This is an ELITE forum

[Razor]

From the day I sign up in this forum(even before that) I saw that the majority of the members in here are old roulette researchers with solid knowledge of the game.
This is a good thing but it also has the bad side of it.

The bad side that I can see(in my opinion) is that we know that is more luckily that the game can not be beaten(this is what our research all those years has shown so we are wiser now and less exited).
So this thing has the result of not posting ideas or methods because we are afraid what the other memebrs will say and turn down our ideas with negative posts.
This is really bad ...
This is a roulette forum that means that without new ideas/brainstorming,nothing will go ahead.

I suggest 3 things
1)Noone should be posting negative posts.. "negative" posts should be starting with "my opinion is that....but maybe i am mistaken so will have to see" etc.
2)The moderation should be really strict.
3)Even if someone is posting negative posts, the better thing we can do is ignore him and continue posting our observations and opinions.

This was my observation and I posted this in order to have a better forum.
Thanks for reading.

[Albalaha]

It is an open space. If someone writes a method, he should illustrate that on one two real sessions. A method is subjected to insult if it has nothing worth considering. Good and workable ideas are always welcomed by the majority. It is spontaneous. Use of filthy language and personal attacks should be avoided.

[TwoCatSam]

Razor

You cut to the heart of the matter.  (Pun intended!)

Yes, post!! 

There are sooooo many ways to say something won't work without calling a person names.  You are so right.  "Well, it's been my experience that____________________.", is so much better than calling someone a demeaning name.

You never know when someone will post something that will spark someone else and so on and so on until something really good comes of it.

Sam

[Superman]

So this thing has the result of not posting ideas or methods

Because there are no magic triggers, random keeps changing

"negative" posts should be starting with "my opinion is that....

my opinion is that.... you can only win consistently by playing almost every spin on EC's switching between FTL & OTL, EC's are the best odds you can get from the table, MM plays a massive part in it too.

95% of members are here for one thing only, a METHOD/SYSTEM that's going to make them money, it's sad but it's also true.

3)Even if someone is posting negative posts, the better thing we can do is ignore him and continue posting our observations and opinions

what's the point in keeping your head in the sand, let's take Ignatus (a from member) as an example, he's been posting ideas for months, each time he is told it won't work, he ignores this and plods on posting his winnings all the time, then bam, he loses the lot plus more.

If you are happy to THINK a method will win more than it loses, good luck to you but you can't expect other members to not try to help.

If you go back into the past threads and look how many times someone has made/designed/found the best thing since sliced bread you will also see how it fizzles out eventually, then they move on.

I am not negative but I have been coding bots for years, ALL methods fail badly at some point, the way I currently play is the same as other esteemed members here, I only play RNG because there is NO DIFFERENCE between RNG and real wheels except the speed, random is random, how you use your money is probably 80 - 90% of the overall attack.

All my opinion of course but it works for a few of us, there's too many members who don't want to think they just want it on a plate, human nature I guess.

[Razor]

Razor

You cut to the heart of the matter.  (Pun intended!)

Yes, post!! 

There are sooooo many ways to say something won't work without calling a person names.  You are so right.  "Well, it's been my experience that____________________.", is so much better than calling someone a demeaning name.

You never know when someone will post something that will spark someone else and so on and so on until something really good comes of it.

Sam

You are soooooooooo right!

[Razor]

Yes super man what you said is also my opinion.
But for example Ignatus is a member that MAYBE his expirience in roulette is far less than yours and mine that we KNOW that every system is failling on the long run.
So what?
This is how you and me were some years ago that we didn t have the expirience that we have now...
You were exited.....do you remember?
I was exited....Oh yes I remember!

If you aren t exited in something, then you don t have the motive-spark to go on.
Exitement and hope is what keeps us going in our research....
After all you are still in forums...this shows that even though your spark is little...it s still there.I am in the same shoes.

If exitement is over, then the jurney should stop and stop posting on forums too.

