Let's say after 7 years of full roulette research I have found the H/G of the Ecs FLAT BETTING.(It can be adapted on the 2:1 bets too and add those bets but I haven t tested it there...BUT same winning principles so same thing)
Let's say it is based 100% on probability...(something like Marigny only a hell lot faster and better)
Let's say it can not be played with pen and paper(lot s of calculations) and it needs a program/bot.
Now what?
How can I trust a programer not to expose or sell the method?
How can I take the bot in the real Casino?
Please only serious replies cause I an not kidding.
Quote from: Razor on March 12, 2013, 11:32:51 PM
How can I trust a programer not to expose or sell the method?
You don't. A shared secret is not a secret anymore.
Your best bet is to learn how to code it yourself using the easiest programming language you can find.
If you still want to have it coded by 3rd parties, you could split the work amongst several coders across several freelance pages. You must instruct them to do it in such a way they resulting parts interact to assemble a whole (your holy grail). As long as all the parts are separate/incomplete on their own, you didn't disclose your grail to any of the programmers. The more disconnected parts the merrier.
You can also maximize your chances for anonymity and decoupling of your coders by contracting from different continents (not kidding, that's the beauty of our current online-enabled world).
Quote from: Razor on March 12, 2013, 11:32:51 PMHow can I take the bot in the real Casino?
You can demand it to be programmed in a portable language such as java, then use a java-enabled cell phone (dime a dozen these days).
Regards.
Yes the mobile phone is the only solution I have also thought of.
Thanks Vic.
You can even have it in a Java-enabled wrist-watch cell:
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http://www.amazon.com/Inch-Watch-Phone-Bluetooth-Black/dp/B009UQ5CA8 (http://www.amazon.com/Inch-Watch-Phone-Bluetooth-Black/dp/B009UQ5CA8)
Gimme, Gimme, Gimme !!!!!!
This is serious.............
Have Stef and Nick program it into their ExcelBot.
Would they use it to make money for themselves? Probably. I know I would.
I trust them.
I told them of the "TwoCat Shuffle". It's being programmed.
TwoCat
Razor,
If it is too tough to be calculated manually, how do u know whether it is a grail, without testing extensively? If it looks like a grail to you, take help of a programmer to get it coded in a tracker/bot. Get it tested upon a variety of data. If it goes in positive, you can think of using it in a real casino.
I can recommend you two programmers who can do it anonymously. PM me, if u r serious.
EC-s are my favorite too :)
Anyway, I wonder how something what is based just on probability can win flat bet? Similar to Marigny, huh?
Everything in roulette must balance out longterm, so no matter what probability you challenge you will still face 50:50 minus 2.7 after that on the long run... (it doesn't means you can't make some money longterm becasue of that, there is other side of this coin too :) )
You can face like 5.0 STD on EC-s and as you maybe know max is around 5.2, but to that point you will still have 50:50 and lose becasue of zero.
Are you sure you tested it enough, not to get dissapointed in the end? :scared:
If you are so scared of someone getting your HG you can learn to code by yourself or to ask coder to create software with changanble settings (if you can set that for your strategy?) for things you need. So in that case only you will know winning combo :)
Cheers
Drazen
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Any one can flat betting, so i don't think you have the HG ...
And you don't make so much money flat betting, better to use regression + Up and Pull ...
Cheers
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 13, 2013, 04:03:46 AM
If your system is too conflabulated (new word by me :D ) to play in a B&M casino without technological assistance then it ain't no holy grail.
Just curious why you say that? why does a HG have to be simple enough to play without software in order to be a HG?
Quote from: Bayes on March 13, 2013, 10:26:37 AM
Just curious why you say that? why does a HG have to be simple enough to play without software in order to be a HG?
It does not need to be complicated, as long it hits more than miss. It may be complicated to do!
On a wheel with zero it is math impossible, but we can of course ignore such a trifle.
Someone asked about the testing that I have done with my method.
This method is based on a concept ...I have tested this concept for about one year now in the real casino with real money because the Bank Roll is so small that I never cared to lose it some times ,so I started testing it in real environment just to have some fun and see the results..
The bank roll that I am using is 15 chips (of 10 euros each) and I have lost the bank roll 2 times(visits) of the 88(86W and 2L). I am playing 2 times / week.
I do not bet on every spin but only when I see the right moment based on the probability concept that I have made.
I am leaving the Casino with +5 chips the less and +10 the most.
I am not leaving because of the nonesence "hit and run" approach that it does not work and does not make any difference than playing continuously, but I am leaving because it s a slow method(not betting in every spin and a lot of work to see if and when I have to bet) and I am just trying to make some chips and almost always leave +.
