Some time ago, I played with BV nozero roulette.
The strategy was very simple, used a trend bet selection and John Patrick's regression.
Bet selection
When I started sessions waited for 2 different dozen , and Play That they repeat, Play That 2dozens till lose. In this way we play each spin, because if you fall out sleeper, we have 2 different last dozens.
Regression
We go up when we win
4-2-3-4-5
when we come to 5 units and the win, session is over
stop lose is 3 attempts, if the lose 3 times first bet ,end session.
To my surprise, after a few thousand spins, BR was positive.
I do not think this will continue in the long run, but the results were very interesting.
I do not play this strategy further for lack of time.
Nice approch.
Cheers
And I thought a little , we can use this kind of regression in live sports betting on Betfair, we can use on any 1.50 odds bet, but if we have a lot of time would suggest waiting football matches when we have 0-0 for the 2nd half, waiting odds That will increase to 1.53 ,and then bet over 0.5 goals.
Maybe we are able to some increase our effectiveness.
Well i feel that you are on the right track - i Always test varios ways using Regression Up & Pull.
With your example above i belive that the strike ratio for domination compensate for the loses.
I have John Patricks Sport Handicap Ebook - but i did not have time or understand the lingo for different aspects.
Also experimenting with Roulette solutions and try to convert them into Sport betting.
Nice to see that you like Regression Up & Pull.
Sports betting is the main area, which interests me because we have edge by picking good events or having good source of information. Roulette treats as a hobby, it seems to me that the difficulties that are used by online casinos, long-term profit is realy hard to achieve.
When I will have time preferable to try to play with this strategy.
If we have the edge with this strategy, it is minimal, and probably have to play a lot of spins to achieve any profit.
Quote from: ozon on January 19, 2017, 04:13:25 AM
Sports betting is the main area, which interests me because we have edge by picking good events or having good source of information. Roulette treats as a hobby, it seems to me that the difficulties that are used by online casinos, long-term profit is realy hard to achieve.
When I will have time preferable to try to play with this strategy.
If we have the edge with this strategy, it is minimal, and probably have to play a lot of spins to achieve any profit.
Yep, with you on this, I trade on betfair on a regular basis now, I tend to play to cash out on my hit % , on LTD, or Lay over 2.5 goals.
Plus laying the field on horses 🏇
I had little time for the last 2 days.
I decided to check something, I started to play on nozero BV roulette.
Bet selection from first post, so 2 dozens bet, flat bet.
After 3750 spins im UP exactly +41 units
I do not know why, whether it is possible to achieve a fine edge by flatbet selection?
It works only on nozero roulette.
So far, I do not know if the software is malfunctioning and show lucky variance?
so you are playing against a unique dozen set
like this chart
Ozon i feel you are on the right track and you should continue to follow that path.
If you master Regression Up & Pull you sure is a true gambler in my book
Thanks Sputnik
I also think that regression is a very powerful tool.
In a few days I'll try to play on live online table, with this bet selection and see how it goes.
At RNG I have all the time problems with disconnections.
Ozon whish country are you from ...
I from Sweden.
Cheers
Sputnik .I wrote to you in the chat, but I do not know if my informatio is delivered
Im from Poland
About bet selection
I played spins 12750
The whole time I was ahead , now +70 units, highest point was +180 units.
Im still do not know if it's edge or just the variance of RNG.
I have another idea for the bet selection
On the idea of clues me bleep24 from another forum
We always play last 3 DS if we will get hit in Play That 3 DS to the first loss, then take the last 3 DS and play the same way. every spin we have bet.
In this way, always playing the hottest DS as an even bet.
I do not know how it will look in the long run, but if in a similar way in the double dozen, Mayby be even beter with EC.
Yes Ozon i could read the chat :-)
Ozon i test using Regression Up & Pull with one dozen to repeat and two dozen as a HEDGE BET to break even and start over.
First bet has 33% and the secound 66% ...
I don't know if you should continue with the last hit if all Three show or wait for a ficitive win - but the results looks good.
If you want to know the selection method you can PM me and we can talk private - also work as EC bet and HEDGE with two dozen.
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I do not play more, for lack of time.
But I had an idea, only theoretically about long term negative progression.
If this bet has a selection edge, or is very close to the zero point. We can try something like that, raise bet + 1, after 10 Loses, 10 losses is 20 units from our highest bankroll if we are again 10 lost bets, raising the stakes again. If this recovery step to reduce the stakes. Whenever reaches new high, the reset progression,
It is very stretched d'Alambert. bankroll we need is about 1,000 units, that's 9 steps progression.
Its very long progression, some times we need to reach thousands of spins.
This progression is only theoretical, because it acts only on the roulette nozero and disconnections make impossible to play there.
I don't agree - my opinion is that you jump on board domination or trends with three of four attempts and if you don't strike you quit and start over.
Cheers
My last post, it was just a theory, I do not like this type of very deep negative progression where you need a very large bankroll for session, this is not playable method.
Nice in theory and research but absolute unrealistic reality at any table, especially with first wagers of anywhere from $75.00 to $300.00. Totally unrealistic.
