Hi guys,
it's a new year and I hope everyone is doing well.
As some of you know, I am using a strategy and it's doing well till now. I did posted some screenshots of my play somewhere and quite a few has shown interest. Unfortunately I can't give my system away, a promise I made to a close friend of mine. Yes, we came up of this system.
So I came up with a proposal. A profit sharing plan where members can invest "X" amount, let's say 200. End of the month, the investor profits 100 and gets back 300 in total. That adds to 50% ROI per month. That's the basics of my proposal. Everything will be played on my account, I am doing all the work so its like a passive income for you.
A few days ago I have spoken to some of you who I am closer with and they are interested in my proposal. I have also spoken to Vic and he has asked for the approval from other mods. So far, majority has voted yes. But I would like the feedback of the public.
Vic will open a blog if this gets enough interest. That gives full transparency allowing people to follow the results. More detailed information regarding the profit sharing will be released in the blog as the time comes. Do sound out if you are interested:)
Have a great year ahead!
Vote in the mods lounge is currently at 3/5, we need to get the full mod crew to cast a vote prior to officially opening a section in our blogosphere space.
The idea so far is that a public section gives full transparency to the process, and personally I am open for having sections for special members who are successful players to offer their services for backing them up.
Of course it goes without saying the member needs full mod crew + community approval and the transactions are 100% 1-to-1 in between members and our site takes no responsibility either way.
We don't ask for a cut of people's wins; likewise, we won't take any responsibility should things go sour.
We are only offering the hosting space. No more and no less.
Let's wait and see what the fellows in the mod crew say, it usually takes a full week or so in order for all the mods to visit around and it's early in the year. So far things are moving forward since weddings is a well-reputed member of our community and certainly has a share of our appreciation.
So, we're in "waiting mode" on the side of the staff, you guys feel free to voice your opinions. We are listening.
I'm glad you are doing well Weddings.....but this kind of offer is wrong. You know, I know and everyone who isn't gullible knows that your proposal isn't achievable....not in roulette anyhow.
You can't possibly put this forward without the caveat "you may get no return on your money, or lose your stake"
You have to specify that, and therefore take the edge of what appears to be too good to be true.
I most certainly will not be staking in this idea but I wish lots of luck to all who do.
People need to realize that the reason they would invest in this is because they can't get returns like that them self. They then need to realize that they are experts in this game, and 50% return guaranteed is not achievable. The risk is identical to all the efforts you put in yourself....from which you have learned that 50% return is not achievable...guaranteed.
5% isn't achievable guaranteed
My advice is free and no one needs to subscribe to that advice.
Take it or leave it.
I know what you mean. As the saying goes there will always be two sides, one supporting one against. I wouldn't be here if I am not confident in what I do. Again as I said it's up to the investor whether he or she wants to invest in me. But i am glad you voiced out your opinion. In the worst case as you said, the invested stake will be returned.
I will be in support of this and will be prepared to invest +200 units say in this prototype venture but I recommend that a percentage of profits or turnover/churn go to the Forum, much as the Host for a Baccarat or Poker game might demand.
This could be a fantastic commercial application as independent and objective host by the BetSelection.cc Forum. There may be some contractual or legal issues to consider however.
In fact I would participate only on the basis that the Forum benefited. I like the commercial application, and the potential to expand this intellectual property base within the Forum amongst the members so they that choose may benefit. It is a win-win.
Very interesting.
It is a tired old fallacy that someone investing in this has no self ability to earn from roulette or to earn at such a rate. Quite the reverse, as my own earnings can quickly cover this higher level of risk*. I support expansion. Also I would recommend a philosophical stance of being open to change, as there are several examples in current world investment strategies that relate to new paradigms through electronic currency and use of computers for research and development.
We shall see how this prototype fares.
It is an exciting and refreshing idea. Yes there is risk of which I am keenly aware but I am prepared to support and contribute to a direction that 'expands' the current self limited view of things.
It is a very demanding challenge that has been set by the project initiators and will be fascinating to see unfold. I wish all well. You will of course issue a Universal Disclaimer.
Best
XXVV
*rate of earning
This is a term that can vary wildly over the event horizon monitored. In a recent live testing my SF Theory bet application earned +270 units in 35 spins. Does this mean that I always earn at that rate? - Of course not in fact the big picture rate averages around +0.5 units per spin, being a +50% edge flat staking. However despite that I have encountered variance where I have encountered 5 losing sessions among 7 sessions, quickly followed I should add by 7 consecutive winning sessions. Of course those who have no ability to think about the inter-connectedness of spins or experience will ignore this.
