Quad cycle
This has worked well for me in testing, and I currently have turned a free £5-00 no rules bonus on 21Nova into £26 @10p stakes....Comments are most welcome. It doesn't feel complete yet.
Bet selection is in the form of 3 streets to make a quad of the table
4 groups: 1,2,3,4 (1-9 10-18 19-27 28-36)
Playing the groups as 3 Streets 1) 1,2,3 2) 4,5,6 3) 7,8,9 4) 10,11,12
Zero is ignored or treated as a non hit.
Track until all groups have hit at least once.
We track like this: *=last to hit so all have hit
1-9 111
10-18 11
19-27 1111
28-36 1*
We track until all groups are hit, and when the last group hits (28-36 in this case) we have a choice:
We would like to bet the hottest on hitting of all the 4 groups if we have 8 or 9 or less hits
If we have a qualification of 14, 15 or so, we may of passed the trend, and will use the re-appearing sleeper.
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Ex.1)
1-9 1
10-18 11
19-27 1*
28-36 1
Ex.1 This is perfect. A trend in 5 spins. We defiantly bet 10-18 .
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Ex.2)
1-9 111
10-18 11111
19-27 1111111
28-36 1*
Ex.2) 16 hits to trigger is past any trend. I have been playing the newly hit group (*) as a returning sleeper
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Ex.3)
1-9 11
10-18 1*
19-27 11
28-36 1
Ex.3 I don't play as there is no trend in one group over a short run .
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Ex.4)
1-9 1*
10-18 1
19-27 1
28-36 1
Retrack
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Ex.5)
1-9 11
10-18 11
19-27 1*
28-36 111
Ex.5) play group 4.
Progression....I am weak at.
I am playing 3 hit cycles
EX.6
1-9 11
10-18 1
19-27 111
28-36 1*
Playing group 3 by means of 1u street 9, 1u 8, 1u 7
1-1-1, 1-1-1, 1-1-1.
2-2-2,-2-W
If we are on a new high. Retrack and 1-1-1.
If we are down or even, stay at 2-2-2
To pass 3-3-3 with the same bet has no relevance as the trigger didn't work this time. With the high hit rate, Its best to retrack and start 4-4-4 or quit.
I've been here ten or so times in around 100 sessions.
Thanks Chris,
Ill keep to my cycle labby style (ala Flatino) for a few tests, and see if some of the longer losses cope better by stretching the losses out rather than a neg progression per se. Ill try this later if the hit rate keeps up like it is. Quicker wins with the neg prog though
that's the key I guess, to which progression to use....hitrate.
I've attached a session with explanation
Hi Turner,
Thanks for posting this. I will try it.
I have an idea for you - may not amount to much though. what U think??
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EX.6
1-9 11
10-18 1
19-27 111
28-36 1*
Could do a sort of mini-parachute type bet on the qualifier: (19-27) in this case
BET1)
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Bet 3u on the EC covering the quad (3 streets). In this case will be HIGH
IF WIN then....
a) If win but didn't hit 19-27 (number spuns was 28-36) then bank= +3 rebet Bet 1 @ 2units
b) If win but didn't hit 19-27 (number spuns was 28-36) then bank= +5 rebet Bet 1 @1u
c) If win but didn't hit 19-27 (number spuns was 28-36) then bank= +6 goto bet 1
ELSE
a) If win and number hit was 19-27 then end game at +3
b) If win and number hit was 19-27 then end game at +5
c) If win and number hit was 19-27 then end game +6
IF LOST at any time on EC and numbers still unhit - then move forward to bet 2)
BET2)
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Bet 1u on each of the 2 LINES that encompass the quad (3 streets). In this case will be Lines 4 and 5: 19-24 and 25-30.
IF WIN but didn't hit quad streets then REPEAT UNTIL LOSS
If WIN but hit the target quad streets then END GAME (min profit will be +1)
IF LOSE goto BET3)
BET3)
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You now continue play as you advised starting with 1-1-1 on the 3 qualifying streets.
A.
Turner,
Before I add my two cents on the progression, I should really praise you on this novel bet selection, which comprises of
• out of the box thinking to group sets of 3 streets
• practical application to bet wakers or sleepers
• simplicity in tracking
These are key elements of any winning BS framework.
