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I will write 4 parts to this thread.  They will be:

Part 1:  H-Money texted me last night at midnight after promising me he would not go to the casino and wait for Friday night.

Part 2:  Bank-Roll, Buy-In & Wagering.  Reality with safety and comfort.

Part 3:  What I wager & Risk, most times.

Part 4:  Vision--Pressures & Psych.


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And as I drive to my business this morning, instead of sunshine and bright skies, this is what I was faced with as I dwelled in H-Money's text's from last night and his devastating loss:

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And, I spent a good hour with him on the phone last night explaining why I would not go to the casino until Friday and just stay home--please!  I was cooking a pizza from scratch, and preparing to watch the classic movie 'Speed'.  Here is a pic of the pizza just before adding the garlic and seasoning on top and getting it under the broiler for 3 min's to finish it up.  A beer, corn on the cob and the pizza!  Yes--it was nothing shy of great! I planned my night, stuck to it and I am not going to the casino until Friday, late night. 

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Part 1:

H-Money calls me and wants to go to the casino together.  Says he can't sleep because  he is thinking about his losses last weekend when we kind of imploded.  I told him I would not and could not go.  I know in my mind 100% what would happen and we need a few more days without the casino.  I have been doing this too long.  He tells me he understands and would not go.  I could hear in his voice, the desires and his desperate need to get whole again.  I further explain everything he did was his choice and his mistakes.  Nothing to do with the casino.  I repeat it and thought I convinced him.  Told him to come over my house and let's eat pizza together and watch some movies, he could crash out and wake up and head to work with a clear mind.  He said he was okay and would stay home.

That was all around 9PM or so.  Then about 12:30AM he texts me, he is at the casino  A bit later tells me he is down a few grand.

Calls me at 3:00AM and tells me he lost $10,000.00 of borrowed cash and  few thousand of his own money. 

6:30am is still at the casino and knows he can win back his cash.  Wants me to go there.  There is no possible way I am going into a negative, resentful, desperate scene in the pursuit to recoup lost money.  It will not work, only get yourself into a deeper and more resentful place than you stand already, far greater than 100% chances that is, probably 1,000%!  We don't borrow money from each other for gambling, I have my own and he always has his own or gets it from elsewhere.  I know he took most of his gambling bank roll the past couple of months to make payroll for his business as his business income has been really bad.

I have text him numerous times and he has not answered yet.

I got to thinking about some of the posts on the board here about bankrolls, buy-ins and wagering.  Also about some links to the 'gurus' that post their statistical garbage elsewhere about 'how to win certain amounts' based on statistical data and their testing, etc. Follow what so many 'wizards' and 'statistical gurus' say you will do--the casino will eat you up and spit you out in a heart beat.   

So I am going to offer some more reality and what has worked for myself and others.  Of course if you push it and can not control yourself, as in anything else, drinking, drugs, speeding, personal relationship jealousy, etc., etc., gambling is no different.  Because gambling actually involves more than statistical mathematical equations.  It involves, emotions, psych, vision and frame-of-mind, yes it does 100%!

Here it is, the text just came.  The exact same as someone reading how to make money playing 'such and such' a system on the internet and running to the casino and actually spending their money on it cause a 'guru' said it can be done according to the statistics, etc.

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Part 2:

Bankroll—Buy In & Relationship to Your Personal Situation

Bankrolls:  Bankroll is the amount of money you have in liquid, cash form—to gamble with.  A bankroll is separate from your buy-in amount.  Different people will certainly find varies ways to compile their own bankroll and buy in amounts. 

Personally, I have two different bank rolls for two different types of casino play.  One is for an extended period at a larger gaming jurisdictions, such as Las Vegas, Southern California or Atlantic City because those are my 'travel-to' stay a week or so, type of destinations.  Then there is my local Midwest type of place where I might go once or twice a week, usually. 

