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XXVV

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I'd like to personally thank you for your support against the ridiculous claims of Caleb Johnson.
However, it wasn't necessary because I've encountered his situation numerous times across different forums and I've learned that such person cannot be considered seriously.
Every time I'm reading his posts which are directed against what I'm doing and what I believe, I'm laughing so hard that tears rolling on my cheek! 

Dear Rich, I want you to know that there are people who admire your work, so encourage you to contribute further and eventually leave a heritage of knowledge for the generations to come.

The General/Caleb/Real is allowed to break rules left and right on Roulette.cc because Steve uses him as an attack dog/sh*t stirrer to get more attention for the forum. Kav has a similar relationship with Reyth on Roulette30.

Steve has shown that the forums are his primary stream of income with Roulette, and not the "computers" that he claims to sell.

To this day, nobody has come forward with a review of any of Steve's hardware or software..........and he owns most of the Roulette forums.........

Quote from: TheLaw on September 03, 2016, 12:40:24 AM
Steve has shown that the forums are his primary stream of income with Roulette, and not the "computers" that he claims to sell.

It would be more accurate to say that the forums are what he uses to 'capture' prospective purchasers of his computers and systems. He doesn't get income directly from forums. And I agree, it's odd that there have been no reviews of his wares, although it could be that he asks clients to sign a non-disclosure agreement.

@ XXVV,

I think it's unfair to characterize members as 'cynical', 'nihilist', 'children' etc because they happen to agree with the universally recognized mathematical facts regarding roulette and are merely asking for some evidence that they don't exclusively apply. You, Gizmo, and other 'enlightened' members on the forums may well have 'overthrown' the accepted wisdom, but it's merely an assertion; there is and never has been the slightest evidence that any of these theories actually have any merit or reflect reality.

What gets me is that you continually drag in 'scientific' concepts in an attempt to confer some kind of validity by association. A case in point:

QuoteSuch is the case regarding Cluster Analysis in roulette where individual spin outcomes, although independent, are also inter-connected. Both - this seems hard for some to grasp, yet such is a characteristic of Quantum Mechanics in our real world.

What, in the name of Jehovah, does Quantum Mechanics have to do with roulette and independent outcomes? Just how can outcomes be simultaneously independent and inter-connected?

Answers to basic questions are always evaded by you guys. Such questions always put you either on the defensive or the offensive. Is it any wonder readers are suspicious of your motives, even when you're not openly touting for business? (as Gizmo and Albalaha both are).

QuoteTo this day, nobody has come forward with a review of any of Steve's hardware or software

QuoteAnd I agree, it's odd that there have been no reviews of his wares, although it could be that he asks clients to sign a non-disclosure agreement.

1. Yes all my players submit NDAs.

2. Perhaps you arent aware of this:

Not everyone is able to visit me for a personal demonstration. So I had my roulette computer openly tested by a well-respected, trusted and neutral member of the roulette community who everyone knew would give an honest evaluation.

The requirements of the person doing the test were:

* Competent and knowledgeable enough to conduct testing. The tester needs to understand how to conduct proper testing

* Well known and widely trusted. The purpose of the test is for a widely trusted individual to report findings.

Initially the roulette community chose two particular individuals who were both sent a free roulette computer for testing, but neither had time to do the testing. So the computers were sent back, and everyone selected another individual named Ronjo.

The full forum thread with all details of the public demonstration is at www.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1220826187/ – it is a long read but you can read the summary of Ronjo's findings below:

Ronjo's Comments About The Testing:

QuoteSteve's claims are correct about the Diamond hits and I had predictions within a three pocket arc several times and within a six pocket arc as well,and hits more than 50% on one half of the wheel. I did not have a direct hit on one number, but I had a hit on the next pocket to the predicted number three times in fifteen plays,in my opinion that is close enough. So to recap in fifteen spins I had a three pocket arc hit three times, a seven pocket arc hit five times the rest were losses or they were out of the three and seven pocket range but in half the wheel. This pattern kept on repeating in my testing.quote2

Steve's explanation is correct on my testing. The different diamond test was done and is correct and that the prediction was within a three pocket arc, the first spin and several others as the sample spin gets updated and deals with errors, as below as per quote that there were no predictions as the tolerance got tighter which is better than getting a poor prediction. I tested the whole DVD and as the sample was updated I got the same results. I was very impressed with the accuracy of the predictions, where I got predictions in a three pocket arc and a seven pocket arc and over 50% of half the wheel within the three pocket arc.

facts are facts and some people find it a problem to accept them.

everything Steve says in his explanation is correct.you guys need to read his post carefully as it must be kept in mind that we only focused on one particular diamond and we are getting a 1 in 5 hit rate and it was not only the fifteen spins that has been mentioned, this pattern repeated over the 100 spins and was consistent.

everyone, Steve is no scammer and has contributed a lot on RR a few years back and helped me a lot.