By posting negative posts(not you I mean everybody) because by your-mine expirience you  KNOW 100% that "this or that" doesn t work  you just seem like a bad poster and nothing more.

Let the newbies learn from their mistakes...it s the only way...this is how we got to the level of knowledge that we are now and if they have brains they will also come there.
Most of the people if they won t see something with their eyes ,they will not beleave it.
Ofcource they are people that they can t understand what they see...but this is an other story.

And as Sam and I said....we can say our opinions so no "heads in the sand", BUT we should say it in a proper manner in order not to cut the exitement from some members(because they will lose the spark of research).

So in my opinion is that by posting negative things, even if they are true because from our research we know that "this" doesn t work, we are NOT seem like wise guys, but we seem like bad ones and we are just ruining a thread....by ruining a thread we are ruining the forum.

Also if we are buchering every idea-thread with our negativity ,then no one will be posting anything because they will be afraid to do it....
This isn t what we want , isn t it??
Because as Sam correctly said "You never know when someone will post something that will spark someone else and so on and so on until something really good comes of it."

I see all the time threads that have no meanning...no merit...so what?
Should I jump and say "this will not work because...."..... No if so then the forum will be dead in no time.
Which forum do you prefare? The old Gamblers Glen in the times of Turbo Genius or the GG as it is now?

My point of view.

[Razor]

I never said NOT to help the newbies.

ALL I said is help them in a PROPER and GENTLE way in order not to break their wings.
If you read again my post you will realize that.

I agree with some of your points like when you say "what's the point of rehashing the same old s*** over and over, yes it creates a large forum but it also creates a useless forum."

BUT you can t avoid it.
Trying to avoid it , will make you look bad....and fool. Eventhough you will be RIGHT with your negative posts.

Ok that s all said.
Anyone is free to post as ge likes...I just gave an option for the good shake of the forum future

[VLS]

My ideal is for us to be an open, welcoming forum.

I'm an idealist (guilty of charge), but still I'd prefer to lean towards it.

I believe newcomers should feel free to post their ideas without limitations. We already have a "Creativity Adventures" area, but it's visible only to upgraded participants. Later in the month when I deal with re-install and fresh sources it can be accessible to the general public as an incentive to make first posts as well exploring ideas further.

Thanks for bringing up these points dear Razor.

[Gizmotron]

Every few years someone comes along and states the obvious. They point out the stages of learning, as it applies to Roulette and gambling. The first stage is exhausting yourself completely in systems. They search to find a set of rules, triggers, or progressions that will bring a life changing aspect to their existence. This stage leads in several directions. Some become math oriented agnostic fundamentalists. Because of their recent adventure in realism, they become one stage wonders, cynical critics of any further investigation. Others though, don't give up. They look for solutions beyond math. They look right past the odds and look directly at the randomness device, such as the physics of the machine. Others chose to find a way to go along with the randomness from devising ways of understanding its nature. So far, there is no study or research beyond randomness by nature or physics. Perhaps precognition and the development of a gambling's sixth- sense is the last stage? Until then, my money is on understanding randomness.

[Albalaha]

   Well said, Gizmo.

[spike]

my money is on understanding randomness.

That's because randomness is all there is. Studying
anything else in roulette is a waste of time. Even
the math is a waste of time. You don't need math to
know how random works, it'll just slow you down and
clog up your brain. You don't need programs and
computers and bots and all the whistle and bells. You
only think you do.

[Razor]

Easier said than done

[XXVV]

@ Gizmo


Excellent post and thanks Razor.


My money is literally on the 6th + sense.
R
XXVV

[The Crow]

Only when you have absolutely learned everything you need to know about roulette is when you are able to conquer randomness. I have heard that there is a forth dimension, not quite the six dimension; nonetheless, it's another dimension.

TC

[spike]

Only when you have absolutely learned everything you need to know about roulette is when you are able to conquer randomness.

TC

Everything you 'need' to know? Maybe you need to know
almost nothing. And somebody else needs to know almost
everything. What you know about roulette has nothing to
do with understanding random. It exists outside of the game,
you know.