The "no system" system is the final attempt to get the better of the casino by those who have been there, done it, and tried many so-called "mechanical" systems which require you to stick to a rigid schedule of bets and/or money management.
Sooner or later, you're going to realize that no system will win consistently. The solution? Simple : abandon "mechanical" systems and just GUESS! make up your selections, patterns and progressions on the fly. Learn to "read randomness", cultivate your intuition, etc...
The problem is, this idea just doesn't work, and you're still deluding yourself. The solution is not to abandon "mechanical" systems and embrace "non-mechanical" ones, (whatever they actually are), but to learn why any kind of system based on patterns and progressions cannot work. In fact, the term "non-mechanical" is self-contradictory, because if you knew how and why a non-mechanical system worked, it would no longer be non-mechanical, but mechanical like all the others, and you could then use math or simulations to show that it didn't work. On the other hand, if you DON'T know how or why your method is working, then you're just guessing, aren't you?
The comfort to be drawn from playing these guessing games (as opposed to applying a structured set of rules) is that they are apparently immune from the math (and the "mathboyz" critiques :P). Gambler's who have "progressed" this far like to feel that they're more sophisticated than their colleagues who are still bumbling around with mechanical systems, and therefore ultimately doomed to fail. It's nonsense of course; the reasoning seems to be : "You can't win by using a system, therefore if I DON'T use a system I will win!". ;D
They don't seem to realize that although they may be working very hard at guessing, in truth they're just betting randomly, and therefore they have no more chance of getting an edge by betting this way than someone who uses a rigid system mindlessly.
Intuition can be more powerful than rationality. Developing "Blink", the power of thinking without thinking may be the key to the "No System" System.
Well that's your opinion which reflects a rigid mentality and it's based on the conventional "wisdom".
But please answer me honestly, since when it's really better to think and act like the majority (average Joe)?
And I'm not talking only about gambling, but about almost everything...
As a general rule in my life I'm trying to avoid the majority beliefs, habits, mentality, way of life in general.
What is already offered from the few to the many is like a death trap dungeon, whether you've to "be killed" or "kill" just to survive, whether you have to be "victim" or "predator", metaphorically speaking of course.
Where is the middle ground? There is none!
In this world of capitalistic and materialistic values there is no place for human values and romanticism, whether you engage on the vicious cycle of produce and consume or you are being a misfit, contempt and disdain is all you gain.
So MY choice was to live in my own terms and embrace what the majority rejects (or considers unrealistic), my well being doesn't come from ownership but from freedom (with a greater sense), it's not mostly about what I want to have but what I don't.
Why I have to compete with so many others in order for some other to reward and accept me, why my life to be depended from others, why my happiness to be associated with a certain individual?
I've chosen to feel happy because this is the ultimate end after all, isn't it?
Yes, it's a choice but the world doesn't give us many reasons to feel so, that's why I've learned how I can be happy without being depended on conditions out of my control.
I've selected to be useful for ME rather than others, since nobody cares more for others than his/herself then why to permit our life to be constructed around a person or a job or a thing and when that disappears (for any reason) our world would be collapsed, why?
I might sound as an egocentric personality but if we and the system which we are living was more atom-centric, more independent, rather than creating the "master/slave" affairs within all aspects of life, then and only then we could progress to a brand new level of realization, awareness and all together rise above ordinary, expendable things.
What all that has to do with systems?
Is not a system what determines our lives, isn't all subject to probability?
Don't make me give you examples because I would not end even tomorrow!
Blue_Angel, absolutely brilliant. I can't say for sure if it's a great way, to go your own way in gambling, unless you happen to be a pioneer of some sort.
I found my own way after I got my first job and moved out. It was rock climbing. They were still using pitons in Yosemite. My first ice axes were made of wood. Everyone I knew labeled me crazy. I learned from then on, in that first year, to do it all for the personal enjoyment of it all. I only climbed with people that were also tired of the bull stuff, why do you do it questions. Then this guy skis off the Grand Tetons back in 1971. That was it for me. I started that too in the next ski season of 71-72. I had to get really good at rock climbing and mountain climbing just so that I could ski off of never before skied mountain faces. I did all that alone. I knew of nobody that was into this. It was until 1984 when I was introduced to the "Peddle Hop" turn. I found my true calling. I turned 70 degree faces into easy ski turns. I know what it means to go your own way.
