This thread will be looking at some of Kimo Li's work. I had never really looked at any of it up until a few days ago when a few threads popped up on different forums. So I made the effort to trawl through a lot of old stuff and see what I could dig up. I will need to order his book tomorrow and have a study of it.
One thing I found really interesting was Kimo's matrix with the pies and stars. It's both simple and complex at the same time. There was a very good tracker on another forum which I will upload here for anybody who wants to have a look.
This isn't going to turn into a bash Kimo's work thread. I have read the posts where people are saying Kimo never told anyone where to place the bets. It's obvious to me at least from what I have already digested that Kimo must have spent many years researching this game. Nobody would go to the trouble of writing a book about their research unless they had a real passion to share their ideas. (Don't confuse what I just said with some huckster selling the martingale Version 3,256. There is a huge difference)
Anyway, hopefully this can be a productive thread where anybody already using some of Kimo's work can share some of their findings/strategies as well and we can all learn something new.
cheers
At first glance, Kimo's matrix can look pretty daunting. But it can be broken down and a lot of things fall neatly into place.
Here is a picture of the matrix.
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One thing that has always interested me on the single zero wheel is the 8 number groups.
There are 4 on each side.
Right hand side:
2,4,6,8,10. (BLACK, EVEN, LOW)
11,13,15,17. (BLACK, ODD, LOW)
19,21,23,25,27. (RED, ODD, HIGH)
30,32,34,36. (RED, EVEN, HIGH)
Left hand side:
1,3,5,7,9. (RED, ODD, LOW)
12,14,16,18. (RED, EVEN, LOW)
20,22,24,26,28. (BLACK, EVEN, HIGH)
29,31,33,35. (BLACK, ODD, HIGH)
Now see what happens when you add the pies and stars to these 8 groups.
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Now that makes the picture a little clearer and can be the basis for further research.
hi horus, u ve made a :o really good work ,please go on!
Hello Pete,
I have sent away for the book (european version) and should have it delivered within a few days. In the meantime, I am just experimenting with a few different ideas and trying to catch up on all the old threads that I can find about Kimo's work.
The END idea is a good one for isolating a single number. It produced a quickfire winner today when I was checking the Wiesbaden numbers from Table 2.
There were 3 hits each in pie 8 and star 5 after 7 spins leaving number 23 as the intersecting number to bet and up it pops.
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I will post some of my ideas within the next few days on how I try and predict which half of the wheel will appear as well as the colour. That narrows down the bets using the pies and stars. I am encouraged by my results and how I can get a quick win most of the time. I love playing short games. Experience has taught me that you don't want to get involved charting loads of numbers and having too much info to try and decipher. So the approaches that I have worked on so far suit my preferred playing style.
cheers
Finally got the book and it's fascinating. I am working my way through it trying to get a good understanding of things. Just the arrowhead and boomerang concept alone looks good for developing a few different strategies.
Thank you for writing a very interesting book on roulette Kimo Li. :thumbsup:
Hi horus,
You are welcome. I was wondering. Why did it take you so long to discover the book? The American book is even more fascinating just by the series of number relationship.
Best regards,
Kimo Li
Hello Kimo,
I always kind of knew about your work having read various snippets of info down the years. A lot of my previous ideas were pretty convoluted and it's only recently that I have streamlined things and now use a more visual approach as opposed to a stats approach. I think it's better this way because it still allows me to see what's happening. That's what I like about your work. I can see the ''arrowheads'' and ''boomerangs'' just by looking at the table layout.
One thing I noticed which looks worth exploring is how you can use the pinwheel concept with the arrowheads and boomerangs. Looking at the 4 groups in the spreadsheet below, you can see that the 1+4, 2+5 and 3+6 are identical in all 4 groups. So a pinwheel bet here would only consist of 12 numbers to bet.
Anyway, I am having some fun looking to twist and turn things and see what I can come up with. You must have a keen eye for detail Kimo to have been able to spot all these neat arrangements.
