Quote from: AMK on December 12, 2012, 11:21:59 PM
TREMENDOUS work here Subby, AMAZING.


PB 4 DL, although a method which has to show any consistency, was developed to eventually play with VERY large units. However to get to this stage, would as you mention,  take a longtime.


Because PB 4 DL uses less units proportionally to PB it would take less spins/time.


I like the thought of just playing 1 game per day : )

It is my aim to eventually be playing with £40+ units with a BR over £5k. Your aim of 1 game a day would be my ideal grind too. Even if you had a dreadful run you'd still look to pull out a 10 units profit, overall, in a month. If you're playing £40 units then that is £400 which isn't to be sniffed at..imagine you got a streak and ended up 25+ units up a month...£1000 in a month 

Playing fewer games with larger unit size is my preferred option too 

Quote from: ignatus on December 11, 2012, 11:20:16 PM

3) When a number hit, move it to the latest number

I don't get this bit? Can you explain it a bit more for me mate?

Given the "Units at all cost" mentality that I'm aiming for as opposed to putting a "monetary value on things" I want to aim for some sort of set similar to this...It is going on a VERY conservative 20 units per month when in fact I'll be a bit miffed if we don't get 25 or even 30+ units a month but I'll use 20 units as a minimum.

Let me remind you reading this that in SPERAMUS ONLY we are going to have a minimum of 10 times a total loss( PB a total loss is 1, 2, 4 units = 7 x 10 loss = 70) as a BR before moving to that unit bet increase so...

If the ten times a loss is needed... 70 units...then our unit bet is our bankroll divided by the 70 (BR / 70units = value of 1 unit) To start with we had £150 BR so £150 / 70 = £2+ so we started on £2 units

To move up a unit value you must reach thresholds for the BR of...

Unit value .....you need a BR of......BR
1                                                                    70
2                                                                    140
3                                                                    210
4                                                                    280
5                                                                    350
6                                                                    420
7                                                                    490
8                                                                    560
9                                                                    630
10                                                                  700
11                                                 770
12                                                 840
13                                                 910
14                                                 980


Month 1 – 20 units grinded out @ £2 per unit = £40 all the while only betting 1, 2, 4 units
£40 winnings + our starting BR of £150 will give us about £190 as a minimum by end of month 1

-What did we do in month 1? Bet 1, 2, 4, units...nothing more...nothing less....

Month 2 - 20 units grinded out @ £2 per unit = £40 all the while only betting 1, 2, 4 units
£40 winnings + our BR of £190 will give us about £230 as a minimum by end of month 2

-What did we do in month 2? Bet 1, 2, 4, units...nothing more...nothing less....

BUT....we've now passed the threshold for moving up the units from £2 up to £3..i.e. our BR is above £210 as shown above to safely bet £3 as a unit...but still betting 1, 2, 4 units...nothing more, nothing less



***Please note that we will be passing the threshold for a unit value increase during the month so things will actually go faster than what I'm showing. I'm just trying to explain it in easily understood terms for those wanting to learn ***



Month 3 - 20 units grinded out @ £3 per unit = £60 all the while only betting 1, 2, 4 units
£60 winnings + our BR of £210 will give us about £270 as a minimum by end of month 3

-What did we do in month 3? Bet 1, 2, 4, units...nothing more...nothing less....

We haven't, in this example, passed the threshold for £4 units but we're not far off (threshold is £280) so for simple sake we'll stick to £3 units for another month



Month 4 - 20 units grinded out @ £3 per unit = £60 all the while only betting 1, 2, 4 units
£60 winnings + our BR of £270 will give us about £330 as a minimum by end of month 4
-What did we do in month 4? Bet 1, 2, 4, units...nothing more...nothing less....

BUT....we've now passed the threshold for moving up the units from £3 up to £4..i.e. our BR is above £280 as shown above, to safely bet £4 as a unit...but still betting 1, 2, 4 units...nothing more, nothing less



Month 5 - 20 units grinded out @ £4 per unit = £80 all the while only betting 1, 2, 4 units
£80 winnings + our BR of £330 will give us about £410 as a minimum by end of month 5
-What did we do in month 5? Bet 1, 2, 4, units...nothing more...nothing less....

BUT....we've now passed the threshold for moving up the units from £4 up to £5..i.e. our BR is above £350 as shown above, to safely bet £5 as a unit...but still betting 1, 2, 4 units...nothing more, nothing less



Month 6 - 20 units grinded out @ £5 per unit = £100 all the while only betting 1, 2, 4 units
£100 winnings + our BR of £410 will give us about £510 as a minimum by end of month 6
-What did we do in month 6? Bet 1, 2, 4, units...nothing more...nothing less....