Thanks xxvv. I must say that yr research has been a great help in how I view roulette. Yes 5% seems to be a good idea, seeing that Vic needs some help with hosting cost.
The proposal is still new so maybe the first few batch of investors can come up with suggestions to improve. So I assume end of the month 45% goes to investors while 5% goes to forum maintenance?
Thanks weddings, and my reply was modified while you were in reply, so the detail needs to be discussed once the principle is agreed to. Looking forward to what unfolds and I will P/M in due course.
Yes I read your modified version. Every details will be stated once the blog is ready. So far my roi has been more than 50% that is why I am confident in that figure. As the profit sharing progress, things will be sorted out for improvements. Of cause, if everyone in the group agrees.
.... if someone is going to invest in this he or she has the right at least to know what the system is..... suppose if it goes wrong.....
I have my doubts about this..... ps, why not play with your own money??
Carlitos 8)
".... if someone is going to invest in this he or she has the right at least to know what the system is..... suppose if it goes wrong....."
Knowing what the system is won't make a scrap of difference if "...it goes wrong...." !!
What's the worst that can happen? You lose your investment, that's what. But players face that risk all the time, don't they?
So the normal caveat applies: only "invest" (if that really is the right word) money you can afford to lose
-- money that's not essential for house-keeping and the like. Recreational, disposable income, in other words.
Otherwise, simply keep your money under the mattress where inflation will nibble it away instead.
Hi carlitis. Are you saying if I told you my system, nothing will go wrong? No right? I can say whatever I want about the system, but ultimately its the results that will prove it.
As Vic said the open blog gives full transparency as well as letting more people follow the results and "piggyback" after the first group. So you can wait to see the results of the group.
As to why not play with my own money. I am. Right now my system is coded to run with stepf's Excel bot. With our without your investments I will be using my system. Your investments will be used to just copy my bets. Think of it like copying a trade from a professional in forex.
So what do I gain? Like I said I used to get roi with more than 50%. So investors gets their share while I gain mine. It's a win win situation. I am not forcing anyone here only interested members can come forward. I will be more than delighted to answer any of your questions.
@ Weddings
The best way of doing such thing is to publish your own winnings for a week, prior to asking anyone to "invest" with you in this topic itself. There will be a big queue of investors who would be willing to take a "plunge" in your winning streak believing it a long time winner.
Gambling is all about taking risk so as Esoito said and I believe, Even if you are the best roulette player ever, stake as much on table as you can afford to lose.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 10, 2014, 07:19:53 AM
@ Weddings
The best way of doing such thing is to publish your own winnings for a week/s, prior to asking anyone to "invest" with you in this topic itself.
-finally I agree with Alba for once.....but not week,but S.--personally would never accept such offer,investing in something am not participating myself.You would be better selling it after showing
long constant winnings screanshots....just my 2 chips.
Posted a few days back. I do play with redbet too but there's no history like bv. How many weeks is sufficent?
1. In terms of the number of placed bets, how long have you been playing it?
The concept itself more than a year. But now I am playing the tweaked version.
2. Which casino(s) are you playing at?
Bv, redbet
3. What kind of system is it? (ECs, a few numbers straight up, etc)
Straight ups only. Range from 1 number to 9 numbers max
Average 2 to 4 numbers.
Thanks. The reason I asked how long you've been playing in terms of the number of placed bets is because just giving a time doesn't mean much; if you only place 50 bets per week it wouldn't be as reliable a result as if you'd played 500 - see what I mean?
So you're playing at BV - is that the live wheel? if so you can't have played much because they've only just opened it.
I don't mean for this to sound like an inquisition, it's just that I'm guessing any potential "investor" would be happier with a long track record rather than a short one, and if you're only playing 2-4 numbers on average it takes a lot more placed bets to give some indication of consistency than if you're playing 18 or 24 numbers.
I'm with Turner on this one. I honestly don't understand why you would want investors if you are winning without any problems -- so far.
Why would you want to play with other peoples money, knowing that you would have to explain to them when it has a bad day, why would you add that extra pressure.
I just don't get it, sorry mate
Quote from: Superman on January 10, 2014, 12:05:25 PM
I honestly don't understand why you would want investors if you are winning without any problems -- so far.
I suppose one reason might be that he wants to increase the stakes but doesn't want to risk his own money. :P
Alternatively, it's a simple Ponzi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme): Weddings will get as many "investors" as possible and operate it like a pyramid scheme before disappearing into thin air. :scared:
If he's confident, then he shouldn't object to a simple challenge; give him some spins and let's see how the system performs. If it does as well as he claims it shouldn't take too long to get some statistically significant results. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Superman on January 10, 2014, 12:05:25 PM
I'm with Turner on this one. I honestly don't understand why you would want investors if you are winning without any problems -- so far.
