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[alrelax]

If I remember, you play on line and do not have access to a live casino?  Is that correct or am I mistaken? 

Go ahead and believe what you say. 

Thanks and hope your new year is of course lucky and may you sheer guess correct each and every time because there is no other way................................

[Gizmotron]

If you are now seeing say BBBB what can you identify seeing this? If you guess this is streak, the chance of ending the streak right here and goin one more time is equal. How can you utilize that? After the end of a session it is easier to analyse but identifying an "opportunity" at correct times could be done only with clairvoyance. Sadly I do not have clairvoyance. I work on logic only.

OK, nobody knows anything because there is no evidence showing context to go on.


What do you do with this: BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP


Now that was a perfect example of the global effect but even a neophyte gambler can figure this out if it were just a little less than perfect. Sometimes there is context. I recommend that you ignore this when it stairs you in the face. Just keep mumbling the mantra 5% hopelessness.

[alrelax]

OK, nobody knows anything because there is no evidence showing context to go on.


What do you do with this: BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP


Now that was a perfect example of the global effect but even a neophyte gambler can figure this out if it were just a little less than perfect. Sometimes there is context. I recommend that you ignore this when it stairs you in the face. Just keep mumbling the mantra 5% hopelessness.

Same..................

Sad things about what some say like Albalaha, is in so many words, don't recognize anything.  Anything, is just a coincidence according to them.  But they contradict themselves to the max here. Because if the shoe was producing 1 Player and then 5 Bankers and then 1 Player again and 5 more Bankers and then 1 Player and then 6 more Bankers, etc., and I wagered on the multiple Bankers each time and only lost the one wager when it fell off and went to the 1 Player, I would still have been guessing.  It is always a guess if someone needs to label the winning decision but when I play I am not trying to be correct in picking out a pattern or trend or a certain order of winning hands at such and such a point in the shoe. I am trying to be on the correct side that prevails as the shoe is producing those hands.  And the easiest and most successful way to do that, is to be in some kind of section/cluster to group of hands that the shoe is producing.   

However, I can always shut it down and not 'wager with what the shoe is most certainly producing'.  Those that wager for the cut or whatever it is, even a sheer guess to the opposite side, when the shoe produces those 14 in a row or those 5 Bankers and then 5 Players and then those 5 Bankers again and then those 5 Players again, etc., I find it relatively easy to wager with the shoe rather than against it.  The list is long, when the shoe is producing 8 or 12 or 15 sheer chop-chop or perhaps it is producing a series of 8 or 14 doubles or whatever.  Or perhaps it is 1 Bankers and then multiple repeating Players for say  something like, B-PPPP-BPPPPPPPP-B-PPP-B-PPPPP-B-PP and so on.  My stomach loves it when I only lose that 'last wager' as it falls off whatever it was.

I said it before and I will say it again.  I rather wager with the shoe than against it for the one unit win after numerous Martingales', etc. 

[Gizmotron]

Magic, pull somebody else's leg. Anyone can cherry pick a great win streak. You should read what I have to say about the three and now five stages of the Effectiveness States.


Do yourself a huge favor and go to a casino and really put it on the line. If it works like you say, you might want to capitalize on it before the opportunity to do so dries up.

[Albalaha]

Thanks and hope your new year is of course lucky and may you sheer guess correct each and every time because there is no other way................................

If you gamble in the belief of being lucky, sadly you can not be lucky in the long run. http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/19400636/Long-run-in-gambling#.WGagRFN97IU

What do you do with this: BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP BBBB PPPP

Lol. there can still be both probabilities of P and B in the next hand and a chance of getting PPBB is as much after this as of BBBB or BPBP or any of the combinations possible. Patterns are illusions only. You can not extract from  emerging patterns in the long run and will lose ultimately. This is extreme ignorance only and nothing else.

"Gamblers are more impulsive and 'see patterns' where there are none." https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150429100937.htm

[alrelax]

          If you gamble in the belief of being lucky, sadly you can not be lucky in the long run. http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/19400636/Long-run-in-gambling#.WGagRFN97IU
Lol. there can still be both probabilities of P and B in the next hand and a chance of getting PPBB is as much after this as of BBBB or BPBP or any of the combinations possible. Patterns are illusions only. You can not extract from  emerging patterns in the long run and will lose ultimately. This is extreme ignorance only and nothing else.

"Gamblers are more impulsive and 'see patterns' where there are none." https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150429100937.htm

Seriously................I have played this game for the better part of 35 years plus. 

Hell with the long run, we can get killed by a drunk driving on the way home tonight or tomorrow or in 10 years from now, etc.

No one knows what the long run is anyways, different for each of us in reality.

Illusions only.  Okay, never ever again.  Same as I saw at the Bellagio during Asian New Year in 2015.  15 plus blacks in a row on the roulette table.  All the money that was constantly lost, each and every hand by people wagering for the Red cause it was due to come out.  Hundreds of thousands of dollars.  There was one or two little jerk gamblers as everyone called them wagering a couple green chips or one black chip each time on Black.  They both made about $1,000.00 each and then cashed out and left happy.  Numerous people cited, 'luck, pure luck with those two'.  LOL.

