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[ADulay]

I have a serious question(s) for those of you who are involved with the Crypto game.

What is the actual PLAN for your crypto "investments"?

Is it merely to make money, as in any gambling endeavor?

Is it to build something for on down the road when retirement looms large?

With your holdings in crypto, can you use it to live on or plan with for future expenditures?

Do you consider it a real investment in the future or merely something to dabble in while stumbling forward in life?

If you have a substantial amount in crypto, do you sell some to hold back some kind of profit or do you plan on just keeping it until it hits the magical 1 million dollar mark?

Do you have a tax strategy for any of this?

Can you use your crypto holdings as collateral on something in an emergency should the need arise?

I see the alure of the BTC game to many people but somehow I just don't see or visualize the outcome of this.   There simply has to be something I'm missing here.

I just moved another $70,000 from an asset that got called into another product that will produce a similar profit moving forward.  I would not even think about moving that money into a BitCoin.

Am I truly a Luddite in the 21st Century of money management in real life or am I simply not seeing the big picture in the digital world?

AD

[Albalaha]

I think, I should answer from my side:

What is the actual PLAN for your crypto "investments"?
I prefer to use it as a systematic investment plan wherein I would invest a small amount every month in it which could be about 10% of all my investments.

Is it merely to make money, as in any gambling endeavor?
It is a proven High Yield Income Plan, only pour that much money that does not make you crazy on losing, although chance of losing all in crypto is negligible.

Is it to build something for on down the road when retirement looms large?
As I said, it is a money multiplier and could help with retirement with a dash of luck. Its two decades history tells that.

With your holdings in crypto, can you use it to live on or plan with for future expenditures?
I have kept it for coming ten years and might sell a bit if required.

Do you consider it a real investment in the future or merely something to dabble in while stumbling forward in life?
 I consider it as a side investment, for now. It may become better with time and could change perceptions.   

If you have a substantial amount in crypto, do you sell some to hold back some kind of profit or do you plan on just keeping it until it hits the magical 1 million dollar mark?
Do not put all your eggs in one basket is the guiding principal for me. If I have a big sum in it, I would diversify half of it in lesser volatile, lesser earner sources like index funds.

Do you have a tax strategy for any of this?
In my country India, tax evasion in crypto is technically very difficult these days but people always have ways to hide income and tax thereupon. You just need to look around.

Can you use your crypto holdings as collateral on something in an emergency should the need arise?
I can sell it instantly and can re enter that if comfortable in future.

I see the alure of the BTC game to many people but somehow I just don't see or visualize the outcome of this.   There simply has to be something I'm missing here.
Bitcoin etc are alternative currency for the world and I believe it is here to stay. No govt. can eliminate it completely. It has already been accepted worldwide.

I just moved another $70,000 from an asset that got called into another product that will produce a similar profit moving forward.  I would not even think about moving that money into a BitCoin.
As I said, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Real Estate, Gold, Bonds, Mutual Funds, Stocks, Crypto nothing is guaranteed to earn well all the time and those which can guarantee, they offer abysmal returns. So, Diversify.

Am I truly a Luddite in the 21st Century of money management in real life or am I simply not seeing the big picture in the digital world?
 You are simply an oldschool and nothing bad in being that but closing your eyes with emerging markets and technology is not a good idea.

Now, my query for you:
1) How much of BTC do you actually own as of now?
2) any other altcoin every tried?

If you never did that, just have a taste with a little money that you spend in hosting a frineds' party.

[ADulay]

Albalaha,

  Well, I still "own" my 1/10 share of a BitCoin.  The cost basis was $1000 to me.

  Initially purchased as a joke while drinking with good friends, I probably have no reason to sell it and doubt I will ever sell it as my buddies are always telling me how it's going to be worth a real lot of money "in the future".

  Besides, it is fun to tell people I have BitCoin when they ask but it's not something I think about on a day to day basis.

  So for now my portion of the 1 BitCoin (10%) that we own sits in one of their accounts while waiting for "the big one" to hit.

  Not so surprising is the fact that not one of these guys has mentioned selling it to take the profit.

  It's just not that important and I think they're seriously waiting for the 1 million dollar mark.

  And the profit back to each of us, approximately $5000 or so at this time, is not something we desperately need.

  My last ammunition order was $5200 to put things into perspective for us.

  I do enjoy reading about other people's experiences with their BitCoin exploits here.

  AD







 

[KungFuBac]

Hi ADulay. Your Bitcoin purchase looks like a great investment.

"...I probably have no reason to sell it and doubt I will ever sell it as my buddies are always telling me how it's going to be worth a real lot of money "in the future"...."

    IMO that logic by early crypto investors is part of the reason BTC has continued escalating. I saw an article a few weeks ago that indicated most (90%) of the early investors from (10-15 yrs. ago) had not sold any, nor bought additional. It also appears some of the whales aren't selling any either. I also read that over 90% of all crypto investors had lost it all or net- . Most early investors in BTC are in the positive with little reason to sell. Similar to AD thoughts above.