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Mike, thank goodness that you don't have perils of wisdom for day trading, swing trading, a Roulette table. Your incites are good enough to act as a red herring or even better a straw man. I suspect you keep this level of mentality up so that it somehow gives you comfort, perhaps something even simpler than that. Your point of view is clear.
If I just bet on the reds alone each spin, I would produce a candlestick chart that would prove my point, that upticks happen all along the way down the mathematical expectation required by the mathBoys. The math oriented absolutists would be happy with such a chart. They would say that it represents the truth. So what about guessing? Is there a mathematical law that says you can't bet on the upticks? Your argument is that you can't or that nobody can. I know how to stay out of the deep down ticks. Do you suggest that that is a skill that can't exist? Why do you guys use a logic that says you are right and people that guess are wrong? As you can see, if you are not blind, betting on the reds alone produces these down tick and up tick swings. All I do is watch 12 different sets of 18 numbers. I'm not stuck to just the reds. I can see up ticks in any one of the sets. I can guess better than you can pontificate. I have the skill. You don't. Just saying you are right does not actually make you right.
I'm OK with that too. You are too invested in your way to ever consider achieving a skill that for all practical purposes represents a flat earth mentality to you. You can never lower yourself. Too proud. :no: Too captured by the system that in the end makes you mechanical.
Actually, the "no system" is suicide, to which the "master" of the mechanical systems, Gr8Player, apparently, can now attest. If reports are true, RIP, sir.
P.S. Hahaha, watch out Gizmo. You're officially being watched. Hehehe.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 30, 2018, 07:21:35 PM
Blue_Angel, absolutely brilliant. I can't say for sure if it's a great way, to go your own way in gambling, unless you happen to be a pioneer of some sort.
I found my own way after I got my first job and moved out. It was rock climbing. They were still using pitons in Yosemite. My first ice axes were made of wood. Everyone I knew labeled me crazy. I learned from then on, in that first year, to do it all for the personal enjoyment of it all. I only climbed with people that were also tired of the bull stuff, why do you do it questions. Then this guy skis off the Grand Tetons back in 1971. That was it for me. I started that too in the next ski season of 71-72. I had to get really good at rock climbing and mountain climbing just so that I could ski off of never before skied mountain faces. I did all that alone. I knew of nobody that was into this. It was until 1984 when I was introduced to the "Peddle Hop" turn. I found my true calling. I turned 70 degree faces into easy ski turns. I know what it means to go your own way.
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Mike, thank goodness that you don't have perils of wisdom for day trading, swing trading, a Roulette table. Your incites are good enough to act as a red herring or even better a straw man. I suspect you keep this level of mentality up so that it somehow gives you comfort, perhaps something even simpler than that. Your point of view is clear.
If I just bet on the reds alone each spin, I would produce a candlestick chart that would prove my point, that upticks happen all along the way down the mathematical expectation required by the mathBoys. The math oriented absolutists would be happy with such a chart. They would say that it represents the truth. So what about guessing? Is there a mathematical law that says you can't bet on the upticks? Your argument is that you can't or that nobody can. I know how to stay out of the deep down ticks. Do you suggest that that is a skill that can't exist? Why do you guys use a logic that says you are right and people that guess are wrong? As you can see, if you are not blind, betting on the reds alone produces these down tick and up tick swings. All I do is watch 12 different sets of 18 numbers. I'm not stuck to just the reds. I can see up ticks in any one of the sets. I can guess better than you can pontificate. I have the skill. You don't. Just saying you are right does not actually make you right.
I'm OK with that too. You are too invested in your way to ever consider achieving a skill that for all practical purposes represents a flat earth mentality to you. You can never lower yourself. Too proud. :no: Too captured by the system that in the end makes you mechanical.
I guess you are an adrenaline junky, right?
Have you ever had an accident by the extreme sports?
Was it serious in order to handicap you?
About roulette and specifically the streaks, what about those sessions which are quite choppy?
Or perhaps cannot all selections be on the same choppy phase simultaneously, but in order to be on the selection which is more streaky than the rest you should bet'em all simultaneously and keep only what "pays the rent" if you get my drift. ;)
Let's say that we had an infinite bank and table limits and we were betting with doubling ups after every loss on any EC.
After 10,000 bets would the net profit obtained exceed the maximum draw-down we had during those 10,000 bets?
In other words, per coup accounts for 1 unit net profit, but the units at risk would be much greater than the total net profit, am I right?