Those 2 days that I had the BR loss I left because I was tired.
I have updated the concept in order to have EXACT triggers and not triggers that are based on just an ABOUT estimation.( I don t have any complains with the older version but I needed to be as good as it can be and also be coded because It s very hard to play it with pen and papper.
The old version was able to be played with pen and papper(very hard for sure) but the final version is impossible to be played like that.
This is why I need a program and I need to play all 3 Ecs and not just 1 because I need more triggers in order to have faster gains.
edit.
It s hard...
Some times I am leaving the casino in about 1 hour and some times(very few) I have stayed there 11 hours!
The average time is about 2-3 hours.
By having a program coded in a mobile phone I will be able to track more than 1 wheel and more than 1 Ec.
This is what I need.
Bally posted :
""it's possible to use the framework of the permanence and manoevere yourself into positions where you can consistently take advantage and come out ahead flat betting.
All this is possible well at the same time each number is coming out as probability suggests over a long period of time.
Roulette is a unique game in a sense compared to other gambling games because of how you can interpret what is happening. My edge is how I use the information at my disposal.""
And this is the key.
Roulette computers have nothing to do with my method.
Roulette computers and AP is over.
My method doesn t care about the imperfections of the wheels and take data of a huge amount of spins in order to see IF there is a real advantage or not.
Please don t confuse the ways of play. :thumbsup:
I have spoke with a friend.
He is willing to make the program.
If so, I ll post the results of the testing ... if you care.
I hope you do well ... cheers
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 13, 2013, 09:56:52 PM
No confusion here.
Good luck with this, Viper. :thumbsup:
MBB,
You aren't joking...really.
what?
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 13, 2013, 09:56:52 PM
No confusion here.
Good luck with this, Viper. :thumbsup:
Hi MBB(omb...s)
i have same opinion.... could be V....
Razor,
I always care!
Could you describe your playing style a little?
If nothing is described than most of us cannot spend a lot of time researching the subject.
At least some solid hints.
I would if I had the HG : )
My opinion is still the same, if there is a HG it will never be accepted on a large scale. Not enough people following the forums.
Who is going to believe that you can be successful in roulette longterm?
" I have tests to prove it!" : )
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 13, 2013, 09:56:52 PM
Good luck with this, Viper. :thumbsup:
Spot on. :thumbsup: :P
I searched the google translation and Viper is a kind of snake.
I can t understand why you call me like that.
Anyway this thread wasn t for the perpose of giving hints and clues but it was about finding a coder to make my method.
I would never tease you with clues and stuff but since you need it ...
Try to take advantage of the imbalances of the Ecs.(or any other bet)
Do not fall into the trap of focusing and betting only on one imbalance.(situation)
The bet for the correction of the imbalance must be at the same time a bet that corrects an other(or more) imbalance.One imbalance can continue and make you lose...but what if this imbalance is assosiated with more imbalances that when it will start correcting it self,the other ones will do the same.(this is the power of the method and something that never seen before)
Work this concept in a spins frame.
Make triggers values and bet lighter on light(but serius) imbalances and heavier on grater imbalances.(but never with progressions)
These are my findings.
Razor,
You are going in correct direction but nothing works without money management.
When you are increasing the accuracy of predictions you do not need MM. :)
Maybe my results so far are based on luck...
I have researched roulette so much and I have seen that everything fails so I can t be exited easily any more.
ONLY when I ll see the long run test with the code I will be positive or negative about my method
Quote from: Bayes on March 14, 2013, 07:40:00 AM
Spot on. :thumbsup: :P
Never again ??????????????????????
Ok I will update this thread according to the programs results.
Good luck with any of your projects.
Razor - good luck with this. I also believe that an answer does lie down this trail. If I may make a prediction however - I think your program will show a small advantage which will turn out to be roughly 50%, or half, of what you are expecting. And that the advantage will not be more than 2.7%.
Quote from: Razor on March 14, 2013, 08:12:01 AM
When you are increasing the accuracy of predictions you do not need MM
So contradictory to the strategy explained......as there you don't need any accuracy,
just a hope things turn as you wish.
Nothing increases the accuracy of predictions. This statement is a fallacy.
Yes sure ,logic and maths say that whatever we do in the end it will still be a 50-50 chance.
What we are doing here(in forums) is TRYING to find a way to beat this 50-50(or better say the -2,7) and have a little better chance.
