Anyone remember 'Number 6' ? One of my favourite posters of all time.
Anyway, he had this to say way back.
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So I am going to show a few things that some of you may already know or have not really noticed.
I have heard the same thing and I have heard American is beatable by simply playing columns
I have been working to crack it
check this graphic. the location of the columns
perhaps certain patterns are less likely to repeat on american wheel
See my latest post even chance strategy in my blog
So here we are with the 2 Green's.
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There are two sections that I am going to show you.
The first one.
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Here it is on the Carpet Layout.
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The second one.
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Here it is on the Carpet Layout.
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So leaving aside the 0/00 for the moment....The first one has 20 numbers and the second one has 16 numbers.
Now looking at the second one containing 16 numbers. Look at the 1, 3, 4 and 6 numbers.
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This just then leaves the 15-18 split and the 19-22 split.
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These two splits are intersected by the 31-34 split as you can see above.
So taking the above into consideration and comparing it against the Single Zero Wheel, I find myself agreeing with 'Number 6'.
News flash. Kimo Li already cracked that code, The Roulette Formula.
The Crow
Another Newsflash....
This thread isn't about Kimo Li. Please start your own thread if you want to talk about his work. It certainly doesn't have to be as complicated as what Kimo suggests. But each to their own I suppose.
cheers
Bet 1$ straight up on 00,8,29
Bet 1st & 3rd column 10$ each
You are betting this way 23 continuous numbers plus a few on the other side.
Also you can bet from 5$ on columns instead of 10$ each.here is the 23 number group.
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The progression suggestion:
The point is to keep an account for each and every bet separately AND as 1 group simultaneously.
By applying a positive progression on 2 columns we're expecting the streaks of 2 columns to be longer than the streaks of 1 column.
What kind of positive progression would accommodate successfully such expectation?
My answer is a conservative one which doesn't add unnecessary risks into the equation.
As long as our 2 columns hit and win we keep on flat betting 1 unit on each of them, when the ''losing'' column appears we write down minus 2 and keep adding the negative outcomes as they occur, when the losing streak eventually stops we check the negative balance by deducting the last win.
Let's say the negative balance is -5 (3 losses/1 win) now we're going to bet 2 units on each of our 2 columns, thus a possibility to win 2 units net, if successful the next bet would be for 3 units on each column providing the chance to win additionally 3 units net and reducing the negative balance to 0.
In such case we have neutralize the negative balance by offsetting 3 loses with 3 wins.
Whenever we are reducing a negative balance to 0 and/or changing it into positive, the next bet on 2 columns is always 1 unit each.
If we had lost after 2 consecutive wins the negative balance would have been -9 units and the next bet would be 1 unit on each column.
Let's say another losing streak of 2 occur before a win breaks it, the negative balance would have been -9 + -4 = -13 - 1 = -12 units, the next bet would be where you left off from the previous winning streak, 3 units on each column.
Can you calculate how many more wins we need in order to neutralize the negative balance?
If your answer is 3 you are right, 3+4+5=12
In other words a positive progression which increases by 1 unit ONLY when there is a negative balance till it becomes neutralized or positive.
We are also betting 3 straight up numbers, the method is the counting in multiples of 12 spins...
As group of 3 we need 1 win out of 12 results, if that win would not occur within the 12 first spins keep on flat betting 1 unit on each of 00, 8, 29 but now we are looking for 2 wins in the next 12 spins.
Let's say that after 24 spins one or none of our three numbers appeared, now we need 2 or 3 wins in the next 12 spins, if this wouldn't happen, we are checking the TOTAL balance that far (including our 2 columns), if the total is in the positive after 36 successive outcomes we wouldn't raise bets on numbers 00,8,29.
But if the total is negative, we would increase on 2 units on each number for the next 36 successive spins.
The betting schedule for the three numbers must be reseted to 1 unit for each number as soon as you reach a new high on your bankroll, regardless if this has been achieved by the 3 numbers or 2 columns betting.
Thank you Blue Angel for your very interesting idea. I will make some time tonight to study it.
cheers
I read someone played american wheel only. Columns. Claimed grail. Never released strategy
All hail the columns.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on March 09, 2016, 05:58:17 PM
I read someone played american wheel only. Columns. Claimed grail.
Here is the text which RG is talking about. I was going to put it in the first post with the 'Number 6' quote because readers will probably be wondering who 'Bob' is...but it was pretty vague.
Anyway, here it is....
