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Title: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 24, 2013, 11:01:22 PM
Just in case it's too difficult to find this information I have decided to make it all clear right here.

First a simple test.

Can you see the global effect in this string of red & blacks?

rrrr BBB rr BBBB rBrrr BB rrr BBBBB rBrBrB rrrr BBB rr BB rrrr BBB rrrrrrr ...

When I'm done you will be able to see it the way that I do. You could kill the casino if you see it the way that I do. Lets first see if anyone sees the big picture. Please contribute. There are no wrong answers that have useful directions. Please, no progression stuff. This is about guessing the next bets.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: esoito on February 24, 2013, 11:14:38 PM
Black seems to appear in clusters after a cluster of reds.

So, presumably BBB...  could be next. Maybe wait for a couple to appear before acting??

(Or have I oversimplified that? LOL)
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 24, 2013, 11:26:57 PM
Actually you are very close. What is red doing also?
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 25, 2013, 09:45:54 PM
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on February 25, 2013, 09:03:25 PM
Did I kill this thread?

Sorry. Was only trying to participate and learn.

You did not. I was just waiting for anyone else that wishes to make an observation or to share their insights with regards to this stretch of spins.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Blood Angel on February 25, 2013, 09:54:01 PM
Run of Reds,Blacks,Reds,Blacks,Run of Chops, Red,Blacks, Reds, Blacks, Run of Chops, Red,Black,Red,Black,Red,Black...all streaks.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 25, 2013, 10:11:34 PM
Quote from: Blood Angel on February 25, 2013, 09:54:01 PM
Run of Reds,Blacks,Reds,Blacks,Run of Chops, Red,Blacks, Reds, Blacks, Run of Chops, Red,Black,Red,Black,Red,Black...all streaks.

That's what it is. But is there a bigger picture to be extrapolated?
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: esoito on February 25, 2013, 10:44:15 PM
Weeelllll....assuming this is live play then the interesting patterns could be an expression of a possible 'dealer's signature'.

Is that not implicit in the patterns shown?

That's the only 'hidden' extrapolation I can come up with.


[See? You were right. I'm totally useless... ]
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 25, 2013, 11:01:22 PM
It's not dealer signature or any kind of physical bias. It's  an aspect of randomness.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: esoito on February 25, 2013, 11:02:45 PM
"What is red doing also?"

I've pondered that.

The only realistic answer I can come up with is that it's diametrically opposite black's pattern, in the sense that concave is opposite to convex.

Sorry. Brain cells have had it at this point.




Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 26, 2013, 01:08:25 AM
That's almost it. You are looking at it as a bigger picture. Now ask yourself this. You see that it changes from red to black and black to red. Is there one single thing that holds up as a constant, excluding that short stretch of singles, I'll tell you all what it is after the next comment(s).
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Bally6354 on February 26, 2013, 01:55:46 AM
This is a good thread.

It's not the system that gives you the advantage, rather the permanence. This is what you need to attack. It's one reason why online casinos restrict players from the live wheel but still allow them to play the more balanced RNG.

cheers
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 26, 2013, 05:27:33 AM
I'm accustomed to looking how the singles are flowing. There is one pure thing going on. When it changes from red or from black, there is at least one repeat from the new color. When it changes to a stretch of singles it comes back to the same characteristic. Once again it starts with at least one repeat before shifting.

I would bet big for every next bet after a change. Then I would bet at 25% of each big bet until it loses. The loss being a shift to the next color. After two losses in a row I would see that the perfect condition had changed. So that ends exploiting it. BUT -- it comes back to doing it again. That's one of the characteristics of the global effect. The strange configurations become a kind of type that returns for 30 minutes to several hours. Before me , I doubt that there were any players that tried to exploit these kind of big picture characteristics and conditions.

Once you start seeing these conditions you will never be able to go back to not seeing them ever again. They are great opportunities waiting to be exploited.
I'm so sure ths discussion will be fruitful that
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 26, 2013, 05:41:10 AM
... I'm so sure ths discussion will be fruitful that some of you will see examples of the effect and present them for discussion.

Here is another example of a global effect. When stretches of sleeping dozens occur, it's always the same dozen that sleeps for at least five spins. Or like this, for another example, When the high column sleeps it always does it at least six spins before coming back to life. These are exploitable conditions when they just keep happening for long parts of any session. There is one rule to live by. They always signal their falling apart by breaking their perfect structuring.

