This is my video on my race to 50 units in 12 mins, manual play on BVNZ table. Whoever guesses the framework right will get my winnings.
Yes, it's a challenge. Whoever cracks the challenge is going to get a nice framework which I have played and my winnings from this session :) isn't it sweet? Get cracking.
Race to 50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCYDp5V8_3o#ws)
I will probably post some more clues if there is interest. But with every clue, the prize money will decrease by 20% :)
Ok........here is my guess for 100% of prize money
your playing One Dozen, and One Column \Crossfire game.
U bet 1.00 on a Dozen (Say 3rd Dozen), and 1.00 on a Column (say Column A)
If U win on just one of the bets, U net 1.00
If U win on BOTH bets (so both Dozne, & Column hit) U net 4.00
U may also be betting a corner in the same Dozn/Column cross way.
That's the guess from the UK judging panel. :whistle:
One free clue. Its got nothing to do with 123 framework :)
from what I gather you are placing two bets every spin, going +1/-1 on both depending on wether you win or lose
dozens/colums are in play here, that's my guess
EDIT: definitely 1 dozen and 1 column are in play, +1/-1 is used
you made a mistake in the beginning and bet 5 units instead of 4?
and then 7 instead of 6? or did I get everything wrong?
But what interesting challenge. If I had the ability I would take this without hesitation. How curious and I believe it is the first time someone from the forums offer a monetary reward for deciphering a system in public. I congratulate the novel form.
Good luck to those who take it. Would that not be a single chop of 20% remaining for the reward after you need many hints. Hope you have hours of healthy fun.
--Nobody ?????-- :-X :-X
Cross fire bet selection is a dead give away I guess. Aber rest ist nicht korrect. To claim the prize you need to tell me the exact progression used, what is the basis behind choosing the dozen and column being played.
I shall post another free clue soon. Till then get cracking. >:D
Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 24, 2013, 08:13:42 PM
Cross fire bet selection is a dead give away I guess. Aber rest ist nicht korrect. To claim the prize you need to tell me the exact progression used, what is the basis behind choosing the dozen and column being played.
I shall post another free clue soon. Till then get cracking. >:D
well we can't see where you put the chips so how can we figure out how you choose them? FTL is my (blind) guess
as for progression +1/-1 is still my bet
Think I have got it now :nod:
Post the method up later this afternoon. shopping is calling! lol
My Guess.......
Start Balance= 103.15
1st Spin.
Bet 1 + 1 on each Doz/Col......... Balance is 101.15
Bet wins on ONE of the Bet Selections +3net gain
New High Bal is 104.15 (New High Balance, stay at base level chips)
2nd Spin
Bet 1 + 1 on each Doz/Col..........Balance is 102.15
Bet loses on BOTH Bet Selections
New Bal is 102.15 (Lower than starting Bal, so progression to Step 1, on BOTH Bet Selections)
3rd Spin.
Bet 2 + 2 on each Doz/Col..........Balance is 98.15
Bet Wins on BOTH Bet Selections +6net gain
New High Bal is 104.15 (Same as previous High, so reset progression step)
4th Spin.
Bet 1+1 on each Doz/Col............Balance is 102.15
Bet Wins on ONE bet selection only +3
New High Bal is 105.15 (New High, so stay at base level chips)
5th Spin.
Bet 1+1 on each Doz/Col...........Balance is 103.15
Bet Loses on BOTH Bet Selections
New Bal is 103.15 (Lower than New High, so Progression to Step 1, on BOTH Bet Selections)
6th Spin.
Bet 2 +2 on each Doz/Col..........Balance is 99.15
Bet Loses on BOTH Bet Selections
New Bal is 99.15 (Lower than New High, so Progression to Step 2, on BOTH Bet Selections)
7th Spin.
Bet 3+3 on each Doz/Col...........Balance is 93.15
Bet Wins on ONE Bet Selection only +9
New Bal is 102.15 (Lower than New High, so Progression of the Losing Bet Selection to Step 3, reset Winning Bet Select)
8th Spin.