I usually keep the amount of $25k for my local bankroll and the amount of $50k for other 'travel-to' destinations.  I always replenish my bank rolls if I lose or win.  I never build my bank roll larger and larger, seeking to play at other levels.  Mainly—because I am past all that, been there and done it.  I am comfortable playing at the level and the plateaus I play at.  Anything out of that for myself, I will not perform well, feel pressure and have clouded vision.  I have written about all this stuff within my Blog or the Baccarat Room on this board. 

Yet, so many on the internet message boards all dwell on playing excessively, building their bank rolls and playing larger and larger, etc.  I find all of their talk, extremely difficult if not impossible to believe is true and what they actually do.  I know gambling, casinos and baccarat and what they claim is second nature to them is most likely what they do desire but more fiction than non-fiction. 

Lately there has been talk about 'percentages' and what should or should not be gambled, wagered and bought in with as compared to a bankroll.  I find that extremely useless myself and cannot and does not work for me or anyone of my friends that do gamble on a regular basis.  Mainly for the reason, winning is important and we score some nice wins and if we really did pay attention to percentages as a guideline, we would not realize the nice and 'great' wins we do.  However, we do incorporate a money management system into our play almost religiously which is my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1./3rd system.  Again, I have explained this in detail and depth within my Blog and the Baccarat Room here on BetSelection. 

I do always replenish my lost funds from my Bankroll when they happen.  Usually out of win money and if I start to lose repeatedly, I slow down and replace the Bankroll through other means.  It bothers me to have a shrinking Bankroll and I do not play well when I do lose more than a few sessions without winning.  I would say that my Bankroll is just about always replenished through other wins rather than pulling money to replenish it from other means.  If I do, I would replenish that money from other wins to make myself whole. 

How do I stay whole?  I do not gamble large amounts of money the way I used to say, 15 years ago plus.  Meaning my buy-ins are much smaller than my bankroll, of course. 

Buy-In:  My local buy-in would generally be anywhere from $500.00 to $1,500.00 as a norm.  I vary depending on what I recently won and as well, how the first shoe goes as I sit down.  Also, I have to take into thought, the other players and the aura of the location as well.  I am of the extreme mind, if I win I can win.  If I lose I will lose.  I can win as easily with $1,000.00 as I can with $5,000.00 or $10,000.00.  However, I do not play for 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 units the way so many cite that they do, each and every day, each and every session, etc.  I play to win and double to triple my buy-in and then go into my money management system along with a
1 + 4 Side Parlay' 3 or 4 chance attempt with win money also.  I do risk what I buy-in with.  That works best for me and has been working great for a number of years.  I could take a $25,000.00 bank roll and buy-in 4 times at about $6,200.00 a time and have four chances to make something.  Or, I can buy-in 20-25 times at $1,000.00 or so and play the game I know will produce extreme ups and downs and really work to lock back up the buy-in and some win money, continue playing and attempt to do that several times.  But they key to doing that is the will power and the absolute walking away when you do lose.  I have it down and I seldom falter on it. 

I play at $10.00 to $25.00 tables locally and $100.00 and up outside of the Midwest.  Locally I generally start with $75.00 to $100.00 and see what happens.  At times I might wager $25.00 or $50.00 to stay in the game if not many people are playing.  But I strictly subscribe to a 1-3-2-6 or a 1-3-2-4 positive progression.  At times I will strictly parlay once or twice and let it ride once or twice as well and then pull it down.  It all depends on too many factors to list here in an article about bankrolls and buy-ins, etc.  The point is the pressure to at least double or triple my buy-in and then it becomes much easier and extremely profitable for me.  I do that well over 50% of the times I play and maybe that is why I can pull off the kind of profit I generally do at this game along with the key factor of not increasing the bankroll and playing at unrealistic limits with unrealistic desires and goals, once again IMO and experience. 

I wrote about what happened last weekend after I played 3 times during the week and won in excess of $40k and then lost $15k on Friday night and Saturday morning.  That only 100% convinces me that my way of playing is correct. 

