The "no system" system is the final attempt to get the better of the casino by those who have been there, done it, and tried many so-called "mechanical" systems which require you to stick to a rigid schedule of bets and/or money management.

Sooner or later, you're going to realize that no system will win consistently. The solution? Simple : abandon "mechanical" systems and just GUESS! make up your selections, patterns and progressions on the fly. Learn to "read randomness", cultivate your intuition, etc...

The problem is, this idea just doesn't work, and you're still deluding yourself. The solution is not to abandon "mechanical" systems and embrace "non-mechanical" ones, (whatever they actually are), but to learn why any kind of system based on patterns and progressions cannot work. In fact, the term "non-mechanical" is self-contradictory, because if you knew how and why a non-mechanical system worked, it would no longer be non-mechanical, but mechanical like all the others, and you could then use math or simulations to show that it didn't work.  On the other hand, if you DON'T know how or why your method is working, then you're just guessing, aren't you?

The comfort to be drawn from playing these guessing games (as opposed to applying a structured set of rules) is that they are apparently immune from the math (and the "mathboyz" critiques  ). Gambler's who have "progressed" this far like to feel that they're more sophisticated than their colleagues who are still bumbling around with mechanical systems, and therefore ultimately doomed to fail. It's nonsense of course; the reasoning seems to be : "You can't win by using a system, therefore if I DON'T use a system I will win!". 

They don't seem to realize that although they may be working very hard at guessing, in truth they're just betting randomly, and therefore they have no more chance of getting an edge by betting this way than someone who uses a rigid system mindlessly.

Intuition can be more powerful than rationality. Developing "Blink", the power of thinking without thinking may be the key to the "No System" System.

Well that's your opinion which reflects a rigid mentality and it's based on the conventional "wisdom".


But please answer me honestly, since when it's really better to think and act like the majority (average Joe)?
And I'm not talking only about gambling, but about almost everything...
As a general rule in my life I'm trying to avoid the majority beliefs, habits, mentality, way of life in general.


What is already offered from the few to the many is like a death trap dungeon, whether you've to "be killed" or "kill" just to survive, whether you have to be "victim" or "predator", metaphorically speaking of course.
Where is the middle ground? There is none!


In this world of capitalistic and materialistic values there is no place for human values and romanticism, whether you engage on the vicious cycle of produce and consume or you are being a misfit, contempt and disdain is all you gain.


So MY choice was to live in my own terms and embrace what the majority rejects (or considers unrealistic), my well being doesn't come from ownership but from freedom (with a greater sense), it's not mostly about what I want to have but what I don't.


Why I have to compete with so many others in order for some other to reward and accept me, why my life to be depended from others, why my happiness to be associated with a certain individual?


I've chosen to feel happy because this is the ultimate end after all, isn't it?
Yes, it's a choice but the world doesn't give us many reasons to feel so, that's why I've learned how I can be happy without being depended on conditions out of my control.
I've selected to be useful for ME rather than others, since nobody cares more for others than his/herself then why to permit our life to be constructed around a person or a job or a thing and when that disappears (for any reason) our world would be collapsed, why?


I might sound as an egocentric personality but if we and the system which we are living was more atom-centric, more independent, rather than creating the "master/slave" affairs within all aspects of life, then and only then we could progress to a brand new level of realization, awareness and all together rise above ordinary, expendable things.


What all that has to do with systems?
Is not a system what determines our lives, isn't all subject to probability?
Don't make me give you examples because I would not end even tomorrow!

Blue_Angel, absolutely brilliant. I can't say for sure if it's a great way, to go your own way in gambling, unless you happen to be a pioneer of some sort.


I found my own way after I got my first job and moved out. It was rock climbing. They were still using pitons in Yosemite. My first ice axes were made of wood. Everyone I knew labeled me crazy. I learned from then on, in that first year, to do it all for the personal enjoyment of it all. I only climbed with people that were also tired of the bull stuff, why do you do it questions. Then this guy skis off the Grand Tetons back in 1971. That was it for me. I started that too in the next ski season of 71-72. I had to get really good at rock climbing and mountain climbing just so that I could ski off of never before skied mountain faces. I did all that alone. I knew of nobody that was into this. It was until 1984 when I was introduced to the "Peddle Hop" turn. I found my true calling. I turned 70 degree faces into easy ski turns. I know what it means to go your own way.
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Mike, thank goodness that you don't have perils of wisdom for day trading, swing trading, a Roulette table. Your incites are good enough to act as a red herring or even better a straw man. I suspect you keep this level of mentality up so that it somehow gives you comfort, perhaps something even simpler than that. Your point of view is clear.


