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Title: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 03, 2014, 11:49:24 AM
 
EXTREME
This is my baby.

- - -

How to cover 24 unique outcomes with only 15 placed bets.

Lets take clustering patterns into lines of three.
Principal of 1/3.

This is 8 unique combinations/patterns.
I can cover all possibilities for each pattern.

1. BBB
2. BPB
3. BPP
4. BBP
5. PPP
6. PBP
7. PBB
8. PPB

This is banker and player patterns.

- - -

From scratch ...
Lets say you get a pattern with three outcomes.

BBB

This is three banker in a row.
Now i don't want more banker patterns to show.
This is because we are betting against all four banker patterns to show.
This is how the look like.

BBB
BPB
BBP
BPP

So when i have a banker pattern i will bet player next.

BBB
B

I lose my first bet and get one more banker.

Now i bet that next outcome will match my previous pattern, i aim for a repeat.
Then i need BB to hit to be towards BBB.

BBB
BP

I lose my bet.
I got a player, now i know that the banker pattern can not repeat with three banker, as i have banker and player as result.

We wait for next outcome to see what two patterns we will get.

BBB
BPB

Next i don't want any more banker patterns so i bet player.

BBB
BPB
B

I got a new banker pattern, now i will bet that one of the previous two patterns will repeat.
If i get BB i will play BBB and if i get BP i will play BPB.
That way i will catch a repeat.

BBB
BPB
BPP

We lose our bet and we got no repeat of the two previous patterns.

We got a new pattern to show and now we have three unique patterns that start with banker.
Next i don't want a new banker pattern to show so i bet player.

BBB
BPB
BPP
B

We lose the bet.
Now there is only one banker pattern left that could make that all four have a show each with no repeat.
The pattern looks like this.

BBP

Now we have following patterns.

BBB
BPB
BPP
B

Now we have two banker patterns that start with BP and they are BPB and BPP
So if we wait for next outcome to show and it is BP then we can not play for a repeat for BPB or BPP as they both already have a show.
So we have to bet before next decision show and play P as then we would catch one of does two patterns if they would repeat.
Same would be if you had two patterns who begin with BB.

BBB
BPB
BPP
BB

We lose our bet and no repeat of the two patterns i mention above BPB and BPP

Now we only have last bet for BBB to repeat.
If not then we have all four banker pattern to show once each.

BBB
BPB LL
BPP LL
BBP LLL

And we lost all bets.

Now we don't want all 4 player patterns to show once.
So out next bet will be banker.

BBB
BPB
BPP
BBP
P

We lose the bet.
Now everything repeats in the same way and you prevent all 8 possibility to show once with out any repeat.

BBB
BPB LL
BPP LL
BBP LLL
PPB L
PBP LL
PPP LL
PBB LLL           

- - -

This is about that a dice with 8 sides will repeat at least once and not show each side once with no repeat.
A dice with 6 sides has 98.2% to repeat at least once during 6 throws (one cycle) and 2.7% to show each side once with no repeat.With 8 sides you get higher probability favoring you, maybe 99% vs 1% ...
And the march or algorithm also capture zig zag ...

Now on topic.
You could see how you could betting against 4 formation to show once each with 4 bets, as i describe above.

BBB
BPB LL
BBP LL
BPP LLL

That is a total of seven bets.This could have been 4 player patterns, but with this example 4 banker patterns.
Now you don't want 4 unique patterns that begin with player, after having 4 unique banker patterns, so next you only bet once for banker to continue and avoid player patterns to show.


BBB
BPB LL
BBP LL
BPP LLL
PPP L

Now you have 4 unique banker patterns and will play that you won't get 4 unique player patterns.Just repeat the formula above.

BBB
BPB LL
BBP LL
BPP LLL
PPP L
PBP LL
PPB LL
PBB LLL
 
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 03, 2014, 11:56:41 AM
 
Just look at the LW-Registry.
I attach files from random org.