The point is that if the net profit of a system cannot exceed the maximum units at risk then this is a failure.
On the other hand, if the net profit exceeds the maximum risked amount of units then this is a successful method.
Let me clarify that by saying units at risk is not equivalent with units lost.
Let's take a step further and wonder what is better, the system which is netting 1,000 units with 2,000 BR or the system which is netting 90 units with 200 BR?
I've always tried to emphasize the balance between risk and reward, there are not universal limits for what is good or not, but if we compare the money gained VS money risked then regardless of the size of someone's BR the percentages will reflect exactly this relationship, no matter how big or small a bankroll may be.
Do you agree gentlemen?
Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 30, 2018, 09:39:06 PM
I guess you are an adrenaline junky, right?
Have you ever had an accident by the extreme sports?
Was it serious in order to handicap you?
About roulette and specifically the streaks, what about those sessions which are quite choppy?
Or perhaps cannot all selections be on the same choppy phase simultaneously, but in order to be on the selection which is more streaky than the rest you should bet'em all simultaneously and keep only what "pays the rent" if you get my drift. ;)
"I guess you are an adrenaline junky, right?"
I'm just the opposite. There's a very old axiom in mountain climbing lore. It goes like this: "Relax your mind." The entire point of all this hard core rock climbing stuff is to not get nervous, don't let your hands sweat. Don't tremble. Don't waste energy, conserve muscle strength. Adrenalin causes all those things to jump off the scale. In a way it's a kind of mind control.
"Have you ever had an accident by the extreme sports?
Was it serious in order to handicap you?"
Yes and no. I sprained my knee twice. I got bruised a few times. My first year at ski extreme I almost died in front of 1,000 spectators. I cartwheeled out of control down a maintain face above an Aerial competition going on. Before going over a 150 ft cliff, after cartwheeling down 800 vertical feet, I came to a stop five feet from the top edge. There is no way to stop yourself once you start to cartwheel. I took a "screamer" down a vertical face rock climbing over an overhang. I hit a 2 inch wide ledge just before the rope tightened up. That was like trying to put your left heal up your butt while getting squished into a 10 gallon bucket. I was only out of work for two weeks on that one. That's it. I might be the first person to base jump an airplane down a rock face. That didn't even jazz me up. That was pure execution. "Relax your mind." There are hundreds of stories and many other types of extreme adventures that I got pretty good at. I even let Golf kick my rear. Now that is very hard to relax about. Golf can really mess with your mind.
What about streaks and choppy?
I like choppy. Choppy is an indicator too. If any recognizable thing, be it a fantasy in seeing it or not, if that thing continues then you can adjust to it. If the characteristic continues for just one spin then your risk to go further is a free chance after you win from it. This is what happens. You see a connection within the past few spins. You then place a bet that is a wish. Sometimes that wish comes true. Sometimes it does not. I really don't care much. I know that the guesses will have small upticks. Any loss is an indicator that I'm no longer in an uptick part of a session. I stay out until I do start to go up again. For me to lose mathematically I must stay in on all the down ticks. I don't. It's a matter of watching the chop vs the bigger movements. I play loose, like standing on a mountain top and seeing my line. Pushing off on a Roulette table is like a kiddie ride at the arcade. There's no adrenaline. Just keep your focus and your plan.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 30, 2018, 10:16:50 PM
I've always tried to emphasize the balance between risk and reward, there are not universal limits for what is good or not, but if we compare the money gained VS money risked then regardless of the size of someone's BR the percentages will reflect exactly this relationship, no matter how big or small a bankroll may be.
Do you agree gentlemen?
I agree with that observation of the percentage staying the same. In fact bankroll size is the only thing I'm trying to lock down right now. That's why I'm practicing so much for this. It comes down to percentage of sessions won vs losses too. I always look for the balance point.
In my local casino, the following line appears on the screen intermittently, "It is true unicorns are not real, but the house's advantage is." But after reading how the in-house experts consistently beat the house with systems, I have started to believe in unicorns.
My style is not but recently tested a pure mechanical style over 1175 live dealt shoe and show a profit of just better than two unit per. That profit is equal to slightly more than twice the original required life times bankroll. Of course, the mathite might say that 1175 shoe is not the "long run" but that's equal to about a year's worth of full times play for me, hey hey.
