Has Steve actually banned you from the cc forum John? I see the challenge thread has been locked...
That's a bit stuff if true :thumbsdown:
Surely we can have our own opinions without someone going off on one.
it's true
Quote from: Bayes on November 14, 2012, 01:35:51 PM
Has Steve actually banned you from the cc forum John? I see the challenge thread has been locked...
Bayes yes. I stepped on his ego. Told him something he didn't want to hear. And he suddenly saw me as a threat to the scam you know he runs. Selling ridiculously expensive computers and books that don't work.
You must know he is not a good man Bayes. Only interested in profit. Regardless if Superman is still up for it I will continue. that's if he still wants his 5 grand plus share of next year. If not I will open my own account. I have the measure of BV now. I want to talk to him does he have my email addy??
Quote from: subby on November 14, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
That's a bit stuff if true :thumbsdown:
Surely we can have our own opinions without someone going off on one.
there's more to it than you realize Subby. I can fill you in by email. I was leaving that forum anyhow. Its gone the way of VLS. It all started as you know two weeks ago when Pilot came on with his amazing claim for PATTERN BREAKER. Steve immediately saw a threat and jumped in to basically dismiss the legitimacy of it.
The last thing he wants is a free method on the forum that actually works. Pilots endorsement was the fuse lit. Me being a person who doesn't hide my passion for my methods which I absolutely know work. I defended Pilot and made it clear I am going to play his way on the BV challenge and turn 200 euros into at least 10,000 by the end of 2013. And have Superman verify it on the forum.
That REALLY was the red flag to the bull. PROOF that a free method works. What would that mean for him and his Computer scam?? Think that over. So of course the only way he can make sure that doesn't happen is get me out of there NOW. Hey presto here we are.
John,
If Steve is so sure your systems don't work, where is the threat?
Not that I'm saying they do work, mind you, just that I think it's more of a personal thing rather than you being any threat to his business, is all I'm saying. Funny how only now, after years of you being on the forum, he "realizes" that your IP is the same as CEH. ::)
I've never trusted Steve, and don't believe his systems work, there are just too many things that don't add up. A few months ago I tackled him about one of the claims on his FAQ, as a result of which he amended it. One thing's for sure: I'm never going to shell out the $2,500 to find out if his system works, and as for the roulette computers, I'm just not interested.
This is going to be my roulette forum of choice from now on; looks like a good crew of mods here who'll run a tight ship. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bayes on November 14, 2012, 03:29:33 PM
John,
If Steve is so sure your systems don't work, where is the threat?
Not that I'm saying they do work, mind you, just that I think it's more of a personal thing rather than you being any threat to his business, is all I'm saying. Funny how only now, after years of you being on the forum, he "realizes" that your IP is the same as CEH. ::)
I've never trusted Steve, and don't believe his systems work, there are just too many things that don't add up. A few months ago I tackled him about one of the claims on his FAQ, as a result of which he amended it. One thing's for sure: I'm never going to shell out the $2,500 to find out if his system works, and as for the roulette computers, I'm just not interested.
This is going to be my roulette forum of choice from now on; looks like a good crew of mods here who'll run a tight ship. :thumbsup:
Bayes, I was never CEH. I was fender to start with for about 6 months on VLS. You are a good balanced guy Bayes. I didn't always see that. And Id like to throw some coin your way for all the hard work you put in getting this whole challenge
Started. All the more reason for us to continue with the challenge. We can always verify it on here. And I will cut you in 20% of my share. Which will be no chump change by the close of 2013. Yes I like it here. And I just pray Victor is not going to sell this to you know who. I would rather buy it with a few other members if he is up for that. There has to be one quality forum on the net Please Victor. :nope:
Quote from: JohnLegend on November 14, 2012, 03:12:40 PM
there's more to it than you realize Subby. I can fill you in by email. I was leaving that forum anyhow. Its gone the way of VLS. It all started as you know two weeks ago when Pilot came on with his amazing claim for PATTERN BREAKER. Steve immediately saw a threat and jumped in to basically dismiss the legitimacy of it.
The last thing he wants is a free method on the forum that actually works. Pilots endorsement was the fuse lit. Me being a person who doesn't hide my passion for my methods which I absolutely know work. I defended Pilot and made it clear I am going to play his way on the BV challenge and turn 200 euros into at least 10,000 by the end of 2013. And have Superman verify it on the forum.
That REALLY was the red flag to the bull. PROOF that a free method works. What would that mean for him and his Computer scam?? Think that over. So of course the only way he can make sure that doesn't happen is get me out of there NOW. Hey presto here we are.
Ridiculous behaviour from him if you ask me. Hope this site doesn't go down that route and anyone who stirs is put off this site pronto. This place has a nicer feeling than Steve's forum imo. Onwards and upwards though JL...you know it and so do I that PB will work
John, I know you were never CEH. :)
I've had enough of Steve's stuff, and that aggressive banner ad is the last straw. When he replies to the PATTERN BREAKER thread I'll ask him to delete me from the forum. At least it's nice to see that quite a few members have supported you.
And thanks for the offer of putting some of the proceeds my way, but maybe it would be better to donate some to Vic for the upkeep of this forum? as you say, we want at least one forum which isn't owned by Steve. I don't blame Victor for selling out in the past, he has to make a living, but let's try to keep this forum for US.
