What is the function of a roulette forum? It is a place where like minded roulette players gather to talk about the common knowledge of roulette. The reality of this kind of forum does not work because, when it comes to proprietary knowledge, most are not willing to share. Why is that? Take the elements that form a small town community, grocer, hardware store, ice cream shop, restaurant, gas station, barber, baker, to name a few, each contribute to the function of the community.
A roulette community does not function that way. Instead, if a roulette player has a strategy that works really well, they are "expected" to share freely, or else they are chastised and called all kinds of names, liars, scammers, etc.
In a town community, people pay for goods and services in order to function in life. Why should the baker share a secret recipe passed down from generations? Should the grocer give free goods to the entire community? Here lies the problem with roulette forum members, they want something for nothing.
Most forums have a policy where a player is able to solicit their goods and services, "Systems, Product, and Services for sale." The merchants are quickly scrutinized, and in most cases, endure bullying and abuse from the roulette community. Other places forbid the solicitation of goods and services regarding roulette altogether.
Word of mouth by a community shows the essence of communication. It has been my experience that when I decide to pay a premium price for a cherry turnover baked pie, it's because I heard about it through word of mouth, to see what the rave is all about; that is what a community is about, acknowledging the worth of our baker.
There is no point in having a roulette forum where only common knowledge is shared and goods and services are not welcomed. A close society is a dead society.
You are correct to a certain point. Yes.
However, there are various kinds of forums on today's internet.
1) A for pay only entrance type of site, meaning a closed and private site that 'is what it is' in the realism of those words. BTC would be an example of that;
2) Then there are the very large free for all with 30 to 50 active rooms/departments going on in all directions, such as: VMB and WOV as well as numerous other ones of smaller membership. Bear in mind, most all the content is consumerish (IMO and reality) of course others might and will challenge that last statement I am sure;
3) Then there are a few small specialized ones, such as our here, BetSelection. The theory was no advertising, members police themselves, more technical and BLOGS from its members and a few other casino related rooms/areas.
For sake of space and clarity, I will limited by outline to those 3 areas above. Myself, I have been around casinos and gambling for 35 years or so and have countless family members employed within the casino industry in Atlantic City, Las Vegas and the Midwest Region of the USA.
I don't know everything about gaming, but I will boast and I will state I know a heck of a lot, let's just say more than many and not as much as everyone. I found a home here on BetSelection and have left a couple of times, caused problems to defend my point/feelings, etc. I was on VMB and WOV for a few years a while back, but nothing except drama, consumerish stuff and lots of sheer ego and chest pumping with whom is best liked or most hated, IMO and in 90%-98% reality.
As far as the small town relation you outlined, I live in the Midwest at the moment and in an extremely small town and I have spent decades in New York City/Metro New Jersey before. Both have pros and cons as far as sharing, advantages and different societal communities. Some find New York City friendlier and more quaint then a rural Midwest town of say 1,000 people with all those little business in its downtown section. Some would say just the opposite as well. IMO, there is no winner, it is just preference.
As far as the board here, IMO once again, I believe we have a great board with the premises, smaller is better without all the gibberish and drama and worthless advertising. We had lots more traffic but it was among about 5 or 6 people with an exclusive circle of about 10 or so members that attempted to rule, over take and control the board with one-liners, strong handed acceptance tactics, double talk and if it is not my way I will tell everyone to leave, etc., type of postings. If you want those people, to the best of my knowledge they are all over at a forum called Gamblersforum, the small group was banned from here but recently almost all of them were allowed back, some post and some do not.
I believe I attempted to really accomplish what you might have in mind regarding roulette play at B&M casinos, but for the game of baccarat.
Myself, I truly do welcome all types form all walks of life. But I subscribe to that Barnes and Noble Bookstore mentality for the shopper. Which is, browse, read and enjoy. But, if you don't like something, set it down, move on and as you would in Barnes and Noble, no need to write, post and bother that author relentlessly and make your point over his, as no one made you pick up and read his book, waste your time and waste your money. Same here. Just other places that last scenario is what they really live each day to do, enter the ring, chastise, humiliate, call names and attempt to keep the circle of friends tight and the outsiders wishing to get in.
However, if you do have a great cherry pie and are looking to share it, maybe you would like to get some of a super fantastic peach pie or a KimChi-Bulgogi knock your socks off pizza or perhaps a mouth watering special PHO soup with some killer meatball stuffed fresh spring rolls???
You missed the point. It's about a public roulette forum and why I believe most the content cannot be discussed openly because of the nature of propriety and secrets. A private roulette forum, on the other hand, functions normally because everyone share the same knowledge and offer information because they paid their dues.
So in this case, the public roulette forum, it is open to a wide spectrum of good and bad information, good and bad people, defensive and insecure points of view.
You are correct again in many points. You should join and continue at BTC or the likes of that forum. You are above the level of all here and you will not share, yes I understand.