Quote from: Garnabby on May 30, 2018, 09:33:33 PM
Actually, the "no system" is suicide, to which the "master" of the mechanical systems, Gr8Player, apparently, can now attest. If reports are true, RIP, sir.
P.S. Hahaha, watch out Gizmo. You're officially being watched. Hehehe.
Bwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the garnabby is back. So, do tell, what has befallen the gr888888888888888888888888one, hey hey?
Quote from: james on May 30, 2018, 11:25:26 PM
In my local casino, the following line appears on the screen intermittently, "It is true unicorns are not real, but the house's advantage is." But after reading how the in-house experts consistently beat the house with systems, I have started to believe in unicorns.
It's not much of a system. In fact it is as old as the hills. Bet big when you are doing good, bet small when you are doing bad. Of course you must figure out that math won't help you much when it comes to good and bad streaks or stretches. The house's advantage won't stop good or bad streaks from occurring. It takes cognition. There is no math formula for cognition. Therefor there is no math formula for unicorns.
Quote from: soxfan on May 30, 2018, 11:39:42 PM
Bwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the garnabby is back. So, do tell, what has befallen the gr888888888888888888888888one, hey hey?
Yeah, what happened?
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 30, 2018, 11:44:14 PM
It's not much of a system. In fact it is as old as the hills. Bet big when you are doing good, bet small when you are doing bad. Of course you must figure out that math won't help you much when it comes to good and bad streaks or stretches. The house's advantage won't stop good or bad streaks from occurring. It takes cognition. There is no math formula for cognition. Therefor there is no math formula for unicorns.
So all boils down to: 2,1,2,3,4,5...etc
The progression alone makes you winner?
The cognition or the recognition of patterns??
If I see number 12 is around how can I know that this is not a hunch but clairvoyance?
HUH?? ???
Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 31, 2018, 12:01:59 AM
So all boils down to: 2,1,2,3,4,5...etc
The progression alone makes you winner?
The cognition or the recognition of patterns??
If I see number 12 is around how can I know that this is not a hunch but clairvoyance?
HUH?? ???
I don't worry about single numbers. My big bet for now is $100. My small bet is $5 It's not a mindless progression. I'm just searching for the absence of down streaks. They are easy to see. You must have a guess in the game on each spin just to see if you suck at it. If my goal was to lose as much as possible I would hunt for crashes in my swing charts. BTW, that 2,1,2,3,4,5, progression is John Patrick's not mine.
Your guess must be blind. It must contain no magical thinking. There is no trick to it. It has the mathematical chance to succeed based on the true odds for one spin and that is all. I just enjoy seeing 20 reds in a row, and that is not wishful thinking in any way. It just happens. I jump in and I either get started or I move to recover that loss. It's so simple. I'm not going to get killed by 20 losses in a row at the big price. But I am going to kill the casino at 20 reds in a row at the big price. It never takes a sixth sense.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 30, 2018, 06:33:10 PM
Well that's your opinion which reflects a rigid mentality and it's based on the conventional "wisdom".
But please answer me honestly, since when it's really better to think and act like the majority (average Joe)?
And I'm not talking only about gambling, but about almost everything...
As a general rule in my life I'm trying to avoid the majority beliefs, habits, mentality, way of life in general.
BA,
It may be my "opinion" but at least I can back it up with facts and logic, which is not the case for those who say that guessing which RANDOM number is going to appear next has some validity. All you have is mere assertion. As I said, if you were able to demonstrate that these techniques actually work, you would have to use facts and logic, statistics, etc. ie, rational processes!
And if you are trying to avoid the majority of beliefs etc, aren't you as much controlled by them as someone who follows the herd? What is the value of going against the grain just for the sake of it?
@ Gizmo,
QuoteAll I do is watch 12 different sets of 18 numbers. I'm not stuck to just the reds. I can see up ticks in any one of the sets. I can guess better than you can pontificate. I have the skill. You don't.
This would only work if there was some genuine asymmetry in the outcomes, or if previous outcomes influenced future outcomes, if only sometimes. This can and does happen in trading stocks because people tend to use the same indicators, and swings are often driven by what other people are doing. It doesn't happen in roulette (or Bacc) for obvious reasons, so your candlestick charts are irrelevant. You can jump on a trend or anti trend but there is never any tendency for it to continue, and if you can't identify any REAL underlying causes which correlate with the perceived trends, you're just following a random walk.