Quote from: subby on November 14, 2012, 03:46:49 PM
Ridiculous behaviour from him if you ask me. Hope this site doesn't go down that route and anyone who stirs is put off this site pronto. This place has a nicer feeling than Steve's forum imo. Onwards and upwards though JL...you know it and so do I that PB will work
Absolutely. I have to tell you Subby. Pilot was doing something right. I am playing all three even chances on BV. And Im 34/1 after 105 games. :cheer:
Quote from: Bayes on November 14, 2012, 03:48:33 PM
John, I know you were never CEH. :)
I've had enough of Steve's stuff, and that aggressive banner ad is the last straw. When he replies to the PATTERN BREAKER thread I'll ask him to delete me from the forum. At least it's nice to see that quite a few members have supported you.
And thanks for the offer of putting some of the proceeds my way, but maybe it would be better to donate some to Vic for the upkeep of this forum? as you say, we want at least one forum which isn't owned by Steve. I don't blame Victor for selling out in the past, he has to make a living, but let's try to keep this forum for US.
I couldnt say it any better Bayes. We have to keep this one for us. If its about money we can sort that out. wouldn't it be a bit special Bayes if the money keeping this site running was actually coming from one of the methods on it?? Thars my intention. :thumbsup:
All
I feel inclined to agree that Jl was a threat to Steve. I also think flukey luke was. That guy was nothing but nice and offered a system he said worked. I'm still not sure it doesn't.
Anyway Steve has taken his proverbial ball and left the field. Nolo problemo! We have a field here.
Carry on, John! I've even come to enjoy your bolviating.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 14, 2012, 03:56:43 PM
All
I feel inclined to agree that Jl was a threat to Steve. I also think flukey luke was. That guy was nothing but nice and offered a system he said worked. I'm still not sure it doesn't.
Anyway Steve has taken his proverbial ball and left the field. Nolo problemo! We have a field here.
Carry on, John! I've even come to enjoy your bolviating.
Sam
Lol, Sam I love how you phrase things. If I succeed which I will Sam I am definately a threat. Its like Jack Nicholson in One flew over the Cookoos nest. Everything is fine as long as you take your medication and don't step out of line. A forum is no good if its run in a facist manner.
What happened to Flukey Sam? fill me in please.
Well Im glad we jumped Ship so to speak and its great to see the 'Usual Suspects' all comin over too :applause:
I don't know about Vic and his plans to sell but Im sure if it came to it we cud all club together and come to some arrangement
Further there are things goin on that will generate an income for Vic so at this time it all looks good :thumbsup:
Here is to the future, friends :beer:
Quote from: Twisteruk on November 14, 2012, 04:08:37 PM
Well Im glad we jumped Ship so to speak and its great to see the 'Usual Suspects' all comin over too :applause:
I don't know about Vic and his plans to sell but Im sure if it came to it we cud all club together and come to some arrangement
Further there are things goin on that will generate an income for Vic so at this time it all looks good :thumbsup:
Here is to the future, friends :beer:
Yes Twister your timing was spot on with the exodus lol!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 14, 2012, 03:56:43 PM
I feel inclined to agree that Jl was a threat to Steve. I also think flukey luke was. That guy was nothing but nice and offered a system he said worked.
Well I registered here a few weeks ago and I will say straight out that I was flukey luke on that particular forum. (I am saying that because I would rather be upfront and let people know who I am.)
I think I was pretty harshly treated by Steve calling me a troll. I don't consider myself a troll and spent a lot of time posting what I thought were some original concepts. I don't even use bots and still contributed to get my system botted just so it would make it easier for the other guys.
Now I will also admit that I did say some particularly nasty words on another forum as a general swipe at other members on another forum previous to that. But that was around 6 months before I posted system 9 and I was having a lot of personal problems at the time. That is still no excuse for what I said and I can only say sorry for that.
I am no saint, I admit that. But I do have my good points and do have a passion for the game very much along the same lines as someone like JL.
Regarding System 9. I still use a variant of it to this day and I remember my very last post was me saying to the members that I was going to show them a easier way to play my system which also improved it significantly. I then found out I was banned. Now I am not sure if that was what got me banned or an incident which happened a few months earlier.
Victor set up that other forum for a while and I remember Steve going mental about it. I stuck up for Victor and basically said what I thought of Steve. Maybe the guy was just acting petty and getting his revenge.
I would like to continue posting here but will also understand if some of you would rather I didn't.
Mate -- keep posting. You are COMPLETELY welcome here. [Esoito, Moderator]
p.s. JL, I can't say I have studied your methods at great length because I play my own stuff and I have also disagreed with you at times however my respect goes to you because you put your stuff out there and are a positive minded person. Kudos to you. By the way, I think we all know you have nothing to do with CEH. The term 'clutching at straws' springs to mind.
I'm in with you guys!
It's nice to be a new member here and great to see John is here too!
Atlantis.
Quote from: bally6354 on November 14, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
Well I registered here a few weeks ago and I will say straight out that I was flukey luke on that particular forum. (I am saying that because I would rather be upfront and let people know who I am.)
I think I was pretty harshly treated by Steve calling me a troll. I don't consider myself a troll and spent a lot of time posting what I thought were some original concepts. I don't even use bots and still contributed to get my system botted just so it would make it easier for the other guys.
Now I will also admit that I did say some particularly nasty words on another forum as a general swipe at other members on another forum previous to that. But that was around 6 months before I posted system 9 and I was having a lot of personal problems at the time. That is still no excuse for what I said and I can only say sorry for that.
I am no saint, I admit that. But I do have my good points and do have a passion for the game very much along the same lines as someone like JL.
Regarding System 9. I still use a variant of it to this day and I remember my very last post was me saying to the members that I was going to show them a easier way to play my system which also improved it significantly. I then found out I was banned. Now I am not sure if that was what got me banned or an incident which happened a few months earlier.