As well, my safety and comfort is a huge contribution factor to my clear vision which is an absolute must to have the ability to see what is happening.  Not only with the shoe presentments, but also with your buy-in, winning or losing actions, etc.  IMO and experience, if you do not have safety and comfort in your gambling, you have no ability to do anything except lose your bank roll and repeatedly fail at making any kind of money from the casino.  You will be eaten alive without even knowing what had happened to yourself.  More about the other things I have mentioned other than Bankroll and Buy-ins, in Parts 3 and 4. 

Part 3:

Wagering & Risk

You have to find what fits you, your comfort and safety levels as well as your bankroll and downswings.  What works for me is what I outlined in Part 2 above. 

It is very important to me to always be conscious of the fact that losing time is coming, if I have been winning.  That is why I subscribe to my type of money management system and my '1 + 4 Side Parlay' wagers I place out of win money.  I far exceed my losses because I do not gamble all or most of my win money the way so many players do. 

I transpose my larger wagers to the sections that look great and present themselves for being favorable to me and if I start winning, I pounce on it with a very limited risk amount out of my buy-in or even out of my win money that is still on the table. 

It is of the utmost important for me to lock up my buy-in and some win money as soon as possible to allow myself the comfort and safety I need for the session to stay completely neutral and pressure-free.

As well my buy-in amount will not change anything with my lifestyle, bills, personal life or anything else financially for myself.  It does for so many players and their level of stress, pressure and everything else they carry when they play is astronomical, past comprehension. 

If I won, my money management system will allow me to stop and leave always a winner.  Before, years ago—I never had anything in place such as I do the past 15 years or so.  Once I did, my whole game has improved countless times over what it used to be. 

I really do not have a set wagering amount for anything.  I take many variables into consideration as the game/shoe progresses as to how much I will or will not wager.  Or if I will wager at all on certain hands or a section forming within the shoe.  My success/wins actually is governed by my vision and my ability to really maintain a neutral position and catch the opportunities that do present themselves for whatever reason within a shoe.

To me, there is no other way to actually play baccarat with set wagering amounts and bets based upon what has or has not happened within the shoe. 

Part 4:

Visions—Pressures & Psychology

For those of you that think there is no such factors as those I put above, are currently in fantasy land of 'I don't know where' and very oblivious to the gambling effect of winning or losing money within a casino.  Period.

With that said, I have been able to define those areas and I have written about them in detail within my Blog and the Baccarat Room here in BetSelection.

There certainly are other factors and considerations in baccarat.   But those are my main three that are within my 'intangible' and 'non-shoe/non game' category.  Hopefully you understand?  You have to function when you play, the same as you have to perform when and if you do sports.  Your body and fitness is your ammunition in sports, no?  Your brain including your sub-conscious and your conscious states (frame-of-mind, etc.) is your intangible fuel along with your body for the tangible power.  I transpose that to gambling as well. 

I have wrote about all these as well within my Blog and the Baccarat Room here on BetSelection.  But I will throw out a recap and thoughts pertaining to each.

Within my Blog on the board, at:  https://betselection.cc/alrelax's-blog/, you will be able to read my thoughts in a series of posts I wrote, "1-10 in a Series) contained all within the first page of the highlighted section at the above link.  I am writing the below with a twist because of what happened to my buddy 'H-Money' this morning at the casino and his loss. 

