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[Blue_Angel]

I have no problem with people making money on the internet. what I see pathetic is that donations are requested instead of selling . have you seen the patron.com nonsense? pay during the week what is free on the weekend? no thanks. how can forum staff not see it is going to fail while publishing it?

if they give me the free programs I will take them of course but it does not mean that I support the nonsense model.

You've misunderstood, I think subscriptions come with more privileges than what's being offered for free.
Of course Victor is the most proper person to clarify it.

only two people from the forums know where I am from and I want it to stay that way. nobody knows what you do not tell . best advice: do not worry about mundane things of forum people and keep winning,  it is the only thing that matter.

Was just as harmless as pointless question, I understand and agree with your reasoning.

[wannawin]

it is not a misunderstanding, I have read and reread the said patron.com webpage. every weekend a program is given away so it makes 52 programs. obviously this already failed because there is no one doing patronage. and rightly so. if I buy on Monday for $ 20 USD then it is selected on the weekend and now what I bought with my hard earned money is free for everyone so it has no value now. the smart thing to do is never to buy anything and simply wait for the free weekly programs until they realize that it is a failure . obviously as no one buys then the system falls by itself before taking off. totally illogical. it is like asking Santa Claus for candy. if you receive any then it is your parents giving the sweets to you. this is nothing more than an elaborated method of asking for donations in disguise.

[Blue_Angel]

it is not a misunderstanding, I have read and reread the said patron.com webpage. every weekend a program is given away so it makes 52 programs. obviously this already failed because there is no one doing patronage. and rightly so. if I buy on Monday for $ 20 USD then it is selected on the weekend and now what I bought with my hard earned money is free for everyone so it has no value now. the smart thing to do is never to buy anything and simply wait for the free weekly programs until they realize that it is a failure . obviously as no one buys then the system falls by itself before taking off. totally illogical. it is like asking Santa Claus for candy. if you receive any then it is your parents giving the sweets to you. this is nothing more than an elaborated method of asking for donations in disguise.

I've proposed Victor to include my gambling collection mega pack: http://betselection.cc/blueangel's-mindsphere/gambling-mega-pack/
in order to add value to the subscriptions and attract more members, I didn't ask for money in return, just to enroll me on 100$/month (true fan) plan for free plus to have a percentage from the total subscriptions.
He has requested me to check the contents before we agree but I've explained that after gaining access he could find an excuse and decline my offer but all these contents would be at his disposal nonetheless.
I thought it would be easier to have such deal rather than requesting 1 time payment which would be in several hundreds range.

[wannawin]

Steve sells a single system for $ 2,500 USD. the gambling mega pack should have a higher price. it does not make sense to offer it for a monthly payment by the way. it should be a single sale. what is the point of buying the same package every month unless you add value?

[Blue_Angel]

I've paid 75$ to program 3 of my methods and on the way I've agreed to avail them with bet software pro to all forum members as long as the bot will work with Paddypower casino, 1 of the casinos I'm using online.

Victor assured me that all these will be done but since last April have passed almost 6 months and the only thing I've received so far are a few incomplete versions of my 3 methods (including bugs).

1) http://betselection.cc/blueangel's-mindsphere/numbers-pockets-and-time/

2) http://betselection.cc/blueangel's-mindsphere/long-lasting-capital/

3) http://betselection.cc/blueangel's-mindsphere/1-4-all-all-4-1/

On the beginning I've paid only 1 in advance and I'd pay for the second when the first was complete, but Victor persuaded me to pay for the rest in advance in order to devote all of his time on them and finish them by the end of the weekend (that last weekend of past April), actually he told me that his wife who is his manager instructed him to suggest me so.
After all these I don't know what I should expect...

[Blue_Angel]

990 Euros I consider to be fair price, 10 members could share the cost and pay 99 Euros each.
After they could do as they like with the content.

Before I request Vic to program them I've contacted Les (from RX software), he is doing good job in good price too, but he told he was busy with RX bot updates, but promised to find someone for me, after 1 week he has informed me that nobody was available.

Meanwhile I've been rejected by other 2 programmers, after I've asked Norman and he replied that he could do only 1 of them and this would cost me 100 Euros because it is too complex and time consuming.

Finally I asked Silver and he requested me to write down step by step the  instructions in order because: "...the threads have too much blah blah and vague explanations."
That was his response in short, so Victor became my only hope but he disappointed me so far. 

