Quote from: Gizmotron on August 08, 2016, 08:27:44 AM
So you accept a perfect sequence if it defeats a progression but you fail to accept a perfect sequence if it comes in the form of a perfect repeating trend. [/font]

Not quite. I accept that "perfect" sequences exist which will make large profits if using a progression, just as there are sequences which bust other (negative) progressions. You can't have one without the other in a random game. What I dispute is that there is any way of telling whether any upcoming sequence is more likely than another. And you HAVE to know this in order to make a long-term profit. There's no way around it. And the reason you can't tell what sequence is coming up is that spins are independent. Sorry to keep repeating myself but I do it because it's repeatedly ignored (the "inconvenient truth").

If you can't increase the accuracy of your predictions you're left with nothing but perfect balance with respect to winning and losing sequences. At best  you break even, throw in the house edge and you lose.

It's really very simple to understand, no math pipe needed, just simple logic.

Quote from: Mike on August 08, 2016, 11:35:31 AM
If you can't increase the accuracy of your predictions...

But Gizmo says that he will show us how to do it.
If you'll just let him....

Quote from: from100 on August 08, 2016, 09:38:33 AM
Are X's written in Matrix way, or in columns?

Columns running down. At a casino I use index cards with the same columns. It only takes a few seconds to add the X's and to add what the actual number hit was.

There are 4 sets. The first two sets from the left have 12 numbers in each position. Set one is the dozens, 1 to 12, 13 to 24, and 25 to 36. Set two is the columns. Set three and four have 12, 12, and 14 respectively where the zero and double zero are also included.

Quote from: Mike on August 08, 2016, 11:35:31 AM
... What I dispute is that there is any way of telling whether any upcoming sequence is more likely than another. And you HAVE to know this in order to make a long-term profit. There's no way around it. And the reason you can't tell what sequence is coming up is that spins are independent. Sorry to keep repeating myself but I do it because it's repeatedly ignored (the "inconvenient truth").

I don't have to know what's coming up. I just have to stay close to even while waiting for the randomness to act like it is running some kind of trend characteristic. We both agree that it is not actually lining up because of any knowable cause. So in that regard you have always been right. But, as my chart example clearly shows, a very common example of the global effect is in full view. I know how to far surpass staying close to even while waiting for this kind of an opportunity. The human brain can recognize patterns very easily. I would know that a possible pattern of continuing sleepers was possibly forming. I would have seen the global, over all trend characteristic, effect by half way through the third occurrence of the continuing effect. That would mean that I could have easily exploited my seven step progression. In fact I would reach the table maximum for each straight up bet and stayed there until the global effect subsided. This is what I do. I attack the continuing pattern, being it sleepers or singles or actual pattern formations like hit hit not-hit. You can see pattern shapes in my charts if you try to see them. They continue also.

Your problem is that you think I can't predict when they will occur with enough degree of accuracy to make up for any losses. When you wrap your head around winning first and second bets, that waging a war against the casino based on just staying close to even is the primary strategy, then you will perhaps come to realize that the streaks of singles and sleepers are just icing on the cake for the taking. I'm not taken out by equivalent down trends. I avoid them. Perhaps you might recall your recognition of the three states?

Here is the seven step progression: You have a 61% or 64% chance to win the first bet. (37 or 38 numbers)


28  28  on a win the next bet is a free shot  28 / 2 = (14 & 14)

14  14  take off 6 on a win, taken so far = 6

18  18  take off 6 on a win, taken so far = 12

24  24  take off 8 on a win, taken so far = 20

32  32  take off 16 on a win, taken so far = 36

40  40  take off 40 on a win, taken so far = 76

40  40  take off 120 on a win and keep it all. Taken at the end = 196


As you can see, you collect winnings as you go. If you are in a detected trend that appears to be continuing and the effectiveness state is also favorable, and even add to that that the global effect is also working favorably, then that would be the best time to try a seven step graduated progression. You don't have to use these numbers in your progression. It's just an example of a positive progression that pays you something you can keep, as you proceed. You don't need to be locked into seven steps either. I've seen global effects that show a clear possibility if you only use three steps at a time. This all comes down to trend recognition and playing experience. That's why I created my training software.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 10, 2012, 04:08:49 AM
Roulette Marquee 3.2 now released.

This upgrade allows you to place bets. It tracks each bet and keeps a running total.

Press spin to start. I always run out 12 spins before I ever place bets.

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on August 08, 2016, 02:24:25 PM
Dear Gizmotron,
With respect.

May you please teach,
What the "THREE STATE",
that must occur?

Thanks in advance.

The three states of effectiveness are:


1.) Works great. You win on every spin or almost every spin.


2.) Works badly. You lose on every spin or almost every spin.


3.) Works in-between. You win as much as you lose. It just grinds away getting nowhere.


Whatever you do you get something that leans toward one of these three states at a stretch. It can jump quickly from state to state too. You can have the very best bet selection process and it will produce these three effectiveness states no matter what you do. Perhaps that is not true for VB but Homey don't play that.

Quote from: Gizmotron on August 08, 2016, 02:36:16 PM

The three states of effectiveness are:


1.) Works great. You win on every spin or almost every spin.


2.) Works ybadly. You lose on every spin or almost every spin.


3.) Works in-between. You win as much as you lose. It just grinds away getting nowhere.


Whatever you do you get something that leans toward one of these three states at a stretch. Itbut Homey don't play that.

Lol.  Love the reference.

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on August 08, 2016, 03:09:46 PM
Dear Gizmotron,
I try very hard, but can't see what you mean,
Please teach and tell , what the global effect.
Thanks in advance.

Here is the third set isolated:


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Now see if you can see the sleepers where I over wrote the chart by adding "s" that stands for sleeper, so that you can look in the right places to see the trends continuing. The global effect is sleepers continuing even when they change to different locations in the set.


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Hope that helps.

Hi Gizmotron,

I solved your code.
Would you like me to post it?

Kimo Li

Quote from: Kimo Li on August 08, 2016, 04:35:32 PM
Hi Gizmotron,

I solved your code.
Would you like me to post it?

Kimo Li

Sure, go ahead please.

I won't post the code, out of respect.
I will post the spins and your special groupings.

29
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01   02   03      01   02   03
                  
01   03   05      01   03   09
02   04   06      02   04   10
09   07   17      05   07   13
10   08   18      06   08   14
13   11   19      17   11   19
14   12   20      18   12   20
25   15   21      21   15   25
26   16   22      22   16   26
27   23   31      27   23   33
28   24   32      28   24   34
35   29   33      31   29   35
36   30   34      32   30   36

Kimo Li

That's brilliant. You must be chronically bored.


| 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P  S  N | -- chart designations
|       X |    X    |    X    |    X    | -- 9
| X       |       X |       X | X       | -- 6
|       X |       X | X       | X       | -- 7
| X       | X       | X       | X       | -- 1

   put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12," into d1 --  goes with 1
   put "13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24," into d2 --  goes with 2
   put "25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36," into d3 --  goes with 3
   put "1,4,7,10,13,16,19,22,25,28,31,34," into c1 --  goes with A
   put "2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35," into c2 --  goes with B
   put "3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36," into c3 --  goes with C
   put "38,37,1,2,9,10,13,14,25,26,27,28,35,36," into p1 --  goes with 0
   put "3,4,7,8,11,12,15,16,23,24,29,30," into p2 --  goes with 3
   put "5,6,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34," into p3 --  goes with 6
   put "1,2,5,6,17,18,27,28,31,32,37,38," into primes --  goes with P
   put "3,4,7,8,11,12,15,16,23,24,29,30," into spokes --  goes with S
   put "9,10,13,14,19,20,21,22,25,26,33,34,35,36," into nots --  goes with N

Now you can see how close you got.

So let's look at a new chart from my practice software Vs 3.2




| A B C | 1 2 3 |  | B  R | L  H | O  E | -- ## -- Line
|   X   |     X |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 18 --  1
| X     |     X |  | X    | X    |    X | --  6 --  2
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 12 --  3
|     X | X     |  |    X |    X | X    | -- 25 --  4
| X     | X     |  |    X | X    | X    | --  7 --  5
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 30 --  6
|   X   |   X   |  |    X |    X | X    | -- 23 --  7
|   X   |     X |  |    X |    X | X    | -- 21 --  8
| X     |     X |  | X    | X    |    X | --  6 --  9
|   X   |     X |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 15 -- 10
|     X | X     |  | X    |    X | X    | -- 31 -- 11
|     X | X     |  | X    |    X |    X | -- 28 -- 12
|     X | X     |  | X    |    X |    X | -- 28 -- 13
|   X   |   X   |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 14 -- 14
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 36 -- 15
|   X   |   X   |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 14 -- 16
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 36 -- 17
|     X |   X   |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 32 -- 18
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 30 -- 19
| X     |     X |  | X    | X    |    X | --  6 -- 20
|   X   | X     |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 13 -- 21
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    | X    | --  9 -- 22
|     X |   X   |  | X    |    X | X    | -- 35 -- 23
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    | X    | --  3 -- 24
|---------------------------------------|  - 00 -- 25
|   X   | X     |  |    X | X    |    X | -- 16 -- 26
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 30 -- 27
|   X   | X     |  | X    |    X |    X | -- 22 -- 28
|     X |   X   |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 32 -- 29
|---------------------------------------|  - 00 -- 30
|---------------------------------------|  -  0 -- 31
|     X |   X   |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 32 -- 32
|---------------------------------------|  - 00 -- 33
|   X   |   X   |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 17 -- 34
| X     | X     |  | X    | X    |    X | -- 10 -- 35
|   X   |   X   |  |    X |    X | X    | -- 23 -- 36
|     X |     X |  |    X |    X |    X | -- 36 -- 37
| X     |   X   |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 11 -- 38
|   X   |   X   |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 17 -- 39
|   X   | X     |  |    X |    X | X    | -- 19 -- 40
|     X | X     |  | X    |    X | X    | -- 31 -- 41
| X     |     X |  |    X | X    | X    | --  3 -- 42
|   X   | X     |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 13 -- 43
|     X |     X |  | X    |    X | X    | -- 33 -- 44
|   X   |   X   |  | X    | X    | X    | -- 17 -- 45
| X     | X     |  |    X | X    | X    | --  7 -- 46
| X     |   X   |  |    X | X    | X    | --  5 -- 47
| X     | X     |  | X    | X    |    X | -- 10 -- 48
| X     |   X   |  | X    | X    |    X | --  2 -- 49
|     X |     X |  | X    |    X | X    | -- 33 -- 50


18,6,12,25,7,30,23,21,6,15,31,28,28,14,36,14,36,32,30,6,13,9,35,3,00,16,30,22,32,00,0,32,00,17,10,23,36,11,17,19,31,3,13,33,17,7,5,10,2,33,


This list of spins can be added to my software and loaded in so that you can see it in the chart. A comma delimited list of spins can be shared in order to show examples of randomness characteristics.

In the above chart you can see a swarm of the zeros. Some times the zeros are very active and other times they seem to sleep for a long time.

QuoteIn the above chart you can see a swarm of the zeros. Some times the zeros are very active and other times they seem to sleep for a long time.

That's what threw me off, 37 and 38. I factored in 21 and 22.
By the way, I use 37 and 38 to represent zeros in my analysis.

Great puzzle!