OK
Probably shouldn't post this, but, what the heck?
As some of you know, I run the Excel Bot by Stef and Nice using the L v F system invented by FLATman. I have run it thousand upon thousands of spins. I've sit and watched it for hours upon hours. One thing emerges.
The "Furthest" have a far higher hit rate that the "Lasts". It is quite rare to see four Ls in a row and very common to see four Fs in a row. Many Ls do not win the first time out and if they do, they "seem" to fail on the repeat try more than 50/50. The Fs, on the other hand, hit quite often on the first and second try. While looking at literally hundreds of Excel sheets, I can say the Fs definitely hit more than the Ls. I could post a hundred screen shots, but that would only prove I found a hundred screen shots which support my position.
NOW........................................
Have I done a million spin study on this? Nope! It's just one of those things you see, confirmation bias notwithstanding. Do I plan to play money on it? Yep! I do, and I will report.
What does this mean?? If it's true, and I believe it is, it would mean that older splits hit more frequently than newer splits.
This may only be on BVNZ, as that's the only place I play.
Sam
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: @ you Sam.
It takes courage to "dance in the rain naked" for everyone to see.
Kudos to you. Hope it goes well and you kick some casino Æ55 :cheer:
Thanks, Vic
It occurred to me that this could turn around in the next few thousand spins, but there is no reason for that to happen. This is a dynamic bet in that it changes constantly. If it were static, I would be more leery of it.
Sam
The furthest what? The last what? I don't understand.
FLAT's system bets the last nine splits to come. If they lose, it switches to the furthest nine splits that came.
The most back may be hitting more for longer time, but I doubt it is so "definite". You will see during your play how long it stays, and as long it does, you can benefit from that.
I will stand by my statement: The furthest definitely hit more than the last.
Frankly, I cannot see popping in and seeing the same thing time after time after time, day in and day out, and not using that word. I totally believe in anomalies, but how long can an anomaly last? Especially when the numbers are constantly changing?
We'll see. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 18, 2013, 06:27:35 AM
I will stand by my statement: The furthest definitely hit more than the last.
Frankly, I cannot see popping in and seeing the same thing time after time after time, day in and day out, and not using that word. I totally believe in anomalies, but how long can an anomaly last? Especially when the numbers are constantly changing?
We'll see. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it.
Sam
It can stay long, if you see anything like this, you will have use of it. I had once at BV number 11 hitting abnormal for a few days.
The fact I observe it make much winnings. It did not last forever, but long enough to make a nice win.
Observing the game is a key Sam!
Good luck Sam on the transition from fun test to real money play.
One thing this system should show up (during long interval) is whether BV employs 'system/method reading programs and therefore begins to alter the long term spins you receive.
(Sha -256 not withstanding)
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Aso on this.......are there not other trigger conditions for Last/Furthest that have to considered .....like each dozen must have a split in it and each column must have been hit to qualify as either Last or Furthest ?
QuoteObserving the game is a key Sam!
I like that phrase ...
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 18, 2013, 09:52:31 AM
No answer?
I am Ralph and has never been used any other name on any roulette forum.
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 18, 2013, 10:25:16 AM
Ok Ralph, thanks for that.
MBB!
孫子 or Sūnzǐ; as I spell it in letters,his book (The Art of War) was used during my military education. Do you apply this to the game?
Ralph
I respect you and your opinions.
Consider these two statements:
1. For no logical, physical, or mathematical reason, spun numbers regress toward the mean.
2. For no logical, physical, or mathematical reason, the furthest splits hit more than the last.
I started a thread calling #1 Gambler's Fallacy. I was thoroughly corrected. #2 is the same statement in different clothes. I am again thoroughly corrected. You can't have things two ways. If #1 can happen for no physical, logical, or mathematical reason, so can #2. I've made that argument over and over. Basically, you cannot select your Voodoo. Believe in one; believe in all!
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Chris
I am convinced BV is a fair RNG. I do not believe they send numbers to beat you for the following reason:
1. The splits bet by L v F are constantly changing from spin to spin. BV nor anyone else could ever program something to beat you.
2. You can ask for a new 60 number trot at any time.
3. You can change the sequence at any time.
4. I can't tell you the number of times I've been down to my last bet and had the trot turn and I'd win going away.
I've been playing with real Euro for some time now. I'm playing three systems which I report on and one that I don't. I would rate my overall performance as "fair". I'm still in the game. Thanks for the "good luck" wish.
There are no triggers for this system except who is furthest and who is last.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 18, 2013, 12:17:08 PM
Ralph
I respect you and your opinions.
