Reality about to become a full time pro ...
What are the options ...

1) Well you can save one year of income and take one year off from work and give your new life a shot.
That way you keep your work and can return if things are not going your way ...
Then you have money for rent, food and bills.

2) Quit work and get 80% of salary from the state during one year (in my country)
You don't have a work you can return to, but you don't have to save for one year of income.
Will have money for rent, food and bills during one year.

3) Keep work and play when you have free time, but will then not deal with the same psychological pressure as if you would been depending on your gambling as your main income.
But would get good hints how you do overall to make up your mind.

Well this is the first three ideas that strike my mind.

Then comes other questions ...
as how much would you main bankroll be ?

Cheers

The 3d option is the correct one.
As for "how  much would you main bankroll be " it depends on the method and it s worst down during testing.
3X the worst down and you are ok(if the method is a real long run winner).

I will never be a professional player. I play nearly full time some periods, but not for the living. As retired I get my monthly pay, and I run a small business part time. If you mean you can make a living on roulette, I think your life will have some problems. I have meet some of those pro, and they use to be very short in the their career. 




I have meet two (both German and some decades ago) which have been living for long time on casino games, some 20 years, but they earned less than any do in the lowest paid work you can find.




If you stand amateur, you can still win decent. Amateur meant from beginning not any without ability, the amateur had the ability to do what he did due to the was already wealthy, and got time to improve all the time. The professional was those who  had to make a living of it. In modern time this changes so pro means you are better on something, and amateur means you are not. It is in the early meaning the opposite. Charles Darwin, Newton are two amateurs.


The "Rentner" you may find in Europe at casinos are happy with 30 Euros a day, they really work hard for theire money.


The bankroll size can make you stay longer, but may be not cheaper.




Some lucky can win very much (in a short burst), and think it can continue, my advice is if you hit it, play less rather than more.

I can talk about myself and some other todays and ex pro players.
As far as I'm concerned when going on the play trip anywhere,am not
going there without,at least 30 k.aiming winning 5-10% on nightly basis.
Sometimes I come/last week 2 nights in Znojmo/look,have a dinner,and
go to hotel without playing at all,comming back home with about 500 euros
minus for fuel and hotel.I met and seen many players around EU on regular
basis,especially Italians.The logical guestion here is;If these ppl.weren't winners
how come they are around for years.O yes they are losers....remember Niko Toša
The guy that took million and 3oo pounds in London few years back.Last I heard
from him was few years back from Australia,lost all and nobody ever heard from
him since.In other words VB play is a history with today wheels and balls.
Also remembered my trip to Macao few years back.....Almost 2 weeks there,such
long travel,without putting a chip on roulette table......this my friends are and should
be right signs of pro player.Close visual control of tables before you start playing/
I suggest you get the magnet detector/patience,self control and sufficient BR.and
ofcourse a method/s you know as well as yourself.

Professionals do not waste their time with long sessions.  They have a goal in mind and the take it. It's the greedy amateurs that use professional methods that give us professionals a bad rap.

TC

Quote from: The Crow on March 09, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
Professionals do not waste their time with long sessions.  They have a goal in mind and the take it. It's the greedy amateurs that use professional methods that give us professionals a bad rap.

Professionals pass up opportunities to have a great feast, only to grind
away with the grist of meat & potatoes. Out of fear that the game will
make a meal of them, they retreat trembling.  No way.

Being a Pro player means that the method that you are using can t lose on the long run,otherwise you aren t a Pro but a casual player.
So the fear of greed has nothing to do with Pro play.

I would also like to add that a Pro player (if there is anyone without AP ways i mean)is playing FLAT bets because it is supposed that he has found a way to have better accuracy on his bets than the normal one.
So he doesn t need a huge BR.
Progressions are for losers.(my opinion)

 
The question is how would you give it a shot, test your life as pro ...
When you as all have a rent, food and bills to pay ...

It is a realistic question and not about what a pro is !!!

Cheers

Quote from: The Crow on March 09, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
Professionals do not waste their time with long sessions.  They have a goal in mind and the take it.
TC

Exactly right. My sessions are very short, win 3 to 5 units
and get out. Its the size of the units that matter. You
don't want them to notice you, and if they do, by the time
they've called upstairs, you're already gone.

The old timers say "Get in, get it done, get out." Long sessions
are for amateurs and ploppies.

Quote from: Gizmotron on March 09, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Professionals pass up opportunities to have a great feast, only to grind
away with the grist of meat & potatoes. Out of fear that the game will
make a meal of them, they retreat trembling.  No way.

There is so much wrong with this statement. Pro's
don't care about 'feasts', they see opportunity on
every table. Feasts are for the desperate. Pro's
don't 'grind', they get in and get out. Pro's have
no fear of the game, they own the game they play
when in the casino. The casino fears them, not
the other way around.

Your practice at home should be about playing the shortest
and simplest game you can, so you can leave as
soon as possible. Winning consistently is one thing,
making the casino let you win is quite another.

"Keep testing before you make up your mind."


Two key questions arise from that option:   

1  How do you know when to stop?

2  How much testing is 'enough'?



Isn't the option, as worded, too open-ended and vague???

Quote from: esoito on March 09, 2013, 10:56:43 PM
"Keep testing before you make up your mind."


Two key questions arise from that option:   

1  How do you know when to stop?

2  How much testing is 'enough'?



Isn't the option, as worded, too open-ended and vague???

Is not vague, i just did not know how to wrap up point three in five words, i see now the word testing was wrong, maybe it should been getting a feel for the game and keep work and later on decide if you would pick option 1 or 2 ...

Quote3) Keep work and play when you have free time, but will then not deal with the
same psychological pressure as if you would been depending on your gambling as
your main income.
But would get good hints how you do overall to make up your
mind.

No need to test system, you can just use educated guess work with good MM and become a pro ...
Testing end up with one result in the long run, we all know that.
A pro see what is current and present and act on does parameters ...
My opinion ....

When a professional sits at a table, they can distinguish the professionals from the amateurs. That holds true with any profession. If you can not do that, then you are not a professional, perhaps a semi-pro at best.

A professional does not have one method; he or she has an arsenal of strategies.
A professional does not have only one way of thinking; but has the ability to embrace different mind sets, without giving prejudice.

I know for certain that Victor is a professional. Why? The fact he is willing to put himself out there for all eyes to gaze upon him, naked with an open mind, a sword in one hand, and an olive branch in the other.

Who amongst you declare yourselves professionals? The fact that Spike understands the nature of take only what you need, tells me he is a professional. He too, may sometimes half to wield his sword of words to ward of personal attacks.

I know of many professionals. Who do you know?

TC

GLC is a professional. Ralph is a professional. Bally6354 is a professional.

I believe that professionalism does not has to do if they spend 24 hours in the casino every day of the week. But with the level of professionalism facing the game. Even knowing that you can lose.

It is a daunting task. Congratulations to each and everyone who has the courage to do it.

You've changed the wording of the Poll for option 3. 

7 votes were recorded were for the previous option 3 that was originally to do with testing.

If you change wording during voting (shouldn't be done) then the results are inaccurate at best and invalid at worst.