2 1 2
1 1 2 W
1 1 2 LW
2 1 1 W
2 2 1 LL
1 1 1 W
1 2 2 LL
2 2 2 W
1 2 1 W
1 2 2 LW
2 2 2 W
1 2 1 W
2 1 1 W
2 1 1 LW
1 1 2 W
1 1 1 LW
1 2 2 LL
1 1 1 LW
1 2 2 LL
1 1 2 LL
2 1 1 W
1 2 1 W
2 2 2 W
1 1 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 1 2 W
2 2 1 W
1 2 2 W
1 1 1 LL
2 2 2 W
2 2 1 LW
1 2 2 W
2 2 1 W
1 1 2 W
1 1 2 LW
2 2 2 W
1 2 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 2 2 W
1 2 1 LW
2 2 2 W
1 1 2 W
2 1 2 W
1 2 1 W
1 2 2 LW
2 2 2 W
2 2 2 LW
1 1 2 W
1 2 1 LL
2 2 2 W
1 1 2 W
1 2 2 LL
2 2 1 W
2 2 1 LW
2 2 2 LW
2 1 1 LL
2 1 2 LW
2 1 2 LW
2 1 1 LW
1 2 1 W
2 1 2 W
1 1 1 W
1 2 2 LL
1 2 2 LW
1 2 1 LW
2 1 2 W
1 2 1 W
2 1 1 W
1 2 2 W
1 2 2 LW
1 1 2 LL
2 2 1 W
1 1 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 1 1 W
1 1 2 LW
2 1 1 W
2 2 2 LL
2 2 1 LL
2 1 1 LLW
2 2 2 LL
2 2 1 LL
1 1 1 W
1 1 1 LW
1 1 2 LW
1 2 2 LL
2 1 1 W
2 2 2 LL
2 2 1 LL
1 2 1 W
2 1 2 W
2 1 2 LW
2 2 2 LL
1 2 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 2 1 W
2 2 2 W
2 1 2 LL
1 1 1 W
1 1 1 LW
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 03, 2014, 11:59:40 AM
Advance and deeper into equilibrium

As you can see we play against 4 banker patterns or 4 player patterns depending on what the first pattern is.
We bet against that all 8 will have a show each and its around 1% chance that will happen or 99% that we will catch at least one repeat.

But this method also use the law of series with a underlying march.
When we play for opposite to prevent all 4 to show with banker or player patterns.

PPP
PBP
PBB
PPB

And

BBB
BPB
BPP
BBP

Does two is also a 50/50 distribution.
And we have for example 1000 singles and 500 series of two and 250 series of three and 125 series of four.

So both repeats and the law of series contribute to the high strike ratio.

Follow the betting flow

2 1 2
1 1 1 W... i see banker pattern and play it will be player pattern and i won
1 1 2 LW... i have player pattern and play it will become banker patterns and lose, then i have 111 and will bet for a repeat 11 and won.
2 1 1 W... i have a player pattern and will play it will become a banker pattern and i win
2 2 2 LL... i have a banker patterns and will play for a player pattern, i lose and will bet for a repeat 21 and lose again.
2 1 2 LL... i have two banker patterns and will bet for a player pattern to show, i lose and play that one of the two previous banker pattern will have a repeat and i lose.
1 1 2 W... i have three banker patterns and will bet for a player pattern and i win.
1 2 1 LL
2 2 2 W
2 2 1 LW
1 2 2 W
1 2 1 LW
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: VLS on June 03, 2014, 12:28:35 PM
Quote from: Sputnik on June 03, 2014, 11:49:24 AM

EXTREME
This is my baby.

Thanks for sharing it with us  :nod: :thumbsup:

Good posts.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: RouletteFan on June 03, 2014, 01:00:30 PM
Thank you
Good post as usual
very interesting
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: foreverbob on June 03, 2014, 02:20:10 PM
Very nice post, Sputnik.
I recall Ego was about to try Star Progression upon this.  :thumbsup:  I've been experimenting with this progression a few years ago.
This pattern idea may very well work with the rider idea.
Have you tried it out already?

Bob
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 03, 2014, 05:03:08 PM

I have one tweak with this method where you only place 11 bets and cover 24 unique trails or 8 patterns.
But my head is spinning around in circles when i try to explain the method for my self, wish would make it very hard to explain in public.