Consider these two statements:
1. For no logical, physical, or mathematical reason, spun numbers regress toward the mean.
2. For no logical, physical, or mathematical reason, the furthest splits hit more than the last.
I started a thread calling #1 Gambler's Fallacy. I was thoroughly corrected. #2 is the same statement in different clothes. I am again thoroughly corrected. You can't have things two ways. If #1 can happen for no physical, logical, or mathematical reason, so can #2. I've made that argument over and over. Basically, you cannot select your Voodoo. Believe in one; believe in all!
______________________________________________________________________________________________
Chris
I am convinced BV is a fair RNG. I do not believe they send numbers to beat you for the following reason:
1. The splits bet by L v F are constantly changing from spin to spin. BV nor anyone else could ever program something to beat you.
2. You can ask for a new 60 number trot at any time.
3. You can change the sequence at any time.
4. I can't tell you the number of times I've been down to my last bet and had the trot turn and I'd win going away.
I've been playing with real Euro for some time now. I'm playing three systems which I report on and one that I don't. I would rate my overall performance as "fair". I'm still in the game. Thanks for the "good luck" wish.
There are no triggers for this system except who is furthest and who is last.
Sam
Sam!
I agree, but still you can use your observations, the only thing we get, it can last or it can stop any time. The mean exist, but far away, so far it is only the casinos which can count with it, get there rake from many players over long time to an estimated rate.
The best way a casino can maximise theire profit, is to be honest. If we never win or win less than expected all the time, we will stop playing. Casinos earn from the turn over, which will stay low if we think they cheat. Even big winners are good for them, other see it and that does matter for the game business there are winners. The casino gain the same or more if there are winners, if all lose by 2.7% few will play. Most lose more, some wins, the casinos have a rather fixed part.
@ Sam.
Thanx for the reply Sam.
Have you had any thoughts about Why the Furthest seem to hit more frequent than the Last?
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Im wondering whether (at BV i mean for now), its due in part to the absolute frequency of BV repeater numbers
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Whenever anyone plays repeat systems at BV, u notice straight away the timing of the repeats.
In Albahala's repeater system (FMoDR), he certainly had taken full notice of the nature of the repeats at BV, and I wonder whether we could do the same analysis. (His 'HG' also plays a similar game)
It would need a program to run along side the L V F game, and at the same time play a virtual game/system of a repeater function.
Be that just follow the repeaters, or FMoDR, or any other repeater system.
This way, we could flag up when a Furthest hits and whether a repeater number was the cause of that Win.
Of course, a split has two numbers to hit, so it won't be too easy to ID the exact success of a repeater number within a split for some time.
Just emptying my brain.
cheers
Chris
I'm only concerned with the splits, not numbers. Why does it happen? I've come to the conclusion that is the wrong question to be asking. It does happen and we'll never know why. Just like red will "try" to even out with black.
I could ask Nick to program the Excel sheet to do exactly as I want and I may later on. I want to hand test it a few hundred spins and see what shakes out.
As I said, I could post screen shots but they're meaningless.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 18, 2013, 09:33:12 PM
Why does it happen?
Due to the Chaotic nature of the game:
http://betselection.cc/gambling-philosophy/is-the-trend-really-your-friend/msg10979/#msg10979 (http://betselection.cc/gambling-philosophy/is-the-trend-really-your-friend/msg10979/#msg10979)
...within your studied sample :)
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 17, 2013, 10:00:29 PM
OK
Probably shouldn't post this, but, what the heck?
As some of you know, I run the Excel Bot by Stef and Nice using the L v F system invented by FLATman. I have run it thousand upon thousands of spins. I've sit and watched it for hours upon hours. One thing emerges.
The "Furthest" have a far higher hit rate that the "Lasts". It is quite rare to see four Ls in a row and very common to see four Fs in a row. Many Ls do not win the first time out and if they do, they "seem" to fail on the repeat try more than 50/50. The Fs, on the other hand, hit quite often on the first and second try. While looking at literally hundreds of Excel sheets, I can say the Fs definitely hit more than the Ls. I could post a hundred screen shots, but that would only prove I found a hundred screen shots which support my position.
NOW........................................
Have I done a million spin study on this? Nope! It's just one of those things you see, confirmation bias notwithstanding. Do I plan to play money on it? Yep! I do, and I will report.
What does this mean?? If it's true, and I believe it is, it would mean that older splits hit more frequently than newer splits.
This may only be on BVNZ, as that's the only place I play.
Sam
yes,as long as it does so/regardless of lasts or furthests/in cycle betting of 9 spinsit comes as a great advantage.....over the weekend we are attacking Malta with this bet,table switching.