QuoteJust saying you are right does not actually make you right.
Correct, but this is just what you do. I give good reasons why your ideas can't work, whereas you just assert that they do. Haven't you noticed that trend?
Sometimes lots of things work really well, and then sometimes they don't. The opposite is also true.
Gizmotron seems to focus and engage his free spirited play on this premise. I really don't see why that's so hard for people to accept.
Whoever else has an interest in playing the game this way might very well pay for some form of tuition to do so.
I'm fine with that, why aren't you?
Gizmo, when you opened your school, how much money in total did you earn from your students?
Let me put forward some perspective before you answer. A little while back I bought ten toy marbles form an auction house for $40. That's right, ten. I sold those ten toy marbles on ebay for $12,000.
What's my point? Give me a break, who should really care if some of us guys make a bit of dough from our expertise, whatever that may be?
Somebody, quite a few somebodies really wanted my marbles, so they paid the price.
Quote from: Mike on May 31, 2018, 07:17:20 AM
BA,
It may be my "opinion" but at least I can back it up with facts and logic, which is not the case for those who say that guessing which RANDOM number is going to appear next has some validity. All you have is mere assertion. As I said, if you were able to demonstrate that these techniques actually work, you would have to use facts and logic, statistics, etc. ie, rational processes!
And if you are trying to avoid the majority of beliefs etc, aren't you as much controlled by them as someone who follows the herd? What is the value of going against the grain just for the sake of it?
By knowing the 99.9% of the total that does never equate with the 100% if you get what I mean...
Who said that I'm guessing, I'm not blindly, neither educatedly guessing, I'm using stats and results to prove my point to myself, not to others because my aim is not to be popular, my benefit doesn't come from others but from what I can do.
So don't tell me that what I've confirmed countless times is merely an illusion, what has happened will happen again...
Last but not least, being different is not a trend which you are embracing it just for the sake of it, or because you want to be accepted by a group of persons, or because you want to go against the tyrannical manipulation of your parents, it has practical benefits which you could never realize by doing otherwise.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 31, 2018, 12:41:15 AM
I don't worry about single numbers. My big bet for now is $100. My small bet is $5 It's not a mindless progression. I'm just searching for the absence of down streaks. They are easy to see. You must have a guess in the game on each spin just to see if you suck at it. If my goal was to lose as much as possible I would hunt for crashes in my swing charts. BTW, that 2,1,2,3,4,5, progression is John Patrick's not mine.
Your guess must be blind. It must contain no magical thinking. There is no trick to it. It has the mathematical chance to succeed based on the true odds for one spin and that is all. I just enjoy seeing 20 reds in a row, and that is not wishful thinking in any way. It just happens. I jump in and I either get started or I move to recover that loss. It's so simple. I'm not going to get killed by 20 losses in a row at the big price. But I am going to kill the casino at 20 reds in a row at the big price. It never takes a sixth sense.
In other words you are betting for continuation and against alteration of any kind.
Therefore the continuations must dominate the alteration of states, but from my experience I think that alteration is prevalent because at the end nothing is being favored.
Just try to imagine results as a traveler who never stays too much at a specific place, just passes by and from time to time stays for a while, that's variety, that's variance.
If we had dominant continuation, or repetition, of any kind, then it would be clearer what's coming up and more boring to be frank.
But with all those alterations the game keeps the suspense and interest.
I perceive it as a good challenge, easier objectives lose interest quickly and are making you to move on to tougher and greater ones.
I agree, just go with your intuition. Some days you're just playing worse, and sticking to a system won't fix that.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 31, 2018, 10:36:49 AM
In other words you are betting for continuation and against alteration of any kind.
Therefore the continuations must dominate the alteration of states, but from my experience I think that alteration is prevalent because at the end nothing is being favored.
Just try to imagine results as a traveler who never stays too much at a specific place, just passes by and from time to time stays for a while, that's variety, that's variance.
If we had dominant continuation, or repetition, of any kind, then it would be clearer what's coming up and more boring to be frank.
But with all those alterations the game keeps the suspense and interest.
I perceive it as a good challenge, easier objectives lose interest quickly and are making you to move on to tougher and greater ones.