Victor set up that other forum for a while and I remember Steve going mental about it. I stuck up for Victor and basically said what I thought of Steve. Maybe the guy was just acting petty and getting his revenge.
I would like to continue posting here but will also understand if some of you would rather I didn't.
p.s. JL, I can't say I have studied your methods at great length because I play my own stuff and I have also disagreed with you at times however my respect goes to you because you put your stuff out there and are a positive minded person. Kudos to you. By the way, I think we all know you have nothing to do with CEH. The term 'clutching at straws' springs to mind.
Welcome friend. Nothing wrong with passion. The world would have never have been without it.
Everyone welcome Bally6354 a.k.a Flukey. Its great to have you onboard mate. This is getting better by the minute. We just need Atlantis and a few others and the scene is set. :thumbsup:
Quote from: atlantis on November 14, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
I'm in with you guys!
It's nice to be a new member here and great to see John is here too!
Atlantis.
OMGOSH Atlantis welcome!! I was just saying it would be nice to get you in here too. Twister remember. You me and Atlantis are the ORIGINAL MATRIX BOYS :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
Hi Guys.
Great link Twister......AND a big HELLO to you JL.
Nice to be here in such homely surroundings.
Cheers.
Dino.
Quote from: Twisteruk on November 14, 2012, 04:08:37 PM
Well Im glad we jumped Ship so to speak and its great to see the 'Usual Suspects' all comin over too :applause:
I don't know about Vic and his plans to sell but Im sure if it came to it we cud all club together and come to some arrangement
Further there are things goin on that will generate an income for Vic so at this time it all looks good :thumbsup:
Here is to the future, friends :beer:
Talking of which, if we do want to make a donation to this site at any given time, is there a link to do it?
Cheers
Quote from: dino246 on November 14, 2012, 04:35:26 PM
Hi Guys.
Great link Twister......AND a big HELLO to you JL.
Nice to be here in such homely surroundings.
Cheers.
Dino.
Thanks Dino246. Wow this is like the class of 2011 reunion. Tears are beinning to well up in me eyes.
Who is/was CEH?
Trebor
@ bally, I don't have a problem mate, nice to see a productive poster like yourself on board.
And nice to see you Atlantis. Maybe we can get George (GLC) on board too; think I'll send him a pm. Let's poach all the best contributors from cc. ^-^
BTW, I've just let Superman know what's going on here, so hopefully he'll be along shortly. :applause:
Quote from: Bayes on November 14, 2012, 04:42:34 PM
@ bally, I don't have a problem mate, nice to see a productive poster like yourself on board.
And nice to see you Atlantis. Maybe we can get George (GLC) on board too; think I'll send him a pm. Let's poach all the best contributors from cc. ^-^
BTW, I've just let Superman know what's going on here, so hopefully he'll be along shortly. :applause:
Pm them all Bayes, this is fantastic. Im getting emotional here. :'(
Quote from: Trebor on November 14, 2012, 04:41:26 PM
Who is/was CEH?
Trebor
Charles Hampshire (if that was his real name). He had a long-running scam going a few years ago. I don't know all the details, to be honest I found it a bit of a bore.
Quote from: JohnLegend on November 14, 2012, 04:45:10 PM
Pm them all Bayes, this is fantastic. Im getting emmotional here. :'(
:))
Well it is great that we can all join forces and move forward. I am certainly looking forward to contributing here.
cheers.
I always follow the money john....hahaha.
Truth though,you added meat to the bone in that forum.
It,s funny as i only revisited the Divide and conquer thread to read again what xxvv had to say and he agreed with all your theories on Hit-Run-Win etc.
That was only this morning then all this happens to you.
Quote from: bally6354 on November 14, 2012, 04:49:11 PM
Well it is great that we can all join forces and move forward. I am certainly looking forward to contributing here.
cheers.
Bally ditto. I think sometthing special just happened in the last hour or so. And it's a while since I have been this moved. :thumbsup:
QuoteBTW, I've just let Superman know what's going on here, so hopefully he'll be along shortly.
woooooosh, here I am
Quote from: Superman on November 14, 2012, 04:53:45 PM
woooooosh, here I am
Hey Superman welcome. Well I guess you know what happened to me and what a certain person did to the challenge thread? :thumbsup:
Like him or loathe him - JL helped Steve's forum a lot with methods that got people debating and interested.
I honestly think Steve has shot himself in the foot with banning you mate. I for one will be staying out here in VLS's forum and unless I'm REALLY Bored I'll not be back on Steve's forum.
Nice to have positive people on here and little ,if any, sniping at people.
I'm 100% hoping, but fairly sure, that the mods on here will dispense with those that seek to ruin a nice burgeoning community :P
[You can bet the house on it! Esoito, Moderator.]
Quote from: subby on November 14, 2012, 04:59:38 PM
Like him or loathe him - JL helped Steve's forum a lot with methods that got people debating and interested.
I honestly think Steve has shot himself in the foot with banning you mate. I for one will be staying out here in VLS's forum and unless I'm REALLY Bored I'll not be back on Steve's forum.
Nice to have positive people on here and little ,if any, sniping at people.
I'm 100% hoping, but fairly sure, that the mods on here will dispense with those that seek to ruin a nice burgeoning community :P
there's nothing wrong with questioning things Subby. But what happened since Pilot landed and made his incredible claim just sunk that ship for me. And everything was fine and well UNTIL I made my intentions clear. But im happy today. :cheer:
Quote from: subby on November 14, 2012, 04:59:38 PM
Like him or loathe him - JL helped Steve's forum a lot with methods that got people debating and interested.