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Another thing I thought about today was this thing about the 8 Black / 4 Red in the Second Column and the 8 Red / 4 Black in the Third Column. If the Second Dozen is missing, it then becomes 6 Black / 2 Red in the Second Column and 6 Red / 2 Black in the Third Column.
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Thank you Bally for this remarkable insight into the US wheel, and the lateral thinking insights you have shared. Also thanks to the various posters who have contributed on this thread with good ideas. Now this is a very worthy stream of thought and research to follow and I personally have had no prior contact with US wheels, as all our work is on the Euro wheel. This is very exciting.
Thanks Richard,
Yes, It's exciting times on the Roulette front. I have had a lot of success playing the 00 Wheel over the last few months. I do plan to make a few short videos showing how I go about using the information I have shared above. At the moment I can only play online because we have no 00 Wheels here in the UK which I know about. There is an American themed Casino down in London and I will need to check if they have one because I am itching to get in a few live sessions.
cheers
i for one would love to see how you bet on the american wheel
i have access to 15 airball american wheels
i find that column 2 and 3 (due to layout) have higher streaks
at the end of the day it evens out....but when 2 and 3 streak, THEY REALLY STREAK
see attached image of tonights session.....whered column 1 go?
When I was at Vegas I was able to find American wheels from 0.25 inside/ 5$ total at Downtown and there was even with 0.1 at Henderson, Nevada.
European wheels are offering only a handful of casinos and their table limit starts from 10$ (total), but 25$ is the average and on weekends or private rooms reaches 100$ per spin.
In other words at Vegas is much more easier to play on American wheels.
Fantastic work and the videos are a great idea! You will attract great attention.
I was particularly intrigued by your late night subsequent thought however on the absent 2 Doz, and the impact that has on Cols 2 and 3, B and R.
I conducted a quick test on my last live session ( yesterday) and used a trigger assumption ( crude I know) to bet for same as last in colour and thus load both Dozens ( 1 and 3) together with the one preferred column based on colour expectation.
My 100 spin session peaked at +28 units and finished +18.
I always see spectacular results from the first test of an idea, later to be squashed, but this was a great result. I will try it out on previous sessions later tonight.
My wonder was how you might suggest framing an attack. Please do not respond in public if this is confidential for you.
Best
R.
Hello Richard,
This idea of the 6 vs 2 is just something I quickly thought of yesterday and will need to spend some time looking into it. Your test results sound promising. I will be putting some money into my online account tommorow and will have a few videos up by the weekend regarding the 00 Wheel play.
Cheers
Bally,
I've used your system on RX and it's one of the most resilient! :thumbsup:
This idea is possibly one of those break even bets ( perhaps capable of further development), especially if you can run an independent account to manage zero. My sample of course was ridiculously small but after 30 spins it was at the session high, and later was clawed back by zero appearances and some headwinds. The principle though is fascinating because if your goal is modest/ realistic you could accept say even +10 units quite happily while on the right side of the ledger, or if not you could anticipate a swing back. However empirical testing would need to prove that 'balance'.
To me the reason for this working ( any wheel) is the resonance/ skew of colour dominance to column if you can find a way to reinforce the positives and mitigate the negatives, ie do not bet on the mid dozen.
I suggest research might simply observe results, past or live, without real money risk exposure at this stage. As I say early results can be seductive.
Now it may be more efficient therefore to bet straight up the numbers ( and therefore implicitly the associated colours) rather than the relative inefficiencies ( less exact) of the dozens and columns.
I will compare the results from the same session playing this way and will provide the spins in due course.
Thanks for your very interesting thoughts Bally.
I will post the approx 100 spins so others can test but this was a live session at my boutique casino earlier this week.
Following Bally's brilliant idea of focus target on the column colour skew this modified approach targets the 6 numbers.
High was at +148 units two thirds through and final result was +40 as the corrective balancing tide swept back in
This session was balanced in R/B dominance but was imbalanced through both 0 and 00 appearances ( losses) with 6 appearances in 100 spins. The bizarre arrangement here is that it is a Euro wheel but 00 is placed between 5 and 10. This rapid roulette live table has this 'tax' applied but for $5 tables when open the standard Euro wheel is used.
So this 'headwind' was adverse but we still showed a profit which says something about the value of this idea. However I emphasise this may be just an aberration, so take due care.
With an independent flat stake bet put on 0-00 for every spin that would have resulted in +22 extra units.
Here are the spins... and the key assumption trigger is dominant last spin colour to repeat
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34
33
29 hit
30
30 hit
14
9 hit etc.....