Next i will try to explain how you cover 24 unique trails with only 11 placed bets.

Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 03, 2014, 07:06:54 PM

Covering 24 unique trails with only 11 bets.

You can pick any pattern of three.
With this example i use the following.

BPB

Now there is two patterns that match this formation XOX - does are banker pattern BPB and PBP.
So no matter if player or banker show next, so will i play for a repeat.
This means i will play BP or PB.

This mean i only place one single bet to catch a repeat of same pattern or same formation.

BPB
B

Here i would play player as i mention above.

BPB
P

Here i would play banker as i mention above.

I lost the bet and got a new pattern.

BPB
PPP

Now i wait for two outcomes to match one of the two previous patterns.
If i get BP or PB i will play BPB or PBP - the XOX formation.
So it does not matter if there is a banker or player next.
If i get PP or BB i will play PPP or BBB - the XXX formation.

All this with one single bet.
To catch that one previous pattern or formation will repeat.

BPB
PPP
BPP

We lose our bet and got a new pattern to show BPP - a new formation XOO.
WOW we place two bet and got three unique patterns to show.

Now we wait for next outcome and it does not matter if it is player or banker.

BPB
PPP
BPP
P

Now we will bet that one previos pattern will repeat or that one formation will repeat.
We have two patterns or formation that begin with BP and BP ... they are BPB and BPP.
So our first bet it to catch one of does two.
We got player and have to play banker next. PB and hope that they will become XOX or XOO formation/pattern.
If the two dominant would have been PP or BB then you would play PP or BB next.

BPB
PPP
BPP
PP

We lost again and only place one single bet.
None of the patterns/formation repeats.

Now we only have one match left with PPP to become BBB or formation XXX.
That is one single bet.

BPB
PPP L
BPP L
PPB LL

We lose and get 4 unique patterns or formation with no repeat.
It does not matter what banker or player patterns that show, you only place 4 bets to catch at least one repeat.
They can only be 4 unique formation or patterns with no repeat if you lose all 4 bets.They can only be 4 unique formation or patterns with no repeat if you lose all 4 bets.They are 4 unique patterns or formations if you lose all 4 bets.
They can only be 4 unique formation or patterns with no repeat if you lose all 4 bets.They can only be 4 unique formation or patterns with no repeat if you lose all 4 bets.They can only be 4 unique formation or patterns with no repeat if you lose all 4 bets.
Now comes the grail.
Now you prevent the other 4 unique patterns to show.
But i have not solve that algorithm yet.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 03, 2014, 07:45:39 PM

Example with today random org file - did not catch 4 loses with method above - 300 trails ... 2014 06 03
Amazing how effective this method is ...

1   1   2
2   2   1 W
1   1   1 W
1   1   1 W
2   2   1 W
1   2   2 L
1   2   1 L
1   2   2 W
1   2   1 W
2   2   1 L
1   2   1 W
2   2   2 L
1   1   2 L
2   2   1 W
1   1   2 W
1   2   2 L
2   2   2 L
2   2   1 W
2   1   2 L
2   2   2 L
2   1   2 LW
1   1   1 L
1   2   2 L
1   2   1 W
1   1   1 L
1   2   2 L
2   1   1 W
1   1   2 L
2   2   2 L
1   2   2 LW
1   2   1 W
1   2   2 W
1   2   1 W
2   2   1 L
2   1   2 W
2   2   1 L
2   2   1 W
1   2   1 L
2   2   2 L
1   1   2 W
1   1   1 W
1   1   2 W
2   2   1 W
2   2   2 W
1   1   2 W
2   2   1 W
1   2   2 L
1   1   2 W
2   2   1 W
2   2   1 W
2   2   1 W
1   2   2 L
1   1   1 L
1   1   1 W
2   1   1 L
2   2   2 W
2   1   2 L
1   2   1 W
2   2   1 L
1   1   2 W
2   2   1 W
2   2   1 W
1   1   1 W
2   2   1 W
1   2   2 L
2   1   1 W
1   2   2 W
2   1   1 W
1   2   1 W
2   1   1 W
1   2   2 W
1   1   1 L
2   1   2 L
2   2   2 LW
1   1   2 W
2   1   1 L
1   1   1 L
2   2   2 W
2   2   2 W
2   2   2 W
1   2   1 L
1   2   1 W
2   1   2 W
2   1   1 W
2   2   2 L
2   2   1 L
1   2   2 LW
2   2   1 L
2   1   2 L
1   1   2 LW
2   2   2 W
2   1   2 L
2   2   1 L
1   1   2 W
2   1   2 L
1   2   1 W
2   2   1 L
2   1   2 W
1   2   2 W
1   2   2 W
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 04, 2014, 03:24:25 AM