If there is no edge in bet selection process, or even long term expectations to zero, this kind progression dosent work.
Thinking further if we have good bet selection, Mayby VDW by Nickmsi, when we have very good selection with medium drowdawns, we can utilize this type of progressions for EC bets in the rise stakes after - 20 units from highest bankroll, next Increase will be after we lose 40 bets from highest point it be -60 units, and so on on.Steakes table do not grow very fast, highest willbe 9 units, virtual limit is 180 losing bets from highest point.
Returning to the name of topic.
This time we take EC bets.
Bet selection
Always we play when we see single chop for continuations, BR ........
The second pattern we play is when we see double formation and next is single, example BBR .. now Play That formation of doubles will continue BBRRBB ...., till the lose.
Regression
As far as I remember, it will be
2-1-2
In this play only 3 attempts to finish this Sequence, if we lose 3 times first bet is the end of session.
Today. I tested this method with betselection from post 11
On the idea of clues me bleep24 from another forum
We always play last 3 DS if we will get hit in Play That 3 DS to the first loss, then take the last 3 DS and play the same way. every spin we have bet.
In this way, always playing the hottest DS as an even bet.
I do not know how it will look in the long run, but if in a similar way in the double dozen, Mayby be even beter with EC.
I had pretty good results, with regression
2-1-2 and 3 attempts to end the sequence
I know that this sequence can be longer, but the posts Sputnik say, that this will catch 3 spins of domination, maybe this is the solution.
Regression seems to me, that the longer the more difficult to achieve.
It is not bad to try a theory in the real world. You just need to have a lot of patients and exert a lot of effort to prove it. When a theory is proven then this became a strategy you can use in real world playing.
I read recently last posts of Sputnik.
To determine best profit target and stoplose for the method.
I think all the time That BV no Zero Roulette is somewhat manipulative.
Because again by playing flat rate I have a profit.
Play method was 3 DS as EC, chasing the trend. After 4 losing bets wait for virtual win.
Set a target profit of 10 for wining bets, +30 units, stop lose -60 units, 20 losing bets
I won 7 sessions, 2 lose.
UP 90 units, all flatbet.
I tried to play a game full regression sessions with UP and pull
2-1-2-2-3-4-5-1, but after 300 spins it was zero and I finished
Today I played with some modification of regression.
2-1-2-4-8-16-32 stop
I know RNG is joke, but today and reach first 7step win after 720 spins, I finished after the game because I was in a big hole with a bankroll, I want test further the kind of staking, but the results on RNG BV nozero are funny, if you start to play progressive staking strategy is destroyed in a moment, by a series from hell. Even if your strategy should work for some time . Not go straight down.
For the last few days I played something like this.
Bet selection was one dozen.
Always follow the last to catch the trend, and a series of 4 or more.
Progression
Positive 3 step 1-2-4 after win the third step reset.
What happened to my surprise
This is spins / results
1000 +151
1000 -63
1000 +102
1000 +72
500 +97
1000-6
200 +23
1000 + 18
1000 +81
500 +58
1000 + 33
1000 +2
1000-78
1000 -77
Here's a question for more experienced players, whether this 3-step positive progression can generate an edge?
All spins played on Nozero roulette, the results of the first 10 k spins are amazing, but the last two sessions are not so much,
Is it possible that RNG specially manipulated the results and now will be a series of many losers of the session, whether such progression can generate profit in the longrun and it is just a deviation?
My friend sent me a simulation of the last two dozen on a wheel without a zero.
Stake 10 units
From my old manual simulations, it appears that playing 2 last dosens is very stable selection, even if it does not give an edge in longrun, very rarely the graph goes below zero.
In addition to this I have a positive progression, which wins in the longrun on a wheel without zero, but unfortunately is not able to overcome the border of 2.7% house edge.
Nice to see read your writing about Regression Up & Pull and Positiv Progression.
The way i test to catch two dominate dozen was to bet the first dozen that hit to repeat, if not then i have two dozen hits in front of me and would bet both and then i would catch domination where two dozen hit within three attempts. Now if we don't follow the first dozen to repeat, then we don't know what combination we get or we get two dozen to hit, so being part of the domination you need to follow the first one to catch any combination with domination within a cycle of three.
Same with even money bets - assume singles are dozen 1 and series of two is dozen 2 and series of three and higher is dozen 3.
Then when you see a single you bet it to repeat, if not then you will have a single and a serie of two or you will have a single and a serie of three or higher.
If you get two of them to hit within three attempts - one cycle - you have bias or domination with two events hitting three time.
When you lose all three bets is when all three events show once each, same for dozen and even money bets.
I test this selection method and could not get it to work flat betting or with regression up & pull ...
What is amazing with Sputnik's March is that two events as i describe above sometimes hit for 20 times in a row and that is a winning bet or a break even bet no matter what combination they events that is bias or strike as domination - i have seen 34 singles and series of two once - that is the same thing as dozen 1 and dozen 2 hitting 34 times in a row with same probability - but this time it was me playing even money bets.
Cheers