Spot on, you are right on about your assessment of my perception of what I look for. Yes, I expect to see allot of alterations, chaos, variance, whatever you want to call it, etc... I call it change if anyone is reading what I have written over the years. I attempt to speculate on change. That includes any trend that ends or any trend that starts. I bet on the middle. It has taken me years to accept that getting out while still in the middle has turned out to be the most effective of tactics for me. It's not easy to walk away with the right amount. It's like flying a plane on instruments. You don't react to what you feel. You act on what the instruments are telling you. I like the idea that if I execute a daily plan where I quit at the success point, a very easy to achieve point, then I know I will take down as much as $10,000 per month from what looks like an innocuous player's good luck.
It also explains why I use 12 different sets of 18 to 20 numbers. Someone might say why use 20 numbers. When you play the reds you are betting that the 18 red numbers will win against the 20 remaining numbers, 19 in Europe. So like it or not, 19 or 20 numbers is part of the action. I just include it on the inside table layout sets. An example would be noticing if the greens are hot, use the inside sets. If the greens are cold use all 12 sets. I never assume that a condition will be dominant before finding out for myself what is really happening. I always wait to see what the real conditions are and then adjust to take advantage of it. I know that I'm reacting to past spin results. It works sometimes. Sometimes it does not. I have a plan for each condition. Sometimes you can't see anything. That is what you are saying above. I know. It's just a condition that will change. It's like flying on instruments through a mountain range, trusting your altitude and location to the instruments. You must have the patience to see it through. The clear air will appear ahead. And yes, that is very challenging.
The skill is in recognition to any condition and having the experience to know what is typical. Those are acquired values. It's like telling someone something but not being able to understand it for them. Knowing that a condition of opportunity will come and that I will reach my very easy to achieve quit point is far different than waiting for a massive win streak that makes descending deep worth it. It's two different challenges. It may sound corny or simplistic. But it just happens to work for me. I know that stop points have been discussed for decades on these gambling forums. They were not much in my game at all. Now they are. People change.
Quote from: greenguy on May 31, 2018, 08:29:38 AM
Sometimes lots of things work really well, and then sometimes they don't. The opposite is also true.
Gizmotron seems to focus and engage his free spirited play on this premise. I really don't see why that's so hard for people to accept.
Whoever else has an interest in playing the game this way might very well pay for some form of tuition to do so.
I'm fine with that, why aren't you?
Gizmo, when you opened your school, how much money in total did you earn from your students?
Let me put forward some perspective before you answer. A little while back I bought ten toy marbles form an auction house for $40. That's right, ten. I sold those ten toy marbles on ebay for $12,000.
What's my point? Give me a break, who should really care if some of us guys make a bit of dough from our expertise, whatever that may be?
Somebody, quite a few somebodies really wanted my marbles, so they paid the price.
Absolutely spot-on, IMO. Thanks for the great comment! Seriously, Glen.
Quote from: CourierPete on May 31, 2018, 11:16:02 AM
I agree, just go with your intuition. Some days you're just playing worse, and sticking to a system won't fix that.
Now you are using your noggin. You could actually keep track of your wins and losses in a chart too. My wwwLLwwL lists make it easy to see the results. So I prefer to call it analysis. I'd use my intuition for one thing though. Is the over all condition that the session is easy or difficult? In other words am I just battling to break even and even that is hard? A session can just be hard. It must be a condition that can be expected to happen. My plan is to take a break if that happens.
Quote from: alrelax on May 31, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
Absolutely spot-on, IMO. Thanks for the great comment! Seriously, Glen.
I knew that you would like it. It happens to be close to the way that you play. There are those of us that play with a kind of agility to what they are seeing. You have been writing about that for the past year or so. There was a guy years ago names Spike. He plays that way. It might not be provable by a math algorithm but it works for me just the same.
Quote from: greenguy on May 31, 2018, 08:29:38 AM
Sometimes lots of things work really well, and then sometimes they don't. The opposite is also true.
Gizmotron seems to focus and engage his free spirited play on this premise. I really don't see why that's so hard for people to accept.
Whoever else has an interest in playing the game this way might very well pay for some form of tuition to do so.
I'm fine with that, why aren't you?
Gizmo, when you opened your school, how much money in total did you earn from your students?
Let me put forward some perspective before you answer. A little while back I bought ten toy marbles form an auction house for $40. That's right, ten. I sold those ten toy marbles on ebay for $12,000.
What's my point? Give me a break, who should really care if some of us guys make a bit of dough from our expertise, whatever that may be?
Somebody, quite a few somebodies really wanted my marbles, so they paid the price.