Vision:  My vision focuses on what is being presented, how it is being presented and what is yet to be presented.  This more than anything else is such an important ingredient to winning at baccarat.  If you can divide up the shoe into 'sections' that will allow you to even focus greater and with more precision.  Almost every shoe will have 'sections' and 'turning points', they represent what the shoe is producing and how it was produced, both.  For whatever reason and even if I could define the reason it does not matter, if I can have the vision to identify what is happening and I wager on it—my winning wager is easily parlayed and the power and fuel I receive from something like that, is extremely intense and allows myself to pounce easily on an opportunity rather than fighting it and negatively seeing what is positively happening.  Here, in layman's terms.  I much rather have a $300.00 wager on the Banker and have it win, parlay my second one to $600.00 and have that one win also, wager $900.00 on the 3rd attempt at the Banker and stack up $300.00 back in my chip stack so I have a zero risk amount at what might happen---if I lose.  But if the Banker goes another 8 repeats I will pull down $7,200.00 rather than predicting the cut is coming and continually wagering on the Player because of the consistency of 1's, 2's and 3's as being the most favorable in baccarat, etc. and everyone else was wagering that way.  My 'vision' saw through the player and banker winning/losing hand total point values with their reductions and additions, as well as the 'sections' and 'turning points' as well as what had or had not happened, etc., etc., and with completely clear frame-of-mind, 'vision' produced a opportunity that was coming forth for presentment and I saw it. 

To go into the game with the 'vision' of winning money based upon mechanical pre-scheduled events that I learned from the statistical mathematics of the game through the internet and systems authors, I much rather be selling magical dust in a container, door-to-door with some kind of religious meaning. 

Pressure:  To have pressure from your borrowed bankroll or buy-in funds will be huge and cause you to make extremely poor decisions as well as false promises to yourself that you can make money.  Any and all pressure from personal affairs, business matters and other concerns must be checked at the door or you will be adding huge negativity to your mind-set that will affect you in horrible ways.  Simple.  Period. 

As well, you must have the comfort and safety of a bankroll and buy-in that will not matter in your life if it is lost or dwindles down.  Your buy-in, IMO and experience must be disposable and considered, viewed and handled as 'risk' capital that can be lost without any effect upon yourself for the immediate time.  The pressure and the clouded vision that will happen because you are deficient in the financial end will almost always be devastating to yourself. 

Psychology:  Not easily understood or in fact, believed by most in the gambling arena.  You sub-conscious and your conscious mind-sets are huge contributing factors to your decision making ability at the table.  Believe it or not.  If you believe something because so-and-so put a Voodoo curse at there or sprinkled magical dust on the cards or someone points to the score board and says it will be 'such-and-such' because the other side has to catch up, you are the casino's best friend and the reason they installed those large visible score boards with the multiple roads.  All you will wind up doing is catching a 'dragons tail' with 15 or so winning hands and then losing another 105 hands by following or applying your wisdom you believe you have from whatever it is caused you to win those 15 hands. 

The effect of psych has a terrific amount to do with wagering and the beliefs of a player.  Be careful and 100% conscious of what you are doing and why you are doing something when wagering. 

Here is what it looked like this morning, early--on the way into my business.  Unlike the other day where it was all gloomy and miserable.  Another 2 hours and I lock up my business and head out to the casino.

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It's a new day, it is Friday.  I spoke to H-Money and told him I will meet him at the casino in about 4 hours or so.  I called my retired New York City buddy that plays bac with me occasionally as well!  We are going to do everything we can to get H-Money's lost funds back.  No we are not chasing, we are going to smack the table, yell and scream, pump it up and do everything positive we can to 'over-power' that shoe and bang it out, BIG TIME! 

Like my man says, "U Can't Touch This".  Let's see what happens if I get an opportunity that presents itself for 10 -15 Bankers with a possible 2 or 3 F-7's in the run??  I will throw up $50.00 on all F-7 spots to get table max back on all 8 or 9 spots and $10 or $15 for each for the dealer tip.  I feel it, really do. 

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Well we all started out to the casino.  I come from northwest at about 80 miles away from the casino and my NYC buddy is about 10 miles sourh of me,  H-money is about 60 mies south southwest of it,  the weather turned horrible!!  Ice, hail and then a wet brezzy snow with winds up to 50mph. 

