Chingy ideas.


Is anyone else following Chingy711 Red/Black threads over at RouletteForum.Net?


Here is a flavour of the discussion.


http://www.rouletteforum.com/viewforum/35/
follow "The Question" thread.


Plus here


http://www.rouletteforum.com/viewforum/36/
The Ching-A-Ling Strategy

Hi Chrisbis,
It's interesting debate and idea. I modified the progression to work for low value bets on live low limit autowheel over 3 levels and reached a target of £2 easily enough in a few spins without going above Level 1 at any time. Even with the 2 backup levels the whole bankroll can be under £35. (GBP)
Providing the wins keep coming could be profitable as he says...
A.

Chrisbis,




The whole idea was published as two books a few years back under the name maximum advantage roulette. Search for Maximum advantage roulette PDF download in google and you will get it.

Totally Agree, Bing.
I thought the progression sounded familiar - but is not a bad idea with the tweaks you suggested.
As a matter of fact, I've checked out a few of Martin Silverthorne's books just lately: Checkmate, Knockout, CCBT, Jagger roulette - and they are good reads and all about trend catching using either FTL, DBL, opp of DBL and so on in various configurations. Yes, you can win but as always when the dreaded LLR arrives you can wipe out lots of gains...
Like you say its 50-50 - but if you can judge the streaks of series and chops right then....?

I had an idea about that some time ago which might be worth another look to go with that progression:
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9456.msg78957#msg78957

A.

Quote from: Atlantis on June 17, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
As a matter of fact, I've checked out a few of Martin Silverthorne's books just lately: Checkmate, Knockout, CCBT, Jagger roulette - and they are good reads and all about trend catching using either FTL, DBL, opp of DBL and so on in various configurations. Yes, you can win but as always when the dreaded LLR arrives you can wipe out lots of gains...

I used to follow the books to the dots and lines few years back. But after learning it the hard way have a strong conclusion that you can succeed if you understand the concepts and use it when it is supposed to be used!

Quote from: Atlantis on June 17, 2013, 10:01:57 AM
I had an idea about that some time ago which might be worth another look to go with that progression:
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9456.msg78957#msg78957

A.

Nice way of simplifying the approach to chops and series. What is your success rate with this method. Does it hold up?

Hi GreatGrampa,

Well I think it might do better using as a 5/5 Angle... ie restrict bets to 5 and use Chinga's progression...

I reduce Chinga's formula for bettting at 0.10 units as follows to play on live low limit autowheel:

Level 1: 40p-60p-80p-£1-£1.20-£1.40.    Lose up by 20p; win down by 10p
Level 2: 80p-£1.20-£1.60-£2-£2.40-£2.80.     Lose up by 40p; win down by 20p
Level 3: £1.20-£1.80-£2.40-£3-£3.60-£4.20.     Lose up by 60p; win down by 30p
(On 2 consecutive wins back to start of level)

TOTAL BANK = £32.30

But then again you don't need to stick strictly to the levels as I show...
Here is example spins:

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B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L0.40               -0.40
B - L0.60               -1.00
R - W0.80              -0.20
B - W0.70              +0.50
R - W0.40              +0.90
R 
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W0.40            +1.30
R - W0.30            +1.60
R - L0.40              +1.20
B - W0.60            +1.80
R - W0.50            +2.30
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L0.40             +1.90
R - W0.60            +2.50
B - W0.50            +3.00
B - L0.40             +2.60
R - W0.60            +3.20
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
B - L0.40             +2.80
B - W0.60            +3.40
R - L-50               +2.90
R - W+70             +3.60
R - W+60             +4.20
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40              +4.60
R - W0.30              +4.90
R - W0.40              +5.30
R - W0.30              +5.60
B - L0.40               +5.20
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite of last
B - W0.40              +5.60
B - L0.30               +5.30
B - L0.50               +4.80
B - L0.70               +4.10
R - W+0.90            +5.00  start at 80p next time
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W0.80               +5.80   (restart at 40p)
R - L-0.40                +5.40         
B - W0.60                +6.00
R - W0.50                +6.50
B - W0.40                +6.90
R
B
   - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40                +7.30
R - W0.30                +7.60
R - W0.40                +8.00
R - W0.30                +8.30
R - W0.40                +8.70
    - 5 reds so play opposite last
R - L0.40                 +8.30
R - L0.60                 +7.70
B - W0.80                +8.50
B - L0.70                 +7.80
B - L0.90                 +6.90   (restart at 1.20)
R
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
B - L1.20                +5.70
B - W1.40               +7.10
R - L1.30                +5.80   
B - L1.50                +4.30
B - W1.70               +6            next bet = 1.60
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W1.60                +7.60
R - W1.50                +9.10
B - W0.40                +9.50
B - L0.30                  +9.20
B - L0.40                  +8.80             next bet 0.60
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W0.60                +9.40
R - L0.50                  +8.90
R - L0.70                  +8.20
R - L0.90                  +7.30
B - W1.10                +8.40           next bet =1.00
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W1.00                +9.40
B - W0.90                +10.30
R - L0.40                  +9.90
B - L0.60                  +9.30
R - L0.80                  +8.50            next bet =1.00
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W1.00               +9.50
R - L0.90                 +8.60
B - L1.10                 +7.50
B - W1.20                +8.70
B - W1.10                +9.80            next  bet =1.00
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W1.00              +10.80
R - L0.40               +10.40
R - L0.60               +9.80
B - W0.80             +10.60
R - W0.70             +11.30
R
B
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W0.40              +11.70
B - W0.30              +12.00
R - L0.40               +11.60
B - L0.60               +11.00
R - L0.80               +10.20          next bet = 1.00
R
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W1.00              +11.20
R - W0.90              +12.10
R - W0.40              +12.50
B - L0.30               +12.20
R - L0.50               +11.70         next bet =70p
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W0.70                    +12.40
R - W0.60                    +13.00                 
R - L0.40                     +12.60
B - W0.60                    +13.20
R - W0.50                    +13.70
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
[/reveal]

