How does this idea look to you?
A global library of systems: categorized by year of development, member who created the system, games covered by the system, game locations to bet in addition to origin forum, valuation, comments ...
It would be a bonanza for this forum to develop a database of its kind, with the help of all members and curated by the staff here. as far as I know it is not a crime for members to make a summary of a system published by another member in their own words.
It should be a global effort. the database must be freely available if everyone participates. Friends of forums in different languages can contribute systems originated in their language.
It would be great to see all the systems by a member with a click, all systems of dozens published in year X, all systems applicable to roulette and baccarat and sic bo, and all other results with the combinations of possibilities that can be obtained with a database of its kind.
Name of the database: "World Library of Systems Database."
What says the staff and forum members of this idea? Thank you.
Better get a lot of extra cyberspace to warehouse that one! :nod:
Quote from: alrelax on October 23, 2014, 10:04:30 PM
Better get a lot of extra cyberspace to warehouse that one! :nod:
Thank you for the approval friend alrelax. I am sure that other members would not mind working this database if it is to everyone's benefit. many contribute with posts in the forums already.
Still remains to be seen if the response from staff is positive. If the staff would commit to maintaining a database of its kind. This should not be a lot more space than a series of web threads. In fact much lower because each entry is only a summary of the original thread containing the system.
The burden would be in maintaining the data and ensure that jokers can not enter trash systems, or obscene comments, or comments mocking the original system, etc. To have a database of quality and properly maintained by the staff for all to enjoy.
Oh don't get me wrong, I would definitely read through it, there are lull's at work too. But seriously I would! After all I am not growing spinach in a swamp yet while playing the accordion or whatever the Floridian remarked.
I always have something constructive to do like cleaning up sulfuric acid or formaldehyde or up righting a tractor trailer lying across the interstate. LOL.
Got to go, my accordion is waiting out in my spinach patch. [smiley]aes/joking.png[/smiley]
Quote from: alrelax on October 23, 2014, 11:05:19 PM
Oh don't get me wrong, I would definitely read through it, there are lull's at work too. But seriously I would! After all I am not growing spinach in a swamp yet while playing the accordion or whatever the Floridian remarked.
I always have something constructive to do like cleaning up sulfuric acid or formaldehyde or up righting a tractor trailer lying across the interstate. LOL.
Got to go, my accordion is waiting out in my spinach patch. [smiley]aes/joking.png[/smiley]
Funny :)) :))
Returning to the idea of the database staff have the final word because they would undertake the task to maintain and curing the data continuously.
In my perception to enter data into a form is the easy part: it is to fire and forget. Many members can perform this task so it would be divided and each member only does a little at a time. Then comes the necessary sift to maintain clean and consistent all the data over time. I believe it is the greatest burden on the staff to engage if you consider it a compromise. Now to wait for more feedback and the official response.
A good idea on the face of it.
I guess a system would only be added to the forum database after careful vetting by....well, yes -- by whom?
Otherwise, unless careful safeguards are put in place I can see copyright violations becoming a very vexed issue!
I do believe that a compilation of hundreds of "systems" would be, well, ugly.
What I believe "wannawin" would rather have is a compilation of system plays that people actually USE.
Most, if not all of the stuff posted up around the forums is absolute junk. Usually just tossed out as an idea, and usually a bad one at that.
No sense in "collecting" masses of junk plays. That would about as pointless as throwing away a perfectly good spinach pizza.
So, I would recommend that the compilation be of system type plays that are actually IN USE when posted.
As most "mechanical" systems are based on either a trigger or some sort of opposite/repeat theory, the list of GOOD mechanical plays should be manageable.
AD
Quote from: ADulay on October 24, 2014, 01:30:04 AM... the list of GOOD mechanical plays should be manageable.
There is only one.
Rinzler was complaining it cost him $35 to withdraw cash from an ATM machine in Vegas, why did he even bother, one wonders?
Never heard of the $35 atm fee yet. I run front money wherever I play in Vegas, when I escape the property and run somewhere else and need cash for whatever, I hit an ATM with a debit card. Never been charged more than a couple of dollars. Unless you are referring to the pick up the phone and get an advance deal, I never heard of ATM's that charge $35.00. Any megaresort, Bellagio, PH, Wynn, Mirage, all the shopping malls, etc., all have tons of ATM's that will be $1.95 or $2.95 or so.