That's not to say that a global effect that is 95% perfect is not an opportunity also. I once saw the same global effect hold for four different tables over a four and one half hour session. The same 12 inside numbers lay almost dormant during that time.

Once you have learned this, you will never look at Roulette the same.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Sputnik on February 26, 2013, 09:57:47 AM

This is how i see it ...

rrrr BBB rr BBBB rBrrr BB rrr BBBBB rBrBrB rrrr BBB rr BB rrrr BBB rrrrrrr ...
RED

WWWL
WL
LW
WL
WWL
LW
LW
WWL
WL
WWWL
WWWWWWL

BLACK

WWL
WWWL
LLL
WL
WWWWL
LW
LLW
WL
WWL
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Sputnik on February 26, 2013, 11:42:00 AM

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As i see it you catch it with three attempts or you are done.
The losing tail is around two to three depending on staking plan.

Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 26, 2013, 04:17:19 PM
mBB, as you might have read in another thread somewhere, you must find a way to make it your own. I like looking at the conditions and using a built in regression style after each attacking win, if the conditions allow for it. Your vision of attacking the triples would have also been profitable.

As far as knowing when to jump in goes. I look back from eight, to sixteen, to thirty spins back. I use a charting method that allows me to see the effect of any patterns forming or existing in rapid order. It's possible to pick up on characteristics with a quick glance.

Most of the time my way of doing this is to play the existing short term trends while also letting any global effect also influence my guesses.  I've learned that it's great to catch a long term GE early. There is no rule. Experience tells me to give it a try. Please take note of this: I always look at each session from the point of its difficulty. That lets me know if things are changing or if they are continuing to be difficult.  It's all covered in my checklist of things to scan for on each spin.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 26, 2013, 11:05:46 PM
So now I can simplify all this. While typical randomness characteristics are occurring, they also sometimes simultaneously exist in a bigger, over all, characteristic that runs through everything. You would be wise to become aware of patterns and other characteristics, so that you become accustomed to seeing the trend, having never seen them before.

Now is that difficult to understand by any of you? I'd be very happy to answer any questions.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 27, 2013, 01:20:36 AM
If you can find a way to make that your own then you can find out for all of us. I never leave a positive opportunity in the middle of it. The reason that I discovered a global effect occurring on four different tables is because I was betting against the opportunities. I learned about trends the hard way. But that was way back in the beginning. I hope to help many of you from making huge mistakes.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on February 27, 2013, 08:27:07 AM
I do my best when I'm in simple to process sessions. Nice easy trends to read. Perfect effectiveness that rewards you with patterns and trends that run long and cooperate. If it were easy like that all the time the casinos would have shut down centuries ago.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on March 06, 2013, 08:35:06 PM
Although it doesn't matter, Spike is accusing me of abandoning this thread. The concept is here. What I shared about it makes sense to me. Do I need to repeat myself or to give more examples? I just want people to know that small trend characteristics sometimes combine together to show a kind of larger continuing characteristic. That larger characteristic can be significant enough to be highly profitable. Ignoring their existence is certainly a waste of an opportunity.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: AMK on March 06, 2013, 09:47:38 PM
Great stuff Gizmotron!


You have to feel this approach, I think I do.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on March 06, 2013, 10:15:48 PM
I'm not sure what you might mean about feeling it. I can't see the effect without the use of my charts. Then, it's just a matter of seeing them. It's true that going for it, high betting trends, it takes guts. Perhaps there is an element of gut instinct involved. There is nothing that can tell you what the next spin will do. You can't win a huge win streak if you never take the first step.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: AMK on March 06, 2013, 10:33:18 PM
You have to feel the consistency of this bet selection during "random".



Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: carpanta on June 13, 2014, 07:30:45 AM
rrrr BBB rr BBBB rBrrr BB rrr BBBBB rBrBrB rrrr BBB rr BB rrrr BBB rrrrrrr ...

This is how it looks like in my matrix of 6 steps, horizontal and vertical reading:

1 2 3 4 5 6


4 3 2 4 1 1
3 2 3 5 1 1
1 1 1 1 4 3
2 2 4 3 7

Where 1, 3, 5 are reds and 2 4 6 blacks.
You'll see interesting patterns while looking at vertical reading also.