I honestly think Steve has shot himself in the foot with banning you mate.
Subby, that's what I think. Steve has been very short-sighted in banning JL. Getting rid of one of the most popular members was just plain unintelligent.
Hello dear friends, just wanted to say there are no plans for selling.
The prospect of a steady monthly help to my family definitely outgrows it by far and has wifey's blessing for the long run.
I'm aiming to make my life entirely online by the end of 2013, so it is important for me and my family to keep this a top-notch place :thumbsup:
Quote from: monaco on November 14, 2012, 04:36:55 PM
Talking of which, if we do want to make a donation to this site at any given time, is there a link to do it?
I'm in the process of adding a direct support button to the forum's footer. Thanks for having the motion to support!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 14, 2012, 03:56:43 PM
...I also think flukey luke was. That guy was nothing but nice and offered a system he said worked. I'm still not sure it doesn't...
From statistics i got of the S9 bot this system is on +in overall Euro balance.
...just not sure how would it look like if it was converted on to Units.
But someone won more than 1500 euro with it :applause: GZ.
Quote from: VLS on November 14, 2012, 05:26:19 PM
Hello dear friends, just wanted to say there are no plans for selling.
The prospect of a steady monthly help to my family definitely outgrows it and has wifey's blessing for the long run.
I'm aiming to make my life entirely online by the end of 2013, so it is important for me and my family to keep this a top-notch place
Victor that is wonderful. And I will support you all the way. By the end of 2013. that's my timeline for something special.
If its money. You got it. We got a great response today. You obviously know what happened to me. But I am a passionate person. With a mix of irish/indian and spanish blood. What else could I be. :thumbsup:
Thanks john.
See, as I work for the local industry in projects that are both dull and nonproductive for anyone other than the person who hires, I thought it would be better for me make my living helping others at large.
Quote from: VLS on November 14, 2012, 05:26:19 PM
Hello dear friends, just wanted to say there are no plans for selling.
The prospect of a steady monthly help to my family definitely outgrows it by far and has wifey's blessing for the long run.
I'm aiming to make my life entirely online by the end of 2013, so it is important for me and my family to keep this a top-notch place :thumbsup:
That's great to hear, Vic!
Quote from: Bayes on November 14, 2012, 05:33:58 PM
That's great to hear, Vic!
Indeed, and with the full of wifey's blessing!!
I'm thrilled to make my plans of making my life helping others a reality. I'm already scheduled to spend the first 6 months of 2013 making a new programming language for hobbyists and I'm more than happy to be the maintainer of our community here.
This is very good for me too: I love both roulette and programming, for a lifetime.
Quote from: VLS on November 14, 2012, 05:33:29 PM
Thanks john.
See, as I work for the local industry in projects that are both dull and nonproductive for anyone other than the person who hires, I thought it would be better for me make my living helping others at large.
Yes well youve put together a beautiful sight/site here. Pleasing to the eye aswell as the mind. And we want to keep it that way. When Twister first told me about this forum. I thought here we go again. But as soon as I got here I felt at home.
Thanks Twister for sharing. :glasses: :glasses:
QuoteHey Superman welcome. Well I guess you know what happened to me and what a certain person did to the challenge thread?
Yes mate, as you know from the PM reply I sent you, I have asked Steve to unlock the JL BV Challenge thread, I also told him the deadlines I set and you agreed to IF he doesn't bother to reply or do as asked I will start a thread here to continue the challenge for those interested. I'll give him a few days.
QuoteI was never CEH
I know this, you are nothing like him, unless you have a split personality that is.
As we older members know Vic has sold out twice now, in my time anyway, built up a forum for roulette highly active and plenty of members then bam sold to Steve, I have read that Vic isn't planning on doing the same again in this thread, so maybe this is 3rd time lucky, I hope so anyway.
Quote from: JohnLegend on November 14, 2012, 04:10:41 PM
Yes Twister your timing was spot on with the exodus lol!
I've PM'd loads of ppl incase I get a Ban for puttin the Link up
Everyone get your PM's in while you can, just incase :thumbsup:
Quote from: dino246 on November 14, 2012, 04:35:26 PM
Hi Guys.
Great link Twister......AND a big HELLO to you JL.
Nice to be here in such homely surroundings.
Cheers.
Dino.
Im glad you saw it 8)
Quote from: bally6354 on November 14, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
Well I registered here a few weeks ago and I will say straight out that I was flukey luke on that particular forum. (I am saying that because I would rather be upfront and let people know who I am.)
I think I was pretty harshly treated by Steve calling me a troll. I don't consider myself a troll and spent a lot of time posting what I thought were some original concepts. I don't even use bots and still contributed to get my system botted just so it would make it easier for the other guys.
Now I will also admit that I did say some particularly nasty words on another forum as a general swipe at other members on another forum previous to that. But that was around 6 months before I posted system 9 and I was having a lot of personal problems at the time. That is still no excuse for what I said and I can only say sorry for that.
I am no saint, I admit that. But I do have my good points and do have a passion for the game very much along the same lines as someone like JL.
Regarding System 9. I still use a variant of it to this day and I remember my very last post was me saying to the members that I was going to show them a easier way to play my system which also improved it significantly. I then found out I was banned. Now I am not sure if that was what got me banned or an incident which happened a few months earlier.
Victor set up that other forum for a while and I remember Steve going mental about it. I stuck up for Victor and basically said what I thought of Steve. Maybe the guy was just acting petty and getting his revenge.