If I just bet on the reds alone each spin, I would produce a candlestick chart that would prove my point, that upticks happen all along the way down the mathematical expectation required by the mathBoys. The math oriented absolutists would be happy with such a chart. They would say that it represents the truth. So what about guessing?  Is there a mathematical law that says you can't bet on the upticks? Your argument is that you can't or that nobody can. I know how to stay out of the deep down ticks. Do you suggest that that is a skill that can't exist? Why do you guys use a logic that says you are right and people that guess are wrong? As you can see, if you are not blind, betting on the reds alone produces these down tick and up tick swings. All I do is watch 12 different sets of 18 numbers. I'm not stuck to just the reds. I can see up ticks in any one of the sets. I can guess better than you can pontificate. I have the skill. You don't. Just saying you are right does not actually make you right.


I'm OK with that too. You are too invested in your way to ever consider achieving a skill that for all practical purposes represents a flat earth mentality to you. You can never lower yourself. Too proud.    Too captured by the system that in the end makes you mechanical.

Actually, the "no system" is suicide, to which the "master" of the mechanical systems, Gr8Player, apparently, can now attest.  If reports are true, RIP, sir.

P.S.  Hahaha, watch out Gizmo.  You're officially being watched.  Hehehe.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 30, 2018, 07:21:35 PM
Blue_Angel, absolutely brilliant. I can't say for sure if it's a great way, to go your own way in gambling, unless you happen to be a pioneer of some sort.


I found my own way after I got my first job and moved out. It was rock climbing. They were still using pitons in Yosemite. My first ice axes were made of wood. Everyone I knew labeled me crazy. I learned from then on, in that first year, to do it all for the personal enjoyment of it all. I only climbed with people that were also tired of the bull stuff, why do you do it questions. Then this guy skis off the Grand Tetons back in 1971. That was it for me. I started that too in the next ski season of 71-72. I had to get really good at rock climbing and mountain climbing just so that I could ski off of never before skied mountain faces. I did all that alone. I knew of nobody that was into this. It was until 1984 when I was introduced to the "Peddle Hop" turn. I found my true calling. I turned 70 degree faces into easy ski turns. I know what it means to go your own way.
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Mike, thank goodness that you don't have perils of wisdom for day trading, swing trading, a Roulette table. Your incites are good enough to act as a red herring or even better a straw man. I suspect you keep this level of mentality up so that it somehow gives you comfort, perhaps something even simpler than that. Your point of view is clear.


If I just bet on the reds alone each spin, I would produce a candlestick chart that would prove my point, that upticks happen all along the way down the mathematical expectation required by the mathBoys. The math oriented absolutists would be happy with such a chart. They would say that it represents the truth. So what about guessing?  Is there a mathematical law that says you can't bet on the upticks? Your argument is that you can't or that nobody can. I know how to stay out of the deep down ticks. Do you suggest that that is a skill that can't exist? Why do you guys use a logic that says you are right and people that guess are wrong? As you can see, if you are not blind, betting on the reds alone produces these down tick and up tick swings. All I do is watch 12 different sets of 18 numbers. I'm not stuck to just the reds. I can see up ticks in any one of the sets. I can guess better than you can pontificate. I have the skill. You don't. Just saying you are right does not actually make you right.


I'm OK with that too. You are too invested in your way to ever consider achieving a skill that for all practical purposes represents a flat earth mentality to you. You can never lower yourself. Too proud.    Too captured by the system that in the end makes you mechanical.

I guess you are an adrenaline junky, right?
Have you ever had an accident by the extreme sports?
Was it serious in order to handicap you?


About roulette and specifically the streaks, what about those sessions which are quite choppy?
Or perhaps cannot all selections be on the same choppy phase simultaneously, but in order to be on the selection which is more streaky than the rest you should bet'em all simultaneously and keep only what "pays the rent" if you get my drift. 

Let's say that we had an infinite bank and table limits and we were betting with doubling ups after every loss on any EC.
After 10,000 bets would the net profit obtained exceed the maximum draw-down we had during those 10,000 bets?
In other words, per coup accounts for 1 unit net profit, but the units at risk would be much greater than the total net profit, am I right?


The point is that if the net profit of a system cannot exceed the maximum units at risk then this is a failure.
On the other hand, if the net profit exceeds the maximum risked amount of units then this is a successful method.
Let me clarify that by saying units at risk is not equivalent with units lost.


Let's take a step further and wonder what is better, the system which is netting 1,000 units with 2,000 BR or the system which is netting 90 units with 200 BR?


I've always tried to emphasize the balance between risk and reward, there are not universal limits for what is good or not, but if we compare the money gained VS money risked then regardless of the size of someone's BR the percentages will reflect exactly this relationship, no matter how big or small a bankroll may be.


Do you agree gentlemen?

Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 30, 2018, 09:39:06 PM

I guess you are an adrenaline junky, right?
Have you ever had an accident by the extreme sports?
Was it serious in order to handicap you?


About roulette and specifically the streaks, what about those sessions which are quite choppy?
Or perhaps cannot all selections be on the same choppy phase simultaneously, but in order to be on the selection which is more streaky than the rest you should bet'em all simultaneously and keep only what "pays the rent" if you get my drift. 

"I guess you are an adrenaline junky, right?"


