But a line is just one combination of 6 numbers that can exist in 37.
So 123456 is special and 123457 is completly different until I get to 7,8,9,10,11,12
Then its special again.?

Quote from: Turner on August 07, 2013, 06:55:40 AM
But a line is just one combination of 6 numbers that can exist in 37.
So 123456 is special and 123457 is completly different until I get to 7,8,9,10,11,12
Then its special again.?

Yes, line is one combination of 6 numbers that can exist in 37. Consider the example that you just gave. When you take 123456 as a line and you get sleepers 123457. In the analysis that Poit has provided over 12Mn spins, when 123457 appears as sleepers, even though they are 6 numbers will not be considered for analysis when he says a line sleeps because his boundary of 6 numbers is natural lines.

The difference is whether you are predefining this set of 6 or not. If you are predefining, it could either be a natural line or a combination of any set of 6 numbers (like 0, 1, 12, 23, 24, 35), they will have a lesser probability of sleeping over a set of spins than any 6 numbers. Defining the boundaries while tracking is the key differentiation. Relook at the Head, tail example that I gave. Either head or tail is an outcome. But the probabilities vary when you want head to sleep rather than either head or tail to sleep.

Hope I am able to convey what I am thinking. If am not, is there anyone who gets what am saying. Let me know if am blabbering as that might well be the case

Perhaps im not sure what im trying to say. But i know what im trying to do
Im trying to understand if random has limits and what they are.
Its better to test yourself than just believe a list some one else produced.

Hey Turner, hows this testing going?

By the way, I find the perfect explanation of what I was trying to explain you on why lines are different from any 6 numbers and why you are seeing  max spins for lines sleeping is less than max spins for 6 numbers sleeping.

Try answering the following :
How many times have you seen 18 numbers sleeping for 15 spins. Perhaps every time you play.
How many times have you seen Red sleeping for 15 spins. Not as frequent.
Why? Both are a set of 18 numbers. There lies the answer

Chasing [smiley]aes/sleep.png[/smiley] [smiley]aes/sleep.png[/smiley]you should take all possible COMBINATIONS into account. It is basic probability. An example:In a class of 37 two may skive today.  If 1 is one of them,  he or she  may skive together with one out 36 other. You could count the total number of possibilites by adding 36 to 35  and so on and finally reach a certain[smiley]aes/devil.png[/smiley] sum. Or a scientific calculator could give you the answer.

The many possible combinations might scare some of us from chasing [smiley]aes/sleep.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/sleep.png[/smiley].
                                               
                                                  Dane

On the other note....does one of the last 6 unique numbers often repeat because its the hottest group of 6 on the planet?

The more roulette tables there are in the casino the more probable it is that one of them will exhibit very long sleepers.
I look at the number boards next to the tables,and at some point I'll see one table with 10 or more reds or blacks etc
So freak events definitely do happen. That's why I always hedge bets. Never put all your eggs in one basket, as the saying goes.
Now if you see a table where certain colors, or numbers are trending then I'd back these for a set number of spins, with a positive progression (up as you win), such as parley bets.

Hi purple,


I must have missed you when you registered back in January, welcome to the forum.


I see that Lee Tutor's book is now available on Amazon, and much cheaper too. It's a pretty good book IMO, about the best I've seen for anyone serious about winning consistently, although the "math boyzzz" would dismiss much of it. 

Quote from: Bayes on August 27, 2013, 03:22:50 PM
Hi purple,


I must have missed you when you registered back in January, welcome to the forum.


I see that Lee Tutor's book is now available on Amazon, and much cheaper too. It's a pretty good book IMO, about the best I've seen for anyone serious about winning consistently, although the "math boyzzz" would dismiss much of it.   

Have you read the book ? if you say its good ,, then i buy a copy :-)

Yes Sputnik, I bought the book and it's hands down the most complete roulette book out there. i had bought the ebook a few years ago and used the systems in the casinos and ... have been making good money ever since. As it says there's no system to beat the casino mechanically but you can win 8 out of 10 sessions with proper play. In the book there's now more material on 99% maths systems, for progressions, and an excellent dealer signature system that has been a winner for me. It's really well written, with hundreds of diagrams, the guy obviously knows what he's talking about. My only complaint is that it wasn't published sooner!
I also have some basic visual ballistics skills that I use to double check on which numbers to choose.
As for the math boyz they can go play with their .. toyz...

*********As for the math boyz they can go play with their .. toyz...******* unique quote  by [urple. 

HIGH 5 -^^^^^

Nathan Detroit

   

Quote from: purple on August 27, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
it's hands down the most complete roulette book out there.

I'd have to agree with that. There's a lot of very useful info, and hardly any fluff or padding which you tend to get in other roulette books. The chapter on MM alone is worth the price. I've had the pdf version for several years but I'm tempted to get the hard copy, especially if there's new material in it. You can read the contents and first few pages at Amazon.

welcome to Turners book club.

Who cares about sleeping numbers anyhow!





I downloaded the said book btw...If I learn 2 things, its worth £6.


fairly big book too....300 real pages, about 6000 mini pages on the kindle


its good to get a different opinion than this shower in here lol.


In fact...Ill come back when I've read it.


(like im going to be missed lol)

Quote from: Turner on August 27, 2013, 08:33:47 PM

Who cares about sleeping numbers anyhow!

Sorry Turner, a bit off-topic!


But there is some quite good stuff on sleeping numbers in the book. 

Quote from: Bayes on August 27, 2013, 08:47:51 PM

Sorry Turner, a bit off-topic!


But there is some quite good stuff on sleeping numbers in the book. 

Bayes....Im joking Sir....i got a good read for the bath out of the topic if nowt else.