http://news.msn.com/us/gambler-sues-says-he-lost-dollar500000-playing-drunk

One  was   impaired by alcohol  and played one of the worst casino games>>>>>Black Jack. To them it`s a macho game.


This cat would have lost  anyway even if he were sober.


On the other  hand the casino should have been aware  of that  existing  Nevada Law concerning  excessive  number drinks  served to a gambler , even a  to  high roller








My opinion: This  cat deserves to  lose that case . He should have known when to get up.  Undisciplined   show off  in my opinion.


Nathan Detroit.

Yeah....I'm on the fence, I just don't know.

Ken

I don't like it when drunks attempt to blame others for their actions.

However, I hate the predatory action of many casinos even more!  Especially when they thumb their noses at the law.  Gaming law is clear, the casinos aren't supposed to take your action if you're that drunk and impaired!

Quote from: Xander on March 07, 2014, 06:45:36 PM
I don't like it when drunks attempt to blame others for their actions.

Agree 100%.

Quote from: Xander on March 07, 2014, 06:45:36 PM
Gaming law is clear, the casinos aren't supposed to take your action if you're that drunk and impaired!

Ever try to tell a drunk he can't do something?  Ever try to tell a drunk he can't do something in front of his girlfriend?

That could get ugly for sure.

I'll have to go both ways on this one.  The guy was drunk and a jerk, on this we agree.

The casino most probably should NOT have been allowing him to play but perhaps the easiest way out, at the time, was to let him run out of money and go away.

Who knows?

AD

Such losses are obvious when you are losing your mental faculties by over drinking. Casinos never miss such opportunities to extract max out of you. The man lost a very big sum so his anger is obvious and if he was actually comped with "free drinks" even after being highly intoxicated already, he deserves to get back his losses(for the span when he was strategically fed with alcohol) from the casino along with damages.

I played a bit inebriated in Florida this week ,,, it kinda worked for me: )

If he were to win 500,000, would he return it to the casino?

Quote from: Bacluver on March 11, 2014, 12:32:57 PM
If he were to win 500,000, would he return it to the casino?

Only when he is really drunken? 

Casinos are the same the world over.  Recall many years ago a dealer called Robert at SkyCity Adelaide laughingly telling anybody who wanted to listen, dealing to a whale who lost some huge six figure amount playing in a private room and was so pissed had to be held up in his chair while playing some card game.

@Rolex


Then Sky City should be charged with criminal negligence of host duty and care which is taken very seriously in my local casino where sky city has recently sold out its shareholding and in my view good to be rid of them. The loud mouth dealer deserves to be severely warned and his action is a poor statement of internal management and communication within the casino you mention.


In recent years I have always been interested to talk with casino management on a friendly basis and indeed much can be learned both ways. Sometimes chatty personnel discussing staff behaviour while in a pit area can be easily overheard by players and again is not a good look.


Pays to keep in total focus on the game in hand and literally I wear ear plugs sometimes and like a poker player, dark glasses ( where permitted).

I think if someone is visibly, obviously drunk, the casino should not serve them or let them play. It's not ok to take advantage of anyone while they're clearly drunk, in some cases, if you do, you can go to prison for a long time.


I try not to drink when I gamble, but I have before and I tend to lose too much when I drink because it's all a big fun party with lots of laughs. Until I find out how much I lost, then it's feeling guilty and bad.

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on May 01, 2014, 10:03:43 AM
Admittedly, I find it very difficult not to take advantage of all the free drinks on offer.


Last month, or perhaps it was the month before, the casino was serving the current release Penfolds St. Henri as the wine of the month. That stuff is a world class wine and about 75 bucks a bottle, so there's no way I wasn't going to fill up.

I guess I got lucky too because I won some money despite my eyes swimming in fine red wine.

And how can anyone pass up free French champagne?



The casino puts free drinks on the table, and some guests choose to take full advantage of this. So why shouldn't the casino take full advantage of inebriated guests?

Melbourne is a classy city and Crowne Casino is one of the best casinos worldwide, and their choice of wine of the month is also very classy. It demonstrates how much profit they make, but I couldn't agree more. Enjoy.


However.... ( slightly amended May 5 2014)


The last line of your statement does not follow from what goes before. Host responsibility does not permit service to intoxicated customers or to encourage alcohol consumption beyond a reasonable and acceptable level. This is done for multiple reasons including the greater good and a harmonious and safe environment, as well as personal safety again on lots of levels, including not having your wallet stolen, and the threat of assault, and also not to be fleeced by a conspiratorial  dealer and pit team.


Casino surveillance not only seeks out 'cheating' but criminal action, potential violence, disorderly behaviour and drunken behaviour.


There is a line that has to be drawn and every adult should know that level, or be guided to find that level, and as well as a personal responsibility it is a host responsibility in a public commercial occupancy. It also applies in your own home.


'Full advantage' is a generous and gracious acceptance of an enlightened choice by the casino management to provide complimentary drinks. To become drunk on such offerings is like obsessive/ compulsive taking of free buffet offerings. Some do not know when to stop and thus conditions need to be understood and subtle management should handle such. Generally it is fair to say that excess alcohol, and in some cases any alcohol impairs rational judgment. Every case and every day is different but generally this is accepted wisdom. Casinos of course know this and encourage some consumption, but not excess.  It just provides them a further few points of edge to tip the scales a little further, even if you are the world's smartest player with the best method.


I have just finished a re-read of the excellent Bond novel 'Casino Royale', and rightly, many claim it was the best of all, although the first. Ian Fleming was a worldly smart man and his character Bond consumed an alarming amount  and mixture of alcohol before eventually crushing Le Chiffre at the Baccarat Grand Table. In fact had the American money not been present it would be Bond 'on the carpet' in Whitehall. Nevertheless the volume of champagne consumed by him may have resulted in the rather slow reaction to the rather unintelligent ploy to kidnap Vesper. It nearly cost Bond everything. Fortunately, this time we had the Russians to thank. Ian Fleming the master of balance.


Last two years my favourite Casino gave me a card which entitled me to relatively* limitless alcohol of all types and discounted food. I valued the card at about $50,000** p.a. in what I used while playing about four or five days a week. I found my alcohol consumption considerably increased, especially when hosting a friend/ friends and often with aperitif, wine, then spirits I would churn through up to $200 of alcohol/ dining  per evening. Fortunately I played only in the mornings or early afternoon at the tables.

* card had limits but smart use daily could easily get around that ( although the weekly review would show usage)
** audited this figure and now more accurate but still remarkable 'value' - misleading because one of the conditions of use is a minimum level of churn which increasingly exposes the player to risk of loss

This year I refused the card. Speaking with many staff they took the view that the card was earned by personal losses and then some from many players and I notice cynically that the casino offers these cards increasingly to customers who play slots and who seem chained to this particular option.


I am a lot healthier without the card, but it sure helped deal with E/Q stress.


However I know from having spoken, at great depth through personal genuine interest in management styles, to casino host responsibility, that they closely monitor all customers at all times and if anyone 'crosses the line' they are interviewed and invited to pause or even be banned until they have attended a course on 'gaming responsibility/ behaviour as problem gambling is always a risk. As Max Keiser ( episodes #594 and #593 on Keiser Report on RT.com) says 'gamblers never like to talk about their losses' - only he was referring to Wall St bankers and the increasingly debt impoverished American middle class - but that's another story.


I have a saying with world class red Australian varieties - 'the first glass is always the best'.


Now with a meal, that's different.  'Vive St Henri'.