Now have a look at the thread in http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8713.0 (http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8713.0). One of the topics that I liked the most in the sister forum. But unfortunately, instead of encouragement and ways of improving his method, Ironsteel was beaten to death and that remained his only topic in the forum. The drawbacks of his method were long tracking cycles and "persisting" progressions. It might be a good read with some suggestions floating there! I still refer him as "one method wonder". I wish he had the same support in line with the current positive atmosphere in this forum.
@Atlantis, am very happy to see increasingly there is a thought process to think outside the traditional way of negative/positive progressions.
@ Turner, if you think my suggestions on progressions are going to make this even better, I will be a very happy person. While providing suggestions for progressions, you have given me an opportunity to share a little more on what I know about progressions. Hope you don't mind me getting a bit wordy.
Every framework I play, every method I use in the table, I plan for four different types of progressions. I call them as "The Kill", "The edge", "Bread and butter", "The Cocoon". In other words, they are Super aggressive, aggressive, conservative and super conservative plays. I start with conservative method of playing and depending on whether am winning or losing get into aggressive or super conservative plays. When I have reached my target for the session and am on a winning streak, I deploy the super aggressive play. This is my style of play. But I have seen people being static and going completely aggressive or completely conservative as well. This bet selection is no different and I will try describing my suggestions on progressions for all these styles of play. The progressions cover the best of negative progressions, parachuting and attilla.
"The bread and butter"
• It starts with 2 units on the EC(High or Low). On a win, if the win came from the section that I am tracking, the game ends here. If the win came from the section other than the one am tracking, I do the EC bet again. This process repeats.
• On a loss, I bet on the dozen where the section I am tracking falls in with 2 units. If the section is across two dozen, then I bet 1 unit each on the two lines the section falls under. On a win, same as step 1. If the win came from the section we are tracking, game ends. Win coming from section we are not tracking, we go back to EC bets and continue.
• On a loss, I split the section that I am tracking into 1 street and 1 line. I try to select the street such that it covers the last number that came in that section if possible. 1u on street and 1u on line. Win ends the game.
• On a loss, I go Attila. Every loss increase 1u on street and line alternately. Your first increase will be on line and the second increase will be on the street. This process goes on until you give up
Attaching your excel amended with the bread and butter progression. The key behind any working progression is how to improve your return on investment. As you are able to see from the excel, we have improved the return on investment from a little under 60% (+54u from 92u outlay) to over 75% (+38u from 50u outlay) by following this progression for this bet selection. When I find more time, I shall post the other progression suggestions.
"The Cocoon"
The cocoon as described earlier is a super conservative play. Here the target is to slowly and steadily "grind" towards recovery. The focal point here is not return on investment. The focal point here is improving the hit ratio and preserving the bank. You start playing this only if the table is consistently playing against you and you are getting long progressions in the "bread and butter" method. I also resort to this, when I have tasted huge success and have a "feeling" that sooner or later the table is going to turn against me, or to slow things down when am so close to the target for the session.
• It starts with 3 unit on the EC(High or Low). Win ends game
• On a loss 6units on the EC(H/L). Win ends the game.
• On a loss, form 1line and 1street from the section we are tracking. Try creating the street from the last hit number where possible. 2u on line and 2u on street. Win ends the game.
• On a loss, increase the line on every loss, until the output from line equals the output from street. When the output from line equals the output from street, increase the units on street by 1. This cycle goes on until a win or you give up with a pre-defined stop loss.
Attaching the excel amended with the cocoon. As I already mentioned, the key here is the "grind". The return on your investments will not be that great, but at the same time, will not be poor. For the same number of spins, I got +21u from 39u outlay(a little over 50%). I have gone beyond 129 spins to explain the 3rd stage in progression, as I didn't get it within the first 150 spins. As you can see, the outlay was very low in this eventhough we are throwing huge bets on the ECs. Also, the return normally hovers around 40-50%. That is why this is super conservative and that is why you should use this only in select scenarios.
"The Edge"
As the name suggests, the key here is to create an edge between you and the casino on your BR, when you are doing well at the table. There is really a very thin line between the "bread and butter" strategy and "The edge" strategy. The risk that you will take in Edge will be a little higher than the "bread and butter", but we will also target a higher ROI. You can also chose Edge as your starting play instead of "bread and butter".
• It starts with 2 units on the EC(High or Low). On a win, if the win came from the section that I am tracking, the game ends here. If the win came from the section other than the one am tracking, I proceed to the next step.
