I am still doing some research on Hot Numbers.
Have a look at this picture.
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So I am playing for 1 or 2 hot numbers using a mild progression and only play for a cycle of 37 spins.
The times are the interesting part.
Have a look at any game over 10 minutes.
10m49s) 0.01
11m2s) 0.21
17m52s) -0.74
20m44s) -0.78
11m1s) 0.07
10m21s) 0.32
14m8s) 0.00
So that's 7 games for a total loss -0.91
The other 15 games were all under 10 minutes and produced a total of +495 units.
So it strikes me that it's a waste of time chasing the hot numbers later on in the 37 spin cycle going on these stats.
You bet first number hitted third time? Mild is 111222333... (3 step) or 111112222233333...(5 step)?
Very interesting thread!
I think Mr J (Ken) has pretty much got this hot numbers malarkey worked out!
No more than 4 numbers looks good to me. But I find I hardly get past 2/3 with my stop loss procedures. The only slight difference in my approach would be to reset the whole thing once you get to a certain point. The hot numbers should be exactly that (hot). Having to up the ante just means the tide is slowly turning. It is looking like either the 25th spin in the cycle or a loss of 75 units is the place where you need to be taking the loss on the chin and just move on to the next game.
Smoczoor, I will try and stay with a 1 chip bet for as long as I can. Going up to 2 is ok. I am finding rising to 3 is just not working out. It is funny in a way because you would think it's safer. However the profitability seems to dissapear once hit this level.
Anyway, I am going to do some more testing because I think the hot numbers may be the way to go as opposed to sleepers.
Yeah I gave up on sleepers years ago, its all about trial & error.
The HOW of the hot numbers is the sticking point. A few of us have different versions of what's best and CORRECT, please don't go beyond 4 numbers (imo).
Betting 3 numbers is a nice sweet spot. Not too many and not too few.
Ken
Quotejust listen to Spike and play the EC's as that will likely be as easy as it gets, if you know how
That's what I do (and Baccarat). Can't say I've done a whole lot of research on hot/cold numbers, but as others have pointed out, there's no inherent advantage in betting 1-4 numbers max. For me, ECs are the sweet spot; more numbers and you risk heavy monetary losses in a short sequence, less numbers and you risk long periods without a hit. From that point of view, betting ECs minimises the potential stress. Plus, payouts are symmetrical so it's easy to know where you are at any time with respect to your target.
I've had too many times (in the past) when the 33/36 split or the 10 11 12 street were long past due to hit, so I waited and then my betting began.
15 more spins, 20 more spins etc., still no hit and I lost a boatload.
How often do you see the 14, 22 and 31 hot as hell, then all of a sudden.....neither one of the three don't hit for another 80 spins?
It seems if we had to choose which one is more reliable...... one of the 3 HOT numbers hitting again soon OR waiting for the COLD street to hit soon, (imo) its an easy choice.
Ken
Mr J has got me intetested in hot numbers too - betting only 1 or 2. I have a file of 1million actual live spins that I obtained from the VLS forum a few weeks back and a lot of testing has shown me that if a number hits 2 times within the space of 10 spins, it usually shows up for a third hit (win) well within a hundred spins. Anything from 1 spin later to 60 or 70 spins.
I guess the only problem is it can be very time consuming and boring to wait for this phenomena. So then there's the tempation to do it for several numbers to keep the hits more frequent. It's certainly something I am interested in looking at further.
Quoteif a number hits 2 times within the space of 10 spins, it usually shows up for a third hit (win) well within a hundred spins. Anything from 1 spin later to 60 or 70 spins.
Innovative fallacy, I must say. Check another million spins, your observation maybe different in a different data.
I'm sure you're probably right - I guess I'm just clutching for some form of consistency.
If you want to win roulette, try to logically fight randomness. Fallacies would kill and they help in making people bankrupt in gambling.
@skakus
Yeah..I know...touching numbers and such...carpet not wheel.
Will re look at my old ideas
In the mean time....tried your theory.
Touching numbers dragged right along
and again...lol
Turner is it your Touching Numbers system? Carpet not wheel?