I once read a topic about a guy show post the names of 200 systems - he wanted to trade and non of the 200 system made him a winner.
Quote from: Sputnik on October 24, 2014, 05:05:00 PM
I once read a topic about a guy show post the names of 200 systems - he wanted to trade and non of the 200 system made him a winner.
Not 1 valid rock solid system to clock the casino in a library of 200????? Wow, blows my mind, can't understand that one!
As an aside -- those who don't use a system are, by default, using a system, aren't they?
Quote from: esoito on October 24, 2014, 11:13:43 PM
As an aside -- those who don't use a system are, by default, using a system, aren't they?
This is like saying that people caused global warming. People are a part of nature, and nature did it.
Anyway, let's keep it simple. Wouldn't want to confuse the others.
Quote from: Rinzler on October 24, 2014, 11:17:42 PM
This is like saying that people caused global warming. People are a part of nature, so nature did it.
To a certain degree that IS actually true.
Quote from: greenguy on October 25, 2014, 08:38:20 AM
To a certain degree that IS actually true.
We are what we are, genetic enhancement, etc, or not.
Systems w/i systems.
I agree with much of what has been said so far. However, lets think about Tools & Strategies instead of systems for a moment.
Systems are very specific, rigid ways of playing. Everyone has their own and they tend to get dismissed the moment they lose money.
Strategies on the other hand are more generally defined i.e. Hunting for "L" in WL patterns or other opportunities. The goal is always
the same in a strategy, we can however get there in different ways. This means we don't have to rigidly make that same bet every time
condition 'X' happens. We can search for the right opportunity then decide if the conditions (bankroll, win or loss streak etc) warrant a bet.
Strategies allow many players to play the same general way, for the same goal, each being able to tweak their style and share results.
I have an idea... What if we had a library of Software Tools which reflected everyone's style of play/strategy. They would be generic enough so
many people could use them in slightly different ways. The free software on here I've seen is VERY specific to a single play style/system. This makes
it useful for the person who created it but not much else.
Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the efforts of my fellow coders here. It's just that we need an overall system which everyone regardless of coding skills
can contribute to, and benefit from.
I've coded tools & trackers for myself and others before in support of strategy play. I'm willing to code tools for some money. Here's how I can see it working:
I charge a flat fee per tool/job, based on the amount of work. It would be significantly less than the costs of a custom bot (which I don't really do).
Let's say $25-50 per tool. (I've seen bots quoted from $150-250).
That tool would be made available for download on an external website (which I would run & pay for). Anyone else would have access to the tool for a small fee. The original purchaser
would obviously have access for no additional cost. However they would get free access to any OTHER tools on the site as well, FOR LIFE. That way they aren't just fronting the
cost of their tool for everyone else. They are paying once and getting access to MANY tools. Could also offer incentives for people who contribute more than once.
Anyone who wants to just use the tools can do so at a minimal cost say, $5 monthly membership. That gives the people paying for coding an incentive to contribute good ideas
and a low cost to access the tools for everyone else.
This is just an idea, not set in stone. Let me know what you think.
I've attached some of my previous work as an example.
Cheers,
RTB
Quote from: ADulay on October 24, 2014, 01:30:04 AMWhat I believe "wannawin" would rather have is a compilation of system plays that people actually USE.
A library of every system under the sun. No more criteria than it has been published previously.
Who says what is good and what not? The gold system for a player is the trash system to the other. The idea would be that it is the player who has the freedom of choice, so he does not have to go through all the forums and topic searching endlessly on the websites for all systems by a user or for all systems for dozens. Better to have all condensed into a raging database. All systems previously published using a single search interface. That would be the worthy goal.
Quote from: RTB on October 26, 2014, 12:34:14 AM
I have an idea... What if we had a library of Software Tools which reflected everyone's style of play/strategy. They would be generic enough so
many people could use them in slightly different ways.
I like the idea. Apparently here you have a similar idea with the betsoftware program. If I understood correctly it is a mixture of given away software and payment software. Well, it is my understanding. I still do not have it very clear.