I have shared many ideas throughout the years. Some are posted here, like the corners idea. I have brought innovative roulette thinking regarding the Global Pie and the Matrix. I have established a school with members from all over the world, exchanging ideas, and using the casinos as their personal ATM whenever they need money.
Am I above everyone here, I doubt that. But you are right, I feel like I don't belong here.
You belong where you truly want to be and share, discuss, post, engage and talk with those that you enjoy doing same with.
This is a base, use it the way you see fit. If you are really what you believe you are about, people like you will make or break this place into better or worse.
Positive, constructive, non tormenting, nurturing and offering assistance to those that might be around and seeking same is the ultimate and best type of forum, IMO.
If you truly have something, put extra cherries and some other tastes in that pie, offer some napkins and let's go. If not, try Gamblersforum or BTC or one of the many others.
Given that we're only here temporarily (we'll all die at some point), then none of us really belong anywhere whilst we occupy meat-space.
Actually you can do something about that theory of passing away.
My 6 year old said a few months, "We are no longer celebrating your birthday any longer". I said, "Okay, why is that"? He said, "Because I figured out, that if we stop having birthdays for you than you will never pass away, and I don't want you to leave me".
So hey esoito, no more birthdays for you either, Vic too.
IMO, reason people don't share is because they can't. They don't have a definable method. Whatever they do is subjective even if, like me, they have a base structure to start.
I'm not buying that there are definable winning methods that are held secret. Humans can't keep secrets! LOL These methods would be spread around in a fairly short period of time.
"If you truly have something, put extra cherries and some other tastes in that pie, offer some napkins and let's go."
I will tell you, Oklahoma has the best cherry pie turnover in the United States, word of mouth.
"Here lies the problem with roulette forum members, they want something for nothing."
Jimske, let's say you are correct. People can't share because they don't have a definable method. So what's the point in having a public roulette forum.
Sorry, no free lunches from me. I tried that 10 years ago.
In my point of view:
Do people have the right to share something which is their mental property? Yes.
Do they have the right to sell it if they wish? Yes.
Do they have the right to set the price? Yes.
Does selling equate with quality of a product/service? Not necessarily.
Does the price alone indicates quality? Not necessarily.
Does someone should be given the option to buy? Yes.
Does someone has to pay a certain fee, or to buy at all? Of course not.
I believe that the ONLY foul is on EXAGGERATION and MISLEADING CLAIMS, sellers know that in order to attract potential customers they have to make a difference from their competition, they have to give a good reason to buy from them, that's why they tend to excessive claims which in turn deceive.
There are a ton of mid to low quality products being sold every day around the world, have anyone charged them with penalties? No.
Therefore the unethical and illegal part of a fraud is in the promise, directly given or indirectly implied the result remains the same.
I perfectly understand when someone doesn't want to share, for whatever reason, whatever he/she possesses, BUT when we are talking about betting methods/systems/strategies then why to sell (sell = expecting to receive money from a transaction whether it is product or service) when the "product" itself is generating profit??!
Simply it doesn't make sense!
I think what Sensei Kimo Li means, is simply,
*you want knowledge, you need to pay huge sum of money, or else*
the problem , is, how we know that his knowledge, worth the money, or rubbish?
he a seller with ^caveat emptor^...
if you lose money after paying him, that simply mean your hard skull can't take or understand his lesson.
by the way, who want to sell his money making machine?
where the logic?
if I have money making strategy, do you think I will sell it,
of course not..
if I have money making strategy, that only work most of the time,
then I will franchise them to the gullible,
if you constantly make money, then pay me, if you lose..your underwear,
err...that's your problem...
BlueANgel, you are 99% to 101% correct in everything you said.
How about, if you want to be here and participate, engage and expand and put some effort, time and thought into it all with real honest and goodness intentions, do it and make it a better/best message board forum around?
You know I did allow Mark/Gizmo to at least present his school/teaching/tutoring, etc., I did not endorse it or disallow it. I allowed it because he was a known member here for some time and I respected him as that, not as a teacher or profit maker.
I respect you, Jimske, Vic, esoito, Asymbac, Ted009, Lungyeh, Kimo, 8or9, many many others and there is a handful that I despise--as you and many know. The handful I despise are those that engage in repetitive one-liners, drama only, berating and humiliating known or unknown members and attempting to control and take charge of the website and its aura and personalty turning it into their own playground. Etc., etc.
I have lots of special and unique things and along with Vic's help and cooperation, they might come to fruition. I personally do not see a site that has a monthly membership for the sole reason to have iron gates around it and the premise, if you pay to join you will share among all of the smartest and most successful gamblers in the world, etc., etc. etc., or anything along those lines. Although, that is very attractive as a simple sales tool but will only work with the newest of the new gamblers and the same types of people that walk into a casino with limited experience, win the first night and their eyes become twice as large and the saliva is dripping down their chin from their insane luck they are experiencing with no background or knowledge as to what will soon happen.
If someone wants to hang on the corner with a group of the so called, "cool kids" like we all used to know in grade school, you know those kids with the t shirts with the rolled up sleeves, smoking cigarettes, drinking a coke, talking about all the girls they had sex with that they never really did, etc., and then they wait for the teacher's pet, that one really smart kid that puts his heart and soul into his school work and his family life to come walking down the street so they can pick on him, throw things at him and tease him..............................okay you get the picture what I am trying to say. The same things kind of happens on the internet within the message boards. Maybe a way to view BetSelection is that we are mostly the teacher's pets and really trying to excel, share, learn and extend friendship and the others are well, part of those elite little circle of friends that live for drama without meaning?
though I do not believe hg exist, I do found the Kimo Li 's principle quite universally interesting..
his principles concept is something like this..
say, you divide the wheel to halves.
eg. european wheel, with zero at top,
then after numerous spins,
track which half the ball or hits favor..
if the hit almost balanced hit...
or the ball favor the right, or left...that a bias..
either way., the casino doomed..
why? its very simple, if the wheel well balance in long run, any side will produce profit.
if the wheel bias, that side produce profit..
then you could also divide the wheel into three equal pie...
and see if it well balanced, or favor one or two particular pie in long run, and act accordingly..
then, there six pies..or even more..
see which pies favored, or well balanced.
if it well balanced, the casino doomed,
if it favor certain parts, the casino also doomed.
(my english suck...thousand apology. ..hehe..)
then , there single number pies, europe wheel has 37 pies,
make a matrix of 37.
since average only 24numbers hit,
you will see a certain numbers never fail to hit in every round of 37spins...
you may choose to risked, to bet a single , two, or three or four numbers that seem to appeared every 37spins...
Thank you Al for your kind words, make me feel welcome! :)
The way I consider the situation is the following:
Even if you would share a long term winning method for free, do you think that all gamblers worldwide would read your topic? No.
Do you think that from those who would read it all of them would use it, let alone to the letter? No.
Do you think that casinos would close, stop roulette game, or even change its rules, which have never changed since 1 and a half century ago? No.
Therefore my conclusion is that when I listen to excuses such as killing the goose with the golden eggs or casinos changing or even terminating roulette game is a far cry to say the least.
Banning is not really a problem because there are so many casinos around the world which makes almost impossible to find on every one of them its door closed.
Furthermore have you heard the 12 labors of Hercules? 1 of them was about the mythical monster of Hydra, when Hercules was cutting 1 head, 2 were popping out to replace the one fallen...thus if casino(s) bans 1 individual how about if that individual creates a team and from each and every team mate would receive a cut of say 20% up to 35% of net profits, wouldn't that be much worse for the casinos?
How about keeping a low profile by rotating between various casinos and maintaining profit on moderate levels?
People tend to overestimate what they have, a golden idea could produce millions literally, but without making proper planning and organization, without necessary capital, without execution of every single step of the plan to the letter, with discipline, moderation and patience, on the top of everything else a lack of any other problems which would be an obstacle for realizing the plan, the golden idea would worth nothing simply because it could not be materialized.
So please do not insult our intelligence by speaking about "gooses with golden eggs"!
What would be the "logical" reason for selling a method that makes a lot of money? It would be foolish for me to give it away for free.
People contact me asking about my method. I turn down 99 percent of all inquires because they cannot pass the vetting process.
The dilemma I faced was, do I take this idea to the grave or do I help people who I believe deserve to benefit from this information?
When the day comes and I meet my maker, I will find comfort knowing that some of the information I shared will not die with me. I will also find peace, knowing that the information that I do take with me will never fall into the hands of undeserving, greedy, evil people.
There is a goose that lays the golden egg. It is not intelligence that I insult. It is ignorance that deplores me. It's like saying man will never land on the moon. There will never be a black American president. Roulette can never be beaten.
The function of a roulette forum is to bring to together like minded people together and bash their ideas. Is that it? Look in the mirror and say to yourself, "I don't have a method that works." So now the mission is to seek those who claim to have the golden goose and discredit them by all means.
Such is the function of a roulette forum.
I don't see anyone saying, "You have the Golden Goose? How do I get one?" Fear of the unknown make cowards of the undecided.
It is not just gambling/casino, IMO. It is many things in life, many, countless.
I have posted pictures and a few stories about my business I am currently in, the hazardous material clean up emergency response business that is. You know, i read your post(s), I think back and I compare, and compare, and compare, and compare.
I deal with state police officers, county sheriff's, sometimes city police officers, private business owners of properties where a truck spilled something at, etc., etc. The higher the person's apparent intelligence, education, standing, etc., and all that--generally the more of a challenge I have when I first roll up on the scene.
Now, the state, the department of transportation, the fire departments, etc., do not clean up hazardous, toxic or spilled property from trucks and trains, they might mitigate a bit or more often than not, just stand by and offer defense and protection in case of fire and/or disaster. Okay with that said, like I said, more often than not, the higher the education and intelligence level of a person at the site, the tougher my job becomes.
I simply love it when it goes the way it is supposed to go, "Okay Glen is here, you need anything Glen?, if not you got the scene and I am out of here, thanks bye". It always comes to that anyway, seriously, but it is the drama and the chest pumps and the crotch grabbing that is so damn ugly and so common, more and more so these days than ever before.
Can you relate all that to the casino and to the new versus the experienced players? As well, to the forum members???? I certainly can!
Kimo Li I read the first post of this topic and want to make some comments.
I don't feel there is anything wrong with selling and think such section should be allowed at all gambling forums.
Roulette-forum dot cc has one.
Problem with selling is that you only have the creators word and promise that there is a working method.
It is very rare that you find some members backing up such creator in public.
For example, Hi, I buy Doctor Tom's Baccarat system and it works.
In reality, you see someone that wants to trade Doctor Tom's losing system for something else or just posting a free copy of the strategy for everyone to see.
That method goes for 700$
I spent over 10 years on gambling forums and I have never seen anyone say, Hi my name is X and I buy this system and win more then I lose.
And no one has shared such a thing in private, the word should go around if there was such a method.
But I have seen free topics from different creators where they have become several pages long with several thousands of views.
Where members report success and among them.
With decent knowledge, you can win using that particular method.
Here are two examples.
I once read an old test from a roulette competition and the winner was Izak Dozen System.
And in second place another method.
I email the person who was involved in this test and the systems were given to me for free.
At forum Roulette-Forum dot com you have a person who won 30K using his method.
That is everything else than pure luck and other members report success using the method.
Is free and anyone can copy and paste the information and simulate and practice before real play with real money.
I know this is rare, but anyone who is prepared to do their homework can find great things on gambling forums.
First, you look for a post with several thousands of views and then you look and confirm that the topic has several replies that indicate long discussion.
Those topics include tweaks and the original and improvements that can make a complex roulette mind happy.
It takes time to find such topics, some are pure garbage and some are a goldmine, my opinion.
Cheers
Sputnik,
Well said.
Dr. Mabuse
Tsi Nan Fu
There is no question; there is a gold mine of information posted on roulette forums. It's up to each reader to extract the information and apply it accordingly. However, the current state of roulette forums, in my opinion, does not function as a collaborative community, rather a place to scrutinize claims, and demand the creator to prove it publicly. Why? If the creator was stupid enough to show what they know, the public would say, "That's great, you were right, thanks," Sucker...
Why is it rare for members to back up their creator publicly? Once they publicly post their testimonials, they become vulnerable to private message stalking or even verbal abuse. No one wants that.
There is a solution. I could post what some students say after learning about the "goose." But even that can be scrutinized. I will post a few anyway to hear people's reaction.
CD
"Trust your fine, everything is going as expected, winning day after day, started slowly but now I have changed the gears. You are the BEST and I will be great full [sic] for your teachings for the rest of my life. THANKS."
AE
"I was in Macao yesterday and have a chance to test what I learn from you in a real wheel, and the ... gave me good result USD 500 in less than 30 minutes, I remember you saying when we don't have much data just play ...or ..., so I open my computer write down the number and went to a casino, and the result gave the big smile on my face, amazing."
AA
"How are you doing? I hope all is well. Every day I keep thinking what you shared with me. The couple of weeks I have been training intensively. I see ... works very well for me. I can track the numbers better this way. Started to play live and so far I closed the sessions with success. Your tracking methods and the spreadsheets are incredible, so sophisticated ... You planted a seed that hopefully will grow into a nice tree someday.
Thanks again my friend for sharing your knowledge and teachings. May God grant you as many as there are leaves from all the trees you have planted."
PS
"Hi ..., I hope all is well with you. I would just like to thank you for the lessons and am glad to let you know that I'm doing pretty great with what I've learned from our sessions. From the 100 dollar/day profit I used to make I am now earning 300 dollars/visit playing roulette having the same bankroll from even before I started taking lessons. Sorry for the late email as we had to deal with a medical emergency in the family when our sessions concluded. I was not able to message you right away.
I now play with more confidence and use less spins for triggers. Now I only wait for 3 spins before placing down my bets. I've tweaked a bit of our concepts if you don't mind and to this day I still couldn't believe I have been profiting greatly for the past 2 months of playing. There are days it take me only 5 spins, on others it's 20 spins but all in all everything seems to be coming together. Sorry for the long email, I just realized I never had the opportunity to thank you properly."
I said this before, but still want to say this again..
but with all due rspect....
"Kimo Li is a very good marketing strategist, a very good marketeer, good marketing script writer, a very good advertiser...."
His principle of roulette wheel. betting is good.but not hg, only high probability that also lose to HE.
...............
caveat emptor.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on November 08, 2018, 12:16:53 PM
I said this before, but still want to say this again..
but with all due rspect....
"Kimo Li is a very good marketing strategist, a very good marketeer, good marketing script writer, a very good advertiser...."
His principle of roulette wheel. betting is good.but not hg, only high probability that also lose to HE.
...............
caveat emptor.
Your response, with all due respect, is exactly what one would say when one does not possess a strategy that makes money consistently. One of the questions that I may ask when someone is interested in learning a lesson is: "Do you believe a roulette strategy can beat the House Edge?" If your answer is no, you will not qualify for a lesson, reason being, you already have defeated mindset.
If one enters an endeavor and believes they cannot succeed, they will not succeed. I had a student that learned the lesson but had a hard time making a profit. He wrote to me and said some really hurtful words. I tried to help him but he blamed me for his misfortune. My response was of encouragement and reinforcement of what I had taught him. I pointed out the rules of engagement and said to him, "If you do not follow what I said, you will not win. I cannot control your actions, only you can do that." He was very angry. I was sadden by his experience. I had failed him. Then, I received an email, a year later.
MM
"It's ... from .... You gave me some lessons beginning about 2 years ago. About a year ago I wrote you and told you about my frustrations as I was not doing well. Well the reason I wasn't doing well is because I was not following your exact rules. Still trying to go for the big hit on my favorite numbers. In other words playing like an a$$hole as I call it.
Over the last few months I refocused and just concentrated solely on ... Tracking ... I usually focus on .... I have been doing amazingly well. Just focus and probably the hardest thing of them all. Just be disciplined. I have been buying in for 200 and playing dollars. I will bet 2 dollars on each of the numbers. I know you usually encourage negative progression. I admit this is the one part I have trouble pulling the trigger on sometimes. I sometimes do a positive progression like if you are in a big run just adding one chip. I know this is one of the big disputes in strategy. Should you flat bet? Negative or positive progression?
What I am stunned by is no matter what even through rough stretches I almost have chips in front of me. It can survive those stretches. Then eventually you usually hit a big run. I never lose the 200 buy in. I end up in positive I would say 8/10 times. The other two I may lose 100 and just not feeling it. I but in at another table. Yesterday I won 800 in 3 hours. The thing that has stuck with me is you said you don't need a computer. You have one. Your brain. I have been studying more then I can explain. I now can look at the last 4-8 spins and know exactly what to bet. If I do t get a hit change to another .... I think this is one of the most difficult things to do. Especially when the ... you have just lost on hits on the first spin!! But I have told myself just to ride the ship. Eventually it will break. A streak will come.
I just wanted to say I am sorry about going off last year. I am really getting it. I believe I have become a very good player but at the same time just scratching the surface."
In my book, I state, "Fact or Fiction," you decide.
He might be a great advertiser,or marketing whatever but what the guy shared all those years on different forums plus his book I have benefited greatly from them. No ,im not a millionaire but im not a loser either. :no:
heloooo mr Kimo Li, and seykid..
to put it bluntly,
any seller and his sidekicks,
just seller and sidekicks,
why?...
the money stop trickling in, or the sheet sales chart turns SE?
This obviously a sales pitch, for the gullible.
Mr Li, or respectfully Sensei Li,
you need money?
then go to casino, and win some chips, or a single chip,
(for a chip may have $5, $50, $500 or $5k, or $5million,
why bothering selling? selling hg? for $2000usd?
what a joke!
never mind, sucker born every second.
I not saying your strategy useless, but it not hg.
it may win constantly, but not always.
if you have hg, why bothering selling sheet, and systems,, in your forum.
if one can simply win any day
one could simply win a few chips, and call it a day.
PLEASE STOP!
If for some reason you/anyone does not like--enjoy--find interesting--researchable--etc., just turn the page and go on.
I know that sounds cold in a way, I know that sounds biased towards the poster in a way, I know that sounds like the easy way out in many ways. However, we are a forum, an avenue of people with thoughts and ideas and everything in-between and everything related.
Here is a short piece I wrote on this same thread in relation to reality:
"I believe I attempted to really accomplish what you might have in mind regarding roulette play at B&M casinos, but for the game of baccarat.
Myself, I truly do welcome all types from all walks of life. But I subscribe to that Barnes and Noble Bookstore mentality for the shopper. Which is, browse, read and enjoy. But, if you don't like something, set it down, move on and as you would in Barnes and Noble, no need to write, post and bother that author relentlessly and make your point over his, as no one made you pick up and read his book, waste your time and waste your money. Same here. Just other places that last scenario is what they really live each day to do, enter the ring, chastise, humiliate, call names and attempt to keep the circle of friends tight and the outsiders wishing to get in."
I do not endorse the O.P., but this is a gambling board forum. You can use it anyway you see fit, with or against the posters and all that. Please do not turn it into a wrestling ground, a boxing ring or a one-way avenue for a private agenda while trashing and chastising those you do not agree with for whatever reason.
Thanks, Glen.
Thanks for your post Glen.
For the record, lessons will not be offered to anyone associated with this forum; so now I cannot be accused of soliciting. Glen is right, the bickering stops.
Quote from: Kimo Li on November 08, 2018, 04:55:22 PM
Thanks for your post Glen.
For the record, lessons will not be offered to anyone associated with this forum; so now I cannot be accused of soliciting. Glen is right, the bickering stops.
helo alrelax,
with all due respect,
I just want to discourage gullible people paying to some people claiming education,
at best, the system just stable in long run, and at worst, you already know the answer,
you yourself claimed that your 30+ years of experience, do you condone any seller here, with mesmerising sales pitch, and have their own forum selling systems for thousands of dollar, (how i know he offered system for 2000k?)
what the seller doing here? of course , prospecting for client.
it is wrong to say , just read and get lost if you don't like the topic. where the morality, where your conscience?
people might readily paying to scammer, believing they have finaly found their golden goose.
ask yourself , where your conscience, and your morality?
you will not like what I wrote here, but face the hurtful truth, there's lots od sucker and swindle.
if you can't stand what I post here, be a coward and ban me...
Quote from: Kimo Li on November 08, 2018, 01:02:04 PM
Your response, with all due respect, is exactly what one would say when one does not possess a strategy that makes money consistently. One of the questions that I may ask when someone is interested in learning a lesson is: "Do you believe a roulette strategy can beat the House Edge?" If your answer is no, you will not qualify for a lesson, reason being, you already have defeated mindset.
If one enters an endeavor and believes they cannot succeed, they will not succeed.
Not really. I can have a "negative" mindset but if the system works and I follow it as per the rules, I will still win. In the remainder of your post you went on to describe the experience of a former student who at first failed and then succeeded, but he didn't fail because of a negative mindset, only because he continued to use his "old" methods.
I don't believe any system can beat the house edge, but it's not the BELIEF itself which causes me to lose. There are other causes (such as that the system doesn't increase the accuracy of predictions).
......"it is wrong to say , just read and get lost if you don't like the topic. where the morality, where your conscience?
people might readily paying to scammer, believing they have finaly found their golden goose.
ask yourself , where your conscience, and your morality?
you will not like what I wrote here, but face the hurtful truth, there's lots od sucker and swindle.
if you can't stand what I post here, be a coward and ban me"........"
We have been down this same road before with Mark/Gizmo. But I still stand by the few sentences I said about going into a Barnes and Noble. There will no no outright selling at this time on this forum. However, if an author does sell, teach, tutor or anything else along professional lines or semi-professional lines, that is his business.
At this time, as before and will most likely continue, we do not have back ground checks and statements that have to be signed by a poster to post topics or answer. It is still, ideas, experiences, thoughts, research, questions, statements, etc. Why not? All sides, no?
If someone is on this board and is contact and soliciting others to sell something and we get repeated, real and factual complaints as to ripping people off using BetSelection as an advertising venue, that is one thing. What someone does as a hobby, business or sideline, is another thing.
IMO and experience, people with extreme experience and knowledge of gaming and gambling will be into something outside of the message board here. It is no different than Email. If I get an email from Joe Blow at XYZ Company on Gmail and I purchase something and he ripped me off, I do not blame Gmail, I blame myself for whatever reason(s). Same here. No different.
Carry on. Thanks, Glen.
Quote from: Mike on November 08, 2018, 05:14:25 PM
Not really. I can have a "negative" mindset but if the system works and I follow it as per the rules, I will still win. In the remainder of your post you went on to describe the experience of a former student who at first failed and then succeeded, but he didn't fail because of a negative mindset, only because he continued to use his "old" methods.
I don't believe any system can beat the house edge, but it's not the BELIEF itself which causes me to lose. There are other causes (such as that the system doesn't increase the accuracy of predictions).
Hello Mike,
Thanks for pointing out the reason for his failure, using his old methods. I know the house edge can be overcome. It is the accuracy of predictions that drives my method to beat the house edge. Without it, no method can win.
an interesting thread Kimo Li...
arguements for and against..
Ultimatley its the individuals choice and belief ...that one leap of faith ..to believe in someone that can show them a way..
Unfortunatley in this day and age that belief gets hazy..everybody tries to make money off everybody..
Everybody is a scammer...everybody is out for what they can get..and for most if not all that leap of faith is suddenly a leap into oblivion.
