Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 15, 2012, 04:14:18 AM
Spike,
         You talk a bit bitter but most of the times you speak of sense. Are you sure that airball roulette is always rigged?

Its not rigged anymore than the slots are rigged. That is, to pay
off at a certain percentage for the casino. Which means you can't
get ahead and stay ahead on it.

U mean to say, it can see our bets and produce the adverse.

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 15, 2012, 04:22:44 AM
U mean to say, it can see our bets and produce the adverse.

Not at all. Its programmed to keep a certain percentage of
the money, just like a slot does. It works just like a slot
does. You can win but in the end it will keep about 7% of
your money.

How can it decide "in the end"? How will it know I am going to quit now? Do you mean to say that it averages out winnings for all the players?

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 15, 2012, 05:35:59 AM
How can it decide "in the end"? How will it know I am going to quit now? Do you mean to say that it averages out winnings for all the players?

All it has to do is hit a zero at different times so it averages
out to the machine keeping the house percentage. Not too
complicated. Nowhere does it say its the same as regular
roulette, you won't get the casino or the manufacturer to
talk about it. Again, to review: If you have to fill out an IRS form
on anything over a $1200 win, its classified as a slot machine
and works like one.

But you could say that a regular roulette table is "programmed" to take 2.7% of your money, what's the difference? It may be easier to rig an electronic game like slots, but it doesn't need to be rigged in order to have a negative expectation because the HA is determined by the payouts, just like roulette.

Quote from: Bayes on December 15, 2012, 09:39:34 AM
But you could say that a regular roulette table is "programmed" to take 2.7% of your money, what's the difference? It may be easier to rig an electronic game like slots, but it doesn't need to be rigged in order to have a negative expectation

Ever notice airball roulette has much different rules than
regular roulette? The minimum amount to bet is always
very low, sometimes as low as 50 cents or a dollar. And
you can bet that minimum anywhere on the board, on
the inside or the outside. You can't do that in regular roulette,
you can't bet 50 cents on red and cover half the numbers.
They have a $5 minimum, you can bet 50 cents on the inside
numbers for a total of $5, or bet $5 on the outside, like red
and black.

Because airball is set up like a slot, it takes a pre-set percentage
of whatever is bet as a profit. No waiting for the house edge
to manifest itself like in regular roulette. No weeks or months when
roulette is in a slump and not making money because of lucky
big customer wins. Airball is money in the bank, just like a slot. The
slots never suffer from variance, they only suffer when people aren't
feeding them.

I have more then 80000 spins of my real play on almost every day basis saved in my computer.
Alfastreet.It is controled by compact HD and the numbers coming out are predtermined,but never.
against player/s.....Next time you play have a close look when the ball lands in the pocket.
The bottom of the pocket is askew,and by the law of physics it should land on the askew part of pocket,
but it doesn't until the voice pronounces number hit,then it slowly goes back in the machine.
The magnet keeps it in the middle of the pocket.
Hopping day will come when they reload the same compact HD that was already used.
Remember about 15 years back when video cassetes were in those machines and how I
won on greyhounds on repeated cassete.

Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on December 15, 2012, 07:49:09 PM
.Next time you play have a close look when the ball lands in the pocket.
The bottom of the pocket is askew,and by the law of physics it should land on the askew part of pocket,
but it doesn't

Others have noticed this and reported it on other
forums. The ball sometimes sits towards the front of the
pocket and doesn't go to the back of the pocket until
later. Like a magnet or something (air?) is holding it
there.

if it can be done on airball can it be done on the live spin wheel with the person spinning the wheel?

I am playing airball just now and this thread concerns me a bit...

Quote from: subby on December 15, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
if it can be done on airball can it be done on the live spin wheel with the person spinning the wheel?

Precision spinning by a real dealer is an urban legend.
People always know dealers who say they can do it,
or know somebody who knows somebody who can do
it. But its never been demonstrated or proven. This
would be the most dangerous person in the casino. He
could employ his friends and relatives to make the bets
and they would clean up. Its an urban legend, its not
possible.

Don't worry about the airball if you don't have a method
that wins more than 50% of the time. what's the difference,
losing there or on a real wheel. Losing is losing.

Quote from: subby on December 15, 2012, 08:33:28 PM
if it can be done on airball can it be done on the live spin wheel with the person spinning the wheel?

I am playing airball just now and this thread concerns me a bit...

Subby how many games of PB have you played on Airball. And what is the breakdown. I've never fully trusted airball myself. But its better than an RNG. And the results have no real difference for me compared to live wheels.

The thing that tells me if something isn't right is my strikerate. And you have to consider this. If they could make these things cheat. Who will they cheat against? The guy laying 50 quid on a straight. Or the guy laying 5 quid on an even chance. This makes the argument for H.A.R for me, get in there and play the games and come out.

90%+ of speramus spins are airball table on paddypower. I play it as I need the 50p option for insurance. Sports roulette isn't on early in the morning when I play so I use airball at that time. Sports table is the only other table with 50p bets allowed. The other tables are £1 minimum

Quote from: subby on December 16, 2012, 12:15:41 AM
90%+ of speramus spins are airball table on paddypower. I play it as I need the 50p option for insurance. Sports roulette isn't on early in the morning when I play so I use airball at that time. Sports table is the only other table with 50p bets allowed. The other tables are £1 minimum

Mmmm that's interesting Subby. Your strikerate has been pretty good. But could it be better if more live games were played? I am ONLY playing the sports table at the moment. And I have won 16 straight games on there playing just HIGH LOW.

I've moved to playing sports roulette when I can, instead of airball, as of 15th Dec.