I can assure you that what I tested was legit, and keep in mind that I was testing on one particular diamond for  testing purposes, I could have tested any other diamond but we tested only one,and the test was not to test predicted numbers but only a diamond,and sorry to say the test was accurate.quote2

And to cap it all, Steve Hourmouzis put me in contact with one of his players here in my country and we met up and discussed the computer and he was getting very good results. I can not let out what we discussed, but I can tell you that you would have to be very serious about playing this way and if applied correctly with timing in placing your bets you would do very well, that's all I can tell you.

So unless you have had first hand experience I think it would be wise and best to stay out of the politics concerning Steve's computer. So guys let's let the man get on with his business,and unless you have the computer let's get on with this challenge. Jackal check this out my testing is there read it carefully.

As I have said I have met up with one of Steve's players and he is not this imaginary player we have created, he is for real, and we have results from real casino plays and  discussed the computer in length and I am satisfied if applied properly we have a good edge against the casinos and that is final.

So I have done group public demos (even recordings on my site), given my computer for free testing to a respected forum member, offer a free trial at www.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/

Plus anyone can even test all they want for free, or even see a demo via live webcam, on any wheel they want. What else am I supposed to do to demonstrate honesty?

I don't deal with anything other than direct proof and verifiable physics. It is very easy for anyone to find the truth.  It's just that most people don't bother to look. Besides its easier to believe rubbish from people who have a personal vendetta against me. I have better things to do than to constantly refute lies about me. For every 20 attacks against me, I respond to perhaps one of them. Again the facts are easy for anyone to find, if you look.

Quote from: Mike on September 03, 2016, 08:53:04 AM
What, in the name of Jehovah, does Quantum Mechanics have to do with roulette and independent outcomes? Just how can outcomes be simultaneously independent and inter-connected?

Answers to basic questions are always evaded by you guys. Such questions always put you either on the defensive or the offensive. Is it any wonder readers are suspicious of your motives, even when you're not openly touting for business? (as Gizmo and Albalaha both are).

I've have boldly put a price on something that actually works, because it's worth it a hundred times over. In a way that is a kind of free. It's just free if you can see that an education that returns far more in rewards must come at a price. My fee of $200 is just high enough to weed out the non-interested. It also serves the other purpose of answering your question. A small army of successful players using it, thus proving that more than one person can master the skill, is the way I wish to let the truth be known. And once that happens it will have always been the truth.


Now to your, so called scientific question. I'm sure once you get my answer you will ignore the fact that you ever asked it. In the game of Blackjack the cards are connected because the deck is reduced in size after each hand. This is known scientifically as variable change. There are less cards for the next hand, and the cards that are missing can be known if you pay attention to them as they are used. Some refer to this, clumsily, as the game having a memory.


That brings us to the game of Roulette that does not throw out slots on the wheel after each spin. The mechanical random number generator has the same number of slots for each spin. It has the exact same odds for each spin. It's funny how independence minded neo-pseudo-scientists around here hang their hats on independence and then come right at everyone with the non-independence minded conglomeration of multiple events, spins, that are combined to form a notion of an iron clad probability declaration. How do you get to use combined spins to extort the existence of the long term odds if there is no such thing beyond independence? Your kind thinks that probability is an exact science and so you tend to be dogmatic referring to it. It's convenient for you, so you lean on it heavy, but when it turns on you with your biased confirmation skills you always find a way to do a pretzel maneuver and escape the argument as if it never occurred. I have found that to be a consistency that never seems to stop happening on these gambling forums over the past ten years. Perhaps they are connected by some cause too.


A 30 spin perfect pattern is a combination of 30 perfectly executed independent outcomes of a balanced and fair mechanical random number generator. But did it ever exist if it was never observed? If it did happen it was a coincidence of randomness and by no outside cause and nothing more. Because it happened, and was observed by a person skilled enough to exploit it, that person, by only existing, made it real. Those 30 combined spins became a single thing in the mind of the skilled craftsman. The odds of it occurring have no effect on the fact that it did in fact occur. Odds can't predict the future in the next 150 spins. They can only suggest a value that borders on infinity in the long run. Remember, the notion of long termed odds, based on probability studies, they are the combinations of independent events, if this science is to be forever ensconced in stone that is.


If your argument is that independent events are the proof that Roulette spins are not connected, then why connect them to prove that the odds are connected? It's just a convenient argument when it suits you and is to be ignored when it does not, is that it? Your post-modern attitude does not impress me at all. Your subjective reasoning does not support the facts. Try to give me an objective example that challenges what I just showed you in this post. Stand up for your beliefs this time. Don't run and hide like they all do.

If anyone has a system that worked, the best way to profit is have others use it for you, and you split profits. But it must be done in a way to keep the actual system secret, if it's at all possible. That's exactly what I do with my best method (hybrid computer). Any serious player can get it free, and pay only later from winnings and IF they win. They don't actually receive the computer - they access it remotely. The calculation server runs via the internet.

Anyway my point is everyone assumes someone with the HG will just use it themselves. There's a limit to what one person can win. The limit is much larger when there are teams of players.

Quote from: Steve H on September 03, 2016, 10:33:46 AM
1. Yes all my players submit NDAs.