I had some respect for you but it all went out the door a minute ago.  Seriously. 

One very last thing and like I said, never again.  I, would wager on certain parts of what the shoe is producing strongly, not continuously and not repeatedly for 15 or 30 or the next 60 or 120 hands as a pre-set strategy to capitalize 'bet select' on an upcoming pattern/trend I predict will be coming out. You twisted and took my words and had fun with them, all good!

Like Gizmo referred to, each and every time I am playing and see the 'illusion' of a pattern/trend or whatever it is, I will rename it and warn each and every player there to steer clear of the illusion in front of us!!!!

At this point I believe I am right, you rarely or never have played in a live real casino. 

So, I will take my extreme ignorance and move on from this point.   

[Gizmotron]

"Gamblers are more impulsive and 'see patterns' where there are none." https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150429100937.htm

Very interesting experiment. Flawed research, passed off as Psychological research, does not impress me much. True psychological experiments involve much larger control groups than this to be considered valid. This BS would never pass a peer review for any credible journal. This: "In a laboratory setting, the researchers compared the betting habits of 91 habitual gamblers against 70 community members," This exhibition of proof is suspect because the researches have already decided that certain characteristics that confirm their conclusions already exists in 91 people tested. This is flawed research using confirmation bias. Perhaps the article should be about Pathological Research Psychologists that see patterns in gamblers.


I'm sure they justified their findings enough to keep getting government grants. Funny how money taints things. This is junk science. They didn't even bother to allow for chemical reactions obstructing reason. The world of headshrinkers is still not a settled science. Not by a long shot.


BTW, you are calling us habitual gamblers, Pathological Gamblers in your association with their conclusions. Here's one for you to chew on for the rest of your gambling life. A perfect pattern that reoccurs for up to 30 spins in a row is an Elegant Pattern. Keep your blinders on for that mirage.

[alrelax]

Was not going to answer but since Gizmo got re-involved and shedding some light on the worthless articles written, etc.

I don't want other readers not familiar with this board or those counting on 'word typed', etc., please understand what Gizmo wrote.  Many writers of articles in trade journals and other publications are funded by 'grant' money from somewhere and they justify their haphazard research with small numbers and some poorly researched and written article.  Sure 100 people surveyed at random and some conclusive decision is reached for whatever subject/topic.  LOL.

Also, please look at the source, even on here--this board, as to their background and where their info/data comes from.  A third world country, the internet at random and their evaluation of it?  That is what I am trying to get across, open your eyes when you read something.

I was in the truck repair garage business for some time.  Pick up some trade magazine and some farming community technical/community college shop class instructor writes some article and gathers all his info from his own community, students and the local trucks coming into the shop class for repair.  All fine and good.  But does that article and his local research apply to the trucks running up in the artic or across the nation's highway's under a complete different set of maintenance and driving conditions, etc.?  Get my point.

[Gizmotron]

Validation & peer review. That takes real research methods that are accepted. For me to be impressed they would need to exclude newbies and slot players. It takes at least 1,000 in the control group to be considered as a very small sample. And the Adrenalin and Endorphin levels would need to be part of the research too. Now that being said, it would be great to isolate real problem gamblers and see what it is that they really think.

[Albalaha]

Seriously................I have played this game for the better part of 35 years plus. 

At this point I believe I am right, you rarely or never have played in a live real casino. 

Buddy, I have taught people of your age and experience from all the continents of the world. I have played a lot in real and live casinos but can not play daily there as they are far from me and I have my profession to carry as well. I play in real casinos in long stretched trips and published many of the trip reports since last 8 years on Victor's and many other forums. Now I feel that instead of wasting my time in travelling, I can play online with my pace and comfort. I believe a fair RNG is as good as a real wheel(I primarily play roulette and seldom baccarat be it real casino or online) as a roulette wheel and ball do serve as mechanical RNG. If someone says online gambling is not real it is comparable to say that an e-mail/sms is not a real mail and I will handwrite a mail, buy tickets for that and put that in a post box and wait for that to be delivered safely and read.
                           What people are missing here badly is to understand the reality of a random game. Poor understanding of how randomness works and how house advantage slowly kills us, there is no room for becoming an informed player. A player can neither control the random good and bad times, nor can reduce the house edge. It could still be possible to win a net profit with correct money management approach.. Sadly people know of the Archaic MMs only and they are meant to plunder players even faster. Those ill made progressions/MMs are pretty silly as they are meant for short sessions where one can get very hostile sessions too and that will put things upside down for any progression player and cause irreparable losses.
             Seeing trends and patterns in a purely random game is pathetic and willingly or unwillingly their advocates are manufacturing a new set of problem gamblers. See: https://www.problemgambling.ca/EN/ResourcesForProfessionals/Pages/WhyWeSeePatternsinSequencesofRandomEvents.aspx

[Gizmotron]

Nice try. These bone headed headshrinkers are as pathetic as they can be, all be it total ignorance. They project their logic as a cause of problem gambling.