Bet 4+1 on the Doz/Col (Split amounts).......Balance is 97.15
Bet Loses on BOTH Bet Selections
New Bal is 97.15 (Lower than New High, So Progression to Step 4, and Step 2 on the Bet Selections)
9th Spin.
Bet 5+2 on the Dol/Col (Split amounts)........Balance is 90.15
Bet Wins on BOTH Bet Selections (+15 +6= +21)
New High Bal is 111.15 (New High, so reset BOTH Bet Selections to base level chips)
10th Spin.
Bet 1+1 on each Doz/Col ...........Balance is 109.15
Bet Wins on ONE Bet Selection only +3
New High Bal is 112.15 (New High, so reset Progression to base level chips)
11th Spin.
Bet 1+1 on each Doz/Col............Balance is 110.15
Bet Loses on BOTH Bet Selections
New Bal is 110.15 (Lower than New High, so progression to Step 1, on BOTH Bet Selections)
12th Spin.
Bet 2+2 on each Doz/Col............Balance is 106.15
Bet Wins on BOTH Bet Selections (+6+6=+12)
New High Bal is 118.15 (New High, so reset to base level chips.)
Need any more Great Grampa?
;)
Well done chrisbis. You are almost there but not quite there. What you have explained is the starting point of my framework. I will release some more clues over the long weekend so that we get some help in cracking this. And you all will be please to know that the prize money will not get impacted with these hints.
Hi Grampa, Chrisbi and all
I think I have the closing bet; last Spin
Bet 3+3 on each Doz/Col............Balance is 136.15
Bet Wins on BOTH Bet Selections (+9+9=+18)
New High Bal is 154.15, session ends.
Is it correct Grampa....?
Cheers
Rouletta
Quote from: Rouletta on May 25, 2013, 03:43:10 PM
Hi Grampa, Chrisbi and all
I think I have the closing bet; last Spin
Bet 3+3 on each Doz/Col............Balance is 136.15
Bet Wins on BOTH Bet Selections (+9+9=+18)
New High Bal is 154.15, session ends.
Is it correct Grampa....?
Cheers
Rouletta
Here goes my first clue for the weekend. Last bet is 6 units on 3rd dozen which wins me 18 units. Close the game. a bit different from what you thought? :). There is a reason why it is called a challenge.
At spin 41 U produce a New High Balance of 151.15 (is a 2+2 bet selection on BOTH Doz/Col I think, which wins a Net of +12)
At Spin 44 U produce a New Balance of 148.15, this is not a New High, but U do not progress the Doz/Col which has not won, instead U reset both to 1+1
I think U are still betting on both Doz and Col upto at least Spin 48
Spin 48 starts with a Bal of 146.15, and U bet 6 units leaving 140.15
I think its still a bet of 3+3 units on Doz/Col equally, because it produces a Win of +9, which U can only get from a Win on a Doz or Col only, not a win on a Bet of 6 units on one or the other, that would net 18 units.
If U change your bet onto only a Dozen, or Only a Column, then It must have happened after Spin 48
There are 53 Spin/Bets.
It must be, I think, because U got with 10% of your win target, and could see thro-out your session, that a Dozen, or Column was producing a good result, consistently too, so U chose to run into the end zone, with just one of the bet selections.
And this change in direction, and reduction in risk, occurred around Spin 48, when U did not progress the Doz/Col that did not hit.
U reset them both, even tho U had not quite achieved your New High position.
U were close, but decided to slow down the bets, and almost do a +1, +2 run in towards the end.
(Perhaps, because of what was showing on the Marquee, U chose Dozen 3, to finalise your game session)
Chrisbis :applause: This is not for cracking the framework as you are still far off. This is for your knowledge of details, ability to extract insights from it and the desire to crack it. I have decided to increase the prize by 50% and give that to you. Pm me your uk bank ac details or PayPal. I will do the 25eur transfer. Well deserved.
Now as in the observations. There is no change in driection :). The nature of this framework is very dynamic yet static becaus it's all decided at the start. only clue that I can give now is its only dozens and columns. There is a slowdown, but the explanation is not quite rigt. Let's see more answes.
