hi everyone...i have designed a system that is specifically designed for the BV no zero table.....
and to be used in conjunction with the bot..built of course my nicksmi...
it may be used for the no zero table...
I have tested this bet and a few other members on here too have it....
Ok before i describe a basic outline of the system me and nick have different views on the money management so I,m calling for help as I'm stuck..
I have stated before that BV if u win too much stops you from winning more..
Another member can confirm this..he,s finding betvoyager hard to overcome after a certain point this time its 350 euro..and he,s struggling against the casino...not much you think but its base-bet is .10 cents
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ok this pic is todays results over 7 hours play...it got cut off once...this is with a slightly different setting on the bot itself...
1st i have to say i haven't lost the 1000 bankroll yet..this picture is just one i took today i really should take more and i will
now me and nick are disagreeing about the sheet..he thinks it's a failure as the money won is not in respect to money lost...this was on the zero table betting in pennies where nick was down 93 or 97 euro...it recovered and he ended up in plus...but that bet was a win of a minimum .06 cents...when i mean minimum..that's the least you will win..
the no zero table fairs a lot better but does have draw-downs too..it hasn't lost yet..but this is all in demo mode...not real money like the other member who is playing real money...
so thus the problem i have is this..the betselection is perfect....its winning...even with the money management i have now but could there be room for improvement...i,m open to any suggestions on an improvement of the money management...
so for any ideas you need to basically know a bit about the system and a couple of ways i,m betting to get an idea where i,m coming from...
Basically in the picture you will see the dozens and the splits in one dozen are bet on...the splits have 1 unit on each which is 2 units in total leaving me 16 units split between the dozens...
my theory is a hit on the splits breaks even...a hit on the dozens give me a 6 unit win..in essence a 3 to 1 ratio to break even...so if i lose i need 3 wins to break even..
so that is the pure basic idea of the system...the other part is the actual bet selection..why we choose what we choose...
ok so this is where i,m stuck...i bet 3 ways up 1 on a loss up 2 on a win..continuous betting reset on a new high
..second way is virtual loss 2 up 1 on a loss reset when in new high...
third is same as above but virtual loss 1
IS THERE A SAFER WAY TO BET IS THE QUESTION
Guys
I'm the other player.
I played this system and went from 140 to 340 and then it got really tough to find a win. I'm talking serious tough. I am now at 209 and worried.
I am putting real money into the Smart Live casino for a test there and I am using the bot/sheet at Dublin for a test there. I will do a comparative.
I am not saying BV is cheating, per se. I AM saying something is very fishy here. I've been playing BV for over two years with real money and I've seen this on three different accounts. All three did exactly the same thing and all three were played with bots. The same that got me the money lost me the money--no changes on my part.
Again, this is real Euros, not play money.
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I've talked to a pretty salty computer programmer and he states that the SHA-256 you see on the BV screen is easily altered.
Because it is not a SHA-256 in the first place.
It is merely a panel, as he called it.
Whether this is true or not, I have no clue.
I am saying it seems very fishy that one cannot continue to climb with the same program that he climbed with in the past.
I am going to leave BV alone for a time and just concentrate on Dublin and SmartLive and see if I get the same misery.
Do I know it could all just be luck and coincidence? Sure. But coincidence can only go so far.......
Sam
I played on BV one of flat's method and was wining up to 200euro with 0.1 stakes. when lost all
OK, after few months played one of Ralph methods, also was up to 200-300 euro with low stakes.
After some time lost all.
Before few days I was playing flat's method with lines, from 30 euro got 150 and then lost all.
When i was playing Ralph method where i was fallowing last line and wanted to parlay a win, I never got repeat.
Few days ago i had ~15 repeats of 2 lines. as Sam says maybe it is just good luck/bad luck.
But i don't believe anymore in BV.
Sorry for my language
tada gal lietuviskai? Your english is pretty awesome--don't worry
Quote from: Biagle on October 03, 2013, 07:10:38 PM
But i don't believe anymore in BV.
by the way, correct English is
But I don't believe in BV anymore >:D
Joke !!
I get a lot of stick for my spelling and punctuation and I'm English....and get this.....my surname is "English"
For all it's idiosyncrasies, (had to use the dictionary for that, how do I make spellcheck work?), English has become a world language. As such it must be an evolving language with inputs from everywhere so keep going Biagle.
OT I know but it's a hobby horse of mine.
Trebor
QuoteI played on BV one of flat's method and was wining up to 200euro with 0.1 stakes. when lost all OK, after few months played one of Ralph methods, also was up to 200-300 euro with low stakes.After some time lost all.Before few days I was playing flat's method with lines, from 30 euro got 150 and then lost all.
All these methods are meant to work in good sessions only. Little adverse will get back whatever u have earned.
QuoteI've talked to a pretty salty computer programmer and he states that the SHA-256 you see on the BV screen is easily altered.
Because it is not a SHA-256 in the first place.
It is merely a panel, as he called it.
Whether this is true or not, I have no clue.