I've been on this for a long time. Gizmotron is right. One can take profit of these events if you understand how series, intermitences are flowing. It's all about sincronizing with randomness. Clusters of series, series isolated in a row, how many intermitences between series. Those are things one must observe.
Practice and a training eye do the rest.

There are great opportunites there.

From this disposition of the series I assume it is just an example from Gizmotron. They were not taken from a real session. Usually they are not so caotic. I mean so many ups and downs of series components.

Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: warrior on June 13, 2014, 01:07:24 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 26, 2013, 05:27:33 AM
I'm accustomed to looking how the singles are flowing. There is one pure thing going on. When it changes from red or from black, there is at least one repeat from the new color. When it changes to a stretch of singles it comes back to the same characteristic. Once again it starts with at least one repeat before shifting.

I would bet big for every next bet after a change. Then I would bet at 25% of each big bet until it loses. The loss being a shift to the next color. After two losses in a row I would see that the perfect condition had changed. So that ends exploiting it. BUT -- it comes back to doing it again. That's one of the characteristics of the global effect. The strange configurations become a kind of type that returns for 30 minutes to several hours. Before me , I doubt that there were any players that tried to exploit these kind of big picture characteristics and conditions.

Once you start seeing these conditions you will never be able to go back to not seeing them ever again. They are great opportunities waiting to be exploited.
I'm so sure ths discussion will be fruitful that


And what happens when it chops s for 20 in a row?
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Turner on June 13, 2014, 02:43:02 PM
I have studied singles and series from a probability point of view and they follow the same unpredictable varience that ec follows. Infact...they are the same.
As pointed out....20 chop is perfectly acceptable in a small sample but single hits will be close to series hits with much larger samples.
I don't see any reason for patterns forming mathematically....just in the mind.
No intentional putdown on the topic owner....just IMO
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Leapyfrog on June 13, 2014, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: Dr. Mabuse on June 13, 2014, 02:18:16 PM
It is NOT what one sees but what one THINKS one sees.
Couldnt agree more. I am not me, I am not who I think I am, I am not who you think I am, I am what I think who you think I am. Crazy world of roulette, couldnt get any crazier than this.

There is some rationale in this though. Thinking loud, Gizmo, if you are winning, it is not the selection that is making you win, it is your approach to game and the way you spend your money is what is making you win. That is my humble opinion. And as always I don't expect you to believe me or agree with me. You will get that trot you are talking about even by just following the last even chance.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 04:20:01 PM
Quote from: warrior on June 13, 2014, 01:07:24 PM

And what happens when it chops s for 20 in a row?

I don't attempt to specialize in choppy stretches. I just try to find characteristics that are continuing. I realize that for the moment that chop is currently continuing. I just don't have a good betting method for it. I know chop will end. Everything has an ending. Everything has a beginning, a middle, and an end.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: Turner on June 13, 2014, 02:43:02 PM
I have studied singles and series from a probability point of view and they follow the same unpredictable varience that ec follows. Infact...they are the same.
As pointed out....20 chop is perfectly acceptable in a small sample but single hits will be close to series hits with much larger samples.
I don't see any reason for patterns forming mathematically....just in the mind.
No intentional putdown on the topic owner....just IMO

The point of the global effect is to see if it conforms to an existing context that relates to the most resent set of spins. When it happens, it adds to the possibility of having a strong win streak. Once you start to recognize the phenomenon, you will never be able to go back to not seeing them.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 04:37:58 PM
Carpanta, interesting use of the matrix as a charting method. It proves that charts can reveal characteristics.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 04:45:05 PM
Quote from: Leapyfrog on June 13, 2014, 03:34:39 PM...if you are winning, it is not the selection that is making you win, it is your approach to game and the way you spend your money is what is making you win. That is my humble opinion. And as always I don't expect you to believe me or agree with me. You will get that trot you are talking about even by just following the last even chance.
So how would your method avoid the losing streaks?  My method allows me to stay out of losing streaks.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Xander on June 13, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
QuoteSo how would your method avoid the losing streaks?  My method allows me to stay out of losing streaks.-Gizmo

Come on Gizmo.  Aren't your claims getting a bit wild? [smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley]

(https://www.ma.utexas.edu/howto/images/far-side_MidvaleSchoolForTheGifted.jpg)


I'm sorry but the over moderation is also absurd. 
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 04:53:42 PM
Quote from: Turner on June 13, 2014, 02:43:02 PM
I have studied singles and series from a probability point of view and they follow the same unpredictable varience that ec follows....just IMO

You don't need to predict when, by coincidence that, characteristics will go into a phase of continuing. Prediction is not possible in the near short term. It's irrelevant to attempt it, even from a statistical point of view.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Turner on June 13, 2014, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: Garnabby on June 13, 2014, 04:44:48 PM
May I refer you back to that Keynes stuff by Bayes recently at Betforum?


You may, but its closed...lol.  I will take your referral when it goes live again.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 05:02:02 PM
Quote from: Xander on June 13, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
Come on Gizmo.  Aren't your claims getting a bit wild? [smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley]

Only a fool sits there feeding a losing streak or any dominance of losing. You have to  lose all the bets of a downturn in order for the house's edge to fulfill itself.

That's you at the door. You need to go down the block where they are handing out brains.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 05:11:49 PM
Quote from: Garnabby on June 13, 2014, 04:49:30 PM

What is the gist of your method?  You remind me of gr8player, who keeps referring us back to hundreds of his repetitively useless posts at the GG.  (Somewhere in there is the "answer", you know.  Lol.)
You can do that w/o giving anything specific away.  On what is the method based? Which branch of math.

in this thread : from the second page:
http://betselection.cc/meta-selection/the-simple-explanation-attacking-trends/msg2678/#msg2678
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: warrior on June 13, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 04:45:05 PM
So how would your method avoid the losing streaks?  My method allows me to stay out of losing streaks.
You don't know when the losing streak will start or end.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 10:11:33 PM
Quote from: warrior on June 13, 2014, 07:44:06 PM
You don't know when the losing streak will start or end.

I know exactly when. The first loss is a signal that the pattern has broken down. That's the perfect time to stop feeding the table. Like I have said before, context matters to me a great deal. I play imperfect repetitions of patterns. I may come right back after a first loss IF THE CONTEXT FOR THE CONTINUING STILL HOLDS TRUE. That just means that the first loss is not always the last bet. But most of the time it is. If you use selective methods you can search for other opportunities. Nobody forces you to keep placing bets.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: warrior on June 13, 2014, 10:49:06 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 10:11:33 PM
I know exactly when. The first loss is a signal that the pattern has broken down. That's the perfect time to stop feeding the table. Like I have said before, context matters to me a great deal. I play imperfect repetitions of patterns. I may come right back after a first loss IF THE CONTEXT FOR THE CONTINUING STILL HOLDS TRUE. That just means that the first loss is not always the last bet. But most of the time it is. If you use selective methods you can search for other opportunities. Nobody forces you to keep placing bets.

The pattern breaks down and you stop, just to re-start and stop again and therefore your bombarded by more chopping, roulette is the hardest to make money with patterns.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 13, 2014, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: warrior on June 13, 2014, 10:49:06 PM
The pattern breaks down and you stop, just to re-start and stop again and therefore your bombarded by more chopping, roulette is the hardest to make money with patterns.

I'm not bombed by chop. I only bet when the trend's characteristic is strong or perfect. Did you know that there are typically one stretch of 18 or more spins that sleep for each double street within every 150 spins. That's 110 sleepers in every 150 spins. There must be a way to mine this data for an advantage.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 14, 2014, 03:37:37 PM
BTW, you can use any method for finding a trend you want. Betting on trends have three types of results. They work very good or perfectly. They work very bad. Or they work kind of both at the same time. My practice software creates charts that I can see very quickly what is happening . Your chart does not do that for me.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Mr J on June 15, 2014, 01:17:36 AM
I think it takes balls to start a thread like this, hats off to Gizmo.

It does not mean I agree (keep that in mind), just sayin, to KNOW you will be slammed regardless, I give him credit.

That said, of course any moron knows when a streak is over, HOWEVER, to know before it starts (at the moment of starting)? Hmmm, that's a tough pill to swallow.

Ken
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Xander on June 15, 2014, 01:19:25 AM
This is the same thead that ran for a decade on Gamber's Glenn.   The only difference is that it's moldy now.  I think we can file this one away along with the 4Selecta.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Mr J on June 15, 2014, 01:29:31 AM
Where do you find all these pics? Google/Bing pics?

Ken
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Xander on June 15, 2014, 01:32:38 AM
Google.  :)
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 15, 2014, 04:41:18 AM
Quote from: Mr J on June 15, 2014, 01:17:36 AM
I think it takes balls to start a thread like this, hats off to Gizmo.

It does not mean I agree (keep that in mind), just sayin, to KNOW you will be slammed regardless, I give him credit.

That said, of course any moron knows when a streak is over, HOWEVER, to know before it starts (at the moment of starting)? Hmmm, that's a tough pill to swallow.

Ken

Ken, my entire technique hinges on session effectiveness and the beginning of every streak attempt. Only these critics are never interesting in asking smart questions. If the did I would answer them. But all they want to do is stroke their own egos.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 15, 2014, 04:45:41 AM
Quote from: Xander on June 15, 2014, 01:19:25 AM
This is the same thead that ran for a decade on Gamber's Glenn.   The only difference is that it's moldy now.  I think we can file this one away along with the 4Selectra.

As usual, this is a flat out lie. I never openly shared my specific secrets or attempted to answer all questions that are relevant at GG. Here I have. In fact only here have I been completely open and transparent . I'll bet snowman is here, hiding.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: XXVV on June 15, 2014, 07:33:29 AM
Yes it does take courage to publish some information and data that is is really at the leading edge of reading the game of roulette.


I am very grateful for Gizmo's contributions which are formidable and valuable.


What does he receive -the usual cut and paste and lies and discrediting from Xander and other cynics ( as opposed to worthwhile questioning from a sceptical but open minded member).


Why does this Forum or other Forums permit posts from known troublemakers.


The answer from some will be 'oh Xander or others are  entitled to their opinion'. I have looked at this point in a recent note in my Blog section.  This community is living with a shared value system. If someone deliberately  seeks to undermine and ruin those agreed values by lies or intent to discredit the post by the author of this thread, then in my view that troublemaker should be cautioned and with repeated offence, should be banned for a short period say 3 months and then enter again on probation.


Biased and knowingly false opinion should be seen for what is is.


The M/O of Xander/ Snowman et al should be well known by now.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Dr. Mabuse on June 15, 2014, 04:10:52 PM
This  is a legit question.

Would any one  please  explain to the infidels the DIFFERENCE  between a pattern and an elegant pattern.

I trust this question meets the political correctness requirements  of this  board.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Xander on June 15, 2014, 04:55:12 PM
QuoteWould any one  please  explain to the infidels the DIFFERENCE  between a pattern and an elegant pattern.-Dr. Mabuse

Simple, by throwing words like elegant, eb and flow, or fluid dynamics in front of pattern then we can pretend that it's not just more of the same gambler's fallacy nonsense.

Of course, what's next will likely be made up symbols like "M" and "P" to replace the words red and black.   When pushed, Gizmo can't prove why he feels all of the mathematicians are wrong, and why his system should really work. 



In the end, it's the same nonsense that flares up over and over and over.  [smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley][smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley]


Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: warrior on June 15, 2014, 05:43:18 PM
Quote from: Dr. Mabuse on June 15, 2014, 04:10:52 PM
This  is a legit question.

Would any one  please  explain to the infidels the DIFFERENCE  between a pattern and an elegant pattern.

I trust this question meets the political correctness requirements  of this  board.
i would like to know too
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 15, 2014, 05:56:37 PM
An Elegant Pattern is a perfect repeating pattern that continues to hit perfectly for from 20 to 30 consecutive spins.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: warrior on June 15, 2014, 06:04:00 PM
Show me what it would like please.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: NathanDetroit on June 15, 2014, 06:20:18 PM
Taking  x as the dominant would that be a an example of an elegant pattern ?


X O X X  O X



Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 15, 2014, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: NathanDetroit on June 15, 2014, 06:20:18 PM
Taking  x as the dominant would that be a an example of an elegant pattern ?


X O X X  O X

That would not be.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 15, 2014, 06:35:37 PM
Quote from: warrior on June 15, 2014, 06:04:00 PM
Show me what it would like please.

On the American wheel I have these twelve numbers: 0, 00, 1, 2, 5, 6, 17, 18, 27, 28, 31, and 32.

H - means that one of these 12 numbers hit.
n - means one of these 12 numbers did not hit.