Maybe it can not be done...but if we think like that ,then we shouldn t be in a roulette forum and making systems etc. and we shouldn t play roulette with the hope of making money or we should play roulette knowing that we are just playing a game with negative expectation no matter how we play.
I haven t read anything about this "TwoCatSam style eclipse method ".
MY PERSONAL OPINION is that if with my concept I will not be able to gain even a little something better than the 50-50,then randomness can t be beaten with imbalance corrections.
Maybe it can be beaten with an other way. :)
But being in a roulette forum and making research on randomness,then it means that we have/need to be positive...otherwise we don t have any job in a R forum and we stop the research.
PS. All those things that I am saying in my posts and I am about to say in the future are MY opinions and point of views,
Please keep in mind that I am not and I will never will force anyone to accept my point of view...after all we are free men and we are allowed to have our opinion. :thumbsup:
Razor
If I may inject one little bit..........
In my opinion, it's not the -2.7% we need to worry about; it's dispersion. When did you hear anyone leaving a casino say, "Man, I lost 2.7% tonight! The wife is going to kill me!" Nope.
Let's use a TwoCat Exaggerample: Suppose you had a wheel that could NOT produce five reds in a row. Maybe one, two, three or four--we don't know which--but never five. Hello, Mr. Martingale!! Now, does the wheel change? Nope. Still -2.7%, but dispersion is gone.
Lastly, BVNZ truly is a fair casino with fairly produced numbers. If the -2.7% is all that standing in the way, why can this casino exist?
Sam
Yes Sam I agree with you on that.
Dispersion is the real killer of almost all systems.
And the only way to avoid it, is a better accuracy on the bets.
By the way I saw one of your video.s
You have a cool accent :thumbsup:
Quote from: Razor on March 14, 2013, 11:50:03 AM
Yes Sam I agree with you on that.
Dispersion is the real killer of almost all systems.
And the only way to avoid it, is a better accuracy on the bets.
By the way I saw one of your video.s
You have a cool accent :thumbsup:
Dispersion makes both win and loss, A RFH is when we bet the wrong side for long, the wheel is not aware of anything, it do not know what you are up to or not you are there. In a very long run the 2.7% means a lot, but not for a short session. In Europe they have the HE at 1.3% for EC. That is for you to win 1000 most expose at least the same to the HE, Inside you can if lucky get 1000 betting less than 30. A EC better expose more to the unfair odds due to lower payout.
If we win much the numbers we bet comes more, and other numbers less, the dispersion make the winnings, and the fact the numbers not are equal in a not unlimited series is needed for creating a game like roulette.
""" In a very long run the 2.7% means a lot"""
I agree and this is why I mentioned it in my privious post. :thumbsup:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 14, 2013, 11:45:54 AM
Suppose you had a wheel that could NOT produce five reds in a row.
Without supposing, it can't over 28 lol :)
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: Drazen on March 14, 2013, 01:21:55 PM
Without supposing, it can't over 28 lol :)
Cheers
Drazen
Probability is about all spins in Monte Carlo in 110 years, so it is rather due!!! :))
Guys
It's an "exaggerample"......an exaggerated example. It cannot happen. It just lets you think in different ways.
Imagine: RRRRB............repeating to infinity. NEVER RRRRR. Could you make money off that?
Mostly, I'm just bloviating!! Pay me no mind......
Sam
Quote from: Ralph on March 14, 2013, 02:24:19 PM
Probability is about all spins in Monte Carlo in 110 years, so it is rather due!!! :))
Well in that case record is 26 becasue on August 18, 1913, at the casino in Monte Carlo, black came up a record twenty-six times in succession ... Casino make good money that night and unusual run enriched the Casino by some millions of francs becasue people starting doubling their bets thinking it MUST be opposite on the next spin... That is history fact.
I have tested dozens of millions of spins and I personaly haven't noticed more then 25 in a row on standard EC-s (on artifical ones I have seen more), although from Bayses published stats in the past it can be 28 I think..
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 14, 2013, 04:12:48 PM
Guys
It's an "exaggerample"......an exaggerated example. It cannot happen. It just lets you think in different ways.
Imagine: RRRRB............repeating to infinity. NEVER RRRRR. Could you make money off that?
Mostly, I'm just bloviating!! Pay me no mind......
Sam
Well Sam there is something more to it if you want study or bet on some patterns
Anyhow, probability is not as straight forward as we might think. Certain patterns are still more probable to show up before others..
But like I already see next question.. ,,How the hell will this bring me any money". Too bad nothing is so simple to exploit...
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CoinTossing.html (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CoinTossing.html)