If I don't see any further ability to crack, I shall release the numbers that came on the marquee. :). Big clue right. Watch out!
Morning Great Grampa...... :)
Ok, lets see "like a blind man looking for his black cat, in a blackened basement, wearing nothing but his shades"...if we can shed some light here.
I'm thinking U are seeing a streak of one colour, and a heavy domination of one dozen/column at the beginning of your session.
This leads U to play the "Follow-Me" game of DBL (Decision Before Last)
If U have a streak on the Marquee, but the Dozen is alternating every other spin, then that would make sense, to play for it continuing.
U therefore chose, a Trending Dozen, and a Trending Column, to play the "CrossFire" Doz/Col game, and Use DBL as your Bet Selection.
There is NO Zero, because U tell us so, so that is not a deciding factor here.
So, lets look a these typical Bet Selections.........
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For guests mainly, (most must know these positions by now), here are ALL the possible combinations of Doz/Col bet U can make on a NoZero Roulette Game.
For the slow down to occur, U must see, from the outset, a dominant Dozen occurring, or, if not a Dominant one, then one that has slept for quite a while, maybe, at the end, Spins 50 thro to 53, are played as a +1 progression, on this Sleeping Dozen only, to give U your final Out of session win.
[revealB]Maybe it slept for the 48 spins!![/revealB]
This is entertaining. Better than a tv show.
I'm stayin' out of it. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."...Ann Landers
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 26, 2013, 07:21:09 PM
I'm stayin' out of it. "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."...Ann Landers
Sam...I raise you....
'Tis better to have tried and failed, Than never to have tried at all.....which Tennyson never actually said, but it's a good mantra.('Tis better to have loved and lost, Than never to have loved at all.- Alfred Lord Tennyson)
I see the editing problem with posts is still with us! :o
tiny font cut and paste is starting to grate....I must admit
I'll see you........
"It is better to live in the corner of a housetop than in a wide house with a brawling woman." .......Hebrew Bible...Job
Ill try my all time favorite...and that's it.
I do not know with what weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones- Albert Einstein
No one could top ol' Al!!
Morning All
Doesn't look like there are many takers for this challenge.
Its an excellent way of getting players to learn new (New to them), techniques and playing methods, without it just being sent to one in a PDF.
I for one am very grateful to the originator (GreatGrampa) for his thread.
Right, back to business.
Can we have the spins then now GreatG, and see if I can see what U saw in the starting set up please?
Also..................did u get my PM re-PayPal account.
Cheers
Just wanted to publicly thank GreatGrampa for his very kind prize money of Euro25 :thumbsup:
I have just received his payment via my PayPal
Thank you very much Great G for this generous award. :-[
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OK. As promised, the spins. Unfortunately, I lost the file that contained the spins for the video. So, I have decided to play "race to 50" again. Following is the spin data with the numbers that came up, the units bet and the bank roll position.
As I have told, the prize money remains at 50 EUR. But one small correction, anyone with the correct guess on the method will get 30EUR prize money and the rest which is 20EUR will go to Vic as a sponsorship to keep the forum going. Hope all in agreement and help get Vic get some sponsorship, while raking some money on their own :)
[reveal=Spin data here. 50 units from 70 spins]
Spin Units Bankroll
11 0 0
12 2 1
28 2 -1
2 4 1
35 2 2
19 2 0
10 4 -4
22 6 -10
33 8 -18
21 10 2
1 2 0
10 4 -4
23 6 -1
16 5 9
13 2 13
33 2 11
9 4 7
5 6 1
19 8 -7
22 10 -17
5 12 7
30 2 5
14 4 7
30 2 5
7 4 1
19 6 4
24 5 14
29 2 12
24 4 14
26 2 12
11 4 8
11 6 2
19 8 -6
2 10 14
10 2 15
18 2 13
33 4 9
18 6 3
30 8 7
11 6 1
34 8 -7
25 10 4
11 2 2
15 4 -2
10 6 1
10 5 11
26 2 9
23 4 5
24 6 -1
27 8 3
33 6 15
25 2 16
13 2 17
6 2 15
29 4 11
22 6 23
13 2 27
33 2 25
14 4 27
14 2 31
2 2 32
23 2 33
4 2 31
25 4 27
29 6 30
26 5 40
23 2 41
17 2 45
23 2 49
35 2 50
[/reveal]
Enjoy the game!
It certainly is a good "Game" lol
I am having great difficulty in reverse engineering the method, esp that with Doz/Col combo play, so this always two options for where to place the bet, esp on a Double loss!
I have however, formulated a couple of Rules that I can see within the Framework structure.
- If U Win on Both Doz and Column................I think U stay on the same Bet Selection
- The progression steps never go beyond 6+6=12 (an amount on each Bet Selection)
- On a loss, U don't always move the Bet Selection to a New position(s)
- As U get to, or very near to +40 (within 20% of Target Profit, U switch to playing Dozens only, and U cover Two Dozens
I'm still trying to see the Bet Selection made after each play, and the reason for it.
There are some patterns, and I can see some MM too, tho at one point (in Spin 20) U did confuse me, in that, U had just recovered partially from a drawdown of -17 to a plus of +7, with a Bet Selection on Doz/Col or 6+6=12, but U did not continue on with the progression, even tho U were not at your original New High. Instead U reset to base level of 1+1=2
Curious......!
I'm still figuring out the framework!
The MM I think I have, as I had described before.
I think it's a cyclic Bet Selection, but not sure if U are measuring the Bet Selection against some form of Lw registry, or more likely I think, it is how the results are trending during the session.
I will be back! lol
My charting endeavours!! lol
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Great chart Chris. Happy hunting :) One more clue, just forget slow down at 40 at the moment. Even if you don't get it, I will give it to anyone. Just focus on the last set of spin data that I provided(70 spins) and the spin data that I am going to post now (40 spins). That will avoid the confusion. Forget the 53 spin data from video, as there is a complex MM at the end which will confuse things.
Go crack the "race to 50" and race yourselves to a 50!
[reveal=40 spins, +50 units]
Spin Bet placed BR
11 0
1 2 1
8 2 2
11 2 6
6 2 7
31 2 5
23 4 1
22 6 -5
5 8 -13
13 10 7
18 2 8
15 2 12
21 2 16
34 2 14
23 4 16
2 2 17
33 2 15
35 4 17
31 2 18
35 2 19
12 2 17
35 4 25
23 2 26
19 2 27
25 2 28
32 2 29
31 2 30
2 2 28
4 4 30
34 2 31
13 2 32
19 2 36
3 2 34
13 4 42
10 2 43
32 2 41
4 4 49
23 2 47
16 4 49
19 2 53
[/reveal]
My update so far.
I can state, that the method is NOT DBL *(DecisionBeforeLast)
I have charted over half the spins, and the split analysis between the Dozen and the Column, and after carefully examining
can say, that the method DBL, only fits your play results 56% of the time.
(56% as a measure if the results for the two outcomes matching the DBL)
I can also state, that its much more likely to be a form of FTL* (FollowTheLast)
In charting this play method, the two outcomes, (both Dozen and Column matching, whether a Win/Win, Win/Lose, Lose/Win, or Lose/Lose), match 68% of the time, of my half sample, and if I classically double my analysis, and mark a results for each Half decision, that would rise to 78% correct.
But in reality, neither of these get me to get a 100% fit of method to match this play technique of Urs.
It must be a set process at work, in the same genre as the 1 2 3 Framework works for the EC/Dozen/Lines bet U have shown us.
In the 1 2 3 Framework, U take 3 steps per Bet Selection.......Starting at the EC base bet, where the coverage of the wheel/table = 50% (of a NoZero wheel)
Then, on a loss, U move the bet Forward, and target the LAST Dozen to hit, which now focuses in on 33.33% of the wheel/table
Then, after the Dozen has lost 3 times, U focus yet again on the narrower Bet Selection of 1 Line (1 Double Street), which, since it covers 6 numbers of a possible 36 outcomes, reduces the Bet Selection down into 16% coverage of the Felt.
Though U early said, that this Doz/Col Bet was NOT in the same "district" as the 1 2 3 Framework Bet Selection,
I think there is an element of it, inasmuch as the Dozen/Column Cross Fire Bet Selected must have a narrowing facet to it, within the method.
Why U move a Doz/Col bet, I'm not quite sure of..................yet!
Something to do with the trend of the past results I feel...................!
One thing I am thinking in TRUE, is that if U get TWO loses within the same Bet Selected Dozen, then U move the Dozen Bet.
Very interesting stuff Great G .......... :whistle:
I had a dream last night................
A Dozen beautiful ladies were standing against 12 Marble Columns, (one on each) and all I had to do was pick one!
Then I woke up in a Zero daze!!
Just a thought!....................maybe not a Static inner wheel, but a revolving one! lol
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Hi All,
I have the solution to grampa's 50 spins below:
Spin Bet placed
11 0 nb;nb bet d1; c2 (ftl)
1 2 1 w;l bet d1; c1 (w so ftl)
8 2 2 w;l bet d1; c2 (w so ftl)
11 2 6 w;w bet d1;c2 (w so ftl)
6 2 7 w;l bet d1;c3 (w so ftl)
31 2 5 l;l bet d1;c3 (l so dbl) @ 2u
23 4 1 l;l bet d3;c1 (l so dbl) @ 3u
22 6 -5 l;w bet d2;c1 (l so dbl) @ 4u *** maybe error in recording here, Gramps!***
5 8 -13 l;l bet d2,c1 (l so dbl) @ 5u
13 10 7 w;w bet d2;c1 (w so ftl) @ 1u
18 2 8 w;l bet d2;c3 (w so ftl)
15 2 12 w;w bet d2; c3 (w so ftl)
21 2 16 w;w bet d2;c3 (w so ftl)
34 2 14 l;w bet d3;c1 (w so ftl)
23 4 16 w;w bet d3;c1 (w so ftl)
2 2 17 l;w bet d1;c2 (w so ftl)
33 2 15 l;l bet d1;c2 (l so dbl) @ 2u
35 4 17 l;w bet d3;c2 (w so ftl) @ 1u
31 2 18 w;l bet d3;c1 (w so ftl)
35 2 19 w;l bet d3;c2 (w so ftl)
12 2 17 l;l bet d3;c2 (l so dbl) @ 2u
35 4 25 w;w bet d3;c2 (w so ftl) @ 1u
23 2 26 l;w bet d2;c2 (w so ftl)
19 2 27 w;l bet d2;c1 (w so ftl)
25 2 28 l;w bet d3;c1 (w so ftl)
32 2 29 w;l bet d3;c2 (w so ftl)
31 2 30 w;l bet d3;c1 (w so ftl)
2 2 28 l;l bet d3;c1 (l so dbl) @ 2u
4 4 30 l;w bet d1;c1 (w so ftl) @ 1u
34 2 31 l;w bet d3;c1 (w so ftl)
13 2 32 l;w bet d2;c1 (w so ftl)
19 2 36 w;w bet d2;c2 (w so ftl)
3 2 34 l;l bet d2;c1 (l so dbl) @ 2u
13 4 42 w;w bet d2;c1 (w so ftl) @ 1u
10 2 43 l;w bet d1;c1 (w so ftl)
32 2 41 l;l bet d1;c1 (l so dbl) @ 2u
4 4 49 w;w bet d1;c1 (w so ftl) @ 1u
23 2 47 l;l bet d1;c1 (l so dbl) @ 2u
16 4 49 l;w bet d2;c1 (w so ftl) @ 1u
19 2 53 w;w bet d2;c1 (w so ftl)
Thank you for an interesting puzzle. Can I claim part of the reward??? :) :)
A.
Well done Altantis! Hats off to U.
Been racking my brains on it.
So according to your reply, it's a combination of BOTH FTL & DBL...........wonder how that works as a Framework!
I did not see an error where U stated..........
it's a Double lose on Doz/Col
Spin # Doz/Col Result BR +/- BET WAS MY GUESS AT THE BET SELECTION
22.........D2,C1.....LOSE ON BOTH...............-5............-6..............3+3=6...............D1,C3 is my guess of what he bet
5.........D1,C2.....LOSE ON BOTH.............-13............-8..............4+4=8...............D2,C2
13.........D2,C1.....WIN ON BOTH................+7.........+30.............5+5=10.............D3,C3 RESET PROGRESSION
18.........D2,C3.....WIN ON ONE.................+8...........+1..............1+1=2...............D3,C3
It all looked good to me from a data point of view, tho he threw me in the other results, when he didn't progress even tho the result was not a New High, nor equivalent to former High.
Well done A.
:applause:
I could not get FTL, or BDL to fit exactly for a ONE-OFF fixed condition, but maybe that's where GreatGrampa meant:-
Quote from: GreatGrampa
The nature of this framework is very dynamic yet static becaus it's all decided at the start.
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Well done Atlantis / Chrisbis for solving the puzzle; I suppose the framework is Follow the Last (FTL) and Double the bets when
there is a loss. Am I correct....?
Not sure if that is it 'exactly'..............
I think its something to do with the number of loses in a row, because, as you may notice, he never goes above 6+6 progression.
That is only 6levels (5 losses max).........
So possible rule is "After two losses on same bet.....do this....."
&
"After two wins on same be......do this......."
....
There is a definitive movement calculation going on that seems to even beat a RNG casino.
(or at least Bet Voyage)
:smile:
.
I still think the puzzle is not solved .
Quote from: Chrisbis on May 29, 2013, 02:29:07 PM
I still think the puzzle is not solved .
You are absolutely right :) I don't think its solved yet.
But I admire the efforts put by you guys.
@Atlantis - Well done. However, there is no error in recording, as you have guessed. Also, I am ready to give the prize away if the method that you have described which worked for the 2nd set of spins, works also on the first set of spins. Can you apply and figure out whether it is working the same way. If the method works consistently on both set of spins, I give away the prize money eventhough it is not matching my framework, as there are always multiple solutions to the same problem :) Fair?
Now coming to another free clue, eventhough this is different from the 123 framework, there is an element in 123, that is being used here. It is pertaining to selection on DBL/FTL etc.
happy times!
Gramps!
Quote from: Chrisbis on May 29, 2013, 02:29:07 PM
I think its something to do with the number of loses in a row, because, as you may notice, he never goes above 6+6 progression.
That's because in the spin data that I have posted so far, it never crosses 6+6. I will give away that it is a 10 step progression :)
Also, as I mentioned, forget the slow down. I realized it will confuse things, that's why I posted two sets of spins with numbers. I guess enough clues to get you guys going :)
Agreed. I do not think I completely solved it! And does not work entirely well on the first set of numbers Grampa posted either...
Hmmm... so there is something else missing.
Will try again, Grampa.
A.
OK! Am glad there are people who are still trying. I am so sure that someone will crack it, I have already transferred Vic 50% of the pot I kept for him as the sponsorship to forum :cheer:
A little more help from me. I have decided to post details of some of the spins :) This will be the last set of clues from me after which the post will remain open until someone claims the prize :) I will post elements of this in my other posts in the forum in the future and will keep this puzzle open for someone to solve. In the first set, I have purposefully posted 50th spin instead of 51st spin, because between all the numbers exposed, I wanted to cover the whole bit. Happy cracking and am waiting for some one to come back with a solution.
1st set Spin Placed bets
1st spin 12 1u D1, 1u C2
11th spin 10 2u D2, 2u C3
21st spin 30 1u D1, 1u C2
31st spin 11 3u D2, 3u C3
41st spin 25 7u D3, 3u C3
50th spin 33 6u C3
61st spin 23 1u D1, 1u C2
Last spin 35 1u D2, 1u C2
2nd set Spin Placed bets
1st spin 1 1u D1, 1u C2
11th spin 15 1u D2, 1u C3
21st spin 35 2u D3, 2u C2
31st spin 19 1u D2, 1u C1
last spin 19 1u D2, 1u C1
:thumbsup:
working on the safe cracking................
"Charlie !!......pass me the dynamite "
Here is my best guess on the second set of numbers gramps posted and eliminates the anomaly in my previous attempt.
FTL on doz and col until complete loss (l;l) on FTL.
Then play previous winning combo for max three attempts - if no win then SWITCH to play the DBL col and doz combo.
If win - reset to FTL and appropriate progression level.
Spin Bet placed
11 0 nb;nb bet d1; c2 @1 ftl
1 2 1 w;l bet d1; c1 @1 ftl
8 2 2 w;l bet d1; c2 @1 ftl
11 2 6 w;w bet d1;c2 @1 ftl
6 2 7 w;l bet d1;c3 @1 ftl
31 2 5 l;l bet d1;c3 LOST both playing FTL so up to 2u and play last winner combo
23 4 1 l;l bet d1;c3 LOST so play last winner combo @3
22 6 -5 l;l bet d1;c3 LOST so play last winner combo @4
5 8 -13 l;l bet d2;c1 LOST 3 L'S IN ROW ON LAST WINNING COMBO SO NOW SWITCH TO DBL @ 5u
13 10 7 w;w bet d2;c1 @1 ftl
18 2 8 w;l bet d2;c3 @1 ftl
15 2 12 w;w bet d2;c3 @1 ftl
21 2 16 w;w bet d2;c3 @1 ftl
34 2 14 l;l bet d2;c3 LOST play last winner combo @2
23 4 16 w;l bet d2;c2 @1 ftl
2 2 17 l;w bet d1;c2 @1 ftl
33 2 15 l;l bet d1;c2 LOST so play last winner combo @2
35 4 17 l;w bet d3;c2 @1 ftl
31 2 18 w;l bet d3;c1 @1 ftl
35 2 19 w;l bet d3;c2 @1 ftl
12 2 17 l;l bet d3;c2 LOST so 2 play last winner combo @2
35 4 25 w;w bet d3;c2 @1 ftl
23 2 26 l;w bet d2;c2 @1 ftl
19 2 27 w;l bet d2;c1 @1 ftl
25 2 28 l;w bet d3;c1 @1 ftl
32 2 29 w;l bet d3;c2 @1 ftl
31 2 30 w;l bet d3;c1 @1 ftl
2 2 28 l;l bet d3;c1 LOST so play last winner combo @2
4 4 30 l;w bet d1;c1 @1 ftl
34 2 31 l;w bet d3;c1 @1 ftl
13 2 32 l;w bet d2;c1 @1 ftl
19 2 36 w;w bet d2;c2 @1 ftl
3 2 34 l;l bet d2;c1 LOST so play last winner combo @2
13 4 42 w;w bet d2;c1 @1 ftl
10 2 43 l;w bet d1;c1 @1 ftl
32 2 41 l;l bet d1;c1 LOST so play last winner combo @2
4 4 49 w;w bet d1;c1 @1 ftl
23 2 47 l;l bet d1;c1 LOST so play last winner combo @2
16 4 49 l;w bet d2;c1 @1 ftl
19 2 53 w;w bet d2;c1 @1 ftl
Atlantis.
Looks good.
I had something like it, tho I had separated the Dozen and Column out into individual Lw registry......
So on a L:L, L:L, L:L, I was looking back for the last winning combo for each BS....which, if it was a W:W is the same bet!
Well done. :applause:
The only other thing I dreamt up this morning, was to add another Rule/Bet to the two we already have......
We have FTL (FollowTheLast)
........and DBL (DecisionBeforeLast)
and then I thought of another BetSelection.........Opposite/Swap
Which would be to Swap the bet, only if it was either of these:-
D1,C2....BECOMES....D2,C1
D1,C3....BECOMES....D3,C1
D2,C1....BECOMES....D1,C2
D2,C3....BECOMES....D3,C2
D3,C1....BECOMES....D1,C3
D3,C2....BECOMES....D2,C3
Quote from: Atlantis on May 30, 2013, 11:20:12 AM
winning combo for max three attempts .
You got this bit right. But however, does it work for the first set?
It doesn't because there IS NOT a previous* Double winning combo........
*in the results/spins so far.
Edit
So, is it (first set of spins)
FTL.......W-L
FTL.......L-L Double Loss, so go to DBL
DBL......W-L
DBL......W-L
DBL......L-L 2nd Double Lose, so go to FTL
FLT.......L-L 3rd Double Lose, Swap the FTL
FTLs.....L-L 4th Double Lose, Swap the DBL
DBLs....
Quote from: Chrisbis on May 30, 2013, 12:12:00 PM
It doesn't because there IS NOT a previous* Double winning combo........
Right :) So the quest is still on ! See the 41st and 50th spins that I posted from the 1st set of spins. It provides a very important clue.
Are you doing a Loss/Win registry for each Dozen . Column to the degree that you end up making your own Doz/Col up to suit the results....and hence end up with that 6units on Column only bet?
Hi Chrisbis / Grampa
I have been following the post with a lot of interest. I have no problem with Follow the Last (FTL);
However, as I'm in a leraning curve, would u please tell me about how Decison Before Last (DBL)
works, and give a couple of illustrative; I have searched the forum but cannot seem to find any thing about
it.
Thank u for your assistance.
Cheers
Rouletta
Hi Rouletta,
Example of DBL:
Next to Last spin is #35
Last spin is #6
Decision Before Last (DBL) is therefore #35 (number previous to last current result) which equates to DOZEN 3 and COLUMN 2 (or "B") in the context of this system.
A.
Would you settle for a TwoCat answer?
R...B..."B" is sometimes called "the number that came" or "the spun number". "R" is the penultimate number or the "DBL"..decision before the last decision. Depending on what you are looking at, it can be ECs, straight up, dozens, columns or whatever.
If you were betting ECs for DBL, you would bet R.
TwoCat
I hope Atlantis/TCS/Others, will agree, DBL should really be labelled..............
OBL (OutcomeBeforeLast) or even
RBL (ResultBeforeLast) to be an accurately reflective abbreviation.
My preference would be RBL since its the Results we are basing our next Decision on!
(So U can see, why those new to the game can get easily confused, with results, and decisions)
I think from now on, those two abbrev's, should be referred to as FTL, which says it all,
(& would be like saying "Follow that Result")
and RBL, which infers, U want to bet on the same Result that came out before the last result.
Thanks guys for these explanations; Now I know what we talking about.
R
I'm now thinking, there are a few of these at play here..............
DB2L (DecisionBefore2ndLast)
or as my new abbrev would make it..
RB2L (ResultBefore2ndLast)
Then things make sense!
And then there's DBLT
Decision before last Tuesday.......
:))
@Sam
Lol..................... :applause:
:-*
My best guess of a Doz/Col Framework.
Begin................. after first free/low chip spin.
FTL.............for three spins.(FTL= FollowTheLast)
If Not ahead after three spins, then take next bet as DBL.(DecisionBeforeLast)
If ahead at any time using DBL, then reset to FTL
If not ahead using DBL, continue until 3 spins with DBL
If not ahead after 3 spins FTL, and then 3 spins DBL, then Find best winning Outcome, and bet it.
If no winning combo available, then find best winning Dozen Outcome, and bet it
If No best winning Dozen outcome, then find best Winning Column Outcome, and bet it.
Reset to FTL as soon as ahead.
Progress is +1 on a loss, and progress each Dozen and Column separately.
Starting bet is 1+1 =2
That's as far as I have got.
Hi Chrisbis,
Applause for your latest shot at the puzzle. Very interesting.
Maybe Grampa can reveal to us the correct procedure now?
A.