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If I use rule based positive progressions only I can get more wins than losses.

normally I would not play that way. But it's easy to see that some great opportunities popped up.

High dozen, seven in a row
middle dozen, six in a row
two triple repeats in the dozens

two quads in the columns
three triples in the columns
one six in a row in the lower column

ninteen triples in the EC's
seven quads in the the EC's
one five in the the EC's
two six in the the EC's
two seven in the the EC's
one eight in the the EC's
one ten in the the EC's

Positive progressions for the EC's & single dozens / columns will produce excelent results. There was an almost perfect swarm of triples in the odd / even EC's.

Triples in the EC's can be both your foe or your friend. If you use them as a bet trigger then they will kill all your successes. You never know when they will hit. On the other hand they can become the target of great attacks. Sometimes they swarm together in a dominance or pattern. It's times like that to kill instead of being killed.

The only proof that works or is worth anything is the proof that convinced you that something is true. I believe that takes the best method of all. Prove it to yourself.

If you just bet on red, and nothing else, then you will encounter at least one of the three states that can occur. The trick to being a consistent winner is in learning how to live with and survive these three states. So if you practice to see if you can expose and identify each state. You can learn to identify the quality of each state, as you encounter it.

So you use the charts and the check list to find the best looking bet selections. You use the flow of the session to identify the quality and duration of the three states as they change.

Technically speaking, if you want to be a maniac, you can program these steps into a computer program. It's just a nebulous task. It's also without reward too. You can't use it in a casino. It would not be another mindless system hammering away. It deliberately makes changes in strategy as each combination of bet selection and condition of state changes.

The human brain does a fantastic job of this. All it takes is discipline and an acquired set of skills.

I did all this without a mentor or a direction. So I have the greatest reward of all. I walked this path of discovery alone. I made all the mistakes, including magical beliefs and superstitious conclusions that eventually allowed me to weed out these mistakes in the end. There wasn't anyone to tell me about the relationship between bet selection and the three kinds of effectiveness. I've given away this knowledge in order to see what others would do with it. There's nothing easy about it. Consequently there will be few that master this and even less that will talk about it much. And that is likely to be expected. At least that is what I'm seeing. That's good too. It's still a well kept opportunity, while it lasts.

I did this in twenty minutes, $25, $50, and $100 bets.

Practice Log: Dec/7/2012
spin 13 to 21, $100
spin 13 to 29, $100
spin 13 to 49, $200
spin 13 to 14, $100
spin 13 to 20, $100
spin 13 to 16, $100
spin 13 to 15, $100
spin 13 to 19, $100

Hi Gizmotron  -- Thought provoking posts as usual. Can you elaborate on what the 3 states are and give some examples ?


Cheers.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 07, 2012, 08:27:06 PM
I did this in twenty minutes, $25, $50, and $100 bets.

Practice Log: Dec/7/2012
spin 13 to 21, $100  ----- Singles only to continue on column 1
spin 13 to 29, $100  ----- Dominance dozen 3 ?
spin 13 to 49, $200  ----- The only dominants I see at spin 13 are doz 3 and col 3, col 3 would have been a disaster , doz. 3 The only pattern trigger by spin 13 is singles to continue on col 1 but would have thought the 2 series repeats in the middle would have stopped you betting these.Interesting to find out.
spin 13 to 14, $100  ----- Single to continue on column1
spin 13 to 20, $100  ----- Not sure on this 1 and running out of analysis time lol.
spin 13 to 16, $100  ----- Run on Highs
spin 13 to 15, $100  ----- Run on Doz. 3
spin 13 to 19, $100  ----- Absence of Doz. 1

I'm taking a stab with my limited knowledge of what you bet on, would love your comments.


Cheers.

Quote from: klw on August 09, 2013, 09:08:53 AM
Hi Gizmotron  -- Thought provoking posts as usual. Can you elaborate on what the 3 states are and give some examples ?


Cheers.

Just read some of your past posts , I understand what you mean by the 3 states , good , moderate and poor conditions right ?


Cheers.

I look for any continuing trend. I also use the absence of a trend. That's information too. From that I make bet selection guesses. With those guesses comes the three states. Your true trend line comes from the actual bets placed. It is from that that you get win streaks.

Frank says "Trend bettors fail to understand that what they are betting on is hindsight, and has nothing to do with proper play in the future-----even if that future is the very next spin , roll or turn of the cards."

First off, once and for all, I know that guesses based on past events are just a made up excuse to make bet selections. All I'm  doing is checking for when those guesses are working consistently.

I could use the FRANK'S system to seek the same kind of results.

The weight of Frank's fat mother divided by the day of the week.
The color of Frank's mother's hair.
The number of lousy books written by Frank.
The number of sycophants with names that start with N.

You can use anything you want to check for effectiveness. That works despite Frank's opinion.

By all means, tell people you can trend the future. The present tense is the current bet, before the ball drops.
Go ahead and scam the suckers, followers.

Progressions ... right. To each his own.

Quote from: Archie on August 11, 2013, 10:38:11 PM
Trending ---> Variance play ---> Progression.


As far as the bet, a progression of to be followed through brings a series of seemingly present but then connected outcomes into the past.  It's like watching your overall "bet" in slow motion.  But how to bring those "outcomes" into a present overall selection process by which progression in a conceptually similar sense?


Further hint:  Things never even out per se.  Those go one way or other; and roughly half the time, both.  Moreover, when those do "even out", there's no excuse for not having won.  Win when win - Lose when lose + Win when "break even" > 0.

Dream on!

Quote from: Archie on August 13, 2013, 02:09:50 AM
Are you kidding?


Deep progressive betting is the purest form of gambling.  I think the word in Vegas is hellacious.  The money goes to the casino, then it comes back to you with friends.  And so on.  Only thing is, the casino doesn't come with a limit on how much you can win when things really hit.  Just know your breaking point, but still bring a lot of cash to the casino.  When you bust out, well, there's your long vacation to "soak up some sun".  No second guessing.  You'll get 'em next time!


Flat betting puts you right up against the commission, vigorish, twist, whatever you want to call it.  Sunday Grannies with tight grips on their little purses don't get any.  BJ players are only slightly better off.  Put in a good five years to learn how to consistently grind out peanuts, only to find yourself with nowhere left to play.  Cuba maybe, or over in Czech, but you can't even buy protection there, lol.


Casinos love the flat bettors, but hate the deep bettors.