Why would you want to play with other peoples money, knowing that you would have to explain to them when it has a bad day, why would you add that extra pressure.
I just don't get it, sorry mate
Actually what I want is to help those who are interested in an extra income. Roulette has been an additional income for me. I wouldn't be doing this if I am not confident. This thread is just an open text requested by Vic to see the public opinion. If the demand is not there then the proposal will be discontinued.
I do ask myself the same thing why do this when people are gonna question me. I thought of this proposal so I can help people without compromising my system. Before the problem was, if I were to play my system on the clients bv account the ip would be an issue.
Weddings,
Don't take offence at my questions, of course you don't have to answer them (and you haven't). All I'm saying is that you wouldn't be the first to mistake a good run of luck for a consistent winner. It's Vic's forum and ultimately he has the final say.
Thanks. The reason I asked how long you've been playing in terms of the number of placed bets is because just giving a time doesn't mean much; if you only place 50 bets per week it wouldn't be as reliable a result as if you'd played 500 - see what I mean?
Its more than 500 bets of cause, so much that I have lost count.
So you're playing at BV - is that the live wheel? if so you can't have played much because they've only just opened it.
BV RNG. I hae said before, if you can beat BV RNG you can beat any wheel.
I don't mean for this to sound like an inquisition, it's just that I'm guessing any potential "investor" would be happier with a long track record rather than a short one, and if you're only playing 2-4 numbers on average it takes a lot more placed bets to give some indication of consistency than if you're playing 18 or 24 numbers.
1 number bets win often too. I did test runs with some of the members here before.
This sounds very fishy at the first.
You didn't mentioned possibility of losing at all :-X so some money back guarantee in case of "magical" lost is possible I presume? :P
I must say that if someone gives money to a person who says it can ennoble it on roulette without any actual proof (few winning sessions doesn't prove anything) and without above conditioned in contract, is total ..... for me.
Drazen
Just the last week's play.
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Anyway looks like most of you are against it so no point in continuing this anyway
Weddings
Here is how it strikes me.
A person winning as you are could amass a huge bankroll in very little time. He could make large bets and clean up. Why would this person need investors?
Secondly............
If you have a lot of investors and start making huge bets and winning huge amounts--well, I strongly suspect you will be banned for some reason or another. These casinos aren't going to just sit still and watch someone win huge amounts daily. Would you?
Anyway........
You're making a killing. Don't worry; be happy!
Sam
No, iam not saying that.
Off course it can go wrong anytime anyhow....
But if ones buys into something should he or she have the right to know what he is buying into....
Carlitos 8)
Weddings,
Thanks for the replies. I don't think "most of us" are against it (BTW, I've removed ND's post - unsubstantiated accusations aren't needed), and even if they were it wouldn't prove anything one way or the other.
As I said, I've no objections and we're still waiting on one mod's approval.
It's up to individual members to decide whether they want to take the risk. If they're sensible, they'll keep the investment small to begin with.
Let's leave it at that for now. Any more needless criticisms or attacks against weddings will be deleted.
Weddings.....
Have to agree with Samster.....Casino will notice you have won a lot....and now you seem to be winning a whole lot more (especially online)I do have one question that I can't see answered (sorry if I missed your answer)Is this being played on RNG?personally, I think Bayes idea of playing a challenge would be great marketing for you....like a case study.
Just my view. Not intended to muddy any waters.
Thanks Bayes. I understand that everyone has their doubts against this as it is something that is new and one of a kind. This is the internet we know haters are everywhere, my bullet proof vest is on:)
I already said this in the beginning, this is for members who are interested, not forcing anyone here.
Quote from: Turner on January 10, 2014, 05:19:24 PM
Weddings.....
Have to agree with Samster.....Casino will notice you have won a lot....and now you seem to be winning a whole lot more (especially online)I do have one question that I can't see answered (sorry if I missed your answer)Is this being played on RNG?personally, I think Bayes idea of playing a challenge would be great marketing for you....like a case study.
Just my view. Not intended to muddy any waters.
I have answered that, BV's RNG. Yes I was told that BV has a restriction in the money you can withdraw rather than banning you. My focus in future will be on redbet which is one of the top casinos reviewed at casinomeister. Why redbet?
-Free spins, no 0.01 dummy bets
-Pays in 24 hours
-Faster spins compared to BV
-No disconnection errors
Thanks Weddings....
