That was all about a simple step-in. When we are talking about step-out we will also talk about when to reenter once stepped out. But at the moment, just a recap on step-in, when an EC hits twice (not necessarily in succession), assume that EC is dominating and step-in with bets on the EC that reached two times first. As easy as drinking water.

Step-out
Now things get a little complicated. We have now decided to put our head inside lion's mouth. Despite you having years of practice in circus, if you are not taking the head out at the right time, you might lose your life. Now there are three options that are possible. There is chance that you keep on going inside the mouth and you might choke the lion to death. Other outcome is you get swallowed.  And the final one is you take the head out before getting swallowed and feed the lion a little to make it happy and keep the circus going. My Choice is very simple and it is the 3rd one, everyone is happy.
This is the approach that we need to do. Don't go for the ultimate jackpot, don't go for the ultimate death, play safe and steady.

When you step in, as we said we are making an assumption. How do you know your assumption is right or wrong. YOU WILL NEVER KNOW. Don't get fooled if someone says they can predict outcomes. So what are we going to do now, how do we know what to do?

We wait for three signals.
1. The dominance to end
2. There is a double loss
3. After 3 wins (not consecutive) there is a loss.

Let me explain better with examples.
RR – we assumed R dominates and enter the fray with bets on Red.
Next spin B – Continue betting on Red as none of the 3 signals came into picture
Next spin B – Stop betting. Two signals, dominance ended, there is a double loss.

BRR – R dominates and we started betting Red
Next spin B – Stop betting. One signal, dominance ended.

RBB – B dominates and we start on Black
Next spin B – Continue
Next spin B – continue
Next spin R – Continue, as none of the signals came into picture
Next spin B – continue
Next spin R – Stop. One signal, After 3 wins, there is a single loss.

RBR – R dominates and we start on R
B – Stop, One signal, dominance ends

RR – R dominates and we start on R
B – Continue on R
R – Continue
B – continue
R – continue
B – Continue
R – Continue
B – Stop. One signal – single loss after 3 wins

RBR – R dominates, so we start on R
R – continue
R – Continue
B – Continue
B – Stop.One signal, double loss

So the step out is not only to correct when we incorrectly went in, but also to automatically limit on not going too much that the balance starts to appear and you always end up in negative outcome.

As we incorrectly stepped in, we might as well incorrectly step out. But that's part of the game. As you can see, we are trying to accommodate most of the patterns that appear and disappear in a very dynamic manner. We are trying to accommodate a chopping and streaking table. We are trying to accommodate singles and series of 2 or more. We are trying to accommodate hot and cold patterns. We might miss some, but the key is we must catch more than we miss.

We have to treat every entry point as attack. And then whether we fight the battle depends on whether the battle field favours us. If it doesn't, retreat gather and reattack. If it favours, go until you lose your energy and then retreat. Any session will contain a number of attacks and retreats before we call it a day.

Any questions ask, as this is not the end. Once we understand step out, we should talk about re-entry signals.

Pockets

First let me say I find this fascinating.  A lot of work on your part.  Thanks a ton.....

Now for my question:

BRR – R dominates and we started betting Red
Next spin B – Stop betting. One signal, dominance ended.........you wrote..

Now if B comes it looks like this B R R B.  Since the last three are dominated by red, why do we stop?

And why did the dominance end?

Sam

Hi Pockets

Thanks for your great work and for sharing.
I have one query in relation to stepping out where you indicates at line 3 above " 3. After 3 wins (not consecutive) there is a loss".
Assuming there are 3 consecutive wins, I think we can let the winning streak going  on.....; No need to get out as long there is no loss yet;
Is it correct....?  Thanks

Cheers

Rouletta

 
Many don't know that you need to win two in a row to get +1 unit flat betting as each sequence end with a loss.
That is one reason Regression is superior ... you win once and you can not lose it all back ...

Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 24, 2013, 05:24:18 PM
A lot of work on your part.  Thanks a ton.....

Thanks for the kind words Sam. Very negligible compared to the dedication and time you devote to the game.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 24, 2013, 05:24:18 PM
BRR – R dominates and we started betting Red
Next spin B – Stop betting. One signal, dominance ended.........you wrote..

Now if B comes it looks like this B R R B.  Since the last three are dominated by red, why do we stop?
And why did the dominance end?

Sam, A very good question. At the moment am looking only into a quantum of time. Am not going just 3 spins back to understand the dominance.
Taking the example that you have mentioned, B R R B. Let say two people enter the casino Tom and Dick. Tom enters first and sees the numbers from B, R and R. So he will start betting on Red as the dominant and continue betting until the signal to step out. Once the signal to step out comes along, he stops and will look for the next signal to get in. So when B appears next, he is having 2 reds and 2 black, so no clear dominance from one colour. He steps out and tracks spins for next signal to get in.