***THIS NEXT BIT IS SIGNIFICANT AS YOU CAN SEE NOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'VE DONE THE HARD GRIND THE FIRST FEW MONTHS***

We've now passed the threshold for moving up the units BUT now we've broken the back of this grind Our bankroll at the end of month 6 is going to be about £510 as a minimum...from the above bankroll ratio chart we can see that £510 will let us bet £7 units <- we jumped past £6 units and went straight for £7

We increase therefore the unit value from £5 up to £7..i.e. our BR is above £490 as shown above, to safely bet £7 as a unit...but still betting 1, 2, 4 units...nothing more, nothing less



Month 7 we hit with a cheer given the unit values we can use now but remember we are STILL ONLY BETTING 1, 2, 4 UNITS!!  NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS
Month 7 - 20 units grinded out @ £7 per unit = £140 all the while only betting 1, 2, 4 units
£140 winnings + our BR of £510 will give us about £650 as a minimum by end of month 7
-What did we do in month 7? Bet 1, 2, 4, units...nothing more...nothing less....

***THIS NEXT BIT IS SIGNIFICANT AS YOU CAN SEE NOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'VE DONE THE HARD GRIND THE FIRST FEW MONTHS***

We've now passed the threshold for moving up the units BUT now we've broken the back of this grind Our bankroll at the end of month 7 is going to be about £650 as a minimum...from the above bankroll ratio chart we can see that £650 will let us bet £9 units <- we jumped past £8 units and went straight for £9

We increase therefore the unit value from £7 up to £9..i.e. our BR is above £630 as shown in the chart above, to safely bet £9 as a unit...but still betting 1, 2, 4 units...nothing more, nothing less



Month 8 we once again hit with a cheer given the unit values we can use now but remember we are STILL ONLY BETTING 1, 2, 4 UNITS!! NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS

Month 8 - 20 units grinded out @ £9 per unit = £180 all the while only betting 1, 2, 4 units
£180 winnings + our BR of £650 will give us about £830 as a minimum by end of month 8
-What did we do in month 7? Bet 1, 2, 4, units...nothing more...nothing less....

***THIS NEXT BIT IS SIGNIFICANT AS YOU CAN SEE NOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'VE DONE THE HARD GRIND THE FIRST FEW MONTHS***

We've now passed the threshold for moving up the units BUT now we've broken the back of this grind Our bankroll at the end of month 8 is going to be about £830 as a minimum...from the above bankroll ratio chart we can see that £830 will let us bet £11 units <- we jumped past £10 units and went straight for £11

We increase therefore the unit value from £9 up to £11..i.e. our BR is above £770 as shown in the chart above, to safely bet £11 as a unit...but still betting 1, 2, 4 units...nothing more, nothing less



Month 9 - 20 units grinded out @ £11 per unit = £220 all the while only betting 1, 2, 4 units
£220 winnings + our BR of £830 will give us about £1050 as a minimum by end of month 9
-What did we do in month 7? Bet 1, 2, 4, units...nothing more...nothing less....

This breaks the £1000 barrier and we'll be cashing out as stated in the Speramus rules.

BUT...given that we'll be breaking the threshold of increasing unit values during the months and it won't be so uniform as shown above....we'll be knocking at least a month if not 6-8 weeks off this plan of action.

What did you notice through reading all that? Yes that's right we were still betting 1, 2, 4 units...nothing more, nothing less   no matter when our BR was £150 or £1000....WE ONLY BET 1 UNIT, 2 UNITS, 4 UNITS...and ground the units out of it for 7/8 months.

By grinding and patience you can see how this starts to fly later on after you've put in the hard few initial months in. IMO I'd suggest you STOP looking at thigns from a money value when betting and look to convert that thinking to units and playing 1, 2, 4 units relentlessly like a robot until you hit the level you are happy at.

I've done a chart where I've got all unit values and BR's needed up to £100 unit values

Imagine 20 units when you've got a BR that lets you play unit values of £25...£50...or more! All the while just betting the usual 1, 2, 4 units like we've done since month 1

That's the target and the above strategy is a decent grinder way to approach it



Just reposting this to keep the info in one place....

Quote from: Ralph on December 10, 2012, 01:15:06 PM
Playing number 25 for 418 spins  loss  -996 units.