RNG is a contentious issue. Could be a deal breaker for many. Who knows?
Good luck.
Quote from: Turner on January 10, 2014, 05:19:24 PM
Weddings.....
Have to agree with Samster.....Casino will notice you have won a lot....
Right....lately/since raised my chips on DB/been regulary disconnected throughout the play,mostly
on winning bets.....is that a bad sign ??? ?
Weddings
If the you are very confident of the system, another option is why not simply rent it to
members who are interested, this is also a win-win situation for u and for members as
well, a certain percentage of the rental price goes to the maintenance of the forum as
well.....Just my 2 c.
Cheers
Rouletta
Quote from: Rouletta on January 10, 2014, 05:59:30 PM
Weddings
If the you are very confident of the system, another option is why not simply rent it to
members who are interested, this is also a win-win situation for u and for members as
well, a certain percentage of the rental price goes to the maintenance of the forum as
well.....Just my 2 c.
Cheers
Rouletta
Thought of that, discussed it with Stef. System has to be revealed to someone in order to upload it into the server, so it's a no go. Members have to have access to the excelbot as well.
I happen to think this is a very kind offer with good intentions.
I would say Weddings , why not start out asking for $30 / £'s as this reduces all round risk and increase the sum as results are proven and payments made etc. A test of the water for all if you like and another reason for keeping money / stakes low to start off with is this ; are you ready mentally to handle the jump in stake size and the money you will be dealing with ? You must be honest with yourself on this point as I know from my betting experience that it can change the way you think / react etc. your heart starts pounding , your hands get clammy, you don't think straight because the jump in stake size is just too much, the only way to control this was to come back down in bet size. Is your system mechanical or is there feel / intuition involved , if it's the latter I guarantee you that you will change how you think / bet , unless of course you have encountered all this before in the past and are comfortable with what I have highlighted.
As has been pointed out already , the casinos are not going to just sit there and let you milk them all day , you're going to need more than 2 casinos to rotate through and lots of time to play them.
Please don't think I am trying to put you off, I'm not , just pointing out things that you may need to think of if you already haven't.
Good luck,let's hope you don't need it.
Cheers.
System is played in excelbot. No feelings / human error that I can assure you. Yes I agree casinos are not going to sit there and do nothing. Definitely not everyone will be a part of it maybe a small group of people, with this it still allows liquidity. When Stef has the time to add in more casinos then we don't have to stick to one casino, therefore keeping out of the radar. I have already thought of all these factors. Details will be finalized once the blog is ready.
just cheeky question if i pay 1000 for excel bot would i get your way of play in it...and if not how would you know >:D
maestro,,,the excel bot is not the system...it runs systems that are built in excel...so the bot can run any system u make up.....think of it like the amazon kindle....the kindle is just a reader with extra bits added on..its the content that people put in and sell that's the actual content...same for the excel bot...weddings results shown are short burst of bets...look at the time per session...the bot is logging in and out at these points automatically...
is the system good ? who knows i have plenty of systems that do excactly this...and show these kind of results..the results shown here are only SHORT burst...not a long lengthy session...even when adding up the minutes....
i totally agree that if a winning system wins its self perpetuating and no money needed to invest...its called compounding...no disrespect weddings.....i give my sheets away ...i never ask for money for them even though i pay to have them made...i even give them before i tested them myself to people on my skype contacts.....i,m offered money towards the costs but i refuse outright....
no disrespect is intended....but think about it logically before you hand money over...
Weddings, I'm reading your thread and I'd like to add my little point of view.
You have very interesting proposal, no doubt. If it is played on BV roulette with showing your history board and the result is very good, it could be possible investment opportunity. In every investment is certain degree of risk, the more in the roulette. We have no certainty, no security for our money here.
You can see my BV history board from last days. But does it show anything? I don't think, even I have similar results for more days. The bad strike can appear anytime.
Good luck in roulette and also in investing issue. Don't forget that it will be the work with people and this is often more difficult than work with roulette :-)
Weddings,
At this time you have no reason to rent, sell or ask for any investment in your system. It is illogical; you don't owe anyone here anything.
You can compound your winnings until the sun comes up. And when you are finally banned from every online casino in the world, you can use proxies to play for you in individual sessions.
What you are proposing now will end in tears, it always does. Even if you are successful, it will turn sour.
Quote from: Number Six on January 10, 2014, 10:37:38 PM
Weddings,
At this time you have no reason to rent, sell or ask for any investment in your system. It is illogical; you don't owe anyone here anything.