Your idea is a good idea even if it only serves to create competition and that the new software will remove the lethargy of others. If there is competition the winners are the users. Go ahead to develop this proposition. I hope you have better reception than the rouletteplayer.net effort.
rouletteplayer was a promising attempt but seems it fell in lethargy too. Even bastions like roulette xtreme added new features to the step of a rheumatic turtle in much of the recent time. We need more action to maintain the flow of gambling programs in good shape. Receive encouragement from here.
I deeply miss the days of yore when systems developers such as turbogenius and old forum programmers were active and working together. They were really a bulwark. Greetings and much success to you.
Quote from: ADulay on October 24, 2014, 01:30:04 AM... a compilation of system plays that people actually USE.
QuoteHa, well no, we aren't in the habit of giving away manuals for junior (free) members to test. They have already been fully tested and vetted by many qualified experts and we already know that they work and many private members are already making a good living from these manuals.
I am not at all suprised to learn that you are not doing so well with what you have been able to glean from the public forum. Winning is not that easy and you need the skills taught on the private forums. Correct, biases do not always last forever and often change and you need to learn how to cope with that and how to win anyway. That is what the private forums are all about and why people join them.
However, we are starting a new program that will be of interest to you:
Public members will be invited to play on line with us recommending your plays. You are free to play your money however you want and at whatever stakes you want. But down in a corner of your screen we will be telling you how we would play your shoe. You can follow our advice or not, as you choose. But at the end of the shoe you can compare your score to ours. It won't take long for you to see for yourself that you would have been better off to follow our play. Whatever money you win following our play is yours to keep.
Now, of course recognize that we are not going to keep doing this forever. At some point you will be asked to join the private foum. Then, as a private member you can keep following our lead while you are learning how to play.
But it is a way for you to prove to yourself that our play is a whole lot better than your play BEFORE you join the private forum - which is exactly what you were trying to do in the first place. No other site offers such proof.
We put our money where our mouth is.
http://www.beatthecasino.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8251
Not by telling us what to bet! Especially when any up-as-lose progression will make you a winner 97% of the time over the short-term.
Quote from: RTB on October 26, 2014, 12:34:14 AM
Strategies on the other hand are more generally defined i.e. Hunting for "L" in WL patterns or other opportunities. The goal is always the same in a strategy, we can however get there in different ways.
:glasses: :glasses: :glasses:
In the end will we be able to make a database assisted by members of this forum? I can put systems but obviously it needs the support of everyone to flourish the database contents. If the staff gives approval then this website will have many more visitors. With a good system of labeling and good search page the systems in this database will attract much more than if the user has to search through all the forums manually one by one.
Its creation was approved YES or NO? Thank you.
Quote from: wannawin on October 29, 2014, 10:31:02 PM
In the end will we be able to make a database assisted by members of this forum?
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Its creation was approved YES or NO? Thank you.
Walter, you know I'm
most-willing to implement anything in favor of our community.
I'd be totally willing and glad to open such a database for fellow members to use and enjoy in full. Now, please understand; what I can't -really can't- do at this time is making a commitment to maintaining it (i.e. browsing actively through every system, rating them, do constant proofreading / editing, etc.)
my plate's full as it is.
I have a nighttime shift already for trying to make our BetSoftware and other tech projects be what they can be in favor of this community.
Please notice this isn't a "NO"; this is a:
no problem in opening/implementing the database, as well as its accessory search utility; yet in all honesty can't commit to monitoring it at the required rate in order to achieve the level fellow members deserve to enjoy such a compilation completely.
OK, now onto the bright side. My humble offer:
- Building the database schema in a most-portable format such as sqlite, for members to download to their computer easily.
- Hosting the most up-to-date version here at our server with a web-based search utility for looking it up online.
- Building a (very) simple pre-moderation mechanism for anyone who is designed the curator of the database to use. A simple approve / edit / delete page. Nothing fancy.
- After creating the schema and related utilities, my work stops there. My further involvement would be only to add features / update the related utilities, time permitting of course.
I'm speaking clearly to you as I know you appreciate. The ball's in your court now :nod:
Cheers!
Vic