I opened the school to have an experience where complaining about the math / edge was set aside. We just discussed trends, perception, change, and also got caught up in the TurboGenius' progression. I spent allot of time on proving that the global effect really exists. I charged because I finally went ahead and built the AI charting program that made bet selections on changes that the software perceived were advantages. I gave that software to each student. I made about $800 from six months work. But what I really got was a civil discussion from a little more than 20 people that asked questions and got answers. It was fun too. I'm pretty much open about it now. I know that making movements, like swing trading, is not easy. If it were there would not be a stock market. I honestly don't know if anyone learned anything. People have kept in touch with me through email. I answer their questions. I've done this twice in the past ten years. There is no need to do it again. I tried to share my experience in perceiving opportunities that come along. This was all done when my attitude to hit the big win streak was my goal. Things have changed since then. I've openly shared those changes.
Quote from: greenguy on May 31, 2018, 08:29:38 AM
Sometimes lots of things work really well, and then sometimes they don't. The opposite is also true.
It's like you are saying: "sometimes you are lucky and sometimes you are unlucky..." Do you really believe there is something skillful or intelligent in this?!
Gizmotron seems to focus and engage his free spirited play on this premise. I really don't see why that's so hard for people to accept.
Really??
You must be working us!
Whoever else has an interest in playing the game this way might very well pay for some form of tuition to do so.
To pay in order to see how one could be lucky?!
I've yet to see skills which are enabling luck when you need it, but I've heard about horse-shoe, rabbit foot and bat's bone as lucky charms, you might even combine them all together for even greater results.
On another forum there was someone who was claiming that he was a teacher of Martingale progression...go figure!
I'm fine with that, why aren't you?
Because I'm not you.
Gizmo, when you opened your school, how much money in total did you earn from your students?
Let me put forward some perspective before you answer. A little while back I bought ten toy marbles form an auction house for $40. That's right, ten. I sold those ten toy marbles on ebay for $12,000.
What's my point? Give me a break, who should really care if some of us guys make a bit of dough from our expertise, whatever that may be?
I agree with this point but some people are feeling like teenagers who are so excited, like after their first sexual experience and want to let us all know about their "achievements".
So instead of learning something useful we listen to useless info like: "I went there, ate that, bought this, won this amount...etc"
There are all kind of strokes for all kind of folks...
Somebody, quite a few somebodies really wanted my marbles, so they paid the price.
Blue "It's like you are saying: "sometimes you are lucky and sometimes you are unlucky..." Do you really believe there is something skillful or intelligent in this?!"
I do. You can label it any way you want in order to attempt to marginalize it. I really believe that anyone can acquire the skill irregardless of their intelligence. It's not just luck. It takes self awareness skills too. A person must control their emotions and their natural tendencies with respect to human nature. You act like seeing upticks in a candlestick chart is some kind of brainless activity. You imply that there can't be a skill and that there can't be any intellect involved.
So ask yourself this. Why would anyone gamble without skill or intellect? You are a needy personality. You need to confine me to unskilled and ignorant in order to please your own human nature. What's up with that? You act like one of those smart people that run around saying "even a blind squirrel gets lucky once in a while and finds a nut."
One brainless example is all that is needed. What do you, a skillful and intelligent player, do with a same dozen sleeping for 30 consecutive spins in a row? Are you a lucky squirrel? I'll tell you what you do. You try to figure out dealer signature or wheel bias with some kind of claim of physics as your validation for reason. You claim because you have a tangible advantage, "an edge," that people that depend on luck are unintelligent. That is your entire contribution to gambling forums. It just does not add up. You have settled for second best.
"And did you exchange
A walk on part in a war
For a lead role in a cage?" - Pink Floyd
Sorry, but that's just gambler's fallacy nonsense. :no:
1. You're throwing logic and common sense out the window.
2. You don't have a shred of evidence/math to support your absurd claims.
3. All of the experts, mathematicians, and history say that you're wrong.
4. Since the available number of pockets on the wheel determines the probability of winning, and since the same number pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then the probability of winning doesn't change just because of you're observations over the last 10 or 20 spins. Claiming otherwise is ludicrous.