It was a few years ago that this "Birthday Paradox" was talked about, so my memory might be a bit off.
What Scott observed is that if you have a room with people & ask "what day were you born on?" you will get a few 7's, a few 10's etc.
You will not get singles with only one person born each day like  1,2,3,4's etc for the room ...

- - -

Methodology:
What is present tend to repeat.
Among new outcomes you have sleepers.

Conclusion:
I rather bet for what already has a show, then betting for new events, as they have sleepers among them.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 04, 2014, 05:50:26 AM
  I finally solve the last part of the betting march or algorithm.

It is based upon previous situation that will determine how to bet, it is not mechanical.
As you can see with my explanation above, so can the banker and player patterns come in any combination.
All we know is they will have no repeat, if we get 4 loses.

The situation depends on equilibrium and some times you only have to place one single bet to get one repeat.
With other situations you might place two bet and at most  three bets as your final bet to cover 24 unique trails.
This is less then 15 bets.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: AsymBacGuy on June 04, 2014, 10:10:38 PM
Bingo!

Despite we are using more complicated classifications, this is-more or less-the philosophy to beat the game.
No jokes.


as.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Luckyfella on June 06, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
I specifically made the last trip to local landed casino dedicated to test your system and the result is as impressive. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  Very convincing and stable with shoe after shoe.


Reviewed the results again today, make a few tweaks with set stop loss to defend against potential uncertainties and will head to casino to do it for real tomorrow. Hope not to get unlucky.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 06, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
Quote from: Luckyfella on June 06, 2014, 11:07:06 AM
I specifically made the last trip to local landed casino dedicated to test your system and the result is as impressive. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:  Very convincing and stable with shoe after shoe.


Reviewed the results again today, make a few tweaks with set stop loss to defend against potential uncertainties and will head to casino to do it for real tomorrow. Hope not to get unlucky.

Cool ,, how do you play the method ... what kind of progression do you use?
Cheers
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 06, 2014, 04:40:19 PM
LOL

Update:

Read this words:
Situationally betting system - a non mechanical system - sequential betting method ...

I solve the optimal algorithm to play this method.
Look at this LW-Registry:

LWLWLWLLWWWLLWLWLWLWWLWLWWLWWWWWLWLWWWWWWWLWWLLWLLLWWLW

3 loses once during 300 trails.
There is no triggers of bet selections, it is sequential betting following how the random flow unfold.


This is how Situationally betting looks like:

1 1 2
1 2 1
2 2 2
2 1 1
2 2 1 L
1 2 1 W
1 2 2 L
2 1 1
2 2 2
2 2 2 W
2 1 2
1 1 1
1 2 1
2 2 1 L
1 2 1 W
1 1 1
1 2 2 L
2 2 1
2 2 2 L
1 2 2 W
2 2 1
2 2 1 W
1 1 1
1 1 1 W
1 2 2
1 2 1 L
2 1 2
2 2 1
1 1 1 LW
2 2 1
2 1 1
2 2 2 L
1 2 2
1 1 1 W
2 1 2
1 1 2 L
1 1 1 W
1 1 2 L
1 1 2 W
1 2 2
1 2 2 W
1 1 1
1 2 1 L
2 1 1
1 1 1 W
2 2 2
1 1 2 L
2 2 2 W
1 2 1
2 1 1
2 2 2 W
1 2 2
1 2 1 L
1 1 1
2 1 1
2 2 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 1 2
2 2 2 W
2 2 2 W
2 2 2 W
2 1 2
2 2 1 L
2 1 2 W
2 1 1 L
2 1 1 W
2 2 1
1 2 1
1 1 2
1 1 2 W
2 2 2
1 1 2 W
2 2 1
1 2 1
2 2 1 W
2 2 1 W
2 2 1 W
2 2 1 W
2 1 2
1 1 1
2 2 2 L
2 2 2 W
1 2 1
1 2 1 W
2 2 2
2 1 2
1 2 2 L
2 1 1 L
1 2 2 W
2 1 1
2 1 2 L
1 2 1 L
1 1 2 L
2 1 2 W
1 1 2
1 1 2 W
2 1 2
1 1 1 L
2 1 2 W
2 2 2