Thanks again.
QuoteAnyway, I am having some fun looking to twist and turn things and see what I can come up with. You must have a keen eye for detail Kimo to have been able to spot all these neat arrangements.
Hi horus,
Thanks for the kind words. That's the beauty in knowing where the numbers are on the roulette wheel because, as you say, you are "having fun looking to twist and turn things", creating. Here is a visual of your spreadsheet for those who do not have excel.
Kimo Li
I want to share a spreadsheet that has been sent to privileged individuals. Now to this forum, as well as others.
This spreadsheet tracks the layout characteristics: red, black, odd, even, high, low, dozens, columns, streets, double streets, triple streets, etc.
For beginners and professionals.
Kimo Li
Everything posted about Kimo Li principles and methods are for recreational purpose only.
This is my last post.
Kimo Li
Hi Kimo Li --- Many thanks for an introduction to some of your work. May I ask why you are not posting any more ? Personally I have been studying your work for the last 2 weeks and am finding some very interesting results. Would be nice to know that you would be around should the need arise.
Cheers,
klw.
klw i belive Kimo Li has own forum - you should buy his books to fully understand his methodology.
http://www.kimoliroulette.com/
I get the feeling that he is tierd of wannabies who wants Everything for free and i understand him.
Cheers
,
Thanks Rich for uploading the pinwheel. :thumbsup:
Hi RG :bye:
:glasses:
Waiting for them to cnhange my name to RG. I don't like my name on here lol
Hi Kimo,
I have discovered that a group is a group is a group... In other words, "you've seen one tree you've seen them all."
Your 8 groups I messed around with for characteristics discovery a few years ago, I referred to them as combo bets. This is when you combine a streak of low numbers with a streak of red or odd numbers or even both as you have. My focus was on hitting characteristics that were dominating at the same time.
Here's another grouping to watch; the Tens. 1,11,21,31 - 2,12,22,32 - 3,13,23,33... They are based on the value of the last digit from each number and the correlation to the Base-10 number system.
Quote from: Gizmotron on December 15, 2015, 05:50:54 PM
I have discovered that a group is a group is a group... In other words, "you've seen one tree you've seen them all."
I agree, I have an infinite number of groups. They all function the same.
QuoteYour 8 groups I messed around with for characteristics discovery a few years ago, I referred to them as combo bets. This is when you combine a streak of low numbers with a streak of red or odd numbers or even both as you have. My focus was on hitting characteristics that were dominating at the same time.
I hope it has served you well.
QuoteHere's another grouping to watch; the Tens. 1,11,21,31 - 2,12,22,32 - 3,13,23,33... They are based on the value of the last digit from each number and the correlation to the Base-10 number system.
How would you apply this to a particular strategy?
Here is my philosophy on how I approach roulette:
Here's a quote from Bruce Lee: "Adopt what is useful. Discard what is useless. And add what is uniquely your own."
Good to hear from you,
Kimo Li
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Gentlemen,
The roulette may perfectly BALANCED,
as the casino tries very hard to make them well balanced...
or the wheel may BIAS [imbalance/tilted]...
as that due to some physic's law..
but Kimo Li says,
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on December 16, 2015, 04:15:19 AM
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"...either ways, the casino doomed!'
Kimo Li.
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Whether the wheel well-balanced, or imbalance,
"...either ways, the casino doomed!'
Kimo Li.
Do you , gentlemen, really understand the real meaning of this quote???
Mr Li, did not explaining the significant of this wheel behaviour,
I had explain them...
If you gentlemen, not really understand this very basic of the wheel behavior...,
put down your tools, and ponder this quote, and understand , before you carry on.
Lest you burn your fingers, or worst, your whole hand...hehehe...
OMG!