Quote from: Xander on May 31, 2018, 04:13:39 PM
Sorry, but that's just gambler's fallacy nonsense. :no:
1. You're throwing logic and common sense out the window.
2. You don't have a shred of evidence/math to support your absurd claims.
3. All of the experts, mathematicians, and history say that you're wrong.
4. Since the available number of pockets on the wheel determines the probability of winning, and since the same number pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then the probability of winning doesn't change just because of you're observations over the last 10 or 20 spins. Claiming otherwise is ludicrous.
Answers:
1.) Let's see if that is true?
2.) There's no evidence that they are absurd. Please show that.
3.) I'm an expert and part of history. You guys all have a turd in your pockets, "we."
4.) You don't need probability to be in your favor in order to win consistently. That is the flaw in your so called superiority. Where is the math that proves that you need probability on your side in order to claim a winning strategy? This single question sums up all the years of your prestigious claims. You, "we with a turd," need to come up with something better than a self serving dogmatic posturing. I have the logic that undoes all your lame arguments. Prove that probability has to be in your favor in order to win. Prove it. Go ahead we. And don't we we your pants.
@ Giz,
It is in the intellect of an educated mind to entertain a subject even if he/she doesn't agree with it.
Your philosophy is sound because when you are unlucky you are losing less and when you are lucky you are winning more, I got it, it's all about the money management after all.
How I consider this is another matter, but if you'd asked me then I'd respond that is good as long as you have nothing better.
As you see everything somehow is relevant, for you 100,000 could be your whole world and for Donald Tramp just a piece of his hair...
Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 31, 2018, 05:14:42 PM
@ Giz,
It is in the intellect of an educated mind to entertain a subject even if he/she doesn't agree with it.
Your philosophy is sound because when you are unlucky you are losing less and when you are lucky you are winning more, I got it, it's all about the money management after all.
How I consider this is another matter, but if you'd asked me then I'd respond that is good as long as you have nothing better.
As you see everything somehow is relevant, for you 100,000 could be your whole world and for Donald Tramp just a piece of his hair...
Yes, you are right on again. it's a simple, nothing to get excitable about method. I only wish I got this back in 1994. You are right about what success means too. I'm not dead. This is just another day above ground.
This is not for everyone.
Assume you look at roulette with a different perspective.
With a bank account with interest, you get around 0.5% during one-year saving.
That is 5$ if you save and invest 1000$
That is sick and so bad and ridiculous that I don't have words for it.
And stocks are not much better.
Assume you invest in low-risk strategy folder on the stock market with 10% return on investment each year.
That is 100$ if you invest 1000$ during one year cycle.
And don't forget there are 30% taxes on the winnings, so you end up with 70$
That is sick and so bad and ridiculous that I don't have words for it.
But is roulette a better option?
Well, I cannot offer fast or quick money and not for sure easy money.
But I know a way that is much better then what the stock and savings account offers.
I find a way to Parachute for 10$ each day using a very clever selection method.
The selection method has a very high strike ratio and can even fail and you still win.
The reason is that I succeed to mix a random selection process with one mechanical selection process.
There are 356 days during one year and multiply that with 10$ you get 3560$
But I am conservative so after winning half the cost of the Parachute I would cut the unit size to half, regression.
Then operate with casino money and never risk to bust all the way back to scratch.
So around 2670$ as return on investment after one year.
This is how I play and like to look at roulette in the long term.
Losing using this method is like winning the lottery.
Cheers
Interesting. On another forum we are discussing what a "what is enough point" looks like to individuals. My current technique looks like a 30% increase on my bankroll as a good enough point. I try to win that 30% in just two net wins too. Sometimes it takes two spins. Other times it can take 30 to 60. The method doesn't really matter. Do that with a $1000 bankroll and in one year I would have earned a little less than $110,000 before taxes.
I apologize for my typing error, it should say 365 days.
Cheers
Blue_Angel >>> To pay in order to see how one could be lucky?!
I've yet to see skills which are enabling luck when you need it, but I've heard about horse-shoe, rabbit foot and bat's bone as lucky charms, you might even combine them all together for even greater results.
On another forum there was someone who was claiming that he was a teacher of Martingale progression...go figure!
I for one would pay a pretty penny to master the art of being lucky. However, giving one's power away to rabbit feet, bat bones, lucky charms, and the like is not conducive to the goal. Luck is merely a word that poorly describes an uncommon, even unfathomable skill.
Quote from: soxfan on May 30, 2018, 11:39:42 PM
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Someone elsewhere reported there is a 'strong rumour' Gr8Player committed suicide over his baccarat losses.