• On a loss or win coming from section other than the one we are tracking, place 3u on the dozen where the tracking section is. If the section is split across 2 dozens, lets take an example of 3rd section 19-27, we place the bets as follows. 1u on 19-24, 1u on 22-27, 1u on 25-30. Essentially stay in the H/L area, but spread 3u across 3 lines covering the tracking section. On a win, if the win came from the section that you are tracking, game ends here. If the win comes from the section other than the one that you are tracking or on a loss, go to the next step.
• Form 3 playing positions comprising of a street, a split and a quad/corner bet using the 3 streets that we are tracking. Where possible, make sure that the split falls in the last number that we tracked in the section. On a win, end game.
• On every loss from here on, use atila to increase first on quad, the next losing spin on street, the next losing one on split and so on until a hit or a pre-defined stop-loss.
Attaching the excel with the Edge. You will notice that at the end of 129 spins, we are +57u on a 69u outlay (over 80% ROI). The risk is higher in this, not only because the outlay is higher, there is a potential of small negatives coming in the mini games even after its won. But the return is really good, especially when we have repeaters which hit the splits. And in comparison with the return, the risk is low.
"The Kill"
The key theme behind this approach is maximizing the BR as much as possible with a reasonable ROI, if not as high as the one "The edge" might give. Obviously, this will require a higher outlay and hence it is more appropriate to play once you have exceeded your target by a comfortable margin.
• It starts with 1u on each of the 3 streets that are getting tracked. Win ends the game.
• On a loss, form 1 street and 3 splits. See whether the split can cover the last number appeared in the section. Win ends the game
• On a loss, repeat the bet on splits, but split the street into a straight bet and a split bet. Win ends the game.
• On a loss, 1u individually on all the 9 numbers. Win ends the game.
• On a loss, repeat the bet on all the 9 numbers, but also add an additional bet from step 1 on this progression. So it will be 1u on all the individual numbers and 1u on all the streets. Win ends the game.
• On a loss, repeat 9 individual numbers and step 2. So 1u on all 9 numbers, 1u on one of the streets and 1u on each on the other splits. This goes on until a win or a defined stop loss.
Attaching the excel with the Kill. At the end of 129 spins, we are +92 with a 118u outlay. As you can see the profit is maximum from any of the other strategies, but the risk is also high. Also, the ROI stands at over 75% which is in between "bread and butter" and "the edge"
So Turner, hopefully I was of some help to you for progressions. Apologies for the lengthy posts. I have tried to be as concise as possible.
Strategies I explained here for progression can be applied for any bet selection method. The key is seeing any timewarp in a session as 4 distinct playing modes and use the progression that best suits the mini-game in progress at that point in time. A summary of those 4 modes are.
"Bread and butter" - Starting/regular playing mode. Objective is to optimize the risk and return and finding a balance between them.
"The Cocoon" - Playing mode when a slow down is required. Slow down could be because you are losing/winning/closer to target. Objective is to reduce the risk and finding consistent hit ratio.
"The Edge" - Playing mode when on a winning trend. can be used interchangeably with "Bread and butter". Objective is to improve the return on investment % with a slightly higher risk base.
"The kill" - To be used when you have exceed targets. Objective is to maximize the BR using a higher risk and an ROI atleast at the Bread and butter level.
:)
Hi Turner,
Been a few days.. Any news? How's it goin' with "quad cycle". There's been a lot to digest but with suggested tweaks especially Gramps' clever stuff this is looking a solid keeper.
A.
4 quick live games played.
All won.
3 games ended + won at pre-street/line phase.
1 game ended + won on line/street phase at 6th bet.
Played using Grampa's "bread and butter" version.
Very nice. :)
A.
Atlantis....like all good scientists....i need more testing
...however...GG has said it solid....and works best perhaps with coocoon.
Im not a giddy man...but I trust GGs thumbs up. This is encouraged me
I got to £87 from a free fiver (10 of that is some stupid wagered bonus...so 77). But...the wife wanted things doing...and i some how placed £10 for 10p...and it was RNG...which is against my religion.so ot went a bit tits up.
I've transfered to live table....and haven't lost a session yet. 50p is my 1u. it's a tad slower.
Personally...its the best bet selection i have produced....for sure
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i some how placed £10 for 10p...and it was RNG...which is against my religion.so ot went a bit tits up.
How weird! I did exact same thing last night too on live autowheel by mistake - and it also lost. (that's a lot of 10p's!!)
Hate that. Will be more careful next time! :nope:
OK. Will use "cocoon" for next shot.
A.