All rubbish Sam, when you hit 'end' a browser page opens where you can see how they generated the hash, they even provide another web site for you to check the sha against, it creates the exact same key, you can do that on many different sites and they all create the same sha, it cannot be
fecked around with once its generated, random has a flow to beat any mechanical selection/progression, deal with it. People cry when they lose and feel they have been cheated so they look to lay blame as normal.
thanks for support.
superman, I'm not crying, and I'm not feeling cheated.
Just if anyone would ask where i would play with my next xxx euro, i would say live wheel. Just it.
99.9 it is not a method
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superman
Could you direct me to a SHA calculator where I could put in the string I get from BV when I put in the numbers spun and get the same string?
Let's say I spin 3 numbers: 2, 3 and 11 and get a certain hash string. Where can I put those numbers into a calculator and get the same hash?
I have tried several and you get a different string with each one.
Sam
Sam, it looks to me as though you don't understand how to check the sha string.
Open the game
Spin once
To the right of the sha hash key is a button called End, hit it, a new page now opens up looking like the 2 attachments.
Next step is very simple, read the page
superman
I very well understand all that; have done it many times.
There is a "server code word" BV uses to protect itself from those who would try to divine the sha in advance of the end of the string. We're it not for that, you could know the last number in the group!! Sweet!!
Now, if you change one letter in that code, you change the sha number. If you eliminate the code, you get a new sha number.
I have done this many times.
I used the number 33 today. I did as you said and then eliminated the code entirely and got a totally different sha number. I then went to the first calculator they list and put in the number 33. Guess what? Totally different sha numbers!
So, again I ask, where may I put in the number 33 and get the EXACT same sha number as BV generated?
BV may be as honest as Abe, but until someone shows me specifically how to duplicate their sha number without using their code number, I'll just rest on my skepticism.
Thanks
Sam
I don't follow what you are doing Sam
Quotewhere may I put in the number 33
YOU don't, what are you trying to do?
Quotebut until someone shows me specifically how to duplicate their sha number without using their code number
You cannot, are you having a laugh Sam, really?
Quoteif you change one letter in that code, you change the sha number
Sarcasm: well spotted
QuoteI then went to the first calculator they list and put in the number 33
Why
Honestly Sam, they do the following
They use an RNG to give them 10 numbers for the next set
They lay them out
1 - 31 - 26 - 19 - etc etc etc then add their own hash key server generated word 1a22ah332etcetc
Now they send all that to the SHA generator which produces the SHA key they give/show you in the game window.
IF you want to check they didn't change it YOU need to copy the displayed sha value by highlighting it in the game window and paste it into ANY word type software on your PC so you can copy/use it later, play a spin or so and hit END. You will now see the data they started with, the numbers and their secret word, the end result of that data in the form of a SHA hash key. If that hash is the same as the game window one then there's no cheating.
Do you not think that if they only used the generated numbers without their secret server word, it would be easy to work out the next number by setting the game to only give sets of 1 number, that server word is their insurance for that eventuality.
You go to any of those SHA web sites and put your name into it, copy and save the result, then go to another and do the exact same inputs for your name so its identical then check the SHA value they should be the same.
OK, I will try that.
You go to any of those SHA web sites and put your name into it, copy and save the result, then go to another and do the exact same inputs for your name so its identical then check the SHA value they should be the same.
superman
Then, following the logic above, I should be able to take the numbers and BV's code and plug them into any sha generator and get the same number?
Sam
superman---while I have your ear...or eye as the case may be..
Have you noticed that one can no longer ask BV for a string of 60 numbers? I've tried it many times and it always goes back to 10.
Why do you suppose that is?
I have a suspicion...
Sam
Quoteok so this is where i,m stuck...i bet 3 ways up 1 on a loss up 2 on a win..continuous betting reset on a new high..second way is virtual loss 2 up 1 on a loss reset when in new high...third is same as above but virtual loss 1
So, you are betting 2 Dozens alongwith 2 splits, leaving 8 numbers uncovered. It is 28/36 bet having about 77% strike rate expectancy. Averagely, you should get 77 wins versus 23 losses per 100 spins with a very wild and unpredictable scatter of Ws and Ls. If you can beat most of them, u will keep winning.
i think i,ve found a way with the selection but i need a better money management system i have now tweaked the bet from two dozens to 1...but still a good money management would be good ...i,m thinking of the whittaker ptogression...though its slightly not a single dozen bet..becouse of the 2 splits breaking it even....
superman
I know you're dead set against the downloaded version of BV but the ExcelBot uses it so I use it.
Don't you find this curious: On the Java--or whatever it is--version, you can change the string of numbers from 10 up to a max of 60. On the downloaded version, you cannot. Why would that be?
Sam
QuoteI know you're dead set against the downloaded version of BV
I wouldn't say dead set, when I first played at BV I used the download version and had constant problems so gave up and did all my botting for the browser version in flash
Yes curious as to why they didn't include that for the download version but I wouldn't miss it if they took it away from the onloine one too, I have done many many tests of many different configs of their adjustable settings, IE asking for 1 up to 60 numbers and using the shuffle function too, where you can add to the value of the next number, yes you are changing the results but it's just kidoligy, to fool us into thinking we are in control, it makes no difference to our win loss registery