I would like to continue posting here but will also understand if some of you would rather I didn't.
p.s. JL, I can't say I have studied your methods at great length because I play my own stuff and I have also disagreed with you at times however my respect goes to you because you put your stuff out there and are a positive minded person. Kudos to you. By the way, I think we all know you have nothing to do with CEH. The term 'clutching at straws' springs to mind.
Appreciate your honesty. To me your always be Sherminator lol ;)
Quote from: Superman on November 14, 2012, 04:53:45 PM
woooooosh, here I am
FAB !
I've always thought name your shud start with a CAP ! ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on November 14, 2012, 06:37:50 PM
Appreciate your honesty. To me your always be Sherminator lol ;)
I think my 9 lives must be just about up ;)
This place is like a class reunion tonight. It is good to see so many old faces and a lot of really good contributors joining up.
The casino executives are cancelling this years christmas bash as we speak. >:D
Quote from: Twisteruk on November 14, 2012, 06:35:48 PM
I've PM'd loads of ppl incase I get a Ban for puttin the Link up
Everyone get your PM's in while you can, just incase :thumbsup:
Lol. Twister you are too nice to get banned. But yes we want all the good ones. Certain others you know who I am talking about can stay overthere lol. 8 ON 1 510/0 :cheer:
I saw the post over at rouletteforum.cc and had to reply to speed, why can't we have different views and sometimes just agree to disagree, I just think some people just feel they have to be right all the time, and to be honest it just dose my head in.
I think all views should be welcome!
When I read Steve's post banning you and locking the tread I thought oooooh, what will happen now.
Well now I know!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trebor
Hi.
I read a lot over at the other site but I don't comment much as I consider myself a 'learner of the masters'! Needless to say after reading the thread I am more than happy to join you guys here and hopefully make some comments as and when I learn more and have something constructive to add.
Keep up the good work JL et al.
Paulus ;o)
Welcome to the fray Paulus :thumbsup:
I'm glad you took the step to join us, we are gentlemen :nod:
Cheers!
Vic
Could someone direct me to the post where steve is banning JC? Would like to read that. :whistle:
He made no post saying "Jl is banned". However, he banned him and is now taking a poll as to whether to re-instate him. Steve has made it clear he thinks Jl is misleading the pack.
Steve has just unbanned JL
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 14, 2012, 10:03:19 PM
He made no post saying "Jl is banned". However, he banned him and is now taking a poll as to whether to re-instate him. Steve has made it clear he thinks Jl is misleading the pack.
Oh that's why i couldn't find this post. thanks. I just saw the poll.
Quote from: malcop on November 14, 2012, 10:15:41 PM
Steve has just unbanned JL
He may have removed the ban but what a way to treat a forum member.
If it would have done to me, there was no need to do a survey for me to go.
Simply I leave there and never come back. One has to have integrity.
Quote from: wannawin on November 14, 2012, 10:31:05 PM
Simply I leave there and never come back. One has to have integrity.
100% as they say in Belfast. Spot on. I know where I want to learn.
[quote autho ^-^r=Bally6354 link=topic=150.msg970#msg970 date=1352918983]
I think my 9 lives must be just about up ;)
This place is like a class reunion tonight. It is good to see so many old faces and a lot of really good contributors joining up.
The casino executives are cancelling this years christmas bash as we speak. >:D
[/quote]Classic love that one :D
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 14, 2012, 10:03:19 PM
He made no post saying "Jl is banned". However, he banned him and is now taking a poll as to whether to re-instate him. Steve has made it clear he thinks Jl is misleading the pack.
Sam I wouldn't go back there if he payed me. He is the wrong kind of person to be running a forum. Shows money can't buy class. We are gentlemen as Victor said. This is our forum now
This forum is the last stand for those really researching weaknesses in the game of roulette. O:-)
Quote from: gizmotron on November 15, 2012, 12:21:11 AM
This forum is the last stand for those really researching weaknesses in the game of roulette. O:-)
Yes Gizmotron. you said it.
Very well said. The game of roulette, not only the device of roulette.
Hello there everyone :thumbsup:
Long time since i have been on the forums because i was really busy with learning coding.
But today i logged in on RF and did :o :o :o
JL banned, noooo way ....
But as i can see he has found a new warm place overhere :D
Welcome here Johny boy :thumbsup:
And now i'm surprised even more to see Fender here,
Welcome Fender :thumbsup:
Just go on with what you stopped at RF.
I always followed the S9 thread and eventually still using that bot sometimes.
Just need to mention that it makes profits but sometimes has big drawdowns but it gets up out of the pitt.
I'm always glad to hear more about your tweaked version of S9.
And offcourse your other system that you mentioned with the splits.(bet then you got banned)
I still have the splits system on a word document.
Glad to see you here also :thumbsup:
Quote from: Stepkevh on November 15, 2012, 05:44:44 AM
Hello there everyone :thumbsup:
Long time since i have been on the forums because i was really busy with learning coding.
But today i logged in on RF and did :o :o :o
JL banned, noooo way ....
But as i can see he has found a new warm place overhere :D
Welcome here Johny boy :thumbsup:
Thanks Stepkevh, well he unbanned ne after alot of support and balanced reasonning from the more positive members.
But I made a statement saying I will not return. Luckily Twister brought me to this new wonderful forum. Which we hope to
keep that way. And that's how it is. Nice to see you here. :thumbsup:
John
You must realize people are going to disagree with you. They just can't go on a slobbering, cussing rant while they do it. You will still have your detractors. For my part, I'd much rather throw you a stepping stone than a stumbling block.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 15, 2012, 02:07:21 PM
John
You must realize people are going to disagree with you. They just can't go on a slobbering, cussing rant while they do it. You will still have your detractors. For my part, I'd much rather throw you a stepping stone than a stumbling block.