[wannawin]

I laugh too much when I have donated $ 10 USD and I receive thanks. if it looks and quacks like broke then it is broke. if this forum remains it will end like the gamblersglen.com board: abandonware. same look from the year 2017 to the year 2057. I doubt very much that there is something programmed on the new forum. this is what it is.

come to this point I do not know what to think if it is very difficult or if it is really about time or what do I know. at least I have not paid for my requests and the times I have donated I have given amounts of misery . maybe as I have donated it is that I see it so pathetic. others who have not given anything will surely have another opinion.

weekend = year end. I was happy to receive my free program for next year but now the prediction is that the forum closes for not paying a trifle.

990 Euros I consider to be fair price, 10 members could share the cost and pay 99 Euros each.
After they could do as they like with the content.

too cheap. you have to learn from Steve when it comes to price:

>> Over 1,000 players is a small group? Maybe you expected 30,000. My technology to beat roulette ranges between $2,500 to $80,000. If it were $49.95, then I'd think it was bit strange.

https://www.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com/

[greenguy]

Hello Blue_Angel.

I just skimmed over your first system link,

1) http://betselection.cc/blueangel's-mindsphere/numbers-pockets-and-time/


To be honest if I were contracted to code just this system for you I can see in the first instance at least several hours of reading and comprehending (that exhausts your $75). This would be followed by numerous correspondences, that due to time constraints could takes a number of days and many further shadow hours.


At a reasonable hourly rate, we would already be approaching multiple hundreds of dollars in payment for my time committed, and that's before I have even set down the first line of code.


The coding itself could take days and days and days, and the bugs would be thick on the ground which would require more correspondence and more time and more coding, etc.


At this point we would be WELL over $400 and NOWHERE near a completed product for just your first system.


Now here's the rub. You say you paid $75 to Victor to have 3 systems coded! I suggest to you that Victor was well aware of everything I have written above before taking on the job, and so could never possibly deliver on the contract for said amount.

If you seriously wanted Vic to code these up for you then you should have at least added a zero on the end of your $75. But for whatever reason, forum history shows that Vic's long standing record for delivering on promises is abysmal, so you probably dodged a bullet there.

Victor should not have taken such a token amount for such a mammoth task, and you should not have offered such a pittance to possibly earn a king's ransom.

In summary, you both deserve this outcome and each other.

This is all just my educated opinion of course, and nothing personal intended.


Whether the forum soon closes or not is beyond me.
 

[VLS]

I've paid 75$ to program 3 of my methods and on the way I've agreed to avail them with bet software pro to all forum members as long as the bot will work with Paddypower casino, 1 of the casinos I'm using online.

Hello dear Angelo, thanks again for your previous support. All of them before month's end or full refund as agreed

You've misunderstood, I think subscriptions come with more privileges than what's being offered for free.

Correct. Patreon rewards for $10/$20 provide priviledged access to Patrons + binding polls

I went to the homepage wanting to contribute to help the forum keep going but don't see a button to let me do so. Perhaps there should be an easy way for people to do so without any complications?

Thanks for your willingness to contribute dear Lungyeh. Our Patreon.com button's been added to the homepage

Same here Vic!  I could not find a button or a credit card/debit card payment button.  I do not do PayPal in the classical sens the way we used to, i can only do it like they do on Ebay or Amazon, using a regular credit card/debit card, I gave up my PayPal account years ago......

I get you regarding Paypal Glen. Uphold.com is where it's at these days.

Our BetSelection.cc domain has been renewed via uphold-issued credit card using bitcoin funds. It rocks!

it is not a misunderstanding, I have read and reread the said patron.com webpage. every weekend a program is given away so it makes 52 programs.

Correct Walter. As many free releases as the year has weeks. Either your proggie or one of Angelo's (as per the above) can be selected for week #41.

if I buy on Monday for $ 20 USD then it is selected on the weekend and now what I bought with my hard earned money is free for everyone so it has no value now.

That's debatable. Perhaps your concept of value is merely having something denied to others. To me and others actual value lies in having new releases available. Some folk don't really mind others to use the same release; they just want the program to exist.

A fellow's Copy+paste doesn't prevent you from using your own copy @ your computer. Wonderful, isn't it?

I was happy to receive my free program for next year but now the prediction is that the forum closes for not paying a trifle.

Thanks for your previous support. Please monitor our Patreon weekly space to snap a free copy of your program as soon as it's up for grabs.

Domain name is renewed by now so hopefully we can put the topic to bed

Thanks @ everyone for caring & participating 

Vic

[VLS]

Victor should not have taken such a token amount for such a mammoth task, and you should not have offered such a pittance to earn a king's ransom.

In summary, you both deserve this outcome and each other.

It's okay GG, it was agreed by two consenting adults so no harm

I'm not doing any further private coding. Angelo is basically one of very few folks who can claim former paid code to be cleared. I work several contracts at once on a rolling basis; my commitments get smashed on a regular basis too but we go by. I'm typing this @ 3:27 a.m. so I work crazy hours, have a crazy schedule and in the end try to do my best with my wake hours before I "Zombify".

Any case, private coding is behind. Once the Patreon idea starts collecting I see it ending-up as a part-timer. I resonate with Patreon since my actual dream is doing what I love by working to create for the world to enjoy. Our Patreon releases are specifically devoted to the public domain for this reason. I'm a "creator" at heart, just need the steady supporter fan base to make it viable. A stream of steady weekly releases sure helps to shape & show the level of commitment. As we build it, everyone benefits. Sweet deal for all of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwvUjAv6pxg

Whether the forum soon closes or not is beyond me.

It's already renewed so we can sing Happy Birthday. I decided to scratch the new domain to reboot our forum "in-place" here @ BetSelection.cc for a long-overdue face-lift / refreshment.

[Mike]

Greenguy pretty much summed it up. 

Non programmers are clueless when it comes to appreciating how much work goes into writing a complex program. According to them programming is just typing, lol. BlueAngel, if normy is asking for 100 euros to program your system you should pay it; it's cheap.

But for whatever reason, forum history shows that Vic's long standing record for delivering on promises is abysmal, so you probably dodged a bullet there.

Yeah. Those of use who have been around the forums a long time will remember one fiasco after another starting with the sale of VLSroulette to Steve, then rouletteforum, again to Steve, who is now the undisputed roulette forum mogul (four at the last count). But I guess we should cut Victor some slack because he's a nice guy and we do have him to thank for these forums, even if we don't like their current owner very much.

The Patron idea may be good for artists, musicians and other "creators", but it's a poor business model if what you're creating is roulette software which is designed to make money for the user. Most who frequent forums like this are just looking for a reliable way to make money from gambling, they are not "fans" of Victor the "artist" who want to support his work. Patreon is an absurdly bad fit in this case, and I don't know why Victor is so reluctant to simply put price tags on his software, perhaps he thinks it will lay him open to accusations of being a scammer if the software doen't "work".
If the software is "art" and he is an artist then the art is to be enjoyed for its own sake; it doesn't necessarily have to work, unlike a bridge which should at least not collapse, lol. 

[VLS]

Thanks for caring Mike. As our Patreon count rises, we can hopefully create our long overdue free BetSoftware to be the community's multi-casino no-cost bot. (Finally!).

I learned the one site per niche lesson so it's BetSelection.cc from now on.

Goal isn't to be the #1 forum in the world but to be a warm & cozy community for like-minded fellows to enjoy.

Once you leave all expansionist plans behind, life's more calm & so much better.

You can truly learn to prosper in peace like this

Vic

[Blue_Angel]

That's great news Vic, keep up the good job!

Greetings to Australia and America, I'm fully aware about the complexity of my methods and the insurmountable work needed in order to be done properly.
Victor has proposed me to do them for such low price, if it was even lower I would be even more happy, on the end it's more about time rather than money but I believe it worths the wait.

Last but not least, not everything for everyone, the roulette should never be consider as an easy money maker!
You have to do the extra mile and even then you could not be 100% sure for success!
Simple and effective in regards to roulette is like black and white, they are opposites, therefore you cannot have them both, a simple system like "wait for x to miss y spins..." will never work!
If the solution was something simple then it would has been discovered long time ago, unfortunately for the majority which looks for the easy buck it's far from truth!
There is not such thing as free lunch...we all pay in one way or the other!

[Mike]

Blue_Angel,

How long have you been making a full-time living from playing roulette?

[Blue_Angel]

Blue_Angel,

How long have you been making a full-time living from playing roulette?

2016, not so many years but I begun evolving seriously (much more time) from 2010.
For 6 years I've losses but thankfully other income sources and my resolute personality helped me not to give up and eventually find what I was looking for.
This was a very slow and gradual progress which didn't make me jump up and down from happiness like I'd have won the lottery...it took much time and money, it was expected and I deserved it.