You don't EVER have to believe anything is due in order to use trends and patterns. There are times when following obvious trends produces absolutely dismal results and there are times when the same obvious trends produce incredible results. I know how to tell if following the trends is working for me or not. A room full of psychobabble speaking psychiatrists can be taught the difference between winning most of their bets and losing most of their bets. This is a needed requirement of their observation skills. They don't need to be put on a couch to get past this.


Now the real test. Can you tell when you are in a losing streak or a winning streak? It does not matter how you arrive at your bet selection. Can you tell if you are having an easy winning session or a difficult losing session? I don't see expectations having anything to do with real results. Expectations of any kind are "gamblers Fallacy" and they only serve the academic community as an excuse to validate subjective arguments that impress the uninformed. You are such a person that is effected by their arguments.


It will be fun to watch you miss the point. It will be a real education for everyone here for you to have this go right over your head.


Choke on this one. There are times when I'm playing that all my guesses line up perfect and I get 20 to 30 wins in a row without a loss. Now the chances of winning the next bet still remain at only 61% on any spin, no fallacy here, yet I manage to see it for what it is and hammer the casino for seeing it. I don't care if you think it is stupid. I think you can't hear me. Perhaps someday you will see the difference. I know people can't see things all their lives. They dig in and fight back every time they are disagreed with irregardless of the truth.


The results of real live play are not an illusion based belief. They occur and should be observed. Using a trend to create a stream of results data is in fact a real existing method. Confirmation of situational awareness is the only thing that matters.


Can you see the difference?

[Albalaha]

Nice try. These bone headed headshrinkers are as pathetic as they can be, all be it total ignorance. They project their logic as a cause of problem gambling.

Wow! Calling a purely scientific and mathematical observation pathetic shows ignorance is lying somewhere else. Relying upon Predictions, forecast, Trends, patterns in a purely random game or a wishful thinking that one can "pick" better bets and win flat by any methodology is pretty childish.
Thankfully we are not here talking of intutions, precognitions, numerology or occult to help us win. Seeing tends and predicting in an interrelated events and in a totally random game where every bet is totally independent are poles apart.

May God help you.

[Nathan Detroit5]

Short term players do NOT worry about this animal. They know better.

[alrelax]

Serious money is won in short term.  Doesn't matter the shoe's stats, evening out, catching up, finishing ahead, etc., etc., and so on. 

There is a new bred of player, more so than the past years, now those are still short-term, however they sit there and pretend to play for the 'non strike' short-term. 

Short-term is unique to each of us for the 'how many' definition, but FYI, I classify it as a small section here and there within the shoe, 1 or 2 shoes max for the session. 

Also, what I have noticed the past several years, say in the past 5 to 8 years---is the younger players (defiantly under 40 years old) with a couple-few years experience, they suddenly became self-proclaimed experts with all their long-term statics, etc., etc.  A fact in the places I frequent anyways.

[alrelax]

Buddy, I have taught people of your age and experience from all the continents of the world. I have played a lot in real and live casinos but can not play daily there as they are far from me and I have my profession to carry as well. I play in real casinos in long stretched trips and published many of the trip reports since last 8 years on Victor's and many other forums. Now I feel that instead of wasting my time in travelling, I can play online with my pace and comfort. I believe a fair RNG is as good as a real wheel(I primarily play roulette and seldom baccarat be it real casino or online) as a roulette wheel and ball do serve as mechanical RNG. If someone says online gambling is not real it is comparable to say that an e-mail/sms is not a real mail and I will handwrite a mail, buy tickets for that and put that in a post box and wait for that to be delivered safely and read.
                           What people are missing here badly is to understand the reality of a random game. Poor understanding of how randomness works and how house advantage slowly kills us, there is no room for becoming an informed player. A player can neither control the random good and bad times, nor can reduce the house edge. It could still be possible to win a net profit with correct money management approach.. Sadly people know of the Archaic MMs only and they are meant to plunder players even faster. Those ill made progressions/MMs are pretty silly as they are meant for short sessions where one can get very hostile sessions too and that will put things upside down for any progression player and cause irreparable losses.
             Seeing trends and patterns in a purely random game is pathetic and willingly or unwillingly their advocates are manufacturing a new set of problem gamblers. See: https://www.problemgambling.ca/EN/ResourcesForProfessionals/Pages/WhyWeSeePatternsinSequencesofRandomEvents.aspx

You cite basically elementary research and believes by academic 'professionals' working for some kind of free-grant money in most all cases.  You 'discovery' has nothing to do with a baccarat shoe in a live casino.  IMO, you are confusing people for your own agenda. 

If you want to believe your 'great research find' so be it.  However, baccarat is not a game of great difficulty if one is comfortable with it and has the vision to play along with the shoe.  It is tons easier than black jack and other games where a gambler must beat the house.