THE GOOD NEWS
Guys I have some good news for all the non ballistic players......SINGLE ZERO ROULETTE IS DEFINATELY BEATABLE THROUGH LONG TERM ODDS ANALYSIS!!!!!!
I once saw a challenge online offering £20k for a system which was in the positive after 1 million placed bets. I have been working for months on roulette xtreme to create a profile based on a theory I had about personal permanence in a large sample of numbers...or spins.
Using the minimum 10p starting bet I am now at SIMULATED....14,500,000+ placed bets with a lead on the table of 0.69%.....WITHOUT HITTING THE TABLE LIMITS (Playtech table).
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THE BAD NEWS!!!!!!
The more astute among you will notice that for a gain of circa 22k you would have to sit down with 50+k to avoid the largest drawdown. The above sample on a single table would take 3 months for a bot running 2k spins/hr...........not worth it in my humble opinion.

CONCLUSION!!!!!!
It can be done......but the low margin vs high risk makes it an unnatractive option. Unless you are already far richer than the average man and just want to float money about for the buzz whilst minimizing risk.....AVOID ROULETTE AS AN AVENUE TO GUARANTEED REVENUE.
....unless that is....you are prepared to enter a licenced casino with a hidden device. Not for me either.
SO......In the spirit of just 'beating the game'...Tick.
However....unless you are already rich and really have nothing better to do than float cash about or are reasonably rich (to afford the equipment and an amount you can afford to lose) and are prepared to sneak about with the stress of being caught with a device......LOOK TO OTHER SOURCES FOR INCOME GENERATION!!!
To any that aren't already richer than most and choose to continue regardless...Best of luck....but please also consider checking the link below.
http://www.gamcare.org.uk/
Kind regards

What you are dreaming/planning to do has already been done with lesser bankroll requirement. Have a look: http://betselection.cc/ophis'-mst/holy-grail-randomness-can-be-beaten-even-in-the-longest-run/

Thanks, that's some good reading!
They are using a progression based around tight and tighter initial selection criteria for bets. In my sample there is always a bet on the table every spin which is great for comp points on Playtech. However their drawdown is tighter and I would take that any day.
I will tighten up selection criteria for bet initialisation as trying to beat 14kdd vs 22kwin ....in a 1 mill sample....looks like the next challenge now the game is bust!! lol

Wait.......

Do they use a no zero table?......I couldnt see on their thread? The above is against a single zero which many say can't be done....Einstein did not have the opportunity of no zero. There are only 2 no zero tables I know of and I wanted to take on the world! lol. I will post back here though if I can beat the Ophis sample drawdown vs winrate against a single zero wheel at playtech limits.

I guess though the main thing I was trying to do was bring the above facts to the attention of any get rich quick' types that may trawl these forums hoping for the grail and go off on some half cocked notion with money they can't afford to lose! SIMULATION is the way forward and if you haven't got the ability to code or the time to learn then even if you find the grail......you will give up the golden goose to get anywhere with it as someone else codes it or a bot for you....and the margin (drawdown vs winrate) will be weak ......and that's before any other unforseen complications such as the bot packing up mid progression etc.

I hope someone saves time or money from reading this.

Would be grateful if anyone knows if the Ophis sample is zero wheel or not but for now I shall ignore the fact that the sample was produced on his own proprietary software, doesn't show how many placed bets there were assume it is a single zero wheel ...to see what I can simulate. No offence meant to Ophis but any "winning" system sold is to be treated with the utmost scepticism and if its just about beating the numbers.....then I like a challenge!!

QuoteDo they use a no zero table?......I couldnt see on their thread? The above is against a single zero which many say can't be done....[color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]Einstein[/color] did not have the opportunity of no zero. There are only 2 no zero tables I know of and I wanted to take on the world! lol. I will post back here though if I can beat the Ophis sample drawdown vs winrate against a single zero wheel at [/color][color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important]playtech limits[/color][color=rgb(0, 0, 255) !important].

                    It was all simulated upon euro wheel numbers. If you are not capable to do something do not say it can't be done.

Erm...read the good news bit....I said it can.
Ophis can code well enough to capture any winniing method in a bot farm running through ID's he controls....without risking 'losing the goose' on a general release bot....think about it.
However my aim was not to discredit the commercial offerings of Ophis, more about sharing the challenge of the numbers with the uninitiated who may stumble on this.
A single zero wheel!.. Hats off....and target to beat!

"LOOK TO OTHER SOURCES FOR INCOME GENERATION!!!"

You know, as standalone advice, that quote is probably sufficient warning for the desperate and disadvantaged that visit sites such as this, and stare longingly through the window.

Unless they are prepared to roll up their sleeves, and do some work by following XXVV and/or Gizmotron, for example, (both on this forum) they are doomed from the start!

And that, of course, is not what the get-rich-quick dreamers want to read 

Bayes is a good read on here too, there are elements in the profile which produced the 14mill bet sample above which he shares on his thread.
SIMULATE don't SPECULATE peeps...... and good luck to all!

Binom,
                So far I can see in your screenshot, at one point of time, your bankroll reaches -325,935. Is it feasible to try anything like this in real life? Compare this with my 10 millions beaten and have a look at drawdowns and wins in each with Ophis bot.

Im not sure what your point is?..or how many bets were placed in your sample.


However, in the spirit of sportsmanship and beating the game the gauntlet seems to be...


European Roulette, Playtech 10c min-100max limits, 15k drawdown vs 30k profit, 1 mill spins.


PLACED BETS should also be factored for obvious reasons, however with a lower drawdown on your sample I yield...... for now ;-)

Why placed bet is so important? It is winning with a set rule that matters. Your method gets you down by more than 325k. Who would play this?

Noone with sense would play it. You miss the point entirely Ali and have yet to make any point yourself.
If you don't see the importance of placed bets as opposed to just spins then.....think harder lol.

 
Yes every test should be based upon placed bets and not spins overall ...
The down side betting against 1M or more is that you win very little ...
You never get rich playing roulette ...

....and Ali looks like a system seller.....take from that what you will lol.
In relation to what I posted above I think this is the most pertinient point from his sales thread......

Quote from: Juiced91 on January 16, 2013, 07:03:00 AM
Okay. So in 3million spins you won 105000 units.

that's 1 unit every 29 spins. It had a max Drawdown of 8000+.

At BV you can do about 3-4000 spins a night so that's a 103-137 units a night.

Now if you play with cents that's 1Euro for a whole evening. 80Euro drawdown for 1euro.

So to make this remotely worthwhile it would have to be played with euros meaning you need a 10000euro bank.

Everyone said the Holy grail would be expensive but i think that's a bit insane.

If I  missed the point I wouldn't have cleared 10 millions spins and my max drawdown ever were 15k and I can even lower that. You have yet to make any point that I can percieve.
        Winning in any casino gambling is not about placing bet on all the tables at all the times. You may chose to bet or not to bet in particular conditions. That is all about a system that can beat the randomness in the longest stretch. Consider all spins as variety of long jumps. You may jump 8ft or even 10ft but who can jump 50 ft. If playing in all conditions and all spins is the real way of playing for you, better quit gambling forever because the 50ft pit is waiting for you to finish your race and you will try crossing that too.