Just found out,
Kimo Li Way turn the probability UPSIDE DOWN!!!
instead of math probability, the hit-rate turn as high 65%,70%, even,
as high as 80% !!!
and that truly HG!!!
and not even looking at the past spins!
No, I am not telling,
please don't PM me.
I just want to tell, its POSSIBLE!,
you need to have deep understanding.
of roulette.
Thanks.
But....
Even though the hitrate may hit as high as 80%,
You, still can't win with conventional progression.
You need an unconventional progression,
where tear apart and then win...
that withstand the "losses", before the win!
omg...
Whether the wheel well-balanced, or imbalance,
"...either ways, the casino doomed!'
Kimo Li.
simply mean,
say, if you slice the wheel into three equal parts, as if you slice a round pizza, into three pie parts,
[for a moment, simply ignore the zero.]
if the wheel very balanced,
in a long spins...say, 100spins.
then all parts of the wheel will have,
almost EQUAL hits.
if the wheel imbalance BIASED,
then a certain part/parts,
will have MORE hit than the other part/parts.
this is some fact YOU need to ponder before you move on. :nod:
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on December 16, 2015, 08:21:03 AM
if the wheel very balanced,
in a long spins...say, 100spins.
then all parts of the wheel will have,
almost EQUAL hits.
if the wheel imbalance BIASED,
then a certain part/parts,
will have MORE hit than the other part/parts.
this is some fact YOU need to ponder before you move on. :nod:
Hello BTW,
This was from yesterday.
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I don't look at this and think the wheel is biased. It's just the 'law' of disproportionate occurrence at work. This is the way it mostly goes or at least you can find one characteristic working like this more often than not if you look hard enough. The casinos would have went extinct a long time ago if the 'long run' were truly replicated in the 'short run'.
Just remember ''though the whole is still equal to the sum of its parts, the parts themselves are not simply abbreviated versions of that whole''.
cheers
Quote from: horus on December 16, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Hello BTW,
It's just the 'law' of disproportionate occurrence at work.
Dear Horus,
Thanks for your reply.
I believed that you already KNOW,
long-long ago that Kimo Li,
take "advantage-to-the-hilt", of this so called "LAW"!
Quote from: horus on December 16, 2015, 12:43:44 PM
Hello BTW,
. This is the way it mostly goes or at least you can find one characteristic working like this more often than not if you look hard enough. The casinos would have went extinct a long time ago if the 'long run' were truly replicated in the 'short run'.
cheers
Dear Horus,
If everyone knows, how to take advantage of that [your] statement,
casino soon broke!
And Kimo Li knows how to take full advantage!
The million dollar question is,
Do you yourself know how to take advantage of this statement???
I don't think so...
All Kimo Li's bet selections,
are not going to beat the edge,
if you test all his bet selections,
they ALL, conform to the probability,
variance, ecart, house edge law...
and every law, known to math boys.
There NOTHING special about them.
BEAT-THE-WHEEL,
Many years ago (around 1990) I bought a book called 'How to win at roulette and blackjack' by Roy Ward Dickson. It's still one of my favourites because of the candid style it was written in.
Nobody to my mind has yet to trump what Dickson reiterated at just about the end of every chapter and the message was ''don't go against what the wheel is doing.''
25 years has passed since then and my objective has mostly stayed the same and that is to find different concepts running parallel with each other so that I can take advantage of Dickson's mantra should the opportunity arise.
Read part of my signature.....''What you don't know and don't do will be your undoing.''
Somebody new coming along and reading Dickson's book and taking to heart about not playing against the wheel will not have the same level of understanding of what that means that someone else does with 25 years of experience under their belt.
That's as good as I can explain it.
Good luck to you BTW and Merry Christmas.
QuoteHere's another grouping to watch; the Tens. 1,11,21,31 - 2,12,22,32 - 3,13,23,33... They are based on the value of the last digit from each number and the correlation to the Base-10 number system.
QuoteHow would you apply this to a particular strategy?