24, 0,13,29,15, 5,29,17,22, 7,29,22, 6, 5,30, 2,12,14,34,19,13,31,14,24,17, 5,20, 9,22,36,17, 5, 9, 1,22,26,33,22,22,25,12, 6, 5,11, 1, 3,14,12,17,12,20,19,33,35, 2,12,34, 7, 0,22,28,30,17,33,16,22, 1,18,23, 4,34,13,14,26,18,24,13,15,33,27,30,25, 6, 1,26,20,34, 3,18,17,22,34, 6, 5, 7, 9,15, 2,11,17,18, 2, 5, 0, 9,18,18, 5, 8,22,16, 7, 0, 5, 2,32,16,24,16,21,36, 1,11,10,10,14, 6,35,35, 2,23,29,25,18,36,33,20, 2,21,11,15,21,24,26,21,13,16,30,30,30, 8, 2,24, 2,23,33,11, 4,13,30,12, 8,16,25,11,21, 5, 0, 1,16,10,23,10,20,23,18,36, 1,23,12,24,24,10,14,13,20,34,32, 0, 5,14,21,26,25,17, 8,35, 8,17,16, 8,32, 8,29,13,20,27,17,13,26,29, 4,33,34, 0, 4,10,24,14,13,31,20,36,14, 7,22, 6,30, 6,15, 0,31,22,24,15, 0,34,13,30, 2,21,30,12,36, 2, 2,13,20,33, 2,14, 9, 6,16, 1, 0,18,35, 8, 2,18, 1,25,33, 3,18,17, 7,21,23,11, 1,13,30,13,21,24, 4,35,35,17,25,28,29,15, 0,16,12, 5,27,35,34,17,11,10, 1,15, 0,15,12,27,21,29,24, 4,12,17, 4,36,35,32,21,20,25,27, 2, 9,20, 4,36,17,19,26,36,10,36,31,11,34,35, 1, 2,32, 1, 2, 6,30,35, 4,12, 9, 6, 7,35,35,21, 8,35,21, 3,10,21,14, 5, 3,19,12,36,21,36,14,32,16, 4,11, 0, 6,16,36, 8,16, 8,23, 8,11, 1,35,17,21,22,21,18, 4, 7,18,27,32, 2,23,28,13,33,19,35,36,32,34,23,36,10,33,33,29,36,18,35,34,33, 7,12,34,11,21,16, 3, 9, 6,36,

Ouch, a hefty loss...are you up or down in the grand scheme of things after that loss? I'd say you must be up

Just so I get it right....flat bet, say the green zero, with 1 chip until it hits...wait until it hits...when it does hit after winnings are paid out(36) look and see if you are plus on your BR. If so then stay at 1 unit...if minus from starting BR...increase chip to 2 units and flat bet until it hits and check again...if plus on BR then reduce chip value back to 1 unit...if minus increase it from 2 up to 3 units etc....

Is that right?

Ralph which option do I choose from the list to play this single number that this thread has shown.

Thanks mate

Quote from: Ralph on December 05, 2012, 12:11:31 PM
I have fixed som bugs which was reading wrong balance at two of the 10000 combinations.  I have made a warning if forget to chose a method or put a starting bet. 


The speedometer (slowdown slider) is improved, It is possible to change the speed using the slider.


Window 7 is proven to be whitout problem, older windows may nor work, Vista will probably not.


It is sometimes a method called TEST in the listbox, it is not ready for use, as it is a coming script under debug.


The white space at the right is reserved for an other way of chose scripts when they becomes in larger number, they will then be in different categories.




I will announce using a post here where and when and how to get the bot. This version is free for all.

Wow this looks amazing, really impressed Ralph 

Is your system available to others Ralph or is this a private setup?

Quote from: Ophis on December 07, 2012, 10:00:36 AM
wow man, are you wining every session with it?

if not the fact that I'm trerribly busy (new mini comming out - 300 hundred robots to program) I would join your tests....

just tell me, did you play already with 0.1?
it may sounds funny but every system that I have tested and was performing good... start to lose after rising units... but maybe that's just an illusion.

That other Manrique post you did should be made compulsory reading for new members before they get in the forums....

How do you pick your "target number" ?

By random or what?

I have found that any time either 26 or 29 appears...the other one usually appears within 5-10 spins too.

I normally put a chip on 3rd dozen if either 26 or 29 drop in, for 5-10 spins and so often I've hit it

Are they not a pain in the behind for payouts? Long winded and hard to process?

I've enjoyed reading this thread but surely in that last example with the 3 number series of numbers with the 1 always at the third number...Surely the odds of that continuing are slim, I'd bet against it myself.

IMO you can't tell if something is correcting...as the example in page 1, the original poster said that "red went on another streak when black tried to correct" or words to that effect. It looks easier to follow after the numbers have already been spun.
http://betselection.cc/meta-selection/the-simple-explanation-attacking-trends/?action=dlattach;attach=566;image
Again the Is there really a way to see if Black was to become dominant? How can you say that red won't go again on another long run....that image could just be part of an even BIGGER picture in terms of numbers spun...and red being dominant yet again might be the result of correcting a huge black dominance in 1000 spins? You just don't know...still interesting to read though. I like the chat, even if I'm a bit dubious about being able to use it