mind happy.

It takes time to find such topics, some are pure garbage and some are a goldmine, my opinion.

Cheers

[Dr. Mabuse]

Sputnik,


Well said.


Dr. Mabuse

Tsi Nan Fu

[Kimo Li]

There is no question; there is a gold mine of information posted on roulette forums. It's up to each reader to extract the information and apply it accordingly. However, the current state of roulette forums, in my opinion, does not function as a collaborative community, rather a place to scrutinize claims, and demand the creator to prove it publicly. Why? If the creator was stupid enough to show what they know, the public would say, "That's great, you were right, thanks," Sucker...

Why is it rare for members to back up their creator publicly? Once they publicly post their testimonials, they become vulnerable to private message stalking or even verbal abuse. No one wants that.

There is a solution. I could post what some students say after learning about the "goose." But even that can be scrutinized. I will post a few anyway to hear people's reaction.

CD

"Trust your fine, everything is going as expected, winning day after day, started slowly but now I have changed the gears. You are the BEST and I will be great full [sic] for your teachings for the rest of my life. THANKS."

AE

"I was in Macao yesterday and have a chance to test what I learn from you in a real wheel, and the ... gave me good result USD 500 in less than 30 minutes, I remember you saying when we don't have much data just play ...or ..., so I open my computer write down the number and went to a casino, and the result gave the big smile on my face, amazing."

AA
"How are you doing? I hope all is well. Every day I keep thinking what you shared with me. The couple of weeks I have been training intensively. I see ... works very well for me. I can track the numbers better this way. Started to play live and so far I closed the sessions with success. Your tracking methods and the spreadsheets are incredible, so sophisticated ... You planted a seed that hopefully will grow into a nice tree someday.
Thanks again my friend for sharing your knowledge and teachings. May God grant you as many as there are leaves from all the trees you have planted."

PS
"Hi ..., I hope all is well with you. I would just like to thank you for the lessons and am glad to let you know that I'm doing pretty great with what I've learned from our sessions. From the 100 dollar/day profit I used to make I am now earning 300 dollars/visit playing roulette having the same bankroll from even before I started taking lessons. Sorry for the late email as we had to deal with a medical emergency in the family when our sessions concluded. I was not able to message you right away.

I now play with more confidence and use less spins for triggers. Now I only wait for 3 spins before placing down my bets. I've tweaked a bit of our concepts if you don't mind and to this day I still couldn't believe I have been profiting greatly for the past 2 months of playing. There are days it take me only 5 spins, on others it's 20 spins but all in all everything seems to be coming together. Sorry for the long email, I just realized I never had the opportunity to thank you properly."

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

I said this before, but still want to say this again..

but with all due rspect....


"Kimo Li is a very good marketing strategist, a very good marketeer, good marketing script writer, a very good advertiser...."

His principle of roulette wheel. betting is good.but not hg, only high probability that also lose to HE.
...............
caveat emptor.

[Kimo Li]

I said this before, but still want to say this again..

but with all due rspect....


"Kimo Li is a very good marketing strategist, a very good marketeer, good marketing script writer, a very good advertiser...."

His principle of roulette wheel. betting is good.but not hg, only high probability that also lose to HE.
...............
caveat emptor.

Your response, with all due respect, is exactly what one would say when one does not possess a strategy that makes money consistently. One of the questions that I may ask when someone is interested in learning a lesson is: "Do you believe a roulette strategy can beat the House Edge?" If your answer is no, you will not qualify for a lesson, reason being, you already have defeated mindset.

If one enters an endeavor and believes they cannot succeed, they will not succeed. I had a student that learned the lesson but had a hard time making a profit. He wrote to me and said some really hurtful words. I tried to help him but he blamed me for his misfortune. My response was of encouragement and reinforcement of what I had taught him. I pointed out the rules of engagement and said to him, "If you do not follow what I said, you will not win. I cannot control your actions, only you can do that." He was very angry. I was sadden by his experience. I had failed him. Then, I received an email, a year later.

MM

"It's ... from .... You gave me some lessons beginning about 2 years ago. About a year ago I wrote you and told you about my frustrations as I was not doing well. Well the reason I wasn't doing well is because I was not following your exact rules. Still trying to go for the big hit on my favorite numbers. In other words playing like an a$$hole as I call it.

Over the last few months I refocused and just concentrated solely on ... Tracking ... I usually focus on .... I have been doing amazingly well. Just focus and probably the hardest thing of them all. Just be disciplined. I have been buying in for 200 and playing dollars. I will bet 2 dollars on each of the numbers. I know you usually encourage negative progression. I admit this is the one part I have trouble pulling the trigger on sometimes. I sometimes do a positive progression like if you are in a big run just adding one chip. I know this is one of the big disputes in strategy. Should you flat bet? Negative or positive progression?