This is now the mindset...nobody should blame the individual...but the society that has brought this way of thinking about
The above post is correct in many ways. Everyday I open my personal and business and message board emails. A total of 6 email accounts. WOW, some days unbelievable! From all over the world, the prince, the kings, the western union managers, the attorneys telling me I have 100 million dollars to be forfeited, and countless other things, almost everyday. Then all the blind solicitation, etc., etc. Years ago it used to cost either stamps, printing and stationary to do all this or labor and phone calls, expenses. Now it is all computer, type a letter and mass email. Sure there are some expenses, but not nearly what it used to entail in fixed costs and labor, etc.
SO we get conditioned, I believe is the proper word for it. And many people carry over that conditioning into all aspects of their life, work and existence. BOOM!
However, on the other hand, I do know the power and the opening up of a coach, a person that has been down the road, someone with something that they earned, sweated to obtain and took years to perfect, etc.
Can there be honest, hard working, experienced players, good or worthwhile teachers-mentors-coaches, etc., on here or other forums or websites offering their services? IMO, sure, why not. Are all of them great, successful, guaranteed to make you all kinds of money? I highly doubt it. But, when money is involved there is always a lot of jealously, over zealously and resentment by the majority of those exposed to the solicitations, no matter if that is in the way of a print ad or a sponsorship or a indirect solicitations/offer on a message board.
And therefore, I see no magical solutions to weeding out immediately who knows what and who knows how to make others money. However, if I did teach someone something and they told someone else, quite possibly that person they told it to, would say I was full of garbage and conned them, for whatever reason.
QuoteUltimatley its the individuals choice and belief ...that one leap of faith ..to believe in someone that can show them a way
In 1981, I was invited to a financial investment group seminar. I was offered a piece of investment to buy commercial land in Las Vegas. This was a private group, by invitation only. By chance, I had met a guy in a bar and we started talking. We had something in common, golf. I told him I have access to the military course, reserved for military and Department of Defense civilian employees. He said he would love to play on that course. So the next morning I scheduled tee time at the military golf course, navy / marine. I was able to secure an early spot because I worked for the military at the time.
Long story short, he invited me to this financial group meeting. He said if I had 5,000.00 disposable cash, meaning it will not hurt my pocket. I did not even flinch. I wrote a check and became an investor in commercial land. A year later, the group sold a small corner lot to a gas station. I doubled my investment. The rest of the land was sold to build a commercial retail stores and apartments behind the strip mall construction. 5,000.00 investment turned to a 50,000.00 profit.
There is something to be said about leap of faith.
Do I have experiences where leap of faith failed miserably? Divorced twice. That cost me a pretty penny. Yet, I believe if one does not take chances, one will never know.
I took a leap of faith and it panned out.
QuoteHowever, on the other hand, I do know the power and the opening up of a coach, a person that has been down the road, someone with something that they earned, sweated to obtain and took years to perfect, etc.
Can there be honest, hard working, experienced players, good or worthwhile teachers-mentors-coaches, etc., on here or other forums or websites offering their services? IMO, sure, why not. Are all of them great, successful, guaranteed to make you all kinds of money? I highly doubt it. But, when money is involved there is always a lot of jealously, over zealously and resentment by the majority of those exposed to the solicitations, no matter if that is in the way of a print ad or a sponsorship or a indirect solicitations/offer on a message board.
And therefore, I see no magical solutions to weeding out immediately who knows what and who knows how to make others money. However, if I did teach someone something and they told someone else, quite possibly that person they told it to, would say I was full of garbage and conned them, for whatever reason.
I learned at an early age the value of learning from someone who I believe to be a mentor. My dad died when I was six years old. So I became very keen in spotting the experts who can guide me in my life, men who knew how to fish, work on cars, fight, etc. In my young adult life, I hired a golf pro to improve my golf game, best decision ever.
Finding a mentor is one thing; becoming one, leads to a different path. I understood that in order to be successful, I had to slay my own dragons, pave my own way, and create my own journey. I chose to become a professional gambler. My mother said to me, "If you are going to be a criminal, be the best." What? Her wisdom resonated. So, I am a professional roulette player.
I admire persons like you, however, if I was you I wouldn't bother with mentoring, the worst aspect of it is to have to deal with negative mentalities...I believe that we cannot, we should not and after all, why to want changing different mindsets in order to adapt to what we know as valid. (?)
People have the right to be wrong, otherwise we would not have all those failures, bad experiences, bad examples...and the list goes on.
People might build huge machinery, constructions, but they are unable to change their inner world, that's the hardest obstacle.
You must be 1 of the persons who created the "parity hedge" system for Craps back on the 80's, that story has been recycled as an urban legend but now I can see where it's its origin...!
The positive aspect of mentoring is giving someone the opportunity to gain experience without having to go through the pitfalls of pursuing the unknown.
Contention only exists when an individual tries to control how a person should behave based on their own worldview or mindset. Therefore, we can eliminate conflicts by understanding that the only thing one can control is their own actions.