This is what happened:

HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn HHn

I made over $3,000 in half an hour. I started with $60.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Mike on June 15, 2014, 06:54:00 PM
Gizmo, so an elegant pattern is one which continues for.... how many spins?


How many elegant patterns are possible? what is the smallest pattern you can identify as a potentially elegant one?



Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 15, 2014, 07:02:34 PM
Quote from: Garnabby on June 15, 2014, 06:45:12 PM

That would be one in a trillion?  Guessing.

The topic of the thread was something about taking advantage of rare events. That pattern occurred back in 1993. At the time of my first posting I had only experienced one other perfect pattern. In the last seven years I have experienced three more. All three of the most recent ones happened from a set of groupings I call the tens. You can easily see them by looking at any standard marquee attached to a Roulette table.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 15, 2014, 07:17:05 PM
Quote from: Mike on June 15, 2014, 06:54:00 PM
Gizmo, so an elegant pattern is one which continues for.... how many spins?
How many elegant patterns are possible? what is the smallest pattern you can identify as a potentially elegant one?

20 to 30, as I said.

There's no handbook for pattern recognition. If you see a perfect occurring pattern, what does it matter what form it has taken? Consider it a bag of gold to ignore.  Take a Math pill and drink it down with the coolaid. I suppose you need instruction   on how to bet one too. You are lucky I'm talking to you. You are like the side kick to spandex boy.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 15, 2014, 07:25:24 PM
Quote from: Garnabby on June 15, 2014, 06:45:12 PM
P.S.  If three grand is all that you made on that one, then YOU GOT RIPPED OFF!

It was my first one. I had never taken a huge chance before. I started out all in and kept everything in for the first nine spins. After that I started keeping winnings. My first loss was a $500 bet. I walked away after the first loss. I agree with you though. I could have done better.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 16, 2014, 04:25:39 AM
Spike has no use for perfect patterns. From where I'm standing that's not so smart. Perhaps I should check for the context of his remark. Thanks for also including the link.

It's  always been my advice that educated guessing produces an effectiveness layer. There is no way to refute that, Not even Spike's wisdom. You see he also says that you have to guess more right than wrong. Well that's a wL list if I ever saw one.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: greenguy on June 16, 2014, 08:19:05 AM
Quote from: Gizmotron on June 16, 2014, 04:25:39 AM
Thanks for also including the link.

Hmmm, I just read that thread. As useless as tits on a bull.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Mike on June 16, 2014, 11:29:27 AM
Quote from: XXVV on June 16, 2014, 02:27:55 AM
What is so interesting here, amidst this context is the really interesting question raised by Mike being ' how many elegant patterns are possible?' et al.


Thanks XXVV. Glad someone noticed the significance of that question. Strange that Gizmo didn't, even though "elegant patterns" are his baby. Instead, it seems he prefers to generate more heat than light.


The reason it's important is because if there are more "elegant" patterns than inelegant ones, then Gizmo's idea might even work, because you will lose less during the "false starts" (meaning those occasions when you bet on a pattern to continue, but it doesn't) than you win when those bets do in fact become elegant patterns. But any repeating pattern is more likely to be short than long, so it's not simple to work out whether you make more than you lose. An analytical solution would be too difficult, but a computer simulation would give you the answer, as long as you know what counts as the start of a potentially elegant pattern.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 16, 2014, 01:52:18 PM
Quote from: greenguy on June 16, 2014, 08:19:05 AM

Hmmm, I just read that thread. As useless as tits on a bull.

See what I mean. That thread was my first attempt to share the existence of perfect, long lasting patterns. Funny how people that can't see them have expert opinions on how the don't or can't  exist. The topic that started this more recent discussion is about taking advantage of rare occurrences. How is it possible that you have never seen a perfect recurring  pattern?
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 16, 2014, 02:09:39 PM
Mike. Where is your work? Where is your research? You want answers? You have been given an invaluable bit of information. Capitalizing on a perfect recurring pattern was not on your radar screen. You figure out the stats. Get somebody that has a desire to create useless data so that you will be prepared to exploit these occurrences. As it stands right now, it looks like you will let opportunity slip by you.

I find it the most interesting point of interest on these forums. Most people don't have a clue how to get past the first bet while attempting to use any form of a trend as a bet selection method, in other words, guessing. They claim I won't share and therefore it's all baloney. The biggest complainers tend to be the most demanding and needy among us all. They just want a simple mindless form of rules that will give them a trip free ATM kind of life. Never mind developing skills as a craftsman.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on June 16, 2014, 02:16:50 PM
XXVV,
HERE your 21 numbers.

Here are 21 numbers taken from a recent live game and following is matrix that can be applied as tool for analysis.

BET STRATEGY=matrix3
BET 1st &2nd  ,
or bet the un hit, if 1st   same to 2nd  .

28H,25H,6L .....BET L&M=HIT!
16M,27H,19M  .....BET M&H=HIT!
17M,11L,31H  .....BET &=LOSE
10L,27H,25H .....BET L&H=HIT!
28H,14M,29H   .....BET H&M=HIT!
27H,36H,23M   .....BET M&L=HIT!
22M,0 
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 16, 2014, 02:30:55 PM
Keep your Matrix formed charts and topics off this thread and out of my blog. I'm a craftsman of visual dexterity . My form of charting allows me to see many forms of characteristics of trends in just a few seconds. Matrix charts are almost completely worthless to me. They require close scrutiny to reason them out. There is no way to expose the global effect with them in under two seconds. After using them my head feels like I have been doing taxes all day. So please start your own discussion on the Roulette board or in the General Discussion area. Thank You.

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Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on June 16, 2014, 02:16:50 PM
XXVV,
HERE your 21 numbers.

Here are 21 numbers taken from a recent live game and following is matrix that can be applied as tool for analysis.

BET STRATEGY=matrix3
BET 1st &2nd  ,
or bet the un hit, if 1st   same to 2nd  .

28H,25H,6L .....BET L&M=HIT!
16M,27H,19M  .....BET M&H=HIT!
17M,11L,31H  .....BET &=LOSE
10L,27H,25H .....BET L&H=HIT!
28H,14M,29H   .....BET H&M=HIT!
27H,36H,23M   .....BET M&L=HIT!
22M,0
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on June 16, 2014, 02:41:51 PM
http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/gizmotron-or-anyone-care-to-solve-these/msg29825/#new
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: warrior on June 16, 2014, 03:21:26 PM
Bet selection is what exactly to elegant paterns?
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 16, 2014, 03:37:19 PM
Quote from: warrior on June 16, 2014, 03:21:26 PM
Bet selection is what exactly to elegant paterns?

Bet the pattern.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: warrior on June 16, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: Gizmotron on June 16, 2014, 03:37:19 PM
Bet the pattern.
Ok here how would you bet this?


Hhn nhh hhn nhh nnh hhn hnn hnh hnh nhh hhn hhn nhn nhn hhn hhh hnn nnn  hnh hhh hnn hnn
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 16, 2014, 03:45:23 PM
Quote from: Garnabby on June 16, 2014, 03:30:47 PM
N=2 is one way, but only when you're guesses don't directly involve the outcomes (of P-B, R-B, etc.)

There is one interesting exception which I know of, but otherwise, Spike was quite right.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  Some see a bag of gold nuggets, while others see absolutely nothing.  I thought Spike seeing nothing was so revealing. Spike tried to convince everyone that I was just trying to learn his secrets. I'm not too interested in blind techniques of imaginative deficient players.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: Gizmotron on June 16, 2014, 03:54:54 PM
Quote from: warrior on June 16, 2014, 03:44:04 PM
Ok here how would you bet this?
Hhn nhh hhn nhh nnh hhn hnn hnh hnh nhh hhn hhn nhn nhn hhn hhh hnn nnn  hnh hhh hnn hnn

if "h" was a single dozen then I would play the stretch as a dominance. If it was an EC, then "h" has a slight advantage. Again, played as a dominance . It would be much easier to see patterns if it were in my charting form.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: warrior on June 16, 2014, 04:06:56 PM
H is a 20 # bet and n is 16# bet .and is normal for the 20 to have more hit but the payout will always be the problem the accuracy of prediction is not there.
Title: Re: The Global Effect, what is it?
Post by: NathanDetroit on June 16, 2014, 08:01:20 PM


Quote from: Gizmotron on Today at 03:45:23 pm (http://betselection.cc/gizmotron/the-global-effect-what-is-it/msg29844/#msg29844)Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.


Carnabby,,

As  long as those opinions meet the political correctness  of this forum.



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