Sam
Of course I know this Sam. I see that man is STILL trying to say I am this CEH charactor and I was banned multiple times.
What is his problem? I was Fender for 6 or so months on VLS. And am now Johnlegend since I joined cc nearly 2 years ago
.
If he lived in the UK I would have him in court for false allegations. You don't brandish someone of wrong doing and being someone else without ABSOLUTE PROOF.
Saying I live close to CEH and have a similar ISP doesn't cut the mustard, Its like me saying a bank was robbed in Australia yesterday afternoon and the suspect has a similar location and 1SP to him. Therefore he is our man.
He has made this up to cover his total overeaction, for how he dealt badly with me calling him out. And then losing it and banning me. A forum owner with no class, patience or understanding. Total arrogance, I will ask him one question 1 year from now, just wait for that.
Not sure if this is the right place to post but I must say this forum is a breath of fresh air compared to Roulette CC, For the past 3 days I have tried to log out of Roulette CC it won't allow me!!
Anyway I feel much more comfortable here as I feel I am amongst friends that would only advise and not criticise. Thank you SUBBY for giving me this Opportunity :thumbsup: You never know I may get the guts to come up with a system and post. :cheer:
Quote from: Koolkat on November 16, 2012, 07:43:17 PM
Not sure if this is the right place to post but I must say this forum is a breath of fresh air compared to Roulette CC, For the past 3 days I have tried to log out of Roulette CC it won't allow me!!
Anyway I feel much more comfortable here as I feel I am amongst friends that would only advise and not criticise. Thank you SUBBY for giving me this Opportunity :thumbsup: You never know I may get the guts to come up with a system and post. :cheer:
Welcome Koolkat. Wow we got all the cats in the same alley now TWOCATSAM, TOPCAT & KOOLKAT, :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
Quote from: Koolkat on November 16, 2012, 07:43:17 PM
Not sure if this is the right place to post but I must say this forum is a breath of fresh air compared to Roulette CC, For the past 3 days I have tried to log out of Roulette CC it won't allow me!!
Anyway I feel much more comfortable here as I feel I am amongst friends that would only advise and not criticise. Thank you SUBBY for giving me this Opportunity :thumbsup: You never know I may get the guts to come up with a system and post. :cheer:
:thumbsup: ;)
Quote from: malcop on November 14, 2012, 07:27:52 PM
I saw the post over at rouletteforum.cc and had to reply to speed, why can't we have different views and sometimes just agree to disagree, I just think some people just feel they have to be right all the time, and to be honest it just dose my head in.
I think all views should be welcome!
I make your words, my view. We can have a civilized discussion.
If i post a voodoo like method, i must recognize that it has no mathematical or statistical reasoning behind it. Or, lets call it, against all odds. Still i am free to post it and test it. What i feel is that there is a lack of scientific and humble attitude when doing homework.
Everyone just contributes the best he can for a colective knowledge base on roulette.
The ones that don't keep the pace or disagree must present their refutations on their theories or commit to silence.
For all that is worth, the degree of seriousness on some bold statements is very low.
Hope for the best, aim for the better.
Good Luck.
Gentlemen
After a while an argument can boil down to:
"Yes, it does!"
"No, it doesn't!"
Over and over and over......
We all "know" that the math, science and logic says "PATTERN BREAKER" will not work. But what if it works anyway? Wouldn't that make the Fat Lady sing?
Let us not forget Parrondo's Paradox. That can't possibly work, Mathematicians say it does.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 03, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
Gentlemen
We all "know" that the math, science and logic says "PATTERN BREAKER" will not work. But what if it works anyway? Wouldn't that make the Fat Lady sing?
Let us not forget Parrondo's Paradox. That can't possibly work, Mathematicians say it does.
Sam
Exactly !! Well put.
Human engineers with big brains said it was impossible for bumblebees to fly.
But nobody told the bees that. They actually fly very well, thank you.
Bumblebees with small brains didn't know about their limitations so they continue to fly in blissful ignorance.
So, too, some methods are likely to work even though they are not "supposed" to according to the "experts".
And that's why testing is so important.
I find discussions like this very interesting. Because
until somebody takes real money to a real casino
and starts really playing one of these systems on
a regular basis, that's all it will be, just a discussion.
The math never ever EVER lies. It can't lie, it won't
lie, it never lies. When you build an airplane or a ship
or a skyscraper, you can ingore the math and do it
'your' way. It'll look realy nice when you're done, probably.
Just don't expect it to fly, sail, or not fall down.
What makes anybody think gambling systems are any
different.
Quote from: spike on December 03, 2012, 11:18:14 PM
I find discussions like this very interesting. Because
until somebody takes real money to a real casino
and starts really playing one of these systems on
a regular basis, that's all it will be, just a discussion.
The math never ever EVER lies. It can't lie, it won't
lie, it never lies. When you build an airplane or a ship
or a skyscraper, you can ingore the math and do it
'your' way. It'll look realy nice when you're done, probably.
Just don't expect it to fly, sail, or not fall down.
What makes anybody think gambling systems are any
different.
What do you think Subby is doing at Paddypower? Amazing how you avoid that. Like I just told Steve on the other forum BANKROLLS don't grow by themselves.
6 months from now you will be forced to admit like Steve YOU didn't KNOW IT ALL. Math has its place in the world. But when it comes to roulette NO, it falls short.
Quote from: JohnLegend on December 04, 2012, 12:02:16 AM
Math has its place in the world. But when it comes to roulette NO, it falls short.