I will try to explain this non-mechanical method based upon the principals mention in this topic.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 06, 2014, 05:02:47 PM
 
I had to test this again as i am afraid for curve fitting and i can not believe this results ... amazing ...
2014 06 05 random org

LWLLWWWWLWLWLWWWWLWWWWLWLWWWWWWWLWLWLWLWWWWWWW

Sequence ...

2 1 1
1 2 1
2 2 2
1 2 2 L
1 2 2 W
1 1 1
1 1 2 L
1 2 1 L
2 2 2
1 2 1 W
1 2 1 W
2 2 1
2 2 1 W
1 1 2
1 1 2 W
1 2 2
2 1 1
1 2 1 L
1 2 1 W
2 1 2
1 1 1
1 1 2 L
2 1 2 W
1 1 1
2 2 1
2 2 2 L
2 2 1 W
1 2 2
2 1 2
2 2 1 W
1 2 1
2 1 1
1 2 1 W
1 2 1 W
2 1 1
1 1 2
1 1 1 L
2 1 1 W
1 2 2
1 1 1
2 1 1 W
2 1 1 W
2 1 1 W
1 2 1
2 2 1
1 1 2
2 1 1 L
2 1 1 W
2 2 1
1 2 1
2 1 2 L
1 1 2
1 2 1 W
2 2 2
1 2 1 W
2 1 2
2 2 2
1 2 1 W
2 1 2
2 1 2 W
1 1 1
1 1 1 W
1 2 1
2 2 1
2 1 2
2 1 2 W
2 1 2 W
1 1 2
1 2 1
1 2 2 L
1 2 2 W
2 2 2
2 1 2
2 1 1 L
1 1 2
2 2 2 W
2 2 1 L
1 1 2
1 2 2
2 2 2 W
2 1 1
1 2 1
2 1 2 L
2 2 2 W
1 1 1
2 1 2
2 2 2 W
1 2 1
2 2 2 W
1 2 1
1 2 1 W
2 1 2
1 1 1
1 1 1 W
2 1 2
2 1 2 W
1 2 2
2 2 1
1 2 2 W
1 2 2 W
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 06, 2014, 05:09:29 PM
 Ok i just write down the basic first and come with deeper explanation later.First i don't bet if i don't get two banker patterns to match for a repeat or two player patterns to match.Then the random flow grow with banker and player patterns with no match up to the breaking point when they have to repeat, then i start betting.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on June 06, 2014, 06:17:17 PM
 
I will write down this method and make a PDF ...
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Atlantis on June 06, 2014, 06:40:11 PM
Hi sputnik,
It is interesting. Look forward to your pdf explanation.
A.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: SamNL on June 07, 2014, 07:46:26 AM
I agree with Atlantis.
Very interesting. Am looking forward to the PDF file :thumbsup:
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: RouletteFan on June 07, 2014, 10:47:11 AM
Looking for PDF
thanks
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Rolex-Watch on June 07, 2014, 11:52:12 PM
Quote from: Garnabby on June 07, 2014, 09:43:38 PM

David did admit to the group at BF's that he suffered a mental disorder;
So where would that rank you?