My dispatch night manager calls and tells me the state police called and said they put a wrecker ban on the interstate so that also means we are not allowed to work unless there is a incident that is impeding the flow of traffic.  We also got 2 calls for semi truck roll overs involving haz-mat and a rolled over gas tanker that has to be drilled and gas tranfered to another tanker before the heavy wreckers are allowed to upright it. 

I called h-money and told him welcome to my world this weekend.  Always a bad storm in march after all our snow and ice goes away.  The other day it was over 50 degrees.  Looks like $350k worth of work waiting.  I will pay him $30 per hour instead of the $20 hr my traffic conttol guys make.  LoL!

I just got another call, a semi with doubles trailers just ran off the interstate,  the wrecker service wants us to do the traffic control,  a quarter mile from my office,   i will look at the 'cash sitting there in the ditch' when i head in, after the ice melts from my windshield on my car warming up.

Baccarat on hold.  No doubts.

Here is what happened Friday night into Saturday.

It was pretty nice, spring time just about.  But I did say on this board that t will be one more storm still to come in March a few weeks ago, I am seldom wrong, patting myself on the back, LOL tot he max!  Pretty much the same at the bac table, unless I get stupid--and yes--I do at times!!  :nod:b

Here is what I was referring to at midnight to 2 AM on Friday-Sat.  We all went to the casino and then just about the time we were there, the storm was rolling in.  So we turned around and went home.  Then we got numerous calls about rolled over trucks with spilled haz-mat, etc.  Then the sate police called and text about no work on the highways, etc.  This went on all night.  We have so much work the next several weeks, can't see straight.  In fact, I am pulling H-money away from his business and putting his rear-end to work for me, LOL.

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Here is what it looked like this morning after a complete day of cleaning up!!

Went in this morning to clean up my office yard with a skid loader and front end loader. 
Stopped by this set of doubles with 500 gallons of fuel in the ground and got the info to get the permits to get it out and clean it up.

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A real problem to get out because  it is in a major interstate cloverleaf with 8 ramps to get on and off the I-State, it is sitting between 2 of the ramps. 

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Down the street from my house, finally able to get out of town to head to my business today!  All of our snow and ice was gone before this, it all came from 9/10PM to 4 am or so, Friday/Sat. 

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Work at 4.30 AM.    ;)

Fixing what the motoring public thinks will never happen to them.

Text, play on the phone, drive normal when there is extreme inclement weather, makes perfect sense!!

Why else would they call it a smart phone??

H-money went 5 times to the casino since Friday's cancelled trip.  He has lost about $36,000.00 or so.  Wrong and dangerous frame of mind.  I will post some of the texts later tonight.  So wrong!!

Maybe car service for you two to meet him which will buy you time?

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I have been on the interstate on complicated tractor-trailer recoveries with environmental issues concerning my company, the past several days.  I have no energy or motivation to go to     the casino until Thursday night late--or possibly Friday night.  I know the situation my buddy is in and he feels he has to get his money back from the casinos right away.  It just does not work this way.  I have repeatedly wrote about this stuff and i know what he feels, it happened to me for years in the 90's.  I have been to casinos and won $50k-$75K over $100k and gave it all back and chased the loss of my winnings with huge amounts of my own buy-in funds which is the WORST thing a gambler can do--it does not work IMO, 90% + of the times. 

Never again will that happen to me.  I messed up with H-Money there and my NYC retired buddy, and I lost $15k or so of my $40k win money from the previous 3 nights, the week before.  Not pretty.  But H-Money's was not win money and he is hurting and his business is way down and he is emotional.  Not a good combination. 

I will take some pics of the texts here in a minute from the past several days. 

Please guys---DO NOT let this happen to you---Gambling is dangerous, extremely dangerous! 

H-Money is a good player, but you have to understand the emotional, the clouded vision, the inability to play the proper way, etc., when you lose larger amount of your own money, I am not talking about $500.00 or $1,500 or $3,000.00 gambling.  I am talking about tens of thousands of dollars. 

