Does this book have any value ?

Quote from: warrior on July 26, 2014, 12:09:18 AM
Does this book have any value ?

No.

I can`t believe how a mathematician could state this Gamblers Fallacy

Hello ybot

Can you please further outline what you mean by your last post so that further discussion can follow. Rinzler expressed a closed mind attitude a year ago, but the work of Dr Blakey actually has been shown to be valuable and he was a genuine very successful professional roulette player based in Melbourne. Martin corresponded with many over his approach to roulette. In recent weeks I have been contacted by several who are his former students and a new thread will be established to review his work.

For some reason there have been several Forum members over the years who have been particularly  polarised by his approach, and have attacked  him personally. It was on that basis that I wrote on the original BetForum.cc website to defend a respected  senior player who did not deserve the libelous and fraudulent accusations from trolls and mischief makers that actually contributed to the stormy early demise of that website. I note it is now to be re-floated.

There may be some valuable practical lessons to be learned from the late Dr Blakey's work, and with an open mind we can examine what has value and what may not. No one can deny that Martin was a colourful and refreshing character when he first came on the scene in the 1980's, and it was he who showed in a blaze of self publicity that roulette could be beaten and that a professional life playing roulette could be sustained. He achieved it but does he satisfactorily demonstrate how others could? That is a debate ongoing. Writers such as Jason Chan have shown that with intelligence and appropriate application that is possible.

From my own professional point of view I am open to take a fresh look at this subject (on my Blog section) but will not accept and tolerate the offensive views of troublemakers, and naysayers. I expect there will positives and negatives in the course of the new thread but we can steer to utilise the best principles, and identify the flaws and risks.

Thanks ybot for your timely question and I will start this work in August with a fresh appraisal.

If you don't mind I would like to know the name of the book.

Hi xxvv,
I was not pretending to offend any member.
As an AP I know that no mathematical system will suceed long term.
MB systems is one of it.
Probably MB was a player, I doubt he won long term with his technique explained in his book.
Without an edge you cannot stand years of play.
I am not polarased, I felt I should tell that we cannot win this way.
Surely, MB was a prominent and nice professor in Australia and other places, to win at roulette you need much more.
I apologize in case I was unpolite in my comments
warm regards

Hi ybot

Thanks for most conciliatory note. I really respect that. No offence was intended or taken.

However the facts are that Dr Blakey was a full time professional player and as verified by various sources played at Melbourne Casino daily and in one of the VIP Rooms. He was accompanied sometimes by others who have corresponded with me directly.

Thus despite theoretical expectations the way he played more often than not resulted in wins. Sometimes he lost, or nearly lost, but that means he won or broke even. More often than not, being brutally honest, he won, but he could handle and mitigate defeat. It is NOT easy to teach that.

Now is not the time or place to go into MB methodology really fully, but I do intend to within my Blog Section, probably next month. There is already much MB material there but we can renew and review it thanks to at least two others who did have direct tuition from MB, and we can clarify extra detail. Also I invite Jason Chan to join the party if he is available, or any others who wish to share.

Also those who question or disagree are invited to join, but will have to be literate than a one syllable negative. No abuse or libel will be tolerated and will be edited out by me.

My own position is neutral and objective. I will be critical of inconsistencies and will describe how some students were left scratching their heads. If you teach you have a responsibility to be clear and articulate, whether you charge or not.

Above all I want to understand how he beat the game. I think I know but want to go into this in more detail. That can help me, and you. It may be that his technique was more than just mathematical, or an adaptation thereof. When we are in times where Moore's Law has shown the acceleration of knowledge, but that in some fields ( such as mobile communications doubling of present value was achieved in months not years, consistently, and was not understood by most professionals. Today in neuro-plasticity research and in other areas of medicine growth is exponential and through overlaps achieves even greater acceleration. Why in this context of our time when 'knowledge' and 'understanding' is constantly challenged do you make closed statements - most unwise.

However MB is the one man who developed my passion for the game as a worthwhile activity ( ie one could win) when he colourfully  illustrated his success as described in his campaigns at Launceston. He self published and for some reason some seem to be very jealous and upset over the published material. There were other writers but he sold his book in the lobby of Jupiters.

I can tell you as I had direct correspondence with Crown Casino after his untimely death, that Martin was hugely respected as a successful professional who brought credit to the game and the casino for the manner in which he behaved and the casino management behaved.

Compare that to some recent shocking publicity about US high rollers. I found the same when I played at Casinos Austria and Sky City - at times some players behaved in a manner drunken, aggressive and obnoxious. They were losing. Winners do not behave like that. They gratefully accept their good fortune, their well earned skill and timing, cash in and depart suavely.

MB always did that, as did my two professional mentors in roulette. One played at Jupiters, the other at the Ritz and Sky City and Christchurch Casino when it first opened and that was where I met him at the tables.

The best times you remember, value and celebrate, usually through really colourful and harmonious interaction. That is the delight of live casinos.

Thanks ybot for your post, and look forward to further correspondence down the line.

Best
R.

Hi xxvv, nice to read your posts
To be a pro gambler takes to have got an actual advantage over the house or other regular gamblers
I believe, you, as being australian too are closer to his work, as well as Jason Chan
Few mathematicians/phisicics have become AP , I guess
Maths and physics matter the most in being a succesful professional roulette player. It saves time and money.
Knowledge is treasure

Warm regards