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4
20
15
11
0
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6
35
21
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19
8
27
00
35
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27
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33
8
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27
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97 spins
there's a profitable way to spit at the end of the table and just play columns
I know there is
Just have to pin point the exact bet selection
Quote from: Bally6354 on March 09, 2016, 06:59:24 PM
Here is the text which RG is talking about. I was going to put it in the first post with the 'Number 6' quote because readers will probably be wondering who 'Bob' is...but it was pretty vague.
Anyway, here it is....
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that's the one
this guy, if only playing columns must have had a certain bet selection.....i have static bet each column.....i have tried to crack this....betting 2 columns at once no dice
but i do notice when column 1 streaks its few and far between.....when 2 and 3 streak jump on it
What if we make two combinations of bets?
1) Red, Odd, 2nd column
2) Black, Even, 3rd column
Here is the result of a second test of the 'missing dozen' theory from Bally, with only 6 numbers targeted as already explained, so for clarity I will refer to it as Bally6 and has nothing to do with the very exciting work mentioned earlier here on the US wheel layout flaws.
Bally6 as I am playing it is volatile, so has great variance. However in shorter sample of 54 spins it produced a net +22 units, peaking at +82. The downside is risk exposure to strings of losses. This session peaked at +82, had an early low of -72 and finished at +22 after nine consecutive losses. However of course if well ahead, take profit ahead of inevitable re-tracement.
Session 3 was RNG at the casino today with 70 spins and end result +72 units, peaking at +84 and initial loss -24. Ironically this was a single zero wheel/ program and the zero result was a net +2 units.
Session 4 was a ripper this afternoon.
34 spins 0-00 wheel with 5 hits in the zeroes.
Overall result -18 units, worst -78, and best +0, but the zero game earned +112 units
I played live another strategy and targeted the 24- 5-00-10 wheel section using WF and big final hit on 00 which triple appeared.
So overall so far, good results but be prepared for up to 15 or more consecutive losses.
If you are worrying about losing streaks just stop after 1 loss and continue when your selection hits again.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on March 11, 2016, 05:51:59 AM
If you are worrying about losing streaks just stop after 1 loss and continue when your selection hits again.
A choppy session would always bring ONLY losses if we do that.
LWLWLWLWLWLW
I don't get it. Why would anyone want to play the 00 wheel when the house edge is double the Euro wheel? ???
The fact that you may have discovered some "interesting" correspondences between the wheel and the layout doesn't make any sector more likely to hit than any other. I can't see why this is "exciting". Somebody please enlighten me.
Quote from: Albalaha on March 11, 2016, 06:43:27 AM
A choppy session would always bring ONLY losses if we do that.
LWLWLWLWLWLW
That's true but you do recognize that there are better bet selections and not everything is the same, right?
Quote from: Mike on March 11, 2016, 07:40:37 AM
I don't get it. Why would anyone want to play the 00 wheel when the house edge is double the Euro wheel? ???
The fact that you may have discovered some "interesting" correspondences between the wheel and the layout doesn't make any sector more likely to hit than any other. I can't see why this is "exciting". Somebody please enlighten me.
That's correct, I think the topic initiated by an old post from someone who was claiming indirectly that he found the "holy grail".
My personal opinion is that following clues which are based completely on vague claims from unknown individuals has a very good possibility to be misleading.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on March 11, 2016, 08:05:23 AM
That's true but you do recognize that there are better bet selections and not everything is the same, right?
I say, there is no better bet selection. Only a time could be favorable for a bet or against it. A bet itself has no advantage attached in it.
RG,'
and gentlemen,
I tell you an stale open secret.
If you cut the wheel into three almost equal portion,
whether you bet one portion, or double,
after long spins, you will notice, in long spins, they'll always almost equal,
BUT, they tend to CLUSTERED,
AND NOW YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO!
Quote from: Albalaha on March 12, 2016, 04:27:04 AM
I say, there is no better bet selection. Only a time could be favorable for a bet or against it. A bet itself has no advantage attached in it.
I hate to admit that once more you are correct, not because I've to agree but because it's the reality.
However, this is what I wanted to say but didn't express it properly.
Didn't mean that, for example, numbers 17 and 26 are always better bet than others, but I meant that betting WITH the flow and NOT AGAINST it is the best possible selection, the rest is MM.
There is nothing like trends or patterns or "going with the wind" or "going against the wind" in a game of pure randomness.
