...an online airball game really is a physical game, and is not actually an RNG facsimile?

After all, there are no players or dealers shown, are there?

So how can you tell for sure that you're not looking at, and playing on, the output of some clever coder?

From what I read, airball is coded with air jet changes, rotor speed changes and generally have no signature due to an algorithm.


As for magnets and trickery, I don't think so.

Hard disc with predetermined numbers that can't miss as each spin one of 37 numb.
is magnetised....IMPORTANT......Take a close look when a ball drops in the pocket...
it is stuck in the middle of the pocket/askew bottom/without touching any pocket walls,
and once the number is prounonced...it freelly drops inside/magnet off after numb.pron./
and that is a first hand fact.

FLAT IN  O

Well observed  !


Dr.Mabuse

Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on June 15, 2014, 11:20:07 AM
Hard disc with predetermined numbers that can't miss as each spin one of 37 numb.
is magnetised....IMPORTANT......Take a close look when a ball drops in the pocket...
it is stuck in the middle of the pocket/askew bottom/without touching any pocket walls,
and once the number is prounonced...it freelly drops inside/magnet off after numb.pron./
and that is a first hand fact.

Your the expert Flat, and i will be guided by you. This must be magnets in sectors? If the ball landed in 13, and the magnet was in 0, it wouldn't draw it round would it? 

There are enough legal advantages for the casino with airball, like no dealer wage, no pit boss, no dealer time delays sorting chips and payment, 80 spins per hour, 24/7, instead of 25 spins/hour on a busy night. More spins, more 2.7%


Some one here has an airball machine and said there were no magnets. So some don't?

Just trying to understand it

Are we talking about the Roulette Evolution game?

Ken

@Flat >> Are you sure the pocket is not in a V shape? Also, what about the hundreds of posts I read over the years.....they don't cheat because they don't have to, roulette has its built in house advantage. So now, this little fact means nothing?

Ken

Interesting information.

But nobody has actually answered the question yet! 

Online airball...how would you know?

Have a look at these Mr J.

http://www.supercasino.com/launch/flash/index.php?myGameCode=rep2&myFreePlay=PreviewMode&cu=GBP&la=en&myBrandCode=sc&myRandm=509452817&gameParams=dW5pcXVlSWQ9VDlKdE15OFp5YXB1R3dPWENhT0RRWHN5MnpmaE14bVdvaTUzcVhVUFp1cyZnYW1lQXV0aFVybD1odHRwOi8vd3d3LnN1cGVyY2FzaW5vLmNvbS9yZXNvdXJjZS9zZXJ2ZXIvZ2FtZWF1dGg=&mySubType=rep2_sc&myOver=empty&t=&connectNPS=no&demoWebChat=no


http://www.supercasino.com/launch/flash/index.php?myGameCode=re2&myFreePlay=PreviewMode&cu=GBP&la=en&myBrandCode=sc&myRandm=888097423&gameParams=dW5pcXVlSWQ9VDlKdE15OFp5YXB1R3dPWENhT0RRWHN5MnpmaE14bVdvaTUzcVhVUFp1cyZnYW1lQXV0aFVybD1odHRwOi8vd3d3LnN1cGVyY2FzaW5vLmNvbS9yZXNvdXJjZS9zZXJ2ZXIvZ2FtZWF1dGg=&mySubType=re2_ja_on_sc&myOver=True&t=&connectNPS=no&demoWebChat=no


As far as I can see, the ball does not hold up in the pocket without dropping down. But I have seen that happen before on a different model in some B+M casinos where the ball disappears down a hole before the next spin.

My personal opinion is these ones are legit.

cheers

Here is my OPINION after watching. I say, NO magnet BUT what I don't like......during "Table Closed" the camera shot changes.

Always a no no with LIVE on-line, too suspicious. Meaning, there is a record of course of EVERY number being hit with NOTHING in the picture that can change, like.....a hair style of the dealer etc. (small things)

With this, its ALL the same, I would not trust it. Lets say there is a ton of action on the table but very little on the #23, and the 23 hits via a pre-recorded 23 hitting. Just so I understand this....you can NOT stand there (not talking at home) and watch it spun, correct?

Ken

Ken,

You can click on the 'no zoom' button and then you don't get the screen popping out to give you a bigger picture of the wheel.

Quote from: Mr J on June 16, 2014, 12:00:34 AM
Just so I understand this....you can NOT stand there (not talking at home) and watch it spun, correct?

Ken

No! You can't do that.

An experiment I wanted to do but can't..... Also notice, during TABLE CLOSED, the pic size of the wheel get bigger (a close up) and it shifts from left to right. There is a REASON for that. What I wanted to do......use a pencil and write on my monitor, the wheel size (a circle).

When it gets blurred out during "table close", using my finger and the correct speed, follow the ZERO around (its the easiest number to track) and when the pic comes back, my finger should be PRETTY CLOSE (not perfect) on the zero but they are CLEVER......that's why the angle and SIZE of the wheel changes.

Ken

If online airball was bogus the more likely scenario would be an extensive video library of results, with sophisticated software editing programs that cut the video stream between actual spins and stored spins. You might see the cut stream switch as a tiny glitch or lag in the video you are watching and think little of it, as this happens all the time anyway. The result given could be any result the casino loaded into the video stream, and likely the one that gives them the best result. The stream might then cut back to an actual live spin while the ball is moving with high velocity around the ball track.

Like others have said, the casinos don't need to do this because they have an edge already, but every now and then they could water down your efforts by introducing a "facsimile" result or two in order to put out any brush fires, so to speak. Whenever they felt the need, big money bettors and big progression players could be squashed in very little time by using a library of facsimile results and sophisticated video editing software.

I suppose it's possible, and greed does strange things to people.

Thanks and well done, Green Guy, for actually answering the question!  (I'll bet you usually did well in exams.)

You make some interesting points and raised a couple of issues I hadn't thought about.

Thank you.

"an extensive video library of results, with sophisticated software editing programs that cut the video stream between actual spins and stored spins. You might see the cut stream switch as a tiny glitch or lag in the video you are watching and think little of it, as this happens all the time anyway. The result given could be any result the casino loaded into the video stream" >>> I just said that. The "tiny glitch" is when the wheel shifts from the upper left to the center (without zooming I might add). You can NOT follow the zero (or the ball) because of this shift. You don't know if you are viewing the same feed from 5 seconds earlier.

Ken