Dick enters the casino a little late, when R spins first. So the first 2 spins for him are RR. R is dominating, so he starts betting R. Next spin B. None of the signals to get out is visible yet. R is still dominating, so he continues R. Now if the next spin is B as well, he will step out and wait for a trigger to get in again. If the next spin is R, he continues betting R.

So, instead of overlapping quantum of times with a ladder based approach, am looking for a fixed quantum of time once I get in till I get out, for this study. The dominance is considered for this quantum of time and it is not considered for a fixed 2 spin or 3 spin period, but dynamically over this quantum of time. Hope I answered your query.

Quote from: Rouletta on October 24, 2013, 05:24:36 PM
Assuming there are 3 consecutive wins, I think we can let the winning streak going  on.....; No need to get out as long there is no loss yet;

Quote from: Sputnik on October 24, 2013, 09:06:36 PM
Many don't know that you need to win two in a row to get +1 unit flat betting as each sequence end with a loss.
That is one reason Regression is superior ... you win once and you can not lose it all back ...

Rouletta, I think Sputnik indirectly answered your question. Essentially to win in flat betting, you need more than 50% wins if you are playing ECs, more than 34% wins if you are playing dozens and so on. So for ECs it boils downs to 2 wins every 3 spins to be able to get ahead in the smallest attack possible.

The reason we are going one ahead and stopping at 1 loss after 3 wins, is because we don't want to lose the advantage we gained in this attack sequence. We want to win as many attacks as possible to be able to end the session in a plus.

Now, the question is why lose when the EC you are betting is dominating and giving you series while the opposite EC is giving single. Very thoughtful question. We will talk about it in a bit more details when we talk about re-entry strategy. But as a preview, just think about tracking for a signal to get in after we have stopped on a single loss. You will realize that you will keep getting on to the same dominating EC if it has been streaking continuously. More when we talk about re-entry points.

Pockets

This is no criticism.  I once wrote a piece named "New Eyes On the Marquee".  (I can't find it!)  Anyhoo...........I laid out the dilemma you describe with your two guys.

I came to the conclusion that if Tom could sit down and get a trigger before Dick did, there was something wrong.  All players should see the same trigger, IMO.  (There, Drazen.)

So I just naturally assumed you were just looking back three spins as that is what you normally would do.  You must have a dominance in three spins, zero excluded.

Drifting off a bit...........

This is a type of HAR as you're not wanting to play back-to-back triggers.  As with HAR, I always asked if the fellow who sit down when you left--is he doomed to loose?  Can't be, can it? 

Carry on...

Sam

Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 25, 2013, 02:24:44 PM
All players should see the same trigger, IMO.  (There, Drazen.)

But I see the same trigger(S) every time, Sam. What I don't see the same is how much and how long I bet on situations after that. And that isn't the same.

Cheers

Drazen

I meant I used the "IMO" abbbbrrreeevaaation.  Can't answer your question!  Hopefully Pockets will later on.

Sam

Hi Pockets

Thanks for the response and clarification. It all makes sense.

Cheers

Rouletta

Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 25, 2013, 02:24:44 PM
This is no criticism. 

Sam, The reason I post is to seek inputs and feedback. Mankind would not be where they are today, if they didn't learn to accept feedback and continuously improve in the journey towards perfection. I welcome your thoughts anyday being a big fan of yours.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on October 25, 2013, 02:24:44 PM
I once wrote a piece named "New Eyes On the Marquee".  (I can't find it!) 

How can I forget it Sam. Here it goes for others who doesn't know what it means.

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What are new eyes on the marquee?  It is simply another person who sits down quite some time after you do and he sees a new perspective on what is happening.  My ideas are these, and I'm not sure I'm willing to accept them as truth, but here goes.
There are two times when your system will fail.
1.      When the new eyes, playing exactly by your rules, finds a bet you must pass on.
2.      When the new eyes, playing exactly by your rules, does not find the trigger which caused you to start betting.  (I will say, I am used to seeing ten to twelve numbers on the marquee at Dublin or Riverbelle or CasinoWebCam.  A person who tracks for himself is a different story.)

A woman once asked me how to people could play the same system and one win and one lose.  I think this could answer it in part.  One might be betting and tap out while the other is waiting for a trigger.

This phenomenon happens in many systems, but never in one where you are waiting for red to hit five times and then start betting black.  Everyone sees a bunch of reds, even if the whole marquee is red and they would start betting on black.  Just a silly example, you know!

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There are lots of your theories I just adore, another example of Two Cat Universal Profit theory if you remember it.

Coming back to the point, as you have described in the last paragraph above Sam, there are some systems which are immune to this theory. But I hear your point loud and clear. As I am still in the process of developing this, I will have to take this point on board to see how it impacts the results. As it stands now, it might look like, to a certain extent it is immune to this, which you will see when I describe the re-entry signals. The reason is because, I am trying to capture a dynamic pattern in an attack and not defined numbers. So barring the first dynamic pattern, both Tom and Dick in the example should converge at some point. But you are right, there are times when it falls for it. I need to look at this a bit more deeper to see how it impacts and how we can adapt.