Atlantis....btw....all 70 was a mix of 10p and 50p....and bread and butter....but the last 30 was a slightly unrralistic "The Edge". ....i was lucky to never go past 5 steps in 20 sessions.
I meant the result was unrealistic, not the edge.
B&B or Coocoon....more like £40.
Good that you recovered :)
I also track back 4 or 5 to speed things up.
5 is the least you can have to get a trend indicator:
1
1*
1
11
I do not think any harm in that to get next qualifier because a new player entering the game with those 5 numbers would then begin to bet at that point on quad 4 (28-36).
As you stated a
1
1
1*
1
causes a new retrack.
Good Luck,
A.
Quote from: Atlantis on June 21, 2013, 07:32:25 AM
I do not think any harm in that to get next qualifier because a new player entering the game with those 5 numbers would then begin to bet at that point on quad 2.
Exactly my thinking
Cheers
Some really nice discussion on progression suitability - personally I think I would stay with B&B or Cocoon, being the coward that I am. But I look at the last sentence in GG's progressions and shudder a little bit "this goes on until a win or pre-defined loss". At least there is mention of a pre-defined loss - I think this is important.
Actually, I would like to go back and re-visit a comment made by Turner right up at the beginning - "to pass 3-3-3 with the same bet has no relevance as the trigger didn't work this time". Yes yes yes! If you don't get a hit within, oh I don't know, say 6 - 9 spins, then the strategy didn't work this time so best not to try and force a win. Take the loss, grab a cigarette, come back and start again - maybe with a slightly higher starting point. If the game win rate is as high as Turner suggests, then there is no point in escalating bets up to a stupid level in an attempt to force a win out of the game - Madam Roulette will bite you!
And the stats will support my contention that the highest chance of a hit happens on the first attempt, slightly lesser on the next, and the next, and so on. So the longer the game goes, the smaller the chance of a hit becomes. Anyway, apart from that, there is mathematical evidence to support the fact that an advantage (if there is one) disappears the longer you chase it. Therefore games should be limited to a number of attempts dependent on the strategy employed and in this case I would suggest 6 - 9.
So what would be the best progression to use on this basis? Not sure - there are more experienced people than myself here who can offer suggestions I would think. But I would suggest a two-tiered approach - tier 1 is the in-game progression, limited to a short series of 6 - 9 spins (determined by trial and error perhaps?); and tier 2 wold be a game-level progression, perhaps a multiplier is applied to the tier 1 progression after a losing game, or a "plus 1" to each bet or some such.
regards
Bryan
Quote from: sqzbox on June 21, 2013, 01:07:29 PM
And the stats will support my contention that the highest chance of a hit happens on the first attempt, slightly lesser on the next, and the next, and so on. So the longer the game goes, the smaller the chance of a hit becomes. Anyway, apart from that, there is mathematical evidence to support the fact that an advantage (if there is one) disappears the longer you chase it.
Bryan
Bryan, yep and it's called the Geometric distribution. Here's a nice little tutorial on it (hope this isn't too off-topic).
4 5 2 Geometric Distribution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0177iTV77fo#)
Tidied the posts up.....most were mine....keeping it readable and relevant
Update:
140 won sessions, betting 1u= 50p, £10 daily win goal won 7 days straight.
(This will have to produce for 1 month with 50p = 1u before i would even consider £1=1u)
21Nova casino, live dealer
Its slow and requires intense discipline. Winning is not for everyone I guess ::)
Tweaks
Qualify on 8
1-9 111
10-18 11
19-27 11
28-36 *
Is not to bet 1-9 anymore, but to bet 28-36.
Qualify on 7
1-9 111
10-18 11
19-27 1
28-36 *
is the last hot bet (in this example) 1-9
Don't track back past a zero
Stop everything on a new dealer and track from scratch.
Progression (stop on any win)
2 dozens covering the target quad 2u wins 1u
L/H covering the target quad 3u wins 1u
3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 4u
3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 1u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 7u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 1u
Stop loss 23u.
Good luck (because its probably all it is, but I seem to of got awful lucky this week)
Turner
Thanks for the update Turner, and the parachute tweaks.
This is really great news you're winning with the Quad Cycle.
High hopes for this one.
A.
Morning All.
A little birdie tells me to look out for this one, and possibly blend it with Fine Grindings of
EC coffee, with Line Whitener.
Will come back with questions if I may, if I don't understand any trigger conditions!