No, its surrounding a double/treble hit number, as skakus suggested....stop on a hit and change to surround another multi hit number.
this was over 37 spins......i.e 33 is hit twice, bet 32,34...later, if you have a bit of winnings, 22 hits 3 times, play 20,21,23,24
Probably different to how he does it....but its the same theory.
lol
i was playing something similar (twice hitted number <12 spins i bet wheel neighbours)
thx for explanation :thumbsup:
Last 10.....latest repeat + 2 carpet neighbours....3 numbers
Play until the repeat leaves the 10....or new latest repeat. Flat bet. Very interesting
So we are tracking 10 spins
if in 10 spins we got repeater we bet on it and 2 carpet neighbours for 10 spins or win or if new repeater comes then we switch to new repeater and neighbours...
am i right?
Yes....10 is dublin bet marque...that's all. Could be 12...16..
If it works it works on any....ties in with a 33u stop loss also..wcs being no hits or new repeat in 10.
Needs testing/tweaking ofcourse....perhaps bet 4 times and wait....dunno yet...but the theory is worthy due to Skakus extensive study
Finally made it to 150 games!
+1358 units.
Now I have to go through it all and pick the bones out of it. But I reckon it will be worth it.
111 winning games
4 break even games
35 losing games
So winning 3/4 games is ok as far as it goes.
Will be back when I have some info.
cheers
QuoteSo winning 3/4 games is ok as far as it goes
:thumbsup:
You play 1 or 2 hottest number. You start bet first number that hit 3 times and do bets for 37 spins? When number hits you give him next 37 chances?
Smoczoor,
You will get a better understanding of how I am doing it by reading my 'most recent two' thread in this blog.
That was for sixlines. All you need to do is convert it to single numbers. So you are waiting for two hits before betting.
What I am finding is 37 spins is too long when you are adding new numbers to bet. The profitability does not seem worth the risk. My personal preference would be to stop around the 20-25 spin mark (win or lose) and just reset.
I have to say however, I don't play a fixed set of rules. I might not like the look of the flow of numbers and will stop a game. Alternatively, I may push for another spin or two on occasions. So not every game is following the same procedure although I have a kind of framework that I will stick to. Basically that's never more than 3 numbers and I won't go up to 3 units later on the cycle. I had a few disaster games doing that (-150 and -180). Never be afraid to cut a game early and start again even after a few losses. The good cycles may be just around the corner and you want to make sure you will be ahead. Too many long losing games will just swallow everything up.
cheers
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on August 29, 2013, 07:08:53 AM
So we really don't know what's going on with hot numbers, but from my very lengthy observations I have all but concluded that to a significant enough degree, hot numbers drag other numbers along with them into hot territory, and that equally, cold numbers drag other numbers along with them into cold territory.
By other numbers I mean numerical neighbours one number either side of said number. This observed effect probably drifts further than one number either side, but for practical purposes, one number either side is probably as far as we need to drift.
I think a good few of us have spotted this MMB.
Have a look at the picture. Here is the wheel layout and table layout minus the 0. (Wouldn't fit) [smiley]aes/blush.png[/smiley]
This was a just a random 36 numbers I selected. But it's something you see all the time.
There is a cold area and hot area in each.
cheers
Interesting subject. I thought I would try this in one of my trackers that tracks the last 37 spins.
The enclosed picture shows that after the first 37 spins, numbers 14-15-16-17 have not hit (Sleepers)
They are marked in dark brown. Then notice for the next 21 spins, (light brown) none of them hit, they are indeed Cold Neighbors.
It looks like there could be some opportunities here. As time permits I will certainly give this a closer look.
Thanks again.
Nick
175 games update:
+ 1555 units.
130 winning games
4 break even games
41 losing games
Had 1 or 2 more games where I regretted going a few more spins into the cycle than what I should have. :whistle:
But not bad over all and averaging just short of 9 units a game.
This might not end up as a winning method itself. However I am pretty sure there is a winning method lurking somewhere within the sphere of hot numbers.
cheers
I'm not so good as you:
after 15 sessions
+43 units
but every session is great lesson for me so i have to play more and more and more
Any win is a good win Smoczoor. And you are certainly right that every game is an opportunity to learn.
good luck. :cheer: