Just for the sake of argument. I know that's a loaded question. Just assume that I have my Ai artificial intelligence machine project completed. I want to tap the brain trust of this forum on what to do with it if it's really successful.


I'm not claiming that I've done it. But just play along as if I were here with it in hand.


What would be a good idea to do with it?


I thought gambling syndicate, a team effort. I've thought, just a hand full of big spenders get it first or even exclusively.  The last people that I want to see it are the math experts in the academic fields. They'd wreck everything for us all.


How about a room full of players using different ISP's that log into several casinos and use the computer program to select bets. The computer will make a bet selection in less than a second after the next spin is entered. That's plenty of time to make the next bet. Is there a way to watch other players play roulette online? We don't get to do this in the USA.

"What would be a good idea to do with it?"

The bird story

....Keep your mouth shut.

Quote from: The Crow on September 07, 2016, 09:43:40 PM
"What would be a good idea to do with it?"

The bird story

....Keep your mouth shut.

The Crow, of course, what was I thinking.


So you would hold it back for yourself only? I hadn't thought of that.


It will teach me the best way to consider sleepers and singles though. All I have to do is add telemetry before the final selection for each bet. I learned a long time ago that sims can teach you about conditional changes. You can see the flow change as a session goes on. Some people call it variance. It's good to see variance as it happens.

"So you would hold it back for yourself only? I hadn't thought of that."

Silence is golden.

End of story.

re:   Ai artificial intelligence machine project

A brief reminder [couple of sentences would do] of its objectives and functions would improve the chance of useful suggestions.

Some would find a bit more information helpful to lift the veil of ignorance...lol

Quote from: esoito on September 07, 2016, 11:01:10 PM
re:   Ai artificial intelligence machine project

A brief reminder [couple of sentences would do] of its objectives and functions would improve the chance of useful suggestions.

Some would find a bit more information helpful to lift the veil of ignorance...lol

OK, I have a teaching tool at my school. It allows the students to make easy bet selection guesses based on reading my charting method of tracking Roulette spins. They asked me to do more live demonstrations of how I make my selections. I decided to tackle getting the computer to make those selections for me based on all the principles that I teach in the school. It will artificially make the next bet based on reading randomness.


So far I have it identifying the sleepers and passing on a percentage recommendation to a function that compares almost all the groupings that the charting tool tracks for sleepers. I need to pass on the single's percentages too, and then compare them all for the best guess. Since it's mathematically making the best guess based on situational awareness it should be a bit clunky compared to a human response. I will try to add a layer of instinct for smoothing out the rough edges. It's still just a machine but it will create a track-able wL list for effectiveness states and that evaluation and recommendation too. Last of all it will recognize the global effect and give that recommendation to the guess handler algorithm. Once it makes a guess, it will add a small comment why it decided what it did. It will do all that before the next spin is entered and clicked to spin.


Once it does what it does I don't want to have to explain it. It's for my students to see how I make choices on each bet. Apparently, seeing it happen and why teaches a lot more than trying to explain a concept.

I agree with The Crow, keeping it to yourself is best.

If your problem is it's too far for you to travel and play, then try to solve that dilemma before deciding what to do with the AIMP.

How much can you win? What other commitments do you have in life? How much time can you afford playing roulette for money? What would it cost to rent accommodation for 3 or 6 month periods close to a few casinos?

Could you build a rewards portfolio with casinos then take advantage of comp'ed  rooms, etc.

If you want to share it for the kudos, forget it. No one is important enough for you to require their acknowledgement.


I'm lucky because I have settled on a system that consistently destroys roulette, and my local casino (Star City Sydney) is a 5 minute drive.

I'm even luckier that I don't need the money so don't have to chase the dollar with endless roulette.


I'm sure my way of play is every bit as good as yours, but you don't see me trying to flog it or share it or seek peer reviews.

I just drive down the road and play it every now and then.

Good luck whatever you decide.

If it's all about beating online roulette from the comfort of your own home, I would forget that too.

Online casinos are a disaster area. They will pull every trick in the book to ensure you either lose, or can't withdraw your winnings, or disconnect you , or ban you for the slightest reason if they see you winning.

You can't beat them because they don't play fair. They move the goal posts around constantly so you can never kick a goal.

This is the conversation I wanted to have.


I see that the online route is out by the experience of those that have done it. Thanks.


Keeping it to myself seems the fairest solution for my students. I am selling them everything I think about reading randomness. They have the expectation to use what they paid for.


I can live without the money. I'm done proving it to myself that it works, just like you have what works for you. I just wanted to see if I could teach it to others. The few students that I have are responsive and show that they are gaining the experience needed to make it work for them.


A whale can't use it for online and the computer app can't be used in a casino unless hidden somehow. The app serves one purpose and one purpose only. It proves that my method works while at the same time being worthless to actually using it against a casino. It's the method that gets the credit. So my choice to share it slowly, with only a very few students turns out to be what works the best.


A public demonstration of it working would wreck everything. There would be a stampede to learn how it works and the casinos would figure out a way to adjust for it. I can see them outlawing hand written charts of any kind. It would still work without charts though. They would take down all those Marquees that light up near the tables for each game too. Yep, gambling's going to change in the next ten years, but it won't go away at all.

Quote from: greenguy on September 08, 2016, 12:01:21 AM
If it's all about beating online roulette from the comfort of your own home, I would forget that too.

Online casinos are a disaster area. They will pull every trick in the book to ensure you either lose, or can't withdraw your winnings, or disconnect you , or ban you for the slightest reason if they see you winning.

You can't beat them because they don't play fair. They move the goal posts around constantly so you can never kick a goal.

All I can value is my own experience, and the collective experience of those I trust as friends and colleagues. Nevertheless from my own work with Dublin Bet, and 888 live, and a dozen others on a recommended list I have had no trouble in successful deposit, action and withdrawal, with the caveat of constant vigilance and avoidance of the various traps that may lead to disaster.

#1  home connection must have  limitless capacity broadband
#2  never accept any bonus offers
#3  make regular modest withdrawals of accumulated profit and play in 2 week cycles then move on
#4  timing as always is paramount and select your live action time with local action to enable sufficient analysis time
#5  888 casino live has one format which is simple roulette and no punters and 30 min dealer changes like clockwork
#6  enable occasional losses - this is not hard to do but endeavour to have gains outweigh losses
#7  play by the rules and record all transactions and outcomes

My preference is always a live casino and I have the luxury of an excellent casino 10 mins walk from my studio. Nevertheless the internet casinos have their uses. As I have written it is essential to prepare and train ( before going live) for every different casino setting. They are like different universes with unique characteristics.

Further, from listening to casino regulars yesterday in conversation in a live setting, you realize the mental patterns, expectations, and biased viewpoints of many punters is disastrous in its negativity and blaming everyone else for failure other than examining themselves and their poor choices that lead to loss. I heard one woman say to another 'regular' -  'don't you get sick of losing?'- with the implied and anticipated negative reinforcement in such language - - all losers together in the one sad ship.

It does not have to be like this but one essential is to steer clear of such noise, disruption, and work quietly and professionally alone, preferably in a Private Members Room ( not required on the internet) - not for cynicism or superiority - but for sanity, in the sense of 'good health' so you give yourself the best chance for success.

Confidence based on proven application of your specialised knowledge is what follows.

I don't think you should close the door entirely on the online live option.

GG makes some good points.

But so does XXVV.

And following on from those,  there are ways that others have found works for them...

1  Do your research and then pick half-a-dozen online live casinos [not RNG] as your stable.

2  At the first casino make a modest profit, and then stop and log off

3  Rinse and repeat with the other five.

4  Deliberately invoke the occasional losing session to keep their auditors happy. That's important. Winning all the time will certainly trigger an adverse response.


So spreading yourself, losing occasionally and taking modest profits will help you stay below the radar.


And, of course, collective profits add up quite nicely.

Involving others individually or as teams/syndicates raises issues such as trust...confidentiality...honesty...and could be more trouble than it's worth to you.

For peace of mind I'd say simply confine this AI project to yourself, and perhaps some of your students who have proved their honesty and reliability.

Interesting choices. There is no way I'm planning an Ed Thorp. Perhaps the best choice is to go on a road trip. I could connect a bunch of casinos all along the interstate and the coast.

Quote from: Gizmotron on September 08, 2016, 01:27:34 AM
Interesting choices. There is no way I'm planning an Ed Thorp. Perhaps the best choice is to go on a road trip. I could connect a bunch of casinos all along the interstate and the coast.

Excellent idea!!

If you have found a winning strategy, what could be better than seeing the world, enjoying new experiences, new people, great food. You now have the freedom that a lot of people are unable to create for themself. Enjoy it. Think of all the hours you have put into studying the game. Don't you deserve some personal enjoyment as a kind of payback.

Do it this way and be successful and somewhere down the line you will be able to share it with whoever you want for no cost and that should make you feel a whole lot better than giving it away now for some arbitrary sum. A third or half of your life's work is not worth 20k or whatever. You should be thinking on a higher plane than that. (all just for the sake of argument, of course)

Quote from: The Crow on September 07, 2016, 09:43:40 PMKeep your mouth shut.

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Quote from: Gizmotron on September 08, 2016, 01:27:34 AM... connect a bunch of casinos all along the interstate and the coast.

This is what most of the roulette enthusiasts on these forums will advise you to do.

"Mathboyz", on the other hand, will encourage you going the Thorp way.

As I get it, you are not really in for the money, nor to become famous. You possess certain asset, but you are not interested in its monetization (MONEY) or gaining any privileges out of it (FAME). So my suggestion would be to make some money anyway and then invest in something different that makes your life truly enjoyable and satisfying.

Still, it would be nice to complete the Ai project. A road trip that pays for itself might be nice too. I take medications that slow my heart rate and that slowing brings my aortic valve back into an efficient enough state that I'm still around. It's clear to me that other measures might have brought different results. It's been seven years and I feel normal except for getting very weak at times. Over exertion wipes me out after two to four hours of it. Not true about sitting on a stool at a Roulette table though. I'm good for 8 hours with no troubles if I have to. I did a two and one half year road trip in an RV recently.


You have to know that a couple of significant changes occurred in my strategy in the past few months. I didn't have them before when I did the west coast casinos from San Diego to Ocean Shores, Washington. Back and forth for 30 months I went. But I didn't have this new stuff, stuff I teach my seven active students now.


I'm going to get ready for the road perhaps. Maybe next spring. I'm all battened down for the approaching winter now.


This is what I'm thinking will be the smart idea. The Ai project will be completed by winters end. I will bring in only ten more than the ten that are already there now. That makes 20 in total, a couple people I invited were for free. These last ten slots are only $100 each. Last time I taught 10 and closed up shop. This time, with the new stuff, it will be 20. With those first ten, this new 20, and all my posts here at this forum, everyone will know where the ideas came from. That's all I really wanted to happen. So the door is going to close at ten more if that's a good idea. If any of you were thinking of getting in on this you would be very welcome to join in.


I will make an attempt to demonstrate the Ai charting app to any students that are there at the school. I might create a self destructive version that will shut down as soon as I blow up the online key for it. It will give the students a couple of weeks to use it and to learn form it. The students will be able to test it against online live spins one spin at a time if they want to. Then there might be 20 witnesses that saw it work. These witnesses will have been taught how it works too.


One thing though. Should I keep the self taught online school open? Perhaps I should not limit the number of students and let as many in, as want to learn, to come in. It's only costs me ten dollars a year to maintain. The work is done and paid for. I rewrote the charting program at least six times and added all kinds of teaching features along the way. I could still activate an Ai version of the charting program that self destructs by a phone home technique that the cord can be pulled whenever I want. I wrote an extremely powerful version of the Blowfish algorithm with a completely unique version of cyber block chaining at the front end. I did it in the native language of the development language that I'm using. When I say that I can kill this thing, hackers can't break my call home access code. Armed with a Md5 hash function, and a key that only I know, the door lock can't be picked or duplicated. As long as the key is online and has the function as a match, there is no way to enter if the key goes missing. In that way I can both share it to my students and keep it safe. I can kill the app on startup so they can't bit source it too. They would have to attempt a brute force attack on the access key's actual string of text in order to break it. Even if they could get their hands on the source code. Why do all that if they could get all the information they wanted for $100.


Just throwing ideas around again. I mean I've gone from whales to road trip in just a couple of days.