I have said before many times, you have to have experience with losing money before you can actually win the larger amounts and play with the proper frame-of-mind, or at least know the difference with having the wrong or the correct frame-of-mind, implementing a rock-solid money management system and sticking to a lower buy-in with it being pe risk money and refusing to buy-in a second time, etc. 

Okay, here is my buddy's texts to me.  Some are very late at night and he is emotional.  He even told me he failed at everything the past couple of days.  Not good.  I can't be next to him as we live 75 miles apart and I have my own business and he does also.  He has not been gambling for a very long time and this is his largest loss of his own money.  He says he understands and he promises me that, he will stay away from the casinos, but he does not.  He always tells me when he goes and what he has lost.  His frame-of-mind will not allow him to win, I truly know what he is going through.

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The last text was meant to say., "Stay away a bit, until we go together". 

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Okay, here is my buddy's texts to me.  Some are very late at night and he is emotional.  He even told me he failed at everything the past couple of days.  Not good.  I can't be next to him as we live 75 miles apart and I have my own business and he does also.  He has not been gambling for a very long time and this is his largest loss of his own money.  He says he understands and he promises me that, he will stay away from the casinos, but he does not.  He always tells me when he goes and what he has lost.  His frame-of-mind will not allow him to win, I truly know what he is going through.

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The last text was meant to say., "Stay away a bit, until we go together".

This is baccarat folks. I always keep in mind of this reminder to myself " when the water is boiling, I cannot soak my hands in it." It will burn my hands badly. Gambling is the same thing. When I am losing, I will not chase my losses. I had my fair share of losses in the last 14 years or so.

I feel sorry for your for H-Money, your buddy, and I hope he can regroup and slowly make his money back.

Best wishes to everyone!!

Thanks Ted!  I am trying my best.  He showed up an hour ago in tears.  I do my best.  He took a shower and crashed out.  Told me he knows if he is here in my house, he can't run to the one casino a few miles from his house.  He is convinced that if he keeps playing he will win and win it all back.  Oh lord,  he will learn.

Quote from: alrelax on March 28, 2018, 01:54:09 AM
Thanks Ted!  I am trying my best.  He showed up an hour ago in tears.  I do my best.  He took a shower and crashed out.  Told me he knows if he is here in my house, he can't run to the one casino a few miles from his house.  He is convinced that if he keeps playing he will win and win it all back.  Oh lord,  he will learn.

Quote from: alrelax on March 28, 2018, 01:54:09 AM
Thanks Ted!  I am trying my best.  He showed up an hour ago in tears.  I do my best.  He took a shower and crashed out.  Told me he knows if he is here in my house, he can't run to the one casino a few miles from his house.  He is convinced that if he keeps playing he will win and win it all back.  Oh lord,  he will learn.

H- Money is very lucky. He has his mentor nearby and he should learn from you. Loss is yesterday and like I said, please regroup and go back to the drawing board, Lordy, he needs to learn from the Master. I hope he can learn it from you.

Best wishes,
Ted

Ps. he won't win it back with his mindset right now. He needs to regroup and start it all over. Baccarat can be deceiving and every player should know that there is always another day, week and month to recover the losses. If I may just give my 2 cents.....

Yes, mistakes happen.  In bac there is no way to be successful without bad and costly mistakes, IMO.

Somthing happened to me on the interstate yesterday while working.  Similar to what happens when you win or lose with the wrong mindset while playing bac.  I will explain it and post pictures when i get into my business in a couple of hours.

When in Rome...Do as the Romans.....remember that saying!!!

Well last night, was okay.  Started out a bit bad.  H-Money gets right into it and loses hand after hand.  My NYC buddy is like, 'this shoe sucks, let's wait for next shoe it is hand 60 something'.  I wagered and lost 4 times.  I was like, 'This is going to be a losing night, no fun--can't win one'.  New shoe came.  But I went down to $175.00 with the $700.00 buy in.  I throw out the F-7 a couple times and no go.  The cards were real weak or real strong, in my own classification of them.