Quote from: Chrisbis on March 18, 2013, 08:28:18 AM
Good luck Sam on the transition from fun test to real money play.
One thing this system should show up (during long interval) is whether BV employs 'system/method reading programs and therefore begins to alter the long term spins you receive.
(Sha -256 not withstanding)
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Aso on this.......are there not other trigger conditions for Last/Furthest that have to considered .....like each dozen must have a split in it and each column must have been hit to qualify as either Last or Furthest ?
that is a different bet Crisby boy,nothing to do with LvF 9 splits.....RvR
Sam and others,
I have registered more then 300 Wiesbaden sessions,played live in Wien,Wiesbaden,my local
casino and on almost daily basis few hours Airball morning sessions.
In other words,have results from several casinos which amounts with more then 130000
spins,nicely sorted as last and furthest........the difference is 37 spins in favour of furthests.
Curiosity;one session had 28 furthest in the row....circling around, lasts becoming furthests.
I play this my way/most here are against such play,I know/and Sam is addopting safer way,
everyone to his own/way and pocket/...Sometime mid of the next week you will get the true
lose/win,reports from Malta trip.
@ Flat-In-O
I know now...............I just found your excel sheets with the example shown.
[reveal]http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11283.msg99224#msg99224[/reveal]
I'm still non the wiser for a concise, clear explanation as to how this bet system really works. :stress:
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I'd love it if someone could post up a line by line (id1ot proof) explanation of how to run this baby.
In bullet point style too!
[revealB]too much to ask I guess![/revealB]
In the beginning you find nine splits that have hit once each. A double hit is not counted. The first split is the 1/4 the second is the 2/5 the third is the 3/6........those are splits 1,2 and 3 respectively.
The fourth split is 7/10. You do that until the board is complete. I can send a copy of my "Redneck Tracker" but it is long and must be in two shots.
There are 18 splits.
Here is an example of 9 newest:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9..........That would be in perfect order.
Now a repeater:
1
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
That is all for now.
Sam
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9........after 9 splits appears/some will be repeaters/start bet on it......hit-continue same,miss-start betting
on furthers 9 splits.........split 1 goes to furtherst,split that just hit as a furthest goes to last 9 splits.
In other words,last spin always goes to last 9 splits,so for instance when betting furthest 9 splits
and you get a repeater it is a los as previous split went to last 9 splits.Simple.
just seen that 2CS is doing it waiting for 9 unique splits at the start....me doing it differently,
as can't recall me saying that when introducing this bet....but as said each to his own.
FLAT IN O
You got a PM. re 9th spin .
N.D.
Great thread!
Flatino could you please provide a link to the 9 split system you are using?
How many different casinos do you visit per year and how many sessions do you think you play per year?
Are the tables busy on Malta Flat?
@ The Gentlemen in the Winter of his Most interesting life!
Quote from: F Lat-In-O
In other words,last spin always goes to last 9 splits,so for instance when betting furthest 9 splits
and you get a repeater it is a loss as previous split went to last 9 splits. Simple.
That's easy for you to say! :broken:
Chris
Here's the tracker. Put in numbers and see what it does.
Sam
Thanx Sam........ 8)
Edit.
Just tried a game (Fun Money)
tell me what I do on the next bet please ?
Number 18 is a loss.
[revealB] I can't get the spread sheet to work on this PC[/revealB]
9 goes to last 9 splits.....7/furter in last 9 splits/ goes to further 9 splits.....and now you bet furter 9 splits
Quote from: FLAT_IN_O
9 goes to last 9 splits.....7/furter in last 9 splits/ goes to further 9 splits.....and now you bet furter 9 splits
Im sorry Ivica, but in my head that does not make logical sense at all....... :whistle:
Quote from: Chrisbis on March 19, 2013, 10:43:29 PM
Im sorry Ivica, but in my head that does not make logical sense at all....... :whistle:
how come????18/9 hit as furthest,which now goes to last 9 hits,while 16/7 as a furthest in last9 goes to the furthest 9 splits.....capito.......very logical...the 2 CS tracker will show you all.
Chris
After a loss on the furthest 9, then I think you switch to the last 9 (or most recent)
After a loss of the most recent 9, you switch to the furthest 9 again
Etc
Right, Bwiz
And remember, a win on the Last does not change the Last, only the hit order. A hit on the Furthest always results in a change as the one that hit becomes the newest of the Last and the oldest of the last becomes the newest of the Furthest.
Think on it and you'll see. Play with the software/tracker and you'll see even quicker.
Sam