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My internet cat dropped this on my doorstep the other day.

I present it to you without comment, except to note two things:

1  Testing was done on an American wheel

2  Some minor editing to help the flow, but the method is untouched. 


The title of the original -- a bold statement if ever there was one -- screams for the contents to be looked at closely.

So over to you.

Critique the content. Take it apart. Post your comments, tweaks, tests, appraisals.

Your comments can help the less experienced to view these sorts of claims from a more objective standpoint. Perhaps.

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This system has been sold with dozens of names. It is only as good or bad as playing anything else. A bad sequence will make losses irrecoverable.

 
I have seen a very long and aggressive progression using this method.
Don't remember how many step it covers.

I will search and see if i find the topic ...

Cheers

 
Here is the RX code ...
    system "World's Best and Safest Roulette system Ver 2"
{
*************************************
*         System by Zac2170         *
*         on the VIP Lounge         *
*************************************
         Rx-ed by Sp1N-D1zZy
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           00-c0mpatible
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Bet on Low and 3rd Dozen simultaneously with the following progression:

3/2, 9/6, 33/22, 74/36, 240/160, 600/400

On a loss, move up one in progression AND switch betting layout to
opposite of current layout. (If Low and 3rd Dozen, change to High and 1st Dozen.)

On a win, switch layouts back to original. If at 3/2, start again from scratch.
If at 9/6, wait for 2 wins in a row before starting again from scratch.
If at 33/22, again wait for 2 wins in a row before starting from scratch.
If at 74/36, wait for 3 wins in a row before starting from scratch.
If at 240/160, wait for 3 wins in a row before starting from scratch.
If at 600/400, wait for 3 wins in a row before starting from scratch.
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}
method "main"
begin
while starting new session
    begin
    call "Init"
    end
if net > 0
    begin
    copy list [low] record"Even"layout
    copy list [3rd dozen] record"Dozen"layout
    if record"Even"data index = 2 or record"Even"data index = 3
        begin
        add 1 record"Loss Progression"data
        if record"Loss Progression"data = 2
            begin
            put 0 record"Loss Progression"data
            put 1 record"Even"data index
            put 1 record"Dozen"data index
            end
        end
    if record"Even"data index = 4 or record"Even"data index = 5
    or record"Even"data index = 6
        begin
        add 1 record"Loss Progression"data
        if record"Loss Progression"data = 3
            begin
            put 0 record"Loss Progression"data
            put 1 record"Even"data index
            put 1 record"Dozen"data index
            end
        end
    end
if net < 0
    begin
    put 0 record"Loss Progression"data
    add 1 record"Even"data index
    add 1 record"Dozen"data index
    call "Switch Layouts"
    if record"Even"data index > record"Even"data count
        begin
        put 1 record"Even"data index
        put 1 record"Dozen"data index
        copy list [low] record"Even"layout
        copy list [3rd dozen] record"Dozen"layout
        end
    end
call "Place Bets"
end

method "Place Bets"
begin
put 100% record"Even"data record"Even"layout
put 100% record"Dozen"data record"Dozen"layout
end

method "Switch Layouts"
begin
if list [low] pattern match record"Even"layout
    begin
    copy list [high] record"Even"layout
    copy list [1st Dozen] record"Dozen"layout
    end
    else
    begin
    copy list [low] record"Even"layout
    copy list [3rd dozen] record"Dozen"layout
    end
end

method "Init"
begin
copy list [low] record"Even"layout
copy list [3rd dozen] record"Dozen"layout
group
    begin
    display "World's Best and Safest Roulette System"
    display "------------------------------------------------------------------------------"
    input dropdown "Progression
    1:=4 Step
    2:=5 Step
    3:=6 Step" record"Progression Step"data
    end
if record"Progression Step"data = 1
    begin
    set list [3,9,33,74] record"Even"data
    set list [2,6,22,36] record"Dozen"data
    put 1 record"Even"data index
    put 1 record"Dozen"data index
    end
if record"Progression Step"data = 2
    begin
    set list [3,9,33,74,240] record"Even"data
    set list [2,6,22,36,160] record"Dozen"data
    put 1 record"Even"data index
    put 1 record"Dozen"data index
    end
if record"Progression Step"data = 3
    begin
    set list [3,9,33,74,240,600] record"Even"data
    set list [2,6,22,36,160,400] record"Dozen"data
    put 1 record"Even"data index
    put 1 record"Dozen"data index
    end
end

@Albalaha
Yes, it's always a good idea to look at the bottom line/worst case outlay first.