What I am stunned by is no matter what even through rough stretches I almost have chips in front of me. It can survive those stretches. Then eventually you usually hit a big run. I never lose the 200 buy in. I end up in positive I would say 8/10 times. The other two I may lose 100 and just not feeling it. I but in at another table. Yesterday I won 800 in 3 hours. The thing that has stuck with me is you said you don't need a computer. You have one. Your brain. I have been studying more then I can explain. I now can look at the last 4-8 spins and know exactly what to bet. If I do t get a hit change to another .... I think this is one of the most difficult things to do. Especially when the ... you have just lost on hits on the first spin!! But I have told myself just to ride the ship. Eventually it will break. A streak will come.

I just wanted to say I am sorry about going off last year. I am really getting it. I believe I have become a very good player but at the same time just scratching the surface."

In my book, I state, "Fact or Fiction," you decide.

[seykid31]

He might be a great advertiser,or marketing whatever but what the guy shared all those years on different forums plus his book I have benefited greatly from them. No ,im not a millionaire but im not a loser either.   

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

heloooo mr Kimo Li, and seykid..

to put it bluntly,
any seller and his sidekicks,
just seller and sidekicks,

why?...
the money stop trickling in, or the sheet sales chart turns SE?

This  obviously a sales pitch,  for the gullible.
Mr Li, or respectfully Sensei Li,
you need money?
then go to casino,  and win some chips, or a single chip,

(for a  chip may have $5, $50, $500 or $5k, or $5million,

why bothering selling? selling hg? for $2000usd?
what a joke!
never mind, sucker born every second.
I not saying your strategy useless, but  it  not hg.
it may win constantly, but not always.
if you have hg, why bothering selling sheet, and systems,, in your forum.

if one can  simply win any day
one could simply win a few chips, and call it a day.

[alrelax]

PLEASE STOP!

If for some reason you/anyone does not like--enjoy--find interesting--researchable--etc., just turn the page and go on.

I know that sounds cold in a way, I know that sounds biased towards the poster in a way, I know that sounds like the easy way out in many ways.  However, we are a forum, an avenue of people with thoughts and ideas and everything in-between and everything related.

Here is a short piece I wrote on this same thread in relation to reality:

"I believe I attempted to really accomplish what you might have in mind regarding roulette play at B&M casinos, but for the game of baccarat.

Myself, I truly do welcome all types from all walks of life.  But I subscribe to that Barnes and Noble Bookstore mentality for the shopper.  Which is, browse, read and enjoy.  But, if you don't like something, set it down, move on and as you would in Barnes and Noble, no need to write, post and bother that author relentlessly and make your point over his, as no one made you pick up and read his book, waste your time and waste your money.  Same here.  Just other places that last scenario is what they really live each day to do, enter the ring, chastise, humiliate, call names and attempt to keep the circle of friends tight and the outsiders wishing to get in."

I do not endorse the O.P., but this is a gambling board forum.  You can use it anyway you see fit, with or against the posters and all that.  Please do not turn it into a wrestling ground, a boxing ring or a one-way avenue for a private agenda while trashing and chastising those you do not agree with for whatever reason. 

Thanks, Glen.

[Kimo Li]

Thanks for your post Glen.

For the record, lessons will not be offered to anyone associated with this forum; so now I cannot be accused of soliciting. Glen is right, the bickering stops.

[BEAT-THE-WHEEL]

Thanks for your post Glen.

For the record, lessons will not be offered to anyone associated with this forum; so now I cannot be accused of soliciting. Glen is right, the bickering stops.

helo alrelax,
with all due respect,
I just want to discourage gullible people paying to some people claiming education,
at best, the system just stable in long run, and at worst, you already know the answer,

you yourself claimed that your 30+ years of experience, do you condone any seller here, with mesmerising sales pitch, and have their own forum selling systems for thousands of dollar, (how i know he offered system for 2000k?)
what the seller doing here? of course , prospecting for client.

it is wrong to say , just read and get lost if you don't like the topic. where the morality, where your conscience?
people might readily paying to scammer, believing they have finaly found their golden goose.

ask yourself , where your conscience,  and your morality?
you will not like what I wrote here, but face the hurtful truth, there's lots od sucker and swindle.
if you can't stand what I post here, be a coward and ban me...

[Mike]

Your response, with all due respect, is exactly what one would say when one does not possess a strategy that makes money consistently. One of the questions that I may ask when someone is interested in learning a lesson is: "Do you believe a roulette strategy can beat the House Edge?" If your answer is no, you will not qualify for a lesson, reason being, you already have defeated mindset.

If one enters an endeavor and believes they cannot succeed, they will not succeed.

Not really. I can have a "negative" mindset but if the system works and I follow it as per the rules, I will still win. In the remainder of your post you went on to describe the experience of a former student who at first failed and then succeeded, but he didn't fail because of a negative mindset, only because he continued to use his "old" methods.

I don't believe any system can beat the house edge, but it's not the BELIEF itself which causes me to lose. There are other causes (such as that the system doesn't increase the accuracy of predictions).