Will require more testing of course!      

Atlantis.

Pretty good LW-Registry ... i test this with Marigny style and regression toward the mean and also get pretty good results.

LWWLWLWWWWLWWLWLLLWLWWWWLWLWWLWLLWWWWLW

Largers series vs singles and largest drawdown three loses ...
Sure you can use same staking plan ...

Feels better using random states of property that indicate current states ... when you aim to catch events ...
Looks like it is more solid then his method, as my playing model is based upon math and probability towards tendency play.

Quote from: Sputnik on June 17, 2013, 01:22:35 PM
Looks like it is more solid then his method.

Thought so!  with respect to staking plan, it might be possible that cyclic betting suits this better, as we are using fixed cycles of 5 bets.

Quote from: GreatGrampa on June 17, 2013, 01:42:34 PM
Thought so!  with respect to staking plan, it might be possible that cyclic betting suits this better, as we are using fixed cycles of 5 bets.

But cycle betting is predetermined based upon math and probability.
Lets take a dice with four sides and clustering them into even money, then we get four patterns.

1.RR
2.BB
3.RB
4.BR

Then if you get five reds in a row you have this situation.

1.RR
2.RX
3.RX
4.RX

Then you can see the clustering that you would bet that not red would come for three attempts.
Then if it does then you have four sides of the same and the same situation of a dice repeating one side four times in a row.

That is one cycle and you place three bets if the trigger is five and that is the correct methodology.
Now if you would bet six times, then the probability would be as follows ...

You see red you bet black for three times.
If you see black you bet red for three times.

Now if you lose you have one color four times in a row.

R
R
R
R

or

B
B
B
B

Then you wait for the next result to show with out betting, as that will show what clustering pattern you will get or what side out of four possibilities will show, clustering pattern.

If you get RB then you bet against that cycle.
If you get RR then you bet against that cycle.
If you get BR then you bet against that cycle.
If you get BB then you bet against that cycle.

I post this as cycle methodology follow strict rules and math/probability.

RB
RB
RB
RB

RR
RR
RR
RR

BB
BB
BB
BB

BR
BR
BR
BR

Here can you see one complete cycle fail during 300 trails.
So if your selection would be five then you would pass this 300 trails and winning them all.

Now a march or algorithm like this capture current random states of the random flow, does can you use to pin point out winning bets and not play them all.
Like this, bet once after one loss with each state ... WWWLW LL WLWWWWWWWW

There is many options when you use cycle methodology ....

1
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L

2
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L

2
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L

2
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L

2
2 L
2 L
2 L

1
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L

2
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L

1
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L

2
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L

1
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L

2
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L

2
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L

2
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L

1
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W

Is like the ocean with waves, beautiful ...

Hi Sputnik,
Can you show a small actual roulette session where you use this methodology? Just enough so as to follow it using the selection of 5 to see it in real-play mode?
Thanks,
A.

I don't use this kind of method when i play.

1. Think of the LW-Registry being a charting method to show you the waves and current states of the random flow with pen and paper.

2. The march/algorithm is to bet three times opposite after the first outcome, until three loses, then restart with a new outcome, so each wave ends with three loses, pretty simple march and it follow the cycle methodology i mention above using a dice that will not strike same side four times in a row.

3. Triggers can be within each wave, for example test betting after one loss. Other triggers can be betting after three loses, when a wave/sequence end. Other options is to divide the betting into levels.

Cheers

Hi Sputnik,
Thanks for the chart and I now perfectly understand the algorithm you posted as betting the opposite after the first outcome until 3 losses occur. Do you think this way is stronger and has a better advantage over the 5/5 Angle example I posted a few messages earlier?  Certainly it reduces waiting times before starting to bet and that is good thing.
Cheers,
A.