So many inexperienced players don't think to do this as part of risk assessment.

@Sputnik
A great contribution.  :thumbsup:   It makes it easy for those with RX to try it out.

This system could have more merit if you switch the base bets around so that your liability is the current sleeping line. Of course the skill is in determining which line you think will currently sleep long enough to make a profit.


Cheers.

RW's very relevant observation above is  a good point at which to drop the Vallasio system into the mix.

And that's one that I use. (My copy is watermarked with Do Not Copy -- so I won't.)

It's a rather neat flat betting approach to the same method of using just the Low and third dozen (or High and first dozen, of course).

Sadly, a bloke  could die of old age waiting for Vallasio's recommended betting triggers to cut in. So as a personal variation I wrote a program to assess trends as my betting triggers instead.

Outlays are comfortable. Returns are pretty consistent -- so far!

And I religiously stick to 5 units profit or 3 consecutive wins (whichever comes first) as the point at which to stop.

This system is good only for the bet selection as it produce near equilibrium after a long FLAT-bet!
The million dollar grail lies in the PROGRESSION.
Any bet selection that produce nearly equal profit loss, after..., say 100 spins, is always a good bet selection, and throw in a godly PROGRESSION,  and it will be a constant winner!!!

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on July 17, 2014, 02:57:23 AM
This system is good only for the bet selection as it produce near equilibrium after a long FLAT-bet!
The million dollar grail lies in the PROGRESSION.
Any bet selection that produce nearly equal profit loss, after..., say 100 spins, is always a good bet selection, and throw in a godly PROGRESSION,  and it will be a constant winner!!!

Good points, BTW.

I can only repeat my own preference: "And I religiously stick to 5 units profit or 3 consecutive wins (whichever comes first) as the point at which to stop."

Using my software's modified version of the Vallasio System my flat-betting target is usually achieved well within 15-20 spins the most -- usually within 10 spins.

I simply have no inclination to spend any longer than that watching a little white ball. 

In the book The Winning Rules , 1905 this is known as the Ex-Croupiers system (p123).  It's also in my ebook 'Online Roulette The Winning Rules' It's about the only system in it which uses progressive staking. I do play it occasionally but it must be on a no zero or a French Table where half of even money stakes are returned on a zero,

It is in my program Roulette Key Gold (System X) and it is automatically suggested after several of the non winning numbers come up in succession.
However, it is dangerous and I only ever play it for a handful of spins.

I have a short video of it online at a European Table at

http://roulettekeygold.com/videos/ExCroupierSystem/index.html

"However, it is dangerous and I only ever play it for a handful of spins."

Exactly so.

In fact, I'm now so conservative with it I stop on 1 unit profit, and then move on to another strategy altogether. (More details in the thread Here Is A Grail:  http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/here-is-a-grail/ (http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/here-is-a-grail/)  )

I agree it pays to vary strategies and be satisified with small targets.


I sometimes switch to 'The Beginners System' (VII in the Winning Rules and RKG).
1 unit on red, 1 on odd, 1 on the First Dozen


It can reach the target very quickly but it can go on and on.
In the example  below its only a few spins, but even after 30+ it frequently  breaks even
However, unlike the ex-croupiers you don't need to increase stakes.




[size=78%]See http://roulettekeygold.com/videos/Safe/safe.html[/size]

Sorry, but I don't see how stopping after 1 unit profit in any way reduces the risk of a loss. It would only be so if you had solid grounds for making an individual bet in the first place, or you could predict the future. This is the hit and run fallacy rearing its ugly head again.

From the proposition "if you make many bets, you will lose", people seem to be inferring: "therefore, if you don't make many bets, you won't lose". But this latter proposition does not follow. The only conclusion you can validly draw from the first is  "if you haven't lost, you haven't made many bets".

The apparent advantage is an illusion. You are consoled because if you only make 7 bets per week, it will probably take longer to lose than if you made 7 per day. The end result is the same, but in the first case it will take longer to get there.

I just test one selection for fun.
Wait until line 3 or 4 fall into sleep.

Today random org file ...

5
2
6
1
4
5 W
2 W
1 W
1 W
6 W
6 W
6 W
1 W
6 W
5 W
2 W
6 W
4 W
5 W
6 W
3 L

- -

2
1
5
3
6
5 W
6 W
1 W
6 W
3 W
1 W
3 W
6 W
4 L

- -

6
2
4
1
5
6 W
1 W
3 L

- -

6
5
3
5
3
5
5
3
1
3
3
2
4 L

- -

2
1
5
2
6
4
2 W
4 W
2 W
1 W
5 W
2 W
4 W
3 L

- -

1
6
5
5
5
3
2
1 W
5 W
5 W
6 W
5 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
6 W
6 W
4 L

- -

2
3
1
1
6
3
6
1
5
5 W
3 W
5 W
3 W
6 W
6 W
6 W
1 W
1 W
1 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 W
6 W
1 W
2 W
5 W
4 L

- -

What kind of bet is this showing so many wins and almost negligible losses?

Quote from: Albalaha on October 02, 2014, 02:34:42 AM
What kind of bet is this showing so many wins and almost negligible losses?

Albalaha i just showing the examples where line 3 or 4 sleep, then it was many windows where line 3 or 4 did not sleep and i don't show does examples.
This is why it looks that there is so much winnings.

But its true that this example only fail once during 300 trails or got one loss.

I run today random org file and show you the hole file:

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWL
WWWWWWWL
L
WWWWL
WL
WWWWWWWWWWWWL
WL
WWWWWWL
L

6
4
4
3
5
1
2 SKIP

2
4
1
5
6 (LINE 3 SLEEPING)
4 W
6 W
1 W
6 W
5 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
1 W
4 W
4 W
4 W
1 W
4 W
2 W
3 L

1
3
3
2
1
5
2
4
3
1
6 SKIP

3
5
1
2
5
6 (LINE 4 SLEEPING)
5 W
1 W
1 W
3 W
6 W
6 W
6 W
4 L

3
2
1
2
6
1
5 (LINE 4 SLEEPING)
4 L

3
3
3
3
3
5
3
4
3
3
3
3
4
2
3
5
6 SKIP

6
4
1
4
2
2
4
3
4
6
6
2
1
3
6
1
2
4
3
5 SKIP

2
3
3
6
6
6
3
3
1
2
4
5 SKIP

1
1
5
6
2
5
4 (LINE 3 SLEEPING)
1 W
2 W
4 W
6 W
3 L

2
5
5
3
3
5
5
5
6
1 (LINE 4 SLEEPING)
2 W
4 L

3
6
2
6
3
3
4
2
6
6
6
2
1
3
3
2
6
1
6
1
5 SKIP

1
4
6
6
2
1
1
6
5 (LINE 3 SLEEPING)
1 W
6 W
2 W
5 W
6 W
6 W
1 W
4 W
5 W
2 W
4 W
6 W
3 L

6
3
4
5
5
5
1
2 SKIP

5
4
5
4
2
5
4
1
4
4
6 (LINE 3 SLEEPING)
1 W
3 L

2
3
6
5
2
5
1 (LINE 4 SLEEPING)
2 W
1 W
5 W
6 W
1 W
3 W
4 L

6
1
1
1
5
6
6
6
4
1
3
3
3
4
5
4
5
5
1
4
5
4
4
4
3
6
2 SKIP

2
5
2
1
4
5
2
4
4
4
6 (LINE 3 SLEEPING)
3 L

3
3
3
4
4
5
3
4
1
1
6
6
4
4
4
6
1
4
1
6
3
5
6
4
2 SKIP

5
5
5
3
4
4
3
2
2
6
4
5
1
3
6 SKIP

3
2
3
3
6
1
4
1
2

Dear Albahala,
I believe you lose 5 chips  on a loss so sputniks many wins represent a 1 unit gain...
best o luck

Sputnik is that correct? Thanks

 Busted after 68 spins. Glad I didn't pay up for this. [attachimg=1]