Another interesting thought,
Trigger - An event that precipitates other events
Signal - An indicator
There is a borderline difference between them. The reason I used signal to get in and get out, instead of Trigger is because of this reason. I am not using the "first to reach 2" as a trigger for Reds to come. I am just using it as a signal to assume it might be the start of a Red dominance in this attack sequence.

Finally, it doesn't make any difference to my session, if I use a signal to get-out and I travel back spins to locate whether there was a signal to get-in so that I start in the next spin. But it will be my next attack. So just going back to the example, BRRB, one attack is getting in at BRR and getting out at B. The next attack will start at RRB and will continue until there is a signal to get out. Hope this paragraph specifically answers the query that you have raised Sam.

Adaptability, Evolution, Change – Defining terms. Apologies for leaving the thread hanging and leaving the PMs unanswered on this thread. Sam GOT ME THINKING. His "New eyes on the marquee" brought in a new vision in the way this flat betting game can be approached. I have been silent testing and shaping this approach behind the scenes. I have tested it for more than a month's Wiesbaden spins and is coming out in the positive. Let me try explaining the approach in as simple terms as possible. Once I define it, you will realize this can be approached in a number of ways using the same concept.

As a starter for ten, I completely ditched the earlier approach I was trying to explain. Well, not completely, retained the "Dominance" concept. So bet is still around the dominance concept that in short cycles of two possible outcomes, one side will remain dominant and one will remain dormant. The fresh look on the approach is based on the fact that the result should remain the same for a person who is starting the game now and someone who will start/started the game x spins before/after. It should not be different to different entry points.

Now keeping this in mind, how do we determine dominance. Then I came across the bing of an idea from Skakus aka the bell on the door, "Race to five". Ofcourse this is a very old idea that has been practiced by gamblers across the world for some time now, but I have given it a little whack with Sam's glasses.

Even though I will get into complex elements of how to combine it with multiple ECs and a dozen and column into the mixture, let me try explaining the simple synopsis first with everyone's favourite ECs Red and Black. It is very simple, once you get to a table, you just trace back in the marquee and count red and black individually. The EC which reaches the count 4 is the one you will choose to bet. So lets say the marquee reads RRBRRBRRBBBRRBRB with B being the latest spin, you start counting backwards. You realize that B is the one that reaches the count 4 first. So your next bet is B. Once the spin is over, whether it is a loss or win you keep repeating the process until either it's time for you to go home or you run out of money or you just feel happy to leave the table.

Before getting into why it works and other conditions to look forward to, to make it more profitable, I will explain this with example so that my scrapings become meaningful.

Very good, Pockets.  Please continue...

Picked up table 3 spins from Wiesbaden 12/11/2013 to show an example of how my scrapings make sense. Please note, I have just used these as an example to show how the dominance capture mechanism works across the different ECs. We will get to more details on the bet after this example.

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Spins,R/B,Win/loss,Count,H/L,Win/loss,Count,O/E,Win/loss,Count
30,R,,,H,,,E,,
18,R,,R1,L,,H1,E,,E1
31,B,,R2,H,,H1/L1,O,,E2
21,R,,R2/B1,H,,H2/L1,O,,E2/O1
33,B,,R3/B1,H,,H3/L1,O,,E2/O2
29,B,,R3/B2,H,1,H4/L1 - bet high,O,,E2/O3
27,R,,R3/B3,H,1,H4/L0 - bet high,O,1,E0/O4 - bet odd
30,R,1,R4/B3 - bet red,H,1,H4/L0 - bet high,E,-1,E0/O4 - bet odd
2,B,-1,R4/B3 - bet red,L,-1,H4/L0 - bet high,E,-1,E1/O4 - bet odd
35,B,1,R3/B4 - bet black,H,1,H4/L1 - bet high,O,1,E2/O4 - bet odd
18,R,-1,R2/B4 - bet black,L,-1,H4/L1 - bet high,E,-1,E2/O4 - bet odd
14,R,-1,R3/B4 - bet black,L,-1,H4/L2 - bet high,E,-1,E3/O4 - bet odd
30,R,1,R4/B2 - bet red,H,1,H4/L3 - bet high,E,1,E4/O1 - bet even
22,B,-1,R4/B2 - bet red,H,1,H4/L3 - bet high,E,1,E4/O1 - bet even
20,B,-1,R4/B3 - bet red,H,1,H4/L3 - bet high,E,1,E4/O0 - bet even
29,B,1,R3/B4 - bet black,H,1,H4/L2 - bet high,O,-1,E4/O0 - bet even
10,B,1,R3/B4 - bet black,L,-1,H4/L0 - bet high,E,1,E4/O1 - bet even
36,B,1,B4 - bet black,H,1,H4/L1 - bet high,O,-1,E4/O1 - bet even
,Total,1,,,5,,,0,
[/csv]

Pockets


Like Sam said .... Please continue




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