I have evaluated almost all of my major win streaks over the past 15 years. They almost exclusively involve the same 12 numbers dominating for a while, and I noticing them dominating. An example here would be the 1's, 4's, and the 6's dominating, that would be 12 numbers. You don't need to track them with a chart either. You can see them by just observing the marquee.
Thanks for sharing your Base 10 numbers.
I have grouped them into 3 sets and applied them to my pinwheel spreadsheet.
Excellent grouping, simple to memorize, and making it easy to place bets.
146
235
7890
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on December 16, 2015, 06:27:50 AM
OMG!
Just found out,
Kimo Li Way turn the probability UPSIDE DOWN!!!
and that truly HG!!!
No, I am not telling
If that doesn't sound like a 7 year old hiding a secret from some friends then I don't know what does.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
When it comes to roulette business, there are no friends, just business alliances for the privileged few.
The Crow
Quote from: RouletteGhost on December 19, 2015, 05:49:21 PM
If that doesn't sound like a 7 year old hiding a secret from some friends then I don't know what does.
Quote from: The Crow on December 19, 2015, 07:10:57 PM
When it comes to roulette business, there are no friends, just business alliances for the privileged few.
The Crow
Kimo use marthy, sort of marthy..
can't believe ?
Believe it...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on December 19, 2015, 05:49:21 PM
If that doesn't sound like a 7 year old hiding a secret from some friends then I don't know what does.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
RG,
Your 'new-found', sort of dozens bet, alteady exploit to hilt by Kimo, and others,
I , the first person to published them, the basic, in detail, you already read them somewhere...
but get ready to lose your underwear....if you too naive
Gentlemen,
if you study the so called "sheet'
If you look at them close, and long enough,
If the wheel not heavily bias, or tilt.
you will notice some distintive pattern,
sort like uneven 'heart-beat' chart...
it always repeated, but uneven,
and conform to probability in long run.
then you can exploit them to hilt.
There nothing special about them,
only that they will not swing far.
They always within expectation.
Thus then, we exploit them.
eg.
If the dozen always come in three,
then you turn the probability upside down.
and exploit them...
One of very simple method.
In the next four spins,
you see only four pies, or stars hit.
Do this for many spins.
wait for four unique pies, or stars,
the see how many spins for the other two unhit to hit,
and now what you going to do to win.
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wait for six spins,
wait for two unhit pies or stars,
then see what happen.
BEAT-THE-WHEEL
I know you are not a student of Kimo Li because a student would not be posting.
And, no, I am not a student of Kimo Li
The Crow
Hi Crow,
I doubt, if anyone want to 'pawn" their grail???
Thus I doubt, if there any "student"???
When I share my , so called 'Grail", with some friends,
soon, it all over the net, with some, smart,
'tweaked" ,,,hahahahahaaw
Kimo is a shrewd businessman, and sales&marketing strategist...
I try to understand Kimo's, by scrutinize, every single wording in his blog.
The basic , I understand ,
The bet based on the wheel's sections, and group, of so called, "stars".
If the wheel is well balanced, then, every pie, will hit, almost equilibrium, in long run,
but in short spins, they will most probably not.
Say, there six pies,
if the wheel well-balanced.
probability, dictates, 1/6,
but in next six spins,
all six pies hit, will only 1%.
The most hit, is 4pies/6spins.
If the wheel is tilted,
then 2,3,or 4 of the pies will constantly hit.
thus in next six spins, 2, or 3 pies, will hit less.
and then, the "way'', will caused, the pies,
to always hit within 'expectation',
thus we exploit them to win.
albeit a grind.
That just that simple,
but hard for the "rush", to understand.
The 'way' also, turn the probability, to turn upside-down.
But the payout also hit the 'upside-down',
thus , if we exploit the , hit-rate, with "HIT&RUN"
Then the chances of win, will overcome the losses,
Thus, we will lose, but recoup the losses, in few more win.