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Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2018, 03:41:38 PM »
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  • Snowman: "That's why I never claim that I can predict randomness. You don't need to predict anything. You just have to know what characteristics of normal random events look like. Nobody can tell when a trend will start, end, or continue. Yet those three things happen all day long. But what is real interesting is how expectation has an effect on people in a form of a kind of blinding them. If you can't predict something, you should never fall into the trap of expecting a thing to happen, except in cases where a different skill like VB or apparatus defects may be considered. But leaving out those skills, expectation is a trap. But then there is this: You can guess until your guesses are in sink with win streaks. At that point you are still just blindly guessing, but your sequence of guesses can fall into a perfect 100% pattern with your winning bets. You can still do well in a casino if your bets/guesses are just running at 80%. It all comes down to being agile enough to hit the good streak harder than the bad streaks. For that you need to use your brains. Stupid people should leave the difficult stuff to the smart ones. Everybody wants to get on the expectation band wagon. They want an easy win. And that is why sharing what works is not really that dangerous to those of us that can do it. D. Sir is not worried about sharing his expertise. It's a highly refined skill. It has to be."

    Excellent! 

    Expect the random and pounce on the unexpected random when it comes along, large and hard!
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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #46 on: March 12, 2018, 12:29:23 AM »
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  • Gizmotron & Alrelax,

    You both have valid points.  We cant predict the next outcome and we should pounce on the streaks when they happen.

    I would like to offer another point of view to be considered.

    I cannot predict the next spin will be a Red or Black, or the next hand will be Banker or Player.  I dont think anyone can predict what the next spin/hand will be.

    Therefore, I dont deal in single spin bet selections, they dont work so I use Group of Spins.

    When you play B & M roulette or baccarat, a usual 8-10 hour session provides 200-500 spins or hands. When my bot plays on line the usual 8-10 hour session is 2,000 -3000 spins/hands.

    This is one use of a Group of Spins.  During a normal session I get to see many more streaks, many longer streaks and many more opportunities to use my bet selection.  I am more likely to hit my targets during one session than most B & M players would hit in 2 weeks.

    Another use for Group of Spins is in bet selection.  A 9 spin group can use the VDW as a base for the bet selection.  This proven Math theorem basically says that in 9 spins either a Red or Black will form an AP (Arithmetic Progression).

    Does it win all the time in 9 spins?  No, of course not. I cannot predict at which spin the AP will be formed, it could be anywhere from the 3rd spin to the 9th.  But I can say, it will usually win most of the time at some point.

    A bet selection based on VDW rides every streak automatically.  You never have to worry about when to start or stop.

    Using a solid, mechanical Math and Statistical bet selection reduces the chance for error.
     
    Do we win all the time, No, but we are more likely to win.

    Cheers
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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #47 on: March 12, 2018, 04:37:06 AM »
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  • 8 to 10 with hour session is huge!  Usually 1 or 2 shoes maybe 3.

    Not just streaks by any means!   Just as much great money can be obtained by wagering with the weak!
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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #48 on: March 12, 2018, 08:31:12 AM »
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  • Nickmsi, First off I get an average of 30 spins per hour at the B&M. My hardest session, to reach my three net win goal, was 4 hours. I can often reach my win goal in 30 to 40 minutes or less. I can tell you absolutely for sure that I will get fatigued after a 4 hour session. I'd be done for the day. I used to play for the long ten hour sessions. It just makes me susceptible to making lazy mistakes.


    I no longer wait for the big streaks. I see what I'm looking for in the chaos. Remember, I'm swing trading on the candle stick movement of the little swings that go on and on all day long.


    All I do is start out guarded that my effectiveness is not starting out in a free fall state. There is always a perfect killer sequence of randomness that takes out continuing conditions on the first actual bet placed. That free fall can last for several spins in a row. That perfect harmony causes the free fall situation. I can't avoid it. So I play as if it too is a natural condition of randomness. I expect the killer sequence to make a short visit. Every loss could be an indication that the free fall condition is starting. I just place a no value, virtual bet in my chart for each bet until it subsides. You can see when a free fall ends. Then you go back to swing trading the Roulette table.


    Some times I get to play Rapid Roulette at the casinos that have it. In that case there is a spin every minute. So you get 60 spins per hour. What I do is easy for me. But I trained myself to see trends, patterns, and layered trend formations of the same characteristics. So what I do is easy on my brain. The casino can't stop a trend formation from occurring in the randomness. The basic sleeping dozen or streak of singles using the three dozen's of a grouping is so common that you can see the larger picture so easy that it's almost laughable when everyone does not see it. To me it's free money. To everyone else it is whatever their interests are. They are not focused on randomness, or patterns. That's like you. You have a bot that does all the thinking for you. I wrote an AI bot for my school so that it would demonstrate how I make selections. I did it so I would not have to get deep in the weeds giving out examples. People wanted real examples. I always wanted to do it too, so I did. It only looks for two characteristics and does very basic swing trading. But it makes the point. It's not a mindless set of rules. It looks out for bad streaks. I do way better than it too. So I hit my goal by win streaks or by chaotic natural change formations. That might sound like a bunch of hog wash. But you all should know this. I'm prepared to win because of an acquired skill set. I also know that by taking a small amount off of many different casinos and I will fly under their radar. You can take a thousand off a casino in small chunks without them batting an eye. A bot doing that too many times is going to draw attention.
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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #49 on: March 13, 2018, 02:37:59 PM »
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  • Someone I know wrote this:


    "Being thoroughly invested in what one is doing means identifying with ones state, which implies knowing what ones actual experience or situation is, and since nothing remains static, this also means identifying with the flow of ones states, trusting in the current of life (Yontef, 1993). As a figure of interest emerges from the situational background, the person identifies with that figure and becomes so invested, so immersed in it, that the background drops away and out of awareness (Perls, Hefferline, & Goodman, 1951)even though it is always there to offer context for the interpretation of experience."
    "...IT'S AGAINST THE LAW TO BREAK THE LAW OF AVERAGES." 

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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #50 on: April 12, 2018, 04:12:33 PM »
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  • We can't  beat random.
    We can't catch streaks.
    We can't predict when a streak will start or stop.

    We can't, but we can know when the random show itself up,
    And we can KNOW WHEN the streaks run...
    HOW?
    EASY!
    the answer, ...(drumroll)
    (hold your breath, the answer, worth your lifetime bank saving.)






    JUST WAIT AND WATCHING THEM RUN..
    (.HA! HA! HA!HAWW! HAWWWWW!....)

    Oop! Sorry for LOL!
    Yeah, the answer is ,
    Just wait and watch them RUN!
    Yes, SERIOUSLY, that the answer...

    If you understand, you will now jump up and hit the ceiling,  and can't sleep tonight,
    for you found what you seek in you whole internet forum life...

    Hello? Is this thing on?
    Am I the only guy on here that defy's all what you are saying?

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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #51 on: April 12, 2018, 04:15:35 PM »
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  • Just remember this too. You must know how to get out of a trend as well. The first loss is an indicator that a perfect trend is coming to an end, UNLESS you are in a trend that is a dominance typed trend. A dominance formation is when you get a long streak of a thing with very few losses peppered in along the way. This kind of thing might have a signal that only one loss occurs at a time while riding the dominate wave. So in that case 2 losses in a row might signal the end of the streak. If you have hammered the casino already then consider yourself as being in the right place at the right time. Accept that the streak will have it's own unique ending. Accept good enough. It's what you came for. Don't let the ending of a streak take back all your progress. Become an experienced expert at watching how trends and streaks end.

    Disclaimer: I have yet to prove I can beat a casino 100 % of the time.

    Hello? Are you sure about that?

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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #52 on: April 12, 2018, 04:53:28 PM »
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  • Hello? Are you sure about that?


    This might fit here: "This is something that someone tried to pass off as real. He said "...but the beginning and the end of a trend is known afterwards." That's a true statement but is not the whole objective truth. The fact is I base all my bet selection options on the middle of a trend, while it is occurring. On each spin I have a 63% chance to win as it is an independent event. Those are the real odds before I get the results. The trend or the very fact that a trend is not occurring are only excuses to make bet selections from. The trend does not make the win/loss, the good/bad streaks occur. Making bets, irregardless of them being good bets or bad bets creates the win/loss record. I just happen to know that I get less back to back losses if I keep track of the randomness characteristics as opposed to just blind guessing. If I take my mind off of the search for trends I get very few win streaks. But that does not matter anyway. The mathBoyz like to think that nobody has control over what happens. I can beat this game with any bet selection technique as long as I keep track of the wL lists. I could just bet on the numbers 1 thru 24 only and make a winning system out of the candlesticks it would produce in a graph. I know when I'm in the middle of a streak. On the next spin I can tell if I'm still in the middle or in fact that the streak ended. Not all streaks end the same too. There are things like domination that are peppered with few losses while still being winning streaks. So it's smart to acknowledge that there are also middles to streaks. It's possible to live in the middle. In my game guesses only have a 37% chance of ending on each independent event. "
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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #53 on: April 12, 2018, 05:58:00 PM »
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  • This might fit here: "This is something that someone tried to pass off as real. He said "...but the beginning and the end of a trend is known afterwards." That's a true statement but is not the whole objective truth. The fact is I base all my bet selection options on the middle of a trend, while it is occurring. On each spin I have a 63% chance to win as it is an independent event. Those are the real odds before I get the results. The trend or the very fact that a trend is not occurring are only excuses to make bet selections from. The trend does not make the win/loss, the good/bad streaks occur. Making bets, irregardless of them being good bets or bad bets creates the win/loss record. I just happen to know that I get less back to back losses if I keep track of the randomness characteristics as opposed to just blind guessing. If I take my mind off of the search for trends I get very few win streaks. But that does not matter anyway. The mathBoyz like to think that nobody has control over what happens. I can beat this game with any bet selection technique as long as I keep track of the wL lists. I could just bet on the numbers 1 thru 24 only and make a winning system out of the candlesticks it would produce in a graph. I know when I'm in the middle of a streak. On the next spin I can tell if I'm still in the middle or in fact that the streak ended. Not all streaks end the same too. There are things like domination that are peppered with few losses while still being winning streaks. So it's smart to acknowledge that there are also middles to streaks. It's possible to live in the middle. In my game guesses only have a 37% chance of ending on each independent event. "

    Yes Mark, pretty much 'spot-on' more times than not, IMO.  And yes, about the beginning and ending.

    I would apply what I wrote about and found more reliable than anything else out there, "Identifiable Events" and apply it along with what you outlined.  But when you feel it is there for whatever reason, that is the time to stick with it, whatever it is doing.  Remove oneself and put yourself into the shoe and tune out the rest of the expert players in their armchair quarterbacking, etc. 

    When it happens, what you outlined along with how I transpose myself into a shoe at certain times, those are the times I can rack up those $8k to $20k or better sections of win.  And very possibly I am only comforting myself when I do that, like the other week with the $40k plus win I showed on here for 3 days, but if I don't then all I am doing is sitting there with a bunch of others with their heads in their hands and flipping coins for total chaos. 
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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #54 on: April 12, 2018, 06:33:07 PM »
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  • Excellent! 

    Expect the random and pounce on the unexpected random when it comes along, large and hard!

    As the title says Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?

    simple answer. And laugh if you like but it's very true. I've created a Partner betting strategy all owing two players or one player to bet a Progression on BOTH SIDES.

    Advantages include:
    1) You're already in the streak that is about to occur on both sides.
    2) Random also has patterns form and by covering both sides you're also covered for the trends that are about to occur.
    3) Increase your wins by 1 unit and cover your opposite bet for a minimum unit after every win and same for the opposite.
    4) Treat both sides as independent sides and the only thing you need to worry about is setting up loss limits and hand limits per session and per table.
    5) By playing both sides you can never go to infinity, so you need to set a win goal for each session.

    I've tested my theory back in 2013 and still do the same to this day in 2018. It works while others will laugh at you for playing both sides.

    Trick is to hide your winnings away from other players views and while they laugh, you're cashing out more than $1000.00 per day.

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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #55 on: April 12, 2018, 08:23:22 PM »
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  • Varmenti; Do you play this Partner Betting Strategy at all games, Craps, Roulette and Baccarat ?

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    « Reply #56 on: April 13, 2018, 04:33:50 AM »
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  • Just baccarat because there is no other way to lose a both bets.

    However you can incorporate it with Craps playing the Pass and Don't pass (No need to pay the 5% commission like baccarat but the twelve is still there to wipe off one of the bets if it come.

    Baccarat also has the higher runs from both sides so either way, by betting both sides, you're in the Trending streak from the start.

    Forget roulette because the 0/00 will wipe out both bets and also in Sic Bo game the triple wipes out both Big/Small bets.


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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #57 on: April 13, 2018, 04:50:36 PM »
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  • Varmenti: can you explain in more detail rule 3??? A little confusing, not sure what your doing there...thanks much!!!! ???

    What are  your loss limits per side? i.e, if you get a run, say of 6 bankers, how much are you betting on player?

    Thanks again.... 8)

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    « Reply #58 on: April 13, 2018, 05:13:21 PM »
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  • Most runs in baccarat, craps or roulette usually end in 3 or less...........which makes playing both sides difficult to turn a profit...............you have to need a long run of at least 5 or 6 to show a profit.

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    Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
    « Reply #59 on: April 14, 2018, 04:08:17 PM »
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  • Hi BW, I am happy to explain 2 Spin Bet Selection further.

    Basically what 2 spin bet selection can do is:

    1.   Allows more streaks to be bet on
    2.   Allows more precise entry point to start betting
    3.   Allows longer streaks to be bet on

    A SINGLE SPIN (or hand for baccarat fans) produces 2 results:

    R
    B

    1.   You only have 2 streaks to bet on, either R or B.
    2.   The biggest problem with single spin is that you dont know when to enter the     streak?  Does a streak of Red start with the first R, the second or third?
    3.   The streaks usually last about 10-15 bets.

    A 2 SPIN bet selection produces 4 results:

    RR
    BB
    RB
    BR

    1.   You now have 4 Streaks to bet on.
    2.   You start betting against the longest sleeping couplet.
    3.   Streaks last for about 20-30 bets.

    The easiest way to see what a 2 spin bet selection can do is to play around with the attached Excel sheet.  This sheet tracks the sleeping couplets and shows you what to bet on.

    It also shows a graph of each 1,000 spins so you can see how stable a flat betting EC can be. Simply press F9 to see another 1,000 spin RNG result.

    This is not a holy grail but it is one way to handle Random and Streaks.

    Enjoy
    Nick
    This looks a lot like (or exactly like) "Pairs" by I forget who.  You can bet the sleeping pair OR the dominant pair OR the pair that looks llike it is catching up.