You can compound your winnings until the sun comes up. And when you are finally banned from every online casino in the world, you can use proxies to play for you in individual sessions.
What you are proposing now will end in tears, it always does. Even if you are successful, it will turn sour.
Yup I have no reason to do any of this. We shall see the number of interested parties first then see how it goes. So far 4/5 mods voted.
It would be nice to see this group performing because the earlier group "Speramus" was playing a proven failure marty system of JL called "Pattern breaker". If it is not a "push till you win progression" stuff, the winnings shown by weddings are incredible and praiseworthy.
I would like to know a bit about his MM. Is it flat bet, positive progression or negative progression?
If it all proofs to be honoust ( no scam ) and perhaps those who are now intrested and will have an go in the first few months are satisfied about it perhaps i also could join inn.
Carlitos 8)
Well you got an good point there MBB, i also do not prefer online casinos.... but hey, if it proves to make money spread out over several months why not join in if one can spare a few bucks.
Carlitos 8)
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on January 11, 2014, 11:07:13 AM
pick up the chip, put it in my mouth, roll it under and over my tongue, spit it out and wipe it off with a tissue,
You've turned very Australian Skakus......although wiping it off with a tissue is still quite proper and quintessentially English. :thumbsup:
Agree with you MBB/my first ever play online,DB dealers signature/have rised my BR x more then 20 times,
haven't lost a playing session/averages 150/250 spins per afternoon/night/and last 2 days impossible to
play....either can't log in,or do after many tries,or disconnected regulary throughout the play.
Could this be perfy ban,may be.
Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on January 11, 2014, 05:03:39 PM
Agree with you MBB/my first ever play online,DB dealers signature/have rised my BR x more then 20 times,
haven't lost a playing session/averages 150/250 spins per afternoon/night/and last 2 days impossible to
play....either can't log in,or do after many tries,or disconnected regulary throughout the play.
Could this be perfy ban,may be.
which casino is this?
DB
Isn't DB a reputable casino? Have you tried contacting support?
Quote from: weddings on January 11, 2014, 05:23:57 PM
Isn't DB a reputable casino? Have you tried contacting support?
Did all,contact/problem my side,they said....call mainten.comp.chap/no problem my side,he said......log on twice
today in over 50 times/easily log in with proxy other address/--simply can't play..we see tonight and tom.
If this keeps up then poor Weddings will wonder why he ever bothered with his offer in the first place!
Yes, yes. I know. Due diligence and all that. Very important. But if you start with just a 5 quid/dollar/euro stake you're hardly going to lose the house.
If it's a scam (I don't think it is) then aren't there easier and more lucrative ways to defraud people?
And if it's a scam then Weddings has had infinite patience during his membership here before chucking out the groundbait.
Trouble is, everyone is basically so gun-shy because of all the scams that proliferate the internet that it makes it difficult to discern when an offer is genuine and OK.
But isn't it worth kicking in a small stake -- perhaps the cost of a hamburger -- if only to see what happens?
If you think not, then keep your powder dry and walk away. Nobody is being compelled to do anything.
At the end of the day it's your choice.
Any news on what happened to this pool play? Another disaster?
Quote from: esoito on January 14, 2014, 12:02:06 AM
If this keeps up then poor Weddings will wonder why he ever bothered with his offer in the first place!
Yes, yes. I know. Due diligence and all that. Very important. But if you start with just a 5 quid/dollar/euro stake you're hardly going to lose the house.
If it's a scam (I don't think it is) then aren't there easier and more lucrative ways to defraud people?
And if it's a scam then Weddings has had infinite patience during his membership here before chucking out the groundbait.
Trouble is, everyone is basically so gun-shy because of all the scams that proliferate the internet that it makes it difficult to discern when an offer is genuine and OK.
But isn't it worth kicking in a small stake -- perhaps the cost of a hamburger -- if only to see what happens?
If you think not, then keep your powder dry and walk away. Nobody is being compelled to do anything.
At the end of the day it's your choice.
Does anyone know the story about the famous (infamous) attorney in New York City named 'Marc Dreier'???? He sold over $700 Million Dollars (USD) of real estate promissory notes from huge real estate developers in Manhattan that were worth Billions of dollars themselves. Only problem was, all the promissory notes were fake, forged and not from the Billion dollar real estate developer. It sure looked like a great deal to the hedge funds and investors buying them.
"......Marc Dreier was the sole equity partner owner, controlled all of the firm's finances........."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Stuart_Dreier
So whatever happened?????
Really guys, I don't change, I still gamble I still go to Vegas and play baccarat around the Midwest.
What happened to this 'solid' guy????? Hello........................... ???