As Glen points out:
QuoteBut I subscribe to that Barnes and Noble Bookstore mentality for the shopper. Which is, browse, read and enjoy. But, if you don't like something, set it down, move on and as you would in Barnes and Noble, no need to write, post and bother that author relentlessly and make your point over his, as no one made you pick up and read his book, waste your time and waste your money.
As Kimo just said: "The positive aspect of mentoring is giving someone the opportunity to gain experience without having to go through the pitfalls of pursuing the unknown.
Contention only exists when an individual tries to control how a person should behave based on their own worldview or mindset. Therefore, we can eliminate conflicts by understanding that the only thing one can control is their own actions."
This is why almost all people that look to learn and try to depend on another will not, at least until they get some kind of extensive experience and walk down and live that school of hard knocks, lost sums of money and years of experience:
If they listen, if they trust, if they want to learn, but almost all will not. Gambling is a bit different than other industries and pursuits, especially when there is cold, hard cash up in front of yourself. The brain and emotions work in a much different way than almost all other work for reward type things, investments and profit turn around situation.
Why? Because of our perceived intelligence, beliefs that I am smart and can figure it all out, distrust of all others and simple-plain ego, etc. That is the reason spelled out, IMO.
I am more interested in stories and anecdotes of players' experiences while playing live on roulette tables than the actual strategy itself.
I remember a time when I used sections as a strategy to make money. I notice a section on the American 00 wheel, 28 9 26 30 11 7 was hitting a lot and determined that I had discovered the dealer's signature. I was playing .25 cents bets, minimum 1.00. My bank was 20.00. I was in a dire straight situation. My friend was watching my new born child in the van while I was trying to make some money for diapers, formula, and other essentials. Long story short, I made a 100.00, saved the day.
I totally agree with you Kimo, the strategy/method/system analysis is the essence, has practical value.
If someone wants to share about what he ate, what he bought and a bunch of other irrelevant details with individuals who doesn't know personally then why not to write a book about all these, about the story of his life and sell it to find out how many would care to buy such thing?
Understanding the essence behind any story offers a glimpse of the gambler's mind.
Your response depicts your perspective towards gambling; perhaps only searching for answers that are relevant to your cause, whatever that may be, discounting things that are perceived as nonsense, that my fellow gambler, would make an interesting character in a book about gamblers.
There are many characters assembled on this stage we call a roulette forum, such as our benevolent leader, our testing gurus, resident experts, etc.
We are a book of characters, caught in a journey of life, trying to find the pot of gold using roulette as a means toward the goal. A few may have reached that goal while others ponder the notion if it does exist.
In the end, it does not matter. Every chapter in life must come to an end.
I believe one of the primary functions of a roulette forum is to inform roulette players about the dangers of playing roulette, especially to those who lack experience.
For instance, the dreadful draw down, an inevitable occurrence, it may strike at the beginning, the middle, or the end of a session. How a roulette player deals that kind of adversity separates the professional from the amateur.
The consistent actions taken by a roulette player to offset the unavoidable drawn down is the hallmark of a professional roulette player.
Quote from: Kimo Li on November 13, 2018, 02:23:50 PM
Understanding the essence behind any story offers a glimpse of the gambler's mind.
Your response depicts your perspective towards gambling; perhaps only searching for answers that are relevant to your cause, whatever that may be, discounting things that are perceived as nonsense, that my fellow gambler, would make an interesting character in a book about gamblers.
There are many characters assembled on this stage we call a roulette forum, such as our benevolent leader, our testing gurus, resident experts, etc.
We are a book of characters, caught in a journey of life, trying to find the pot of gold using roulette as a means toward the goal. A few may have reached that goal while others ponder the notion if it does exist.
In the end, it does not matter. Every chapter in life must come to an end.
Nice!
Quote from: Kimo Li on November 15, 2018, 05:40:46 PM
I believe one of the primary functions of a roulette forum is to inform roulette players about the dangers of playing roulette, especially to those who lack experience.
For instance, the dreadful draw down, an inevitable occurrence, it may strike at the beginning, the middle, or the end of a session. How a roulette player deals that kind of adversity separates the professional from the amateur.
The consistent actions taken by a roulette player to offset the unavoidable drawn down is the hallmark of a professional roulette player.
And you are IMO, 110% correct. I tried to do exactly what you said w/Baccarat on this board.
I believe a reputable roulette forum should have an established school that teaches various skills like how to calculate roulette odds, probabilities, money management, etc., which this forum does have.
It's a shame; however, this forum does not offer a universal language that roulette players can share and communicate ideas clearly to each other.
Thirteen years ago, I introduced concepts that I believe most players would be able to use to communicate their ideas. By labeling and mapping the numbers on the wheel head, players can easily identify where the ball is landing, something as simple as which half of the wheel the ball is favoring, like the "odd" side of the wheel. What?
This idea of having a universal roulette lingo has been met with great resistance. But, I believe developing, introducing, or adopting a universal roulette language should be one of the functions of a roulette forum.