No betselection can outsmart randomness or lessen the house edge or the volatility of variance.
http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/19400641/like-patterns-random-game-help#.VuP4H3197IU
To showcase this, I simulated entire zuma 1600 baccarat removing Tie which has nearly 114k bets. I did them with 5 kind of betselections like betting the last, betting the opposite last, betting before last and switching at certain losses. All performed almost equally and each had good, bad, average and extreme streaks.
http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/11104358/5-different-kind-bet-selections-perform-zumma-1600#.VuP50X197IU
Come out of the fanciful illusions of pattern playing or "identifying the running pattern" or "current flow" of randomness. They do exist in our wishful thinking only. They do not help in real world.
Quote from: Albalaha on March 12, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
There is nothing like trends or patterns or "going with the wind" or "going against the wind" in a game of pure randomness.
No betselection can outsmart randomness or lessen the house edge or the volatility of variance.
http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/19400641/like-patterns-random-game-help#.VuP4H3197IU
To showcase this, I simulated entire zuma 1600 baccarat removing Tie which has nearly 114k bets. I did them with 5 kind of betselections like betting the last, betting the opposite last, betting before last and switching at certain losses. All performed almost equally and each had good, bad, average and extreme streaks.
http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/11104358/5-different-kind-bet-selections-perform-zumma-1600#.VuP50X197IU
Come out of the fanciful illusions of pattern playing or "identifying the running pattern" or "current flow" of randomness. They do exist in our wishful thinking only. They do not help in real world.
Every time I'm posting something your reply is against my post, I say black you say white, I say white you say black, what's your problem with me?!
Baccarat is different from roulette and you are replying to a topic about columns betting on American roulette wheel which happens to be at roulette forum.
If you need to boast about your ''I know everything'' attitude, make your own topic and post there whatever you want.
In the meantime don't condemn every effort which being made towards a different path than yours.
Do you expect everyone to agree with your biased views and congratulate you on the same time?!
You (think) know better than anyone?
Fine, just use what you know to win and let the rest of us who we are inferior than you to lose, it's our problem after all!
Quote from: Albalaha on March 12, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
There is nothing like trends or patterns or "going with the wind" or "going against the wind" in a game of pure randomness.
No betselection can outsmart randomness or lessen the house edge or the volatility of variance.
While I agree with this, you don't seem to realize that the solution you propose -- money management -- is also fallacious. There is no method of money management which will turn a negative expectation into a positive expectation. Looking for "just the right progression" is a fool's errand. This has been proven countless times.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on March 12, 2016, 12:36:54 PM
Every time I'm posting something your reply (Albalaha) is against my post, I say black you say white, I say white you say black, what's your problem with me?!
That's our Albalaha. He hates everyone's ideas equally.
Don't take it personally, he's on a mission to rid the world of, well, I'm not really sure, but he's very passionate about it.
AD :cheer:
Quote from: ADulay on March 12, 2016, 10:45:08 PM
That's our Albalaha. He hates everyone's ideas equally.
Don't take it personally, he's on a mission to rid the world of, well, I'm not really sure, but he's very passionate about it.
AD :cheer:
I'm sure it has nothing to do with him selling systems.......... >:D
Thank you for the encouragement, really apreaciated it.
By the way, I remembered when spoke with Janus, the creator of GUT, and he expressed his dissapoitment because not only of some trolls who are free-roaming, but also about the eagerness of many individuals for pointless arguments and not feedback, testing, analysis, constructive suggestions...etc
Unfortunately he left forums for such reasons, it's a shame not to be team players and not to work together towards our mutual interest.
A unified brain could achieve much more than a lot of smaller ones, if you block the knowledge by not sharing it you are framing its evolution.
Trust and you'll be trusted, give and you'll get.
QuoteDo you expect everyone to agree with your biased views and congratulate you on the same time?!
You (think) know better than anyone?
Fine, just use what you know to win and let the rest of us who we are inferior than you to lose, it's our problem after all!
and you want to force feed and mislead everyone to play a delayed marty believing you alone? I did not just speak but cared to code a tracker as you propose to play. You weren't scare in boasting about winning the worst of red in roulette30 forum while here you started to sing, "why would I play red" and all that. If my views are biased or wrong, prove it with correct examples, simulations as I did. Speaking loud and writing big paragraphs you are not going anywhere.
You have an opinion like everyone else, everyone can judge for themselves.
I'm afraid we are derailing this topic so I'll stop responding to topic non relevant messages.