Hi
I have tried all day to make a movie of this, but the screen capture software and the bot conflict and I can't do it. I just flat give up. So I'll just post a screen shot and tell you I have gone up 133 Euro (fun Euro) today betting nickels. The most I was down was about 100 Euro. The test is to see if I can win 1,000 E in fun money and then go for real.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 06, 2013, 06:16:10 AM
Hi
I have tried all day to make a movie of this, but the screen capture software and the bot conflict and I can't do it. I just flat give up. So I'll just post a screen shot and tell you I have gone up 133 Euro (fun Euro) today betting nickels. The most I was down was about 100 Euro. The test is to see if I can win 1,000 E in fun money and then go for real.
Sam
Sam!
Were you 1000 or 10000 units down?
Ralph,
I suppose if he plays on the no zero table that is 2000 units ; 1000 times 0,05 units
Stef
Ralph
I am on the BVNZ table. I was tired last night and didn't explain myself very well. I was down 1,827 nickels. That shakes out to 91.35 Euro Fun.
Sam
Up 248 since start...........
nearly 300
ExcelBot Tutorial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKiYb4dTROQ#ws)
over 100 e today
My first 100 unit day!
Gentlemen
I have reached the #1,000 level in my test. I don't know how many, but I'd guess several thousand bets--probably several tens of thousands.
But I've decided to err or the side of caution. I've been using a #200 bankroll and I've lost it twice. I will test again using a #50 bankroll and seeking to win #10 per session. This is more realistic.
Sam
Testing with fun money? You will get altogether different result while playing with real money.
Quote from: albalaha on February 16, 2013, 04:41:47 AM
Testing with fun money? You will get altogether different result while playing with real money.
The result will differ every time we play, if it is fun or real does not matter.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 15, 2013, 02:51:17 PM
Gentlemen
I have reached the #1,000 level in my test. I don't know how many, but I'd guess several thousand bets--probably several tens of thousands.
But I've decided to err or the side of caution. I've been using a #200 bankroll and I've lost it twice. I will test again using a #50 bankroll and seeking to win #10 per session. This is more realistic.
Sam
how it can't be #50 if stop loss is 72? also #50 = ~5 placed bets only
Quote from: Ralph on February 16, 2013, 06:31:55 AM
The result will differ every time we play, if it is fun or real does not matter.
Actually, it does matter, depending on where you might be playing.
I'll just assume that this test is not going on with a real table but an RNG game.
Manipulation of the data is certainly possible in that case.
AD
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UphGseHWw4k/UR9b_ZHmttI/AAAAAAAAKoM/ulBsPIEly1I/s800/RNG-Amount-2.JPG)
Quote from: ADulay on February 16, 2013, 10:14:30 AM
Actually, it does matter, depending on where you might be playing.
I'll just assume that this test is not going on with a real table but an RNG game.
Manipulation of the data is certainly possible in that case.
AD
Yes there are casinos which are not honest. We have to carefully chose them. A few years ago I was running a casino, it was just a framework, they supplied everything, so I have only to market it. That casino use no differ in fun and real. The site I sold later, and I got pay not for the casino rather the domain name. Behind this was an native American territory in USA( at least for legal reasons).
I think there are many cheating casinos, they stay in the air a while and comes back under different names. It is criminals on the net.
The do not have any audit, just fake, and stays not very long. Even fishing known casinos, Make them look the same and have similar names. Casinos can do HIT AND RUN.
The place you show, may not even sell casinos, just try to swindle people which want a casino, and use fake software and fake licenses.
May steal deposits and the "owner" got sued.
First to Biagle: You do not understand the sheet and how it works. On the Excel sheet I am betting to win or loose 72 nickles (.05). That is my base bet. If I win 72, nothing happens. If lose 72, the bot goes up one unit to .10 per number or 72 x .10. If I lose, up to 3 and so on. When I win, it goes down one unit. Spend a minute and watch my video and you'll see.
I have found the win/loss limit of 10/50 to be worthless. It loses big time.
Then ADulay: Yes, I'm sure there are many casinos that cheat. I think I've found a few. But the prevailing wind is that BV is fair. I trust Ralph. He may be one of only three I trust at all!! But if he says BV is fair, that's good enough for me. I don't think he's a shill for BV and I don't think he photo shops his screen shots. He just wins.
I have run tests on some casinos where you just never lose in fun mode. I don't care what you bet, you will win. They are doing that and they can do just the opposite when you're playing real money. Hear me now and believe me later--BV will not make you lose in fun mode, but if your system/method is bad you will lose. This is another reason I think they are totally honest. Why else would they just let the RNG produce fair spins in play mode? It would be to their advantage to "suck you in".