Cheers ;)
I've been known to stop at e/c if it don't feel right. I've also been known to play the DD again because the hit wasn't the target. One time, that DD hit enough to be in profit on a loss even though the trigger had hit. I stayed same DD which hit 8 times.....total 12.
You see little opertunities to go "off road" when tracking.
@ Turner. I have been studying this method with great appreciation of the complex bet selection. I have a couple of questions, if you can help answer these, it will be really great.
See the attached image.
You mentioned don't track back beyond zero. So once the zero appears here, should I abandon the spins I have been tracking so far and start tracking all again?
Second question is, around the first bet. It should ideally be 2 dozens covering the quad. Here there is only one dozen. Do you do one dozen with 2u or you include the 2nd dozen as well?
Quote from: Priyanka on July 02, 2013, 04:05:31 PM
@ Turner. I have been studying this method with great appreciation of the complex bet selection. I have a couple of questions, if you can help answer these, it will be really great.
See the attached image.
You mentioned don't track back beyond zero. So once the zero appears here, should I abandon the spins I have been tracking so far and start tracking all again?
No....I mean this
1
3
14
22
0
6
16<<<<say I win here, I would only take 16 and 6 as tracking numbers when looking to fill the tracking up from
so
1-9 1
10-18 1
19-27
28-36
So, if no zero
1
3
14
22
6
16 <<<< again, win here
1-9 111
10-18 11
19-27 1
28-36
Second question is, around the first bet. It should ideally be 2 dozens covering the quad. Here there is only one dozen. Do you do one dozen with 2u or you include the 2nd dozen as well?
If this is a capture from the attached files, there is no file attached playing as in the final post. I changed the parachute.
1-9 1
10-18 11
19-27 1
28-36 *
1U D2, 1U D2
#29
3U LOW
#11 <<<<wins 1U
Hi...see replies above.
The whole thing should be stopped on a dealer change. its annoying....and my loss recently was 4 into the progression when the dealer changed.
About 2 losses in 130 sessions or so.
each loss was 23U......winnings were about 150 U.....remember, some parts of the progression pay 4u and 7 u
Im going to do a Nathan Detroit now...
Play this at your own risk.
You must test on a real wheel or real wheel permz.
Its been lucky. All systems do well then don't.
i am seeing changes in opinions of Ralph, 2 Cat Sam and GLC. All old dogs in this game.
One way or another every system is doing the same thing.
Think of this......
i bet on a street because its hot. it's a six number group. Like a group of six neighbours on the wheel.
What about the last 6 unique spins? say 12,11,14,23,33,35
This is a group of 6. Its also the hottest you could ever get a 6 group. Its hit 6 times in the last 6. So why doesn't it just go ahead and hit....its as hot as F&*^.!!!!
It may do, but i bet it doesn't.
Its an illusion....hot this, cold that....but we try!
OK, I've looked at Turner's first post. If I'm understanding it right, he bets nine numbers.
Now I'm looking at the "Cocoon" and if I'm understanding that, he bets an EC which is 18 numbers.
How do you reconcile 9 vs 18?
@Turner
You said you like a bet in 8 or 9 spins. Is it 8 or 9?
Sam
Samster......
i am playing this like the last post...These were GGs progressions, but I didn't like 3U L/H then marty 6U.
What I want to do is win 1U. And if my idea is a bag of shyte....and my bet selection and tracking are too.....at least the first bet is 1:2 odds.
2 dozens covering the target quad 2u wins 1u
L/H covering the target quad 3u wins 1u
3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 4u
3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 1u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 7u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 1u
Stop loss 23u.
I have played many games since the first post...and I stopped posting due to lack of interest.
Its now 7 for a hot bet and 8 is a cold bet
1-9 111
10-18 11
19-27 1
28-36 *
Bet for 1-9
1-9 111
10-18 11
19-27 11
28-36 *
Bet for 28-36
Thing is Sam......The tracking is just an indicator
I've bet 1-9 here for obvious reasons without the cycles finishing
1-9 1111
10-18 1
19-27
28-36
And here....I didn't bother because its not clear over 2 cycles
1-9 1
10-18 1
19-27 1
28-36 *
1-9 11
10-18 1
19-27 *
28-36 1
absolute hard and fast rules will kill you.
One thing I havny pis*ed around with is the progression and stoploss. That has to be exact.
And stop on a dealer change.....always!
I do get it !.....people want to test it....and this is where JL lost respect...when you say it failed, he had some tweak he hadnt mentioned before
surely everyone here is starting to realize that a clockwork system with no intuition is going to die.