2. Perhaps you arent aware of this:

Not everyone is able to visit me for a personal demonstration. So I had my roulette computer openly tested by a well-respected, trusted and neutral member of the roulette community who everyone knew would give an honest evaluation.

The requirements of the person doing the test were:

* Competent and knowledgeable enough to conduct testing. The tester needs to understand how to conduct proper testing

* Well known and widely trusted. The purpose of the test is for a widely trusted individual to report findings.

Initially the roulette community chose two particular individuals who were both sent a free roulette computer for testing, but neither had time to do the testing. So the computers were sent back, and everyone selected another individual named Ronjo.

The full forum thread with all details of the public demonstration is at www.rouletteforum.net/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1220826187/ – it is a long read but you can read the summary of Ronjo's findings below:

Ronjo's Comments About The Testing:

So I have done group public demos (even recordings on my site), given my computer for free testing to a respected forum member, offer a free trial at www.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/

Plus anyone can even test all they want for free, or even see a demo via live webcam, on any wheel they want. What else am I supposed to do to demonstrate honesty?

I don't deal with anything other than direct proof and verifiable physics. It is very easy for anyone to find the truth.  It's just that most people don't bother to look. Besides its easier to believe rubbish from people who have a personal vendetta against me. I have better things to do than to constantly refute lies about me. For every 20 attacks against me, I respond to perhaps one of them. Again the facts are easy for anyone to find, if you look.

Why the demonstration didn't took place inside a casino?
Why there were not more than one individuals to test it?
Who is this Ronjo anyway?

Quote from: Mike on September 03, 2016, 08:53:04 AM
I think it's unfair to characterize members as 'cynical', 'nihilist', 'children' etc because they happen to agree with the universally recognized mathematical facts regarding roulette and are merely asking for some evidence that they don't exclusively apply. You, Gizmo, and other 'enlightened' members on the forums may well have 'overthrown' the accepted wisdom, but it's merely an assertion; there is and never has been the slightest evidence that any of these theories actually have any merit or reflect reality.

And once my Ai, artificial intelligence, machine is fully validated by inspection of the open-source supplied source code and is publicly peer reviewed by experts, that evidence will then exist. And once it is accepted as the truth, it will have always been the truth.

Quote from: Gizmotron on September 03, 2016, 11:17:21 AM

And once my Ai, artificial intelligence, machine is fully validated by inspection of the open-source supplied source code and is publicly peer reviewed by experts, that evidence will then exist. And once it is accepted as the truth, it will have always been the truth.

Even Spike could confirm this, he has 72% prediction accuracy for EC's, the fact that he doesn't fully comprehend how he's achieving this it's irrelevant.
If he has some kind of psychic powers, like precognition for example, could probability condemn him too as a loser?!

QuoteWhy the demonstration didn't took place inside a casino?
Why there were not more than one individuals to test it?
Who is this Ronjo anyway?

Ronjo was around way before you. He was well known & respected by the roulette community.

Read what Ronjo said about meeting with one of my players from his country, and results from real casinos.

Well originally I sent a free computer to TWO people but neither had time to test. But how many people do you want me to send free computers to? How much time do you want me to waste refuting garbage about me and my computers...especially when anyone can just see and test them free for themselves. How many more group public demos should I do? I have better things to do, like manage my teams. Again the information and proof is all out there. All anyone needs to do is just look at it.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 03, 2016, 11:39:08 AM
Even Spike could confirm this, he has 72% prediction accuracy for EC's, the fact that he doesn't fully comprehend how he's achieving this it's irrelevant.
If he has some kind of psychic powers, like precognition for example, could probability condemn him too as a loser?!

Spike had nothing but a bluff.

He was only ever looking for suckers.

How do I know?.. I'm greenguy, that's how.

Initially the roulette community chose two particular individuals who were both sent a free roulette computer for testing, but neither had time to do the testing. So the computers were sent back

LOL!..what a cock up!

...everyone selected another individual named Ronjo.

LOL! Ronjo is ancient history. The friggin' cheat computer has been reversed engineered a whole lot since then. Probably needs a new test. Also, Ronjo was a bit of a drop kick in the end.

Greenguy, hows it goin?

Basic computers have been studied by casinos, and even the basic ones are recognized as a threat. Why do you think they watch you closely if you bet late? You can even beat wheels with basic visual ballistics if you know what you'er doing. No casino staff has ever evaluated my hybrid.  I have full control over it because I can see where it is being used, who is using it, the wheel, results etc. I see the live video feed always.

Anyway, the mk7 wheel model is exactly the same when the tests were done. It's still the huxley current model. Besides like i said, anyone can test for free. Do you really want to argue the point? Anyone can test easily with my permission

Quote from: greenguy on September 03, 2016, 11:52:18 AM
Spike had nothing but a bluff.

He was only ever looking for suckers.

How do I know?.. I'm greenguy, that's how.

Even Coco the gorilla knows it...

Quote from: Blue_Angel on September 03, 2016, 12:07:44 PM
Even Coco the gorilla knows it...