No F-7 in the first ten hands, No ties.  And I always see and say--no or low ties (1-2-3) is prime groundwork for F-7.  But I have also found that hands 16-23 are second prime for the F-7's.  I waited out a few hands.  H-Money is banging it hard, winning large bets and losing large bets.  He is strictly playing for the cut/chop.  I begged him to stop.  Every time something really good me up, he would not bet it.  It was all 1's, 2's and a 3.  Then the player comes out with a 13 player streak and I stopped wagering, no one believed in it and everyone lost huge, I only kept the side wagers while they all self destructed.  I wanted to wager player but I did not want to be the one that really ruined their camaraderie they had going, but it was just the wrong way in reality.

I started wagering $25-$50 on the F7 at hand 16 again.  On hand 23 the F-7 hits, I only had $25 on it but it was my fuel.  I pumped it up to $50 on F-7's and 5 hands later, it hits once again.  I hit two more by hand 55.  Wagering every other or every third one.  I won some larger wagers and lost some also.  I actually got up to $4,500.00 in pink chips and a bunch of green in all win money.  I just started on my 1/3rd system and cashed out and kept the $1k and tried again and straight losses of it all.

I was tired going on 24 hours with no sleep and drove the 90 miles to get there.  I could not think.  I left.  H-money actually lost a total of $900.00, he just will not listen and is too stubborn.  Doesn't know how to sit out any hands was his problem last night.

Oh well, I hit the Wal Mart at 2:30am and finished up the Easter stuff for the kids and bought some breakfast for my guys at my business.  Bagels with cream cheese and salmon lox.  Unlike most others that just put their win money back in their buy-in or bank roll and then lose it, I spend mine.  I also stuck $750.00  my 5 year old's American Express debit card account. Reset and Refresh!  ALWAYS.  Don't run back to the casino and wager larger, harder and longer with your win money.  It will haunt you almost every time.

Number one rule; "Reset and Refresh continually". 
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Well, I had to go over and get something hot to eat at the truck stop restaurant place near my place of business for lunch.  I bought a scratch off tix which I only do sporadically, like the Mega Millions Tix I got last week and this week.  Since I won at the casino last night I figured why not.  Wasn't a big lottery win, but it will more then enough pay for the gas and my snacks on the way there and back late tonight! $30.00 profit, LOL.

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You know H-Money calls me up a few min's ago.  He says, "I don't understand it--you make money and I don't, why?"  I told him simply--you win and keep playing harder and harder and faster and faster and you don't build up or reduce your buy-in stack.  All you do is win and keep compounding the win into your buy-in chips and you have no MM System whatsoever.  And, I went over MM Systems with him a thousand times.  He gets into the casino and wins make him crazy, all he sees is a green light on every win and gets all hyped to continue and go larger.  Then he never works his buy-in stack like I do. 

As soon as I win, I live to put my buy-in back in my pocket and then keep working the stack trying to double my buy-in and put it away before I really go to my 1/3rd MM System. 

Not win $300 and then parlay it and win $600 and then keep betting it and when lose it, get mad and chase it back with my own funds, etc. 

Actually, his selection decisions are pretty good for either side.  However, he is totally stubborn, lost and hard headed about MM Systems, putting money away and locking it up, and his repetitive buy-ins thinking he can always come back and recoup his lost money right away.

I reckon it is harder to win after suffering any major loss, basically not only are you are chasing, you are under tremendous pressure to break the current losing streak, it adds to the mental pressure.

What you friend needs to do, is figure out his game plan in advance, MM and bet selection, then set himself a goal target, either a 3rd or 4th of his last loss.  Attempt to recover that slowly,, take a break for a few days, and then attach the loss prior to this.  Easier said than done, but doable with the right frame of mind, adequate BR, MM, mindset and game plan.

If the pