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Practice Sessions
« on: February 07, 2018, 08:34:22 PM »
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  • Todays practice sessions:

    These are provided mainly for my students that wanted examples of my playing method. This is straight from my practice software with AI turned off.

    As I have pointed out to my students, the key to overcoming the greed that puts a monkey on your back in the first place is in putting a halt to greed in the first place. I'm staying very close to the statistical math for swings. My 2 to 1 bets need two wins to pay back each loss. So two wins is even math. I opted to go for three net wins per session. In all my years gambling I have only not been ahead by three net wins only three or four times in a session's play. All the other times I have reached three net wins at some point. My problem is that I have always wanted more. That's what got me into trouble. All I'm doing now is getting ready for when I can use large valued chips to place bets where three net wins is enough to make it worth it.

    My point of not giving anymore advice is in that once I prove this in real play, I will have proved that I have overcome the last obstacle, and that I could then feel qualified to give good advice. Until then you can see where I'm going with this and use it for yourself at your own risk.

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    Feb 7, 2018

    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    |       X |       X | X       |   | -- 36
    |       X |       X | X       | P | -- 27
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    | X       |    X    |    X    |   | -- 8
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   | -- 14
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 15
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   | -- 14
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 12
    -- ( B to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 120 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- 180

    -- ww

    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    |    X    |       X |       X | P | -- 18
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   | -- 14
    | X       | X       |    X    | P | -- 4
    | X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 12
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   | -- 29
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    |       X |    X    |       X | P | -- 32
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33
    -- ( A & B to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Lost  -- -120 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 3 -- Lost  -- -230 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- -170 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- -110 -- ( 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 10 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Lost  -- -110 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   |  # 20 -- Won -- -50 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Won -- 50 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- 110 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Won -- 170

    -- LLwwwLwwww

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    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    |    X    |       X |       X | P | -- 18
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   | -- 23
    |       X | X       | X       | P | -- 28
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   | -- 23
    |       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 30
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 24
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    | X       | X       | X       |   | -- 10
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 24
    -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       |   |  # 25 -- Won -- 70 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |-------------------| X       | P |  # 38 -- Lost  -- -40 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Won -- 60 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 24 -- Won -- 120 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Lost  -- 0 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |-------------------| X       | P |  # 38 -- Lost  -- -120 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |       X |       X |   |  # 33 -- Won -- -60 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Won -- 0 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       |    X    |   |  # 16 -- Won -- 60 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       |   |  # 25 -- Lost  -- -60 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- 0 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 60 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    | X       | P |  # 2 -- Lost  -- -60 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       | X       | P |  # 1 -- Lost  -- -170 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Won -- -100 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |    X    |   |  # 8 -- Won -- -30 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Lost  -- -140 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 26 -- Won -- -80 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 12 -- Won -- -20 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |-------------------| X       | P |  # 38 -- Lost  -- -140 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- -40 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       |    X    | P |  # 4 -- Won -- 60 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       |   |  # 25 -- Lost  -- -20 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       |       X |   |  # 34 -- Won -- 40 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Won -- 100 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- 160 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       | X       | P |  # 1 -- Won -- 220

    -- wLwwLLwwwLwwLLwwLwwLwwLwwww

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    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 15
    |    X    |       X |       X | P | -- 18
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   | -- 23
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 19
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 26
    |       X |       X | X       |   | -- 36
    |       X |       X | X       | P | -- 27
    |       X | X       | X       |   | -- 25
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   | -- 29
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   | -- 29
    -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 12 -- Lost  -- -120 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |       X |       X |   |  # 21 -- Won -- -50 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Lost  -- -160 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       |       X |   |  # 34 -- Won -- -90 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |-------------------| X       | P |  # 37 -- Lost  -- -200 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- -130 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 15 -- Won -- -60 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- 0 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Lost  -- -120 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 3 -- Lost  -- -240 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X | X       |   |  # 9 -- Won -- -170 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 22 -- Won -- -100 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       |   |  # 25 -- Won -- -40 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       |   |  # 25 -- Won -- 20 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 3 -- Lost  -- -100 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- -40 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       |    X    | P |  # 4 -- Won -- 20 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 26 -- Won -- 80 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Won -- 140 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- 200

    -- LwLwLwwwLLwwwwLwwwww

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    Re: Practice Sessions
    « Reply #1 on: March 06, 2018, 05:35:26 PM »
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  • I've decided to test to see if I can win 7 net wins per session. This will be far more interesting to see if I can win every time.


    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    |       X | X       |       X | P | -- 31
    | X       | X       |    X    | P | -- 4
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 19
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 19
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   | -- 14
    |       X | X       | X       | P | -- 28
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 15
    | X       |       X |       X | P | -- 6
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33
     -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 42 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    | X       |       X | X       |   |  # 9 -- Won -- 78 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 24 -- Won -- 114 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |       X |   |  # 21 -- Won -- 156 -- ( 0's & 3's to win next) @ 3
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P |  # 11 -- Won -- 186 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 22 -- Won -- 222

    My goal is to use an 8 net lost bets for a bankroll. So that would be 576 units if all 8 were lost.
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    Re: Practice Sessions
    « Reply #2 on: March 07, 2018, 02:24:08 PM »
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  • Seven net wins is out. It causes anxiety or at least desperation. 2 net wins is balanced with the math. In a game where you have an almost two thirds chance of winning each spin, you stop when you are on the upside of balance.  I've been 100% successful going after just 3 net wins. But I have to admit that 2 net wins occurs many times and then backs off before getting that third net win. It's there because the "swing trading" concept is there within an easy deviation of expectation. It all happens inside the range of a single candle stick of the candle stick chart, a day trading tool.
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    Re: Practice Sessions
    « Reply #3 on: March 07, 2018, 02:30:57 PM »
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  • But, how often does a man, stop doing something that feels good, great or fun??

    Eating something delicious, like my home made Italian sauce over pork-beef and veal braciole (triple delight!) and pasta???

    Like having sex, (if) they are allowed to continue, etc.

    Like drinking free liquor for those that drink.

    Like winning money??

    Etc.?

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    Re: Practice Sessions
    « Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 02:49:48 PM »
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  • Well, there's the test. I know for a fact that I have made it very hard for myself as a gambler just because I wanted more.


    I could be a millionaire if I wanted to be just by using self control. Anyone can devise a system if they knew they would win three net bets every time they went to gamble. Even two net wins is enough.


    The government, here in the USA, defines a millionaire as anyone that earns a quarter of a million dollars for four consecutive years in a row. Now that may have changed over the decades. If you gamble 250 days of the year and just take $1,000 off the casino each day you are there. So, "inch by inch, anything is a cinch."
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    « Reply #5 on: March 29, 2018, 02:50:03 PM »
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  • Rust never sleeps. Glen and others have suggested to me over the past 6 months that my "three and out" method was not really realistic. Perhaps it is unrealistic.

    "I gave up on hot numbers years ago for a reason. I wanted faster action. But I also wanted the massive kill off the casino with a super win streak and was willing to descend deep in order to reach that killer sequence. That has been my Achilles Heel for the past decade. But I recognize that as a strategic flaw. What cured me was to practice just winning three net wins and out. Now, I really do know how to kill off the casino in a huge and obvious win streak. So today I'm going to play at least one long session of practice just to prove that I can stay out of the deep holes while grinding away at steady upward advances. It's like fighting for each net win, as long as the deep holes are avoided.

    Ken's (mrJ) method teaches how to get off the cold numbers and come back to them if they heat back up. So that is how I'm going to do it with my 24 numbers. I sometimes reverse the bets and bet the 12 instead. And sometimes I bet 16, 22, or 26 numbers. It's just the way that I trained myself over the past decade. That's what I'm good at. But this thread taught me to get off the cold spots faster. It was and is not a waste of time for me. Here is today's practice session:"

    As you can see below, I keep going as long as a huge downturn does not appear.

    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    |    X    | X       | X       |   | -- 13
    |-------------------| X       | P | -- 37
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P | -- 17
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- 36 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |       X |   |  # 21 -- Won -- 78 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 26 -- Won -- 114 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Won -- 150 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 192 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    | X       | X       | X       | P |  # 1 -- Lost  -- 120 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- 156 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 3
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Won -- 192 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Lost  -- 144 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 204 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- 246 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Lost  -- 174 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 4
    | X       | X       | X       |   |  # 10 -- Won -- 230 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |       X | X       |   |  # 9 -- Won -- 278 -- ( 0's & 3's to win next)
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Won -- 318 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   |  # 20 -- Lost  -- 222 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 24 -- Lost  -- 126 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Won -- 174 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 19 -- Won -- 222 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Lost  -- 126 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |    X    | X       | P |  # 2 -- Won -- 174 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 26 -- Won -- 222 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Lost  -- 126 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 4
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   |  # 20 -- Won -- 174 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |       X | X       |   |  # 9 -- Won -- 230 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Won -- 278 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 22 -- Won -- 326 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- 386 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- 446 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 5
    |       X |       X | X       |   |  # 36 -- Lost  -- 326 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P |  # 11 -- Won -- 386 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 446 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Won -- 516 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |       X | X       |   |  # 36 -- Won -- 576
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  • Rust never sleeps. Glen and others have suggested to me over the past 6 months that my "three and out" method was not really realistic. Perhaps it is unrealistic.

    "I gave up on hot numbers years ago for a reason. I wanted faster action. But I also wanted the massive kill off the casino with a super win streak and was willing to descend deep in order to reach that killer sequence. That has been my Achilles Heel for the past decade. But I recognize that as a strategic flaw. What cured me was to practice just winning three net wins and out. Now, I really do know how to kill off the casino in a huge and obvious win streak. So today I'm going to play at least one long session of practice just to prove that I can stay out of the deep holes while grinding away at steady upward advances. It's like fighting for each net win, as long as the deep holes are avoided.

    Ken's (mrJ) method teaches how to get off the cold numbers and come back to them if they heat back up. So that is how I'm going to do it with my 24 numbers. I sometimes reverse the bets and bet the 12 instead. And sometimes I bet 16, 22, or 26 numbers. It's just the way that I trained myself over the past decade. That's what I'm good at. But this thread taught me to get off the cold spots faster. It was and is not a waste of time for me. Here is today's practice session:"

    As you can see below, I keep going as long as a huge downturn does not appear.

    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    |    X    | X       | X       |   | -- 13
    |-------------------| X       | P | -- 37
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P | -- 17
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- 36 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |       X |   |  # 21 -- Won -- 78 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 26 -- Won -- 114 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Won -- 150 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 192 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    | X       | X       | X       | P |  # 1 -- Lost  -- 120 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- 156 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 3
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Won -- 192 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Lost  -- 144 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 3
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 204 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- 246 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Lost  -- 174 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 4
    | X       | X       | X       |   |  # 10 -- Won -- 230 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |       X | X       |   |  # 9 -- Won -- 278 -- ( 0's & 3's to win next)
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Won -- 318 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   |  # 20 -- Lost  -- 222 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 24 -- Lost  -- 126 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Won -- 174 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 19 -- Won -- 222 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Lost  -- 126 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |    X    | X       | P |  # 2 -- Won -- 174 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 26 -- Won -- 222 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Lost  -- 126 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 4
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   |  # 20 -- Won -- 174 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 4
    | X       |       X | X       |   |  # 9 -- Won -- 230 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 4
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Won -- 278 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 4
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 22 -- Won -- 326 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- 386 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- 446 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 5
    |       X |       X | X       |   |  # 36 -- Lost  -- 326 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P |  # 11 -- Won -- 386 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |       X | P |  # 32 -- Won -- 446 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Won -- 516 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |       X | X       |   |  # 36 -- Won -- 576

    It is fascinating how you chart the result of the spins. Where do I find how you bet it? Thanks!

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    « Reply #7 on: March 29, 2018, 05:08:18 PM »
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  • Ted, each next-bet is posted after the previous results are posted on the same line, at which point the software waits for you to select the next numbers to win. I built the software for my students that allows all of those students to just press a single button from 11, and the next (24*) numbers to win are selected. The user then presses the "Spin" button and the next results are charted and their "won" or "lost" status and the current running total are also displayed. This way the user can just focus quickly on guessing. My method is just guessing. There's no secret formula or system.


    I'm good at guessing because I created structure in the form of the illusion of randomness characteristics. I gave them names too. Some people will argue that they are real characteristics and others will argue that they can't exist. They are nothing but mindfully associated formations that are used to identify sequences of continuous spin conditions. But it's still just guessing. The good news for you is that these visual formations in my charts are also attached to reality if you use them during a gambling session. They become reality in their display of effectiveness during a gambling session. What happens in a gambling session is either good for you, flat, or bad for you. So what you practice for is in seeing the different phases, in real time, and taking action to improve your over all session results.


    * there is a button to invert the bet so that the meaning of the button selection has the opting to go from what is going to lose (14) numbers to what will win (12) numbers. So the software can bet on 12, 14, 16, 24, or 26 numbers to win, all with a convenient button push.


    It's all here at this forum. You can learn about the characteristics, the global effect, the effectiveness states, and the Elegant Patterns. I have shared it all. The software is too big to load here and to share it. I could share the source code in its native language and you could get the free Open Source development tool that supports it. But you would have to learn how to launch and run the development software to do that. The stand alone version is 8.5 megabytes. The source code version is 76 kb. The source code version will load into the free open source version of LiveCode. I don't want to teach how this is done. There are tutorials about using the development platform online. Perhaps there is a way to make a skinny version. I didn't bother to look that up.


    Anyway, you can't use a computer in a casino. So I do it all on index cards. The chart, without the win/loss results, like the first non bet ten spins, are what you enter on index cards. You would need to get good at that anyway.


    Hope that helps.
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  • Ted, each next-bet is posted after the previous results are posted on the same line, at which point the software waits for you to select the next numbers to win. I built the software for my students that allows all of those students to just press a single button from 11, and the next (24*) numbers to win are selected. The user then presses the "Spin" button and the next results are charted and their "won" or "lost" status and the current running total are also displayed. This way the user can just focus quickly on guessing. My method is just guessing. There's no secret formula or system.


    I'm good at guessing because I created structure in the form of the illusion of randomness characteristics. I gave them names too. Some people will argue that they are real characteristics and others will argue that they can't exist. They are nothing but mindfully associated formations that are used to identify sequences of continuous spin conditions. But it's still just guessing. The good news for you is that these visual formations in my charts are also attached to reality if you use them during a gambling session. They become reality in their display of effectiveness during a gambling session. What happens in a gambling session is either good for you, flat, or bad for you. So what you practice for is in seeing the different phases, in real time, and taking action to improve your over all session results.


    * there is a button to invert the bet so that the meaning of the button selection has the opting to go from what is going to lose (14) numbers to what will win (12) numbers. So the software can bet on 12, 14, 16, 24, or 26 numbers to win, all with a convenient button push.


    It's all here at this forum. You can learn about the characteristics, the global effect, the effectiveness states, and the Elegant Patterns. I have shared it all. The software is too big to load here and to share it. I could share the source code in its native language and you could get the free Open Source development tool that supports it. But you would have to learn how to launch and run the development software to do that. The stand alone version is 8.5 megabytes. The source code version is 76 kb. The source code version will load into the free open source version of LiveCode. I don't want to teach how this is done. There are tutorials about using the development platform online. Perhaps there is a way to make a skinny version. I didn't bother to look that up.


    Anyway, you can't use a computer in a casino. So I do it all on index cards. The chart, without the win/loss results, like the first non bet ten spins, are what you enter on index cards. You would need to get good at that anyway.


    Hope that helps.

    Thank you, Gizmotron, for your explanation. You are right that at the B&M casino we can't use the electronic device, but index card can be used.  According to your chart, it seems that you don't start betting right away. Do you bet on column or dozen or both at the same time? I think I understand how you track the dozen and column but the 036 and P sections, I don't understand them yet. I did read about them and saw your explanation on the 036 and P though.

    So according to your chart, X |       X |       X |   | -- 33 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
          X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- 36 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3
    The first bet calls for (2&3 to win next) @3. Please be kind to explain the next bet.

    Thank you again for all your help.



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  • It's right there at the top of the chart.

    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    |    X    | X       | X       |   | -- 13
    |-------------------| X       | P | -- 37
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P | -- 17
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- 36 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3


    1 = 1 to 12 on the table layout
    2 = 13 to 24 ottl
    3 = 25 to 36 ottl

    A = 1 to 34 ottl, the column
    B = 2 to 35 ottl, the column
    C = 3 to 36 ottl, the column

    The rest of the stuff in the chart is my own personal pet groupings. They are all based on the wheel in sections like spokes.

    So in that first bet I put 12 units at 3 each on all 12 numbers of the second and third groups, 13 to 24, and 25 to 36. You can see on the next spin that 36 hit. So that is how it won. It paid off 36 units.

    Here are the missing groups:


    0 = "38,37,1,2,9,10,13,14,25,26,27,28,35,36,"
    3 = "3,4,7,8,11,12,15,16,23,24,29,30,"
    6 = "5,6,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34,"


    P = "1,2,3,4,5,6,11,12,17,18,27,28,31,32,37,38,"
    Not P = "7,8,9,10,13,14,15,16,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,29,30,33,34,35,36"
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  • It's right there at the top of the chart.

    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    | X       |    X    | X       | P | -- 2
    | X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
    |       X | X       |       X |   | -- 34
    | X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
    |    X    | X       | X       |   | -- 13
    |-------------------| X       | P | -- 37
    |    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P | -- 17
    |       X |       X |       X |   | -- 33 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 3
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- 36 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 3


    1 = 1 to 12 on the table layout
    2 = 13 to 24 ottl
    3 = 25 to 36 ottl

    A = 1 to 34 ottl, the column
    B = 2 to 35 ottl, the column
    C = 3 to 36 ottl, the column

    The rest of the stuff in the chart is my own personal pet groupings. They are all based on the wheel in sections like spokes.

    So in that first bet I put 12 units at 3 each on all 12 numbers of the second and third groups, 13 to 24, and 25 to 36. You can see on the next spin that 36 hit. So that is how it won. It paid off 36 units.

    Here are the missing groups:


    0 = "38,37,1,2,9,10,13,14,25,26,27,28,35,36,"
    3 = "3,4,7,8,11,12,15,16,23,24,29,30,"
    6 = "5,6,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34,"


    P = "1,2,3,4,5,6,11,12,17,18,27,28,31,32,37,38,"
    Not P = "7,8,9,10,13,14,15,16,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,29,30,33,34,35,36"


    Thank you very much again for your clear explanation. I truly appreciated it. May I please ask you one more question, and I understand if you don't want to answer it. When do you decide to bet the 1, 2, 3 , A, B, and C? I see sometimes you bet 2& 3 and sometimes you bet A& B instead?

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    « Reply #11 on: March 30, 2018, 03:06:28 AM »
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  • Look at the top 10 spins and a few more after that in the chart above, where the betting starts. Look what is happening to the 1,2,3's. I hunt singles and I hunt sleepers. They both are happening at once. Sleepers are blank spots in the charts as you look down a grouping's column in the chart. You can also see streaks of repeats in patches. You can't have a streak of singles if that section's column is peppered all over with repeats. Now look at the charts for patterns like wave impulses of harmonic repetition. You can murder the casino during a perfect repeating pattern that lasts a while.


    If you study Roulette this way you will see miracles form before your eyes. You will see a formation of some kind or type that will last for 30 spins in a row, perfectly executed. You will also see a repetition of a characteristic type that will occur all across the chart in different locations, not just in one grouping. If you see that you will be seeing the global effect. I've seen a global effect last for 4 1/2 hours once. It's free money if you are smart enough and trained well enough to grab it. Now in all that you must also have self control. You must have playing experience so that you don't dig deep holes. You must know what a bad effectiveness state can do to your session. It's a well thought out skill that can be acquired through hard work. It's like being good at being a musician. You need to learn how to read the music of Roulette. I've created the blank charts, the notes, the instruments, and the time signature and the key. It's time for others to come up with the hits.
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    « Reply #12 on: March 30, 2018, 01:15:48 PM »
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  • Happened last night, ' super classical' in Baccarat to the max.

    I did extremely well on the one side 'cut/chop' bets as well as 4 F-7's for table max each one, in one shoe. 

    However, to the point.  There was two mini repeat runs of 5 each in the beginning, then a few 1's and 2's with a player side making a 3.  Then more 1's and 2's.  Then the banker side got real strong with every prevailing banker  either adding a third card to make an 8 or a 9 or a natural.  That last event series is my key trigger that either side is ready to take off.  I have explained this before in better detail.

    But the player side came out with 3-naturals and everyone, including my two buddies says--"has to cut back to banker, let's go heavy".  They did and I waited it out and I would not have done it.  Then a 4th and a 5th player happens.  Then the whole table once again is hell bent and all excited to get the last 2 or 3 table max wagers each lost on the banker.  They all are screaming banker.  I seen it, I felt it and I DID NOT wager the players side.  Everything that always happened, happened.  Especially with bouncing back and forth, right at half way around hand 40 or so.  During the last 5 players it just got equal on the score.  But the player was producing heavy and strong prevailing score totals.  Then it ran to 13 players total.  Everyone floored of course.  Everyone except for a player wagering small amounts, lost their continuing wagers.