Sam
Getting back to something positive................
Been running the L v F on the ExcelBot. I accept Ralph's statement--something like play and real are the same at BV. It went something like that.
How do you say something works? A batter consistently hits 40%. Misses 60%. What team would love to have him? Pay him millions?
Same with this bot/system. Does it win every trot? No!! From time to time, it loses 100E. For every 100 it loses, it wins about 400.
So why am I still in play money. Well, my wife asks that daily--waving her checkbook around like a boomerang.
I am keeping an exact record of what it going on. Not just the bot, but what to do when BV crashes. The bot NEVER crashes.
I suspect that when I hit a profit of 2,000 I/we will fork over the money and go for real. Then we shall see if the play scenario and the real scenario match up.
Right now I am at around 1,300 profit play money. I tried setting the thing to win 10 or lose 50 and that was a tragedy. I lost 200 before I could turn around. It needs a cushion (coussin gonflable!) of money to go down and come back.
More as it happens.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 18, 2013, 05:50:08 PM
Getting back to something positive................
Been running the L v F on the ExcelBot. I accept Ralph's like play and real are the same at BV. It went something like that.
How do you say something works? A batter consistently hits 40%. Misses 60%. What team would love to have him? Pay him millions?
Same with this bot/system. Does it win every trot? No!! From time to time, it loses 100E. For every 100 it loses, it wins about 400.
So why am I still in play money. Well, my wife asks that delving her checkbook around like a boomerang.
I am keeping an exact record of what it going on. Not just the bot, but what to do when BV crashes. The bot NEVER crashes.
I suspect that when I hit a profit of 2,000 I/we will fork over the money and go for real. Then we shall see if the play scenario and the real scenario match up.
Right now I am at around 1,300 profit play money. I tried setting the thing to win 10 or lose 50 and that was a tragedy. I lost 200 before I could turn around. It needs a cushion (cousin conferable!) of money to go down and come back.
More as it happens.
Sam
Sam!
If you want to win 10, you must risk may be 1000, the risk of that is lower than try to risk 10 to win the same.
I have had losses, the worse 100000 units, but still I am since years on plus. Do not be afraid of your banroll. The time is to before make a risk budget, after that RISK IT if you want to win.
Take your time, a loss now, you must not recover now, it can be done "In the long run" (a few days).
Do not recjet a method because you lost once, and do not think a method is good by winning a few times. Try to find methods which can stand a drawdown and have recovery potential. We win using a good method and luck help us by.
Thank you, Ralph!
Something similar was my replay on the other forum.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on February 18, 2013, 05:50:08 PM
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I am keeping an exact record of what it going on. Not just the bot, but what to do when BV crashes. The bot NEVER crashes.
Sam
But what do you do when BV crashes. Whenever I run Ralphs bot any length of time BV crashes at some point (usually, of course, on a minus)
Trebor
Trebor
I put in the exact amounts that are on the screen beneath the BV window. I write them down and go from there. You cannot put in amounts lost/won, so I keep track of that and adjust accordingly.
Let's say I was down 25 E and BV shut me down. I am betting .05 at level 4. My bankroll is 500 E.
My new bankroll is 475 and my win goal is 25 + whatever it would have been. Say I wanted to win 50. Now I want 75. I begin at level 4 just as it left off.
The only thing you can't control is where you are on the Excel sheet. If you're down, you just have to calculate it in. If I'm up, I just forget it.
Hard to explain....
Sam
http://youtu.be/1d7RQf8qyzM (http://youtu.be/1d7RQf8qyzM)
Fighting the sin of hubris as I type........
The ExcelBot run over 100 Euro profit today in about six to seven hours. Got cut off but was always up when it happened.
Very small draw down--less than $10. As I told Nick, it was a day to make you wish you'd bet dollars!!
Sam
A 100 Euro win with a -54 draw down. That's 54 nickels or 2.7 Euro.
Where's the beef?
Sam
On the Bull
Well, I swore to tell the truth...........
Dangit, I lost one!! Set it at 200 just like I said above and it cleaned my clock while I slept. Bankroll still OK, but this is very heart wrenching!! ("But, hey!", Groucho said. "That's better than heart screw-drivering.")
So, as I always say, we'll see.......
Sam
Today was a good day. I have gained most of the 200 I lost back into the bankroll. I will not report again until I come close to 700 Euro. Or go just over it.