Thanks Turner for the explanations! Still practicing it. :zzz:
Turner, when quad 1 or 4 qualifies do you bet 2 dozens or just 1?
if quad 1 qualifies you bet dozen 1 and 2 or what? same for quad 4
briefly going over my previous tests it looks very good so far, I will give this a go but I need to know this first
Hi sogget
I play first dd because i wanto just win. that's it. 1:2 odds.
I play h/l to get the dd loss back...and win 1:1
1:2 followed by 1:1. In the trigger quad area.
Then on to the quad via streets.
The quads will only fit into 2dozens completly
1 =D1,2 then low
2 = D1,2 then low
3= D2,3 then high
4=D2,3 then high.
Half my wins are dd hit where the trigger dint hit
Quote from: Turner on July 03, 2013, 10:25:37 AM
Hi sogget
I play first dd because i wanto just win. that's it. 1:2 odds.
I play h/l to get the dd loss back...and win 1:1
1:2 followed by 1:1. In the trigger quad area.
Then on to the quad via streets.
The quads will only fit into 2dozens completly
1 =D1,2 then low
2 = D1,2 then low
3= D2,3 then high
4=D2,3 then high.
Half my wins are dd hit where the trigger dint hit
thanks, got it now :thumbsup:
edit, first test 100 spins - ends +13 units, so far so good
(I wasn't retracking, after win start from scratch)
Hello Turner,
I've been looking at the "quads" from a different viewpoint which may be worth exploring.
Here is a recent record of successive real results as they happened to me and noted in their respective quads: 1,2,3 and 4.
424344431124404342244414
334222133341121221442414
412424411221221244322214
412114422242224333121422
311144133422044411221214
144221244424314143414242
211............
Do you see what plainly stands out?
There are such a LOT of "repeat" quads!
So my idea is targetting repeats.
Strategy is to wait for FOUR results WITHOUT A REPEAT then start betting FOR a repeat quad to occur...
The betting strategy used can be same as "quad cycle" if you prefer ie. use street betting OR parachute "cocoon" type bets as suggested by yourself and GreatGrampa.
I would also suggest not chasing for more than 5 bets - but the repeats ARE quite commonplace and will happen.
Here we go:
4
1
2
1 four without repeat (4-1-2-1)
1 WON
1
3
1
1
1
1
1
1
4
1
3
4 four without repeat (4-1-3-4)
4 WON
Atlantis.
@A
if 15 is the largest space between repeats, less your four tracker, u still need a Nine Point progression list.
Any suggestions?
C
Sorry I did not at first see your bet limited to 5 suggestion.:thumbsup:
Thanks Atlantis....I like it...and I had noticed.
One thing that isn't clear (to me anyhow)
When we have 4 without a repeat, what are we betting on?
1 came up WIN and 4 came up WIN, but why were we betting 1 then 4 in the first place ?
i think he means to bet "blind" that after 4 tracker, non repeat numbers,
U then bet that the next number will repeat, and so on for the next 5 series numbers.
I think so! :-X
oky doky....but.....
If we play for a repeat, and it doesn't happen, we track again?
If we don't, the idea failed and we are just waiting for it to hit for no reason.
It makes more sense to track again on the second part of the progression.
perhaps atlantis can explain.
Ok...for sure, tho if U re-read his small example, he does re-track until there are 4 in a row, non repeats and then plays again.
I guess, U could as U say, take up the next level, as U will be potentially down by 5 units, on a complete 5 series loss,
(which, if U think about it, is a Cycle in itself!!) lol
I see what U mean! ::)
I shouldn't speak too soon, as I am just a rookie. But this is one method that interested me, and I was looking at means of accelerating the game, as this is tad slow. So I will share what is holding up in the testing so far for me. But wanted to hear your opinion.
It is played a little like the "for" vs "against" method. After two losses, virtual bets until a win and then commence from where it was left. Following is how it works for the numbers atlantis posted.
[reveal= Here is +150u from 80 spins]
4 - track
2 - track. Two different sectors. Play the last two sectors appeared.
4 - for. win. + 6.
3 - against. Win + 12
4 - for. win. +18
4 - against. loss. +12
4 - for win +24
3 - against. loss +18
1 - for. loss +6
1 - against. virtual loss
2 - for. virtual loss
4 - against. virtual win.
4 - for. win. +30
0 - against. loss +24
4 - for. win +36
3 - against. win +42
4 - for. win +48
2 - against. win +54
2 - for, win +60
4 - against. loss +54
4 - for. win +66
4 - against. loss +60
1 - for. loss +48
4 - against. virtual loss
3- for. virtual loss
3 - against. virtual loss
4- for. virtual win
2 - against.win +72
2- for win +78
2 0 against. loss +72
1 for. loss +60
3 - against virtual win
3 - for. win +84
3 - against. loss +78
4 - for loss +66
1 - against virtual win
1 - for. win. +90
2 - against. win +96
1 - for win +102
2 - against. loss +96
2 - for win. +108
1 - against. loss +102
4 - for. loss +90
4 - against virtual loss
2 - for virtual loss
4 - against. virtual loss
1 - for virtual loss
4 - against. virtual loss
4 - for virtual win
1 - against. loss - +66
2 - virtualloss
4 - for . virtual loss
2- against. virtual loss
4 - for. virtual win
4 - for. win 72
1- against win 78
1 - for win 84
2- against. win 90
2 - for win 96
1 - against. loss 90
2 - for. win 102
2- against. loss 96
1 - for . win 108
2 - against loss 102
4 - for loss 90
4 - against. virtual loss
3 - for. virtual loss
2 - against. virtual win
2 - win. 114
2 - against .lost +108
1 - for. loss +96
4 - aga8hst virtua win
4 - for, win - 120
1 - against. 114
2 - for. loss 102
1 - against. virtual loss
1 - for. virtual win
4 - against. 126
4 - for . 132
2 - against. 138
2 - for 144
2 - against. 138
4 - for 150
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sorry, Im not clear at all.
I don't see what you are betting on, how you are betting, or what for and against means.
You will have to explain (to me anyhow)
Sorry Turner. Was unclear in my explanation.
Basically am trying to play quads as even chances. So at any point in time, I play two quads together (6 streets).
Say for example, the last three spins are 25, 19, 2. This comprises of 2 quads. I play both these quads. Now every spin, I alternate between two quads that are appeared last to quads that didn't appear.
For example, if the spin data is like this 25, 19, 2, 2, 17, 12, 30, 3. I play like.
25
19
2 - tracking spin ends. two distinct quads.
2 - bet for one of last two quads that appeared to repeat. win
17 - bet against the last two quads that appeared to repeat. Win
12 - bet for one of last two quads that appeared to repeat. win
30 - bet against the last two quads that appeared to repeat. win
3 - bet for one of last two quads that appeared to repeat. loss
In case I get a double loss, I stay on the same bet selection for one spin. ie, stay on for if I was betting for.
I am using a simple cyclic progression which is +1 win/-1loss on cycles of 5.
I am attaching the complete play for the numbers that you have played in the first post here. Refer to sheet "Play 2". Will be keen to know your views. I have done number of tests and it seems to hold up.
Note : Play 1 sheet was a different experiment. Will explain that probably once am sure with more tests.
@Priyanka
Very ingenious idea for playing the quads. Worth a try. Hope it holds up.
@Turner
1
3
1
4 - four quad results without a repeat: trigger to bet quad 4
3 - lost: bet quad 3
1 - lost: bet quad 1
1 - won: repeat of quad 1 occurred.
But Priyanka's idea might be even better!
A.
Atlantis....thanks...
I think my way and my progression works but its far too slow. These ideas are great. Im very pleased you guys are trying to improve it.
there's a horrible possibility that slow death over hours to win 10u is the only way for CWS...and aim for 1 loss in 100 ....BUT...I don't know about you...but I have better things to do than sit for hours to win a few units.
Fine balance between a hobby becoming a boring job.
My heads in Menorca now....leave on Friday. Im gonna read Brett Mortons playing to win....and come back refreshed
Thanks to you and Priyanka for taking interest in this bet selection idea.
@priyanka....
I hope Im doing this wrong, but this is simply my first file in RX that I had downloaded a while back. Its my first test.
It goes horribly wrong for me. Can you check it pls?
SIDE NOTE: There is 7,7,7,7 in this set of numbers. Most rare
Hey Turner,
My guess is you are playing it right. It indeed goes horrible with 9 straight losses within the first few spins. But I guess its part of the game, as it recovers with 6 straight wins after that. Following is the summary and the BR graph for all the 271 spins you have posted. I have also attached the excel (refer Play2 - session 2 sheet).
51 spins - -6u
100 spins - +90u
151 spins - +228u
200 spins - +336u
271 spins - +312u
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Cheers
Yanks!
PS : May be we can consider waiting for virtual win when there are 3 consecutive losses.
Thanks priyanka....just making sure i understood. I've always been excellent at understanding what's going on in my head....but slow with others ideas.
Looks like we are on Sams wave again
Quote from: GreatGrampa on June 17, 2013, 12:27:11 AM
"The bread and butter"
• It starts with 2 units on the EC(High or Low). On a win, if the win came from the section that I am tracking, the game ends here. If the win came from the section other than the one am tracking, I do the EC bet again. This process repeats.
• On a loss, I bet on the dozen where the section I am tracking falls in with 2 units. If the section is across two dozen, then I bet 1 unit each on the two lines the section falls under. On a win, same as step 1. If the win came from the section we are tracking, game ends. Win coming from section we are not tracking, we go back to EC bets and continue.
• On a loss, I split the section that I am tracking into 1 street and 1 line. I try to select the street such that it covers the last number that came in that section if possible. 1u on street and 1u on line. Win ends the game.
• On a loss, I go Attila. Every loss increase 1u on street and line alternately. Your first increase will be on line and the second increase will be on the street. This process goes on until you give up
Attaching your excel amended with the bread and butter progression. The key behind any working progression is how to improve your return on investment. As you are able to see from the excel, we have improved the return on investment from a little under 60% (+54u from 92u outlay) to over 75% (+38u from 50u outlay) by following this progression for this bet selection. When I find more time, I shall post the other progression suggestions.
if you win on double street in 3 step you just break even, what's next? end game?
Quote from: Biagle on July 10, 2013, 03:08:57 PM
if you win on double street in 3 step you just break even, what's next? end game?
Biagle, I don't use GG's progression
I use my own inspired by his idea
2 dozens covering the target quad 2u wins 1u L/H covering the target quad 3u wins 1u3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 4u 3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 1u 3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 7u 3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 1u Stop loss 23u.Atlantis and Priyanka have offered other ideas which I haven't tested fully yet
Here is a short video of the "Speedy gonzalez" play. It is played in BV real play using 0.1 chips. Played 17 spins and +54u. Wanted to show what to do in double loss, but the situation didn't arise during this session. Video is below.
Roulette Game 5] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSyTioPDOk#)
[reveal=Spin details]
[csv=,]
8, ,
31, ,Two tracking spins. Play for. 1 and 4
3, 6, Play against. 2 and 3
26, 6, Play for. 1 and 3
14, -6, Against. 1 and 4
5, 6, For. 1 and 2
11, 6, Against. 3 and 4
30, 6, For. 2 and 4
14, 6, Against. 1 and 3
13, -6, For. 2 and 4
11, 6, Against. 1 and 3
7, 6, For 1 and 2
19, -6, Against. 2 and 4
16, 6, For. 2 and 3
11, 6, Against. 1 and 4
35, 6, For. 2 and 4
13, 6,
[/csv]
[smiley]mgirl/mouse-girl-emoticon-56.gif[/smiley] Finally got the CSV working
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Cheers
Yanks
Great Video, and esp the use of the Notepad to give feedback/indications for next bet.
Your very fast.
Young brain eh.
Well done, Sam will be happy too!?!
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Thanks priyanka...much quicker if you just talked.....microphone broken?
Quote from: Chrisbis on July 11, 2013, 10:20:59 AM
Well done, Sam will be happy too!?!
Thanks Chris. Video is inspired by him, so hope he is happy.
Quote from: Turner on July 11, 2013, 10:29:38 AM
Thanks priyanka...much quicker if you just talked.....microphone broken?
I actually spoke for the entire session. :( Somehow, its taking the voice from the PC speaker than from the microphone. Need to play with the settings.
Quote from: Turner on July 10, 2013, 09:23:31 PM
Biagle, I don't use GG's progression
I use my own inspired by his idea
2 dozens covering the target quad 2u wins 1u
L/H covering the target quad 3u wins
1u3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 4u
3 streets (1u/street) of the target quad 3u wins 1u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 7u
3 streets (2u/street) of the target quad 6u wins 1u
Stop loss 23u.
Atlantis and Priyanka have offered other ideas which I haven't tested fully yet
maybe it is a better one with stop loss, because lost much with
"The bread and butter"
Thanks for sharing this method. and to Priyanka for the video . It think it can be pretty stable but here is some test in flat bet
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Looks like Quad cycle has come some way since I left this forum. Turner, do you still play this?