I'm just the opposite. There's a very old axiom in mountain climbing lore. It goes like this: "Relax your mind." The entire point of all this hard core rock climbing stuff is to not get nervous, don't let your hands sweat. Don't tremble. Don't waste energy, conserve muscle strength.  Adrenalin causes all those things to jump off the scale. In a way it's a kind of mind control.


"Have you ever had an accident by the extreme sports?
Was it serious in order to handicap you?"


Yes and no. I sprained my knee twice. I got bruised a few times. My first year at ski extreme I almost died in front of 1,000 spectators. I cartwheeled out of control down a maintain face above an Aerial competition going on. Before going over a 150 ft cliff, after cartwheeling down 800 vertical feet, I came to a stop five feet from the top edge. There is no way to stop yourself once you start to cartwheel. I took a "screamer" down a vertical face rock climbing over an overhang. I hit a 2 inch wide ledge just before the rope tightened up. That was like trying to put your left heal up your butt while getting squished into a 10 gallon bucket. I was only out of work for two weeks on that one. That's it. I might be the first person to base jump an airplane down a rock face. That didn't even jazz me up. That was pure execution. "Relax your mind." There are hundreds of stories and many other types of extreme adventures that I got pretty good at. I even let Golf kick my rear. Now that is very hard to relax about. Golf can really mess with your mind.


What about streaks and choppy?


I like choppy. Choppy is an indicator too. If any recognizable thing, be it a fantasy in seeing it or not, if that thing continues then you can adjust to it. If the characteristic continues for just one spin then your risk to go further is a free chance after you win from it. This is what happens. You see a connection within the past few spins. You then place a bet that is a wish. Sometimes that wish comes true. Sometimes it does not. I really don't care much. I know that the guesses will have small upticks. Any loss is an indicator that I'm no longer in an uptick part of a session. I stay out until I do start to go up again. For me to lose mathematically I must stay in on all the down ticks. I don't. It's a matter of watching the chop vs the bigger movements. I play loose, like standing on a mountain top and seeing my line. Pushing off on a Roulette table is like a kiddie ride at the arcade. There's no adrenaline. Just keep your focus and your plan.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 30, 2018, 10:16:50 PM
I've always tried to emphasize the balance between risk and reward, there are not universal limits for what is good or not, but if we compare the money gained VS money risked then regardless of the size of someone's BR the percentages will reflect exactly this relationship, no matter how big or small a bankroll may be.

Do you agree gentlemen?

I agree with that observation of the percentage staying the same. In fact bankroll size is the only thing I'm trying to lock down right now. That's why I'm practicing so much for this. It comes down to percentage of sessions won vs losses too. I always look for the balance point.

In my local casino, the following line appears on the screen intermittently, "It is true unicorns are not real, but the house's advantage is." But after reading how the in-house experts consistently beat the house with systems, I have started to believe in unicorns.

My style is not but recently tested a pure mechanical style over 1175 live dealt shoe and show a profit of just better than two unit per. That profit is equal to slightly more than twice the original required life times bankroll. Of course, the mathite might say that 1175 shoe is not the "long run" but that's equal to about a year's worth of full times play for me, hey hey.

Quote from: Garnabby on May 30, 2018, 09:33:33 PM
Actually, the "no system" is suicide, to which the "master" of the mechanical systems, Gr8Player, apparently, can now attest.  If reports are true, RIP, sir.

P.S.  Hahaha, watch out Gizmo.  You're officially being watched.  Hehehe.

Bwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the garnabby is back. So, do tell, what has befallen the gr888888888888888888888888one, hey hey?

Quote from: james on May 30, 2018, 11:25:26 PM
In my local casino, the following line appears on the screen intermittently, "It is true unicorns are not real, but the house's advantage is." But after reading how the in-house experts consistently beat the house with systems, I have started to believe in unicorns.

It's not much of a system. In fact it is as old as the hills. Bet big when you are doing good, bet small when you are doing bad. Of course you must figure out that math won't help you much when it comes to good and bad streaks or stretches. The house's advantage won't stop good or bad streaks from occurring. It takes cognition. There is no math formula for cognition. Therefor there is no math formula for unicorns.

Quote from: soxfan on May 30, 2018, 11:39:42 PM
Bwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the garnabby is back. So, do tell, what has befallen the gr888888888888888888888888one, hey hey?

Yeah, what happened?

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 30, 2018, 11:44:14 PM

It's not much of a system. In fact it is as old as the hills. Bet big when you are doing good, bet small when you are doing bad. Of course you must figure out that math won't help you much when it comes to good and bad streaks or stretches. The house's advantage won't stop good or bad streaks from occurring. It takes cognition. There is no math formula for cognition. Therefor there is no math formula for unicorns.

So all boils down to: 2,1,2,3,4,5...etc
The progression alone makes you winner?
The cognition or the recognition of patterns??
If I see number 12 is around how can I know that this is not a hunch but clairvoyance?
HUH??