OK, I'm all ears. How and where does it fall
short. Where is it wrong and why. You surely
must know or you wouldn't make such a statement.
Superman says you're Fender1000 from the old
VLS forum. You had a system called The ZONE
that you made exactly the same claims about
2 years ago and it failed miserably. How is this
new thing any different.
Quote from: spike on December 04, 2012, 12:54:15 AM
Superman says you're Fender1000 from the old
VLS forum. You had a system called The ZONE
that you made exactly the same claims about
2 years ago and it failed miserably. How is this
new thing any different.
A big assumption there that Superman is correct.
NOBODY knows for sure who's who.
Everyone on a forum (wisely) travels under false colours.
Go read some of Fender's posts on VLS. He writes
the same and sounds identical. Wild claims, hates
math, wait and see you'll be sorry, testing doesn't
work, on and on. Its Fender all right. He's a gamblng
forum troll, these guys get a kick out of getting everybody
all excited with their wild unsubstantiated claims.
Random outcomes obey no rules, none, nada. You
can't put them on a leash and make them do your
bidding.
OK then. It's Todd and then ReTodd.
Quote from: spike on December 04, 2012, 12:54:15 AM
OK, I'm all ears. How and where does it fall
short. Where is it wrong and why. You surely
must know or you wouldn't make such a statement.
Superman says you're Fender1000 from the old
VLS forum. You had a system called The ZONE
that you made exactly the same claims about
2 years ago and it failed miserably. How is this
new thing any different.
I was Fender1000, and the Zone was a good method that I started off with 8 years ago.
But PATTERN BREAKER is on another level. It flows with random it doesn't fight it. RANDOM CHOOSES YOUR BET SELECTION FOR YOU. It doesn't get better than that.
You like others think math can measure and tame random. WRONG. When you apply math to roulette, you do so against the fixed man-made odds of the layout.
RANDOM knows nothing of odds. It does as it pleases as you well know. The two most successful methods I've worked with. PATTERN BREAKER and FIVE.
Wait on random for their BET SELECTION. And they are both winners.
Now you keep waffling on, oh if someone would just throw money at this method. You will see you were right and its doomed to fail.
Subby is doing just that. I'm doing it. By summer next year no one of reasonable mind, will consider this method a loser. I assure you of that.
I make claims YES. But now I'm backing them up.
The question is, will you be man enough to admit you didn't know it all, when it becomes clear to you and other detractors that this method is a long-term winner?
That's all I want to know.
Nice going Spike. That was a great catch.
QuoteI was Fender1000, and the Zone was a good method that I started off with 8 years ago.
But PATTERN BREAKER is on another level. It flows with random it doesn't fight it. RANDOM CHOOSES YOUR BET SELECTION FOR YOU. It doesn't get better than that.
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 06:29:46 AM
Nice going Spike. That was a great catch.
Giz don't be concerned about the past, be concerned about what you and Spike and all the othet detractors are going to see over the next 6--12 months.
Quote from: JohnLegend on December 04, 2012, 06:42:00 AM
Giz don't be concerned about the past, be concerned about what you and Spike and all the othet detractors are going to see over the next 6--12 months.
and this -" I make claims YES. But now I'm backing them up.
The question is, will you be man enough to admit you didn't know it all, when it becomes clear to you and other detractors that this method is a long-term winner?"
A person does not need to know everything to past you. You have nothing but a three step Martingale with a magic trick for knowing when to use it. Now anyone can see that that along contradicts your own pontifications regarding randomness. So now you are going to teach randomness. If I wanted or needed a red herring I'd just introduce you. I suppose that a great rift between a real craft and just so much baloney is now going to degrade this forum into another endless and pointless waste of time. Just try it.
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 06:58:07 AM
and this -" I make claims YES. But now I'm backing them up.
The question is, will you be man enough to admit you didn't know it all, when it becomes clear to you and other detractors that this method is a long-term winner?"
A person does not need to know everything to past you. You have nothing but a three step Martingale with a magic trick for knowing when to use it. Now anyone can see that that along contradicts your own pontifications regarding randomness. So now you are going to teach randomness. If I wanted or needed a red herring I'd just introduce you. I suppose that a great rift between a real craft and just so much baloney is now going to degrade this forum into another endless and pointless waste of time. Just try it.
Giz my money is where my thoughts are, the only thing you need to do is check in on Subbys Speramus quest and my BV challenge once in a while.
And it will become clear that PATTERN BREAKER works as the months roll by. I don't need to argue with any of you. No one can argue with success.
And Matt R/H I See you, why so shy now to respomd to your FIVE DATA thread.??
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 06:58:07 AM
and this -" I make claims YES. But now I'm backing them up.
The question is, will you be man enough to admit you didn't know it all, when it becomes clear to you and other detractors that this method is a long-term winner?"
A person does not need to know everything to past you. You have nothing but a three step Martingale with a magic trick for knowing when to use it. Now anyone can see that that along contradicts your own pontifications regarding randomness. So now you are going to teach randomness. If I wanted or needed a red herring I'd just introduce you. I suppose that a great rift between a real craft and just so much baloney is now going to degrade this forum into another endless and pointless waste of time. Just try it.
Gizmo
Its just a pointless debate. If this challenge ends in a positive territory it will only prove that PB can win in a few thousand sessions. You already posted few sessions played HAR where in about 500 games there was a strike rate of 9.5 and 4.4. I think that PB is coded in Ophis tracker and some can run 5-10 games sessions using actuals. ;)
Quote from: Robeenhuut on December 04, 2012, 07:20:44 AM
Gizmo
Its just a pointless debate. If this challenge ends in a positive territory it will only prove that PB can win in a few thousand sessions. You already posted few sessions played HAR where in about 500 games there was a strike rate of 9.5 and 4.4. I think that PB is coded in Ophis tracker and some can run 5-10 games sessions using actuals. ;)
It is a pointless topic. I understand that he uses shills also. There should be a general warning to all new people that magical claimers lurk the halls with their marry men of shill.
Quote from: JohnLegend on December 04, 2012, 07:14:11 AM
And Matt R/H I See you, why so shy now to respomd to your FIVE DATA thread.??
I disputed your 70 wins on 4th step with FIVE but now you changed your stats so there is no more issue with that.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 03, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
Let us not forget Parrondo's Paradox. That can't possibly work, Mathematicians say it does.
Sam, I hate to be a party pooper, but Parrando's Paradox isn't really a paradox, not in the sense that it defies logic and mathematics. One of the games in the paradox has to have a positive expectation or it won't work (that's why it can't be used in casinos).
As for the bumble-bee, I think that's a bit of a myth. See "misconceptions" in the wiki entry on Bumblebee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee#Misconceptions).
maths and logic can deduce consequences from true premises, but it can't tell you whether the premises are actually true, except the ones which are
defined to be true.
OK, maybe I spoke out of turn.
As I understood it you have two losing games but when you alternate them, you get a winning game. If one has a positive expectation, why not just play it?
"There exist pairs of games, each with a higher probability of losing than winning, for which it is possible to construct a winning strategy by playing the games alternately."
I read the above and believed it. Sorry about me.What about De'mere's (sp) dice game? Who would think that possible without mathematical proof?
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 04, 2012, 09:47:22 AM
As I understood it you have two losing games but when you alternate them, you get a winning game. If one has a positive expectation, why not just play it?
Sam - exactly right!! why not indeed?
It's going off-topic so I'll post a thread in the math section giving some more detail. PP comes up fairly often on forums so it's worth having a reference for the next time someone suggests a roulette system to take advantage of it.
OK, since I'm basically a mechanical person................
Have you ever seen the horse shoe puzzle? Two horse shoes with chains welding them together and a ring around the chains. Logic would say you cannot take that ring off. Sure you can.
Can two parallel lines cross. No! Think railroad tracks. They never even get close to each other. BUT parallel lines can cross. (Yes, it twists the word "cross" a bit!)
My point--and I flubbed it--is that just because something looks impossible and 9999 out of 1,000 would tell you it's impossible--watch out for that thousandth person.
Sam
That might excuse Fender1000 but what about the shills / aliases?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on December 04, 2012, 07:58:28 AM
I disputed your 70 wins on 4th step with FIVE but now you changed your stats so there is no more issue with that.
Matt you made an error of judgement that's all. You didn't fully understand (as most didn't) how the bet trigger in FIVE works. So I can understand why you came gunning for me. 70 holds on the 4th step would indeed be a miracle. If they had been genuine 4 steps. Now you realize over 1 third were in reality FIVE STEPS. So we go on. I dare not tell you the stats for 8 ON 1. They are RIDICULOUS. but true.
This is my last post on this subject now that JL has admitted
to being Fender. Under Fender1000 he got flat out busted
for joining VLS under an alias and singing the praises of his
own losing system and making wild claims about money he
won that were all lies. He's a fraud and a charleton, what
you see is what you get. This is not an accusation, its an
easily proved fact. Waste as much time as you like on his
baloney, its your time to waste.
Just like good ole roulette king from years gone by . He had more aliases in support of his wild claims at the casino Monte Carlo in Monaco. Deja Vue.
But this cat was not satisfied with lowly 70, 000 Euro he went right away for 2. 5 millions to show he had class.
N.D.
Quote from: JohnLegend on December 04, 2012, 05:46:54 PM
Matt you made an error of judgement that's all. You didn't fully understand (as most didn't) how the bet trigger in FIVE works. So I can understand why you came gunning for me. 70 holds on the 4th step would indeed be a miracle. If they had been genuine 4 steps. Now you realize over 1 third were in reality FIVE STEPS. So we go on. I dare not tell you the stats for 8 ON 1. They are RIDICULOUS. but true.
John
8 on 1 is a 5 step progression so it can produce long winning runs. Five with 4 steps produced 1000+ winning run so you might go 3000/0. The same odds....
Quote from: spike on December 04, 2012, 10:54:27 PM
This is my last post on this subject now that JL has admitted
to being Fender. Under Fender1000 he got flat out busted
for joining VLS under an alias and singing the praises of his
own losing system and making wild claims about money he
won that were all lies. He's a fraud and a charleton, what
you see is what you get. This is not an accusation, its an
easily proved fact. Waste as much time as you like on his
baloney, its your time to waste.
I got flat out nothing. PATTERN BREAKER has been sitting on the CC forum for nearly two years. I've been using it for 4. You come along and decide to stir up trouble while at the same time ignore the fact.
Subby is using it in a challenge for ALL to see. Aswell as myself using it in a challenge for all to see. WAKE IUP. Charlatons don't put themselves on the line.
They try to sell scams for money. When its all been proven to work. I will bet a heap you have gone into hiding without the decency to apologize and admit you were wrong.
That's a sure thing.
Enough!
Bayes started this thread in a gentle manner.
It has recently deteriorated considerably.
The time has come for protagonists to agree to disagree and leave it there.
The method is under test in Speramus.
Let's wait'n'see the outcome and hold off on pre-judging meanwhile.
I'm locking the thread for folk to cool down.
Bayes will unlock it if he wishes to.