Eirescott mainly focuses on Roulette and certain devices and can be found occasionally on other forums.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Luckyfella on June 09, 2014, 04:54:30 PM
I noticed that many do not understand the way to place bet so here's an example of a live burn card deck using 11bets for 24 unique -


                             Flat          Flat
                             Bet           Bet
P  P  B   X   X   O
B  P  B   X   Ox X      L
P  B  B   X   O   Ox    L
B  B  P   X   Xx  Ox    L/W
B  B  B   X   Xx  X      W             W
B  P  P   X   Ox  O      L
P  B  P   X   O    Xx     L
P  P  B   X   Xx   O     L/L
P  B  P   X   Ox   X     L              L
B  B  P   X   X    Ox    W            W
B  B  P   X   Xx   O     W
B  B  P   X   Xx   O     W
P  P  P   X    Xx   X     W
B  B  B  X    Xx   X     W
P  P  P   X    Xx   X     W
B  B  B  X    Xx   X     W


*x is where the bet is made.


After many shoes of live data, the observed data from live shoes of 8 decks burn card, the best result is when the flat bet is placed for the next 3 bets following a LLLW or LLLL result as shown in the 2nd  column bet example above. The average profit potential is net of +10 units over 30 decks.


The practical approach is to for 2 persons to play at the dual electronic baccarat machine over 8 hrs that'll give a total of 32 decks(2persons x 2 decks x 8 hrs = 32 decks)


All credit goes to sputnik  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Atlantis on June 09, 2014, 06:04:19 PM
Hi Luckyfella,

Nice result and I understand about the LLLL and LLLW triggers...
Thanks for reporting on your findings as well. What I'm struggling with or should I say slightly confused with is working out WHY the bets are made when they are..? The X O thing I find a little puzzling to say the least...
Should I be reading the results vertically or horizontally and looking for matches or non-matches of the patterns?
In any case I would probably apply it to roulette eg: red black or high low - that is if I could totally understand the rules!


[smiley]aes/money.png[/smiley]
A.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Luckyfella on June 10, 2014, 01:08:16 AM
I'll answer your queries 1 by 1.


The source B/P data is recorded in 3 data to a row format starting from left to right, the 4th data will be the 1st column 2nd row, it continues with the 3 data to a row format with the 7th data on the 1st column 3rd row and so on.


This source data is translated to X and O. The 1st column of any row is marked as X. Compare the 2nd column data with the 1 column data, if same its translated as X and different as O. The 3rd column is compared with the 1st column, if same its translated as X and different as O.


The exact place where the bet is where most people are confused. Remember the purpose of the bet is for a repeat, that is to deny a unique trail to occur. The spot for bet placement is marked B. ? denotes X or O after the source data is translated.


?   ?   ?
?   B  ?
?   ?   B
?   B   B


This follows the rules laid out by Sputnik in the 11 bets for 24 unique(reply #8). I made tweaks to stop at the 4th loss and reset with the 4th bet loss row to be the starter.


I chose this sequence with tweaks above after studying the collected data from shoes from b&m casino.


There'll be further issues if used with roulette -


1. how to handle zero


2. how to determine the starter row. There are 3 possibilities.


If any of you have further inputs pls post below.


Post data from your local b&m casino to compare that the results is not temporary or localised, to determine swings and stoploss to name a few, that'll be to the benefit of all including yourself. I can see many readers so do your part to contribute positively which is what this forum is for.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on September 26, 2014, 02:02:10 PM
Step 1

Take a dice with six sides.
It has 98.5% probability that at least one side will repeat at least once.
And the dice has 1.5% probability to show each side once with no present repeat.

Conclusion:
98.5% of times the dice will occur with imbalance.

Step 2

Lets say i have a dice with eight sides, then the dice has to have more then 98.5% probability to repeat it self and less then 1.5% to alternate.

Step 3

If i can not catch the repeat during the process when all events is about to show.
Then i don't have 98.5% probability or above to catch at least one repeat.

Step 4

So if i wait for all event to show exept one sleeping one and play against it "trending"...
Then i face 50/50 situation as the imbalance has alredy occur.
All i can hope for is for the repeaters to continue, but i lost my 98.5% probability advantage.

Step 5

So if i mix all this, then i come to the following conclusion.
New events come and go at all times and repeating events occur at all times.
And the situation is always 50/50 when i jump on board as there is no beginning or end of the random flow.

Step 6

But if i cut the random flow into my personal permanenze with windows of attacks.
Then 98.5% of my windows or cuts of the random flow will have imbalance and 1.5% of the windows will fail.
And no matter how many test i do, so will they show me nothing as the only thing that counts is my own placed bets that is part of my personal permanenze.
So no matter if i play non stop or using hit and run i face the same animal.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: esoito on September 26, 2014, 11:21:49 PM
A very thoughtful analysis.  :thumbsup:

Have you forgotten about releasing the PDF you mentioned earlier, or have you changed your mind and decided not to release it?

No pressure -- just tying up a loose end.  ;)
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on July 16, 2015, 06:05:34 PM

Well my version is different as i cover all possibilitys and have the odds 99.76% of winning ...
I come up with a way to just bet as the random flow unfold, so there is no real triggers or bet selection ...
But for does who had a hard time following this can read the two PDFs i attach ...
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on July 16, 2015, 06:31:18 PM
 I find one losing session where 99.76% of winning fail ... i find 8 uniq patterns that i cover with only 8 loses ...
Random org 2015 07 11


1 1 2
1 2 1
2 2 1
1 2 1 W
1 1 1
1 1 2 L
2 2 1
2 2 2 L
2 1 2
2 1 1 L
1 2 2 LL
1 2 1 LLL
1 2 2
2 1 1
1 2 1 L
1 2 1 W
2 1 1
2 1 1 W

Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Rolex-Watch on July 17, 2015, 02:12:46 AM
The problem with this, is the number of potential losing bets you have to withstand before you hit your single winning bet.  Doesn't work using "pairs", I've tested "triplets", strike rate is just as poor.   
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on July 17, 2015, 07:09:44 AM
 
Quote from: Rolex-Watch on July 17, 2015, 02:12:46 AM
The problem with this, is the number of potential losing bets you have to withstand before you hit your single winning bet.  Doesn't work using "pairs", I've tested "triplets", strike rate is just as poor.

I don't agree - for me strike ratio looks pretty good when repeats chop.
And the odds are great.
Here below is two examples with out any kind of trigger - just following the random flow.

If some one want to get a more tight LW-Registry - then you can do as Eirescott and start from a sequense of 4 uniq patterns or even 6.
What i notice is that you only get 1 or 2 loses when you get 4 uniq patterns and then a win and at rare momements 4 loses or above.

2015 07 16
LLWLLWWWWLWWLWLLLWLLWWLWLLWWLLWWWLWLLWWWWLLLWW

2015 07 15
LLLWLWLWWWWWLLWWLWWWWLWWWWLWLWLWWLWWLLW
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Tomla on July 17, 2015, 01:59:18 PM
I have been following this thread---I understand several ways of playing it that I looked at here and at rf.cc , but am not sure exactly how sputnik is placing his bets
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: gr8player on July 18, 2015, 03:02:06 PM
My advice would be to simply let it go, Tomla, for there is nothing to see here.  I don't agree with Johno too often, but he is correct in his assessment as well, for there is no advantage to be had in betting for triplets.  I've already mentioned that to Sputnik in another thread, but it seems as if some players simply insist on learning things the "hard way"; my intention is to spare you or others the same fate.

Take care.
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Big EZ on August 05, 2015, 01:32:35 PM
Rolex....

Where can I find where Bayes talks about this?
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Big EZ on August 05, 2015, 03:55:00 PM
Those sequences all lose the 4 bets if talking about the pairs sequence.

1. I would consider this streaky, FLD is positive. If FLD is positive its usually a streaky shoe

2. Streaky . FLD positive here

3. Choppy. OLD is strong, If OLD is strong its usually a  choppy shoe

4. Neutral

Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: Sputnik on August 07, 2015, 12:47:05 PM

Hello John ...

I have been taking a pause - i will get back later ...

Cheers
Title: Re: EXTREME
Post by: HunchBacShrimp on August 09, 2015, 06:27:20 PM
um, why the deleted posts?

HBS