Investing in ammo is probably a good way to realize some profits justincase BTC moves south somewhere down the road. I know a couple Bac players that buy ammo/silver bullion as an investment. Im not sure how they profit from the ammo purchases (maybe sell to others at a markup). Maybe use themselves and save because ammo seems to always be increasing in price. I don't really know/haven't asked them.


ADulay in the initial post above:

"... What is the actual PLAN for your crypto "investments"?

Is it merely to make money, as in any gambling endeavor?

Is it to build something for on down the road when retirement looms large?

With your holdings in crypto, can you use it to live on or plan with for future expenditures?

Do you consider it a real investment in the future or merely something to dabble in while stumbling forward in life?  ..."



The few times I have bought Bitcoin(I have never purchased any of the other cryptos), my objective was to buy it/ immediately unload it(100%) into the purchase of Gold/Silver bullion.

My goal was to time it and unload it asap(within days if possible). I was stressed the whole time because of the huge fluctuations. My last investment was when BTC was stuck in a band from 16k--21k. My objective was to make >=7.35% on BTC volatility and buy into this difference between BTC and gold/silver prices. As you know precious metals have extremely high intrinsic value/very low volatility and seldom fluctuate >1% in a day or even a week. I've made between 7.5%--13.5%(Net after fees) everytime I've done this btc-to-gold transaction. Of course, once I utilize my BTC I then have to buy more later on within a range that may research suggests that Im buying into the lower end of this band width. So far I have been spot on with unloading the btc into precious metals in a few days for a net of 7-13% (which is huge when buying precious metals).

However, where I have been wrong, for example, is my last batch of btc was unloaded near 21K. I had bought it just above 17K I believe. My projections after unloading it at that time was that BTC would cycle down to 14K before it would hit 40K. Obviously, it didn't regress to 14k but instead blasted on through 40K with a lot of fluctuation in between, yet it continued upward. I have no intention of buying at current levels and attempting my methodology above.

Re: Precious metals.
Up until a few months ago several of the larger precious metals dealers in USA would accept five cryptos as a form of payment. It seems like it was BTC,Doge,Shib,Eth, and another I don't recall. They often give a 3-4% discount if one pays with eChk,Ach, or wire(but one has a wire fee though). If one uses a Visa it's a fee of 4% or so I believe and any of the above cryptos were the most costly with an additional 1.5--1.75% fee above all other payment methods. They didn't care as they instantly converted to USD and charged an additional fee for the transaction. Obviously eChk or Ach is optimal as no fees and one actually gets a 3-4% discount.

Well, I bought a batch of gold about two weeks ago /when I placed the order with this particular PM company they obviously still accept the typical payment forms. However, they now only accept one crypto (BTC). Plus, now they actually give a 3% discount for btc. They do not accept payment from any other cryptos. I thought this recent policy change was interesting.


Continued Success,

[KungFuBac]

Albalaha in post#1 above:

"... Bitcoin etc are alternative currency for the world and I believe it is here to stay. No govt. can eliminate it completely. It has already been accepted worldwide. ... "

I agree it is likely here to stay.

However, only a very few individuals currently own BTC. Though it is not illegal in many countries(i.e., permitted). However, it has only been accepted as a currency in very few(e.g., El Salvador). In China it has been deemed illegal in any form.

IMO the USA will allow it(BTC) to progress, at least in USA and markets controlled by U.S.
Its my opinion there are many underlying factors and parties involved that will have a hand in BTC survival (or its dissolve) and possible worldwide use as a possible standard form of payment transaction.

USA recently approved Blackrock and others Bitcoin ETF. The U.S. Government has a need to control the value of the USD as well as other countries' currencies and other forms of payment. Part of this need is because its imperative the USA props up the USD (or at least as a ratio to other countries' currency's value). I think a country like El Salvador was wise to drop their currency and go with Bitcoin in 2021(they were up over 40% last I checked). It will be interesting going forward to see if other countries try to implement BTC or a similar digital token or payment method as  a replacement for their currency.

The U.S. Gov also likes the idea  of a Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC). The USA is >33Trillion in debt with outrageous inflation. The USA has a need for propping up the USD. Plus in recent years also had to deal with the expansion and objective of the BRICS nations. The BRICS nations are interested in creating a new currency to compete with the US dollar. The BRICS are contemplating a basket of currencies that will allegedly include values from (Gold, Oil, Yuan, Rubles, ...etc) so that countries no longer have to buy/sell with only the USD. Possibly an option for the world to move into digital currency as well and move away from the USD.

Just my opinions / I may very well be incorrect.



Many things to consider for all things crypto.

[Albalaha]

BRICS now holds 32% of the world GDP and its own cryptocurrency which has been proposed for quite a time will hit the USD monopoly by and large. India is proposing its own cryptocurrency too for digital banking. India launched a Rupay payment processor 10 years back at par with Visa and MasterCard. With emerging crypto technology, Fiat currencies, it's exchanges and monopoly will become a laughstock.
  Do not underestimate crypto power. Decentralized finance is the future.Add these ammunitions in your arsenal too, for future.