    But the streak came, does not matter really how or what triggers, they do come and people convince themselves continually in baccarat or roulette, the board is showing us 'XYZ' will happen because  it never made more then 2 in a row or 3 in a row or 'so and so' for the last 30 hands or 30 spins. 

    It will get you and eat you up.  Runs and streaks and a long continuing pattern or event happens and will produce what it will no matter what happened prior or you believe will or will not happen, simple.  Stop thinking they do not and will not.   
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  • Happened last night, ' super classical' in Baccarat to the max.

    I did extremely well on the one side 'cut/chop' bets as well as 4 F-7's for table max each one, in one shoe. 

    However, to the point.  There was two mini repeat runs of 5 each in the beginning, then a few 1's and 2's with a player side making a 3.  Then more 1's and 2's.  Then the banker side got real strong with every prevailing banker  either adding a third card to make an 8 or a 9 or a natural.  That last event series is my key trigger that either side is ready to take off.  I have explained this before in better detail.

    But the player side came out with 3-naturals and everyone, including my two buddies says--"has to cut back to banker, let's go heavy".  They did and I waited it out and I would not have done it.  Then a 4th and a 5th player happens.  Then the whole table once again is hell bent and all excited to get the last 2 or 3 table max wagers each lost on the banker.  They all are screaming banker.  I seen it, I felt it and I DID NOT wager the players side.  Everything that always happened, happened.  Especially with bouncing back and forth, right at half way around hand 40 or so.  During the last 5 players it just got equal on the score.  But the player was producing heavy and strong prevailing score totals.  Then it ran to 13 players total.  Everyone floored of course.  Everyone except for a player wagering small amounts, lost their continuing wagers.

    But the streak came, does not matter really how or what triggers, they do come and people convince themselves continually in baccarat or roulette, the board is showing us 'XYZ' will happen because  it never made more then 2 in a row or 3 in a row or 'so and so' for the last 30 hands or 30 spins. 

    It will get you and eat you up.  Runs and streaks and a long continuing pattern or event happens and will produce what it will no matter what happened prior or you believe will or will not happen, simple.  Stop thinking they do not and will not.

    My rule is never wager against the streak. No freaking way-- either I stay out or follow the streak.

    Mr. Gizmo has interesting chart and his way of tracking is unique. Although I don't understand his system 100%, but I will study it and try to learn it. Of course baccarat is my game but I want to pursue roulette especially Gizmo's.....

    Cheers!!

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  • My rule is never wager against the streak. No freaking way-- either I stay out or follow the streak.

    Mr. Gizmo has interesting chart and his way of tracking is unique. Although I don't understand his system 100%, but I will study it and try to learn it. Of course baccarat is my game but I want to pursue roulette especially Gizmo's.....

    Cheers!!

    You are 110% correct! 

    I sat it out last night, I wagered the 3rd player and felt the streak/run/new event/repeating, etc. coming up based upon several factors, the equaling out of the score, the 'strongness' of both sides, the bouncing back and forth prior, half way through the shoe, etc.  I would say there was a 75 to 90% chance of what dis happen, to happen. 

    If I was not with H-money and my buddy being there, I would have stacked it up on the Player and then just rode the streak and pull down the win each time without pressing.  If the whole table got together and was in full camaraderie---that was the time, happens frequently--just not many these days believe you can catch it or they just love to win 11 and lose 8 or 10 when their 1's,'s and 3's happen and then equally don't happen, etc.  That is what I refer to as 'overpowering' the shoe. 

    Like there was one of the guys playing every 2nd one.  There was a block of about 9-10 or 11 times it made 2's or better and he only wagered $500.00 each time for the 2nd repeat.  But when you add up how many, he lost just about everything he won.  It will grind you down.  Same as playing only 3 or 4 and 'cut', same thing.  Problem being--the people only focus on the section of the card/board when it made those doubles or the triple and then cut, etc.  They don't look at the other sections where it did not make 15 of the 2nd repeaters, just the section where it made 9 out of 12, LOL. 

    But yes--I sat it out.  It was not easy to--but I refuse 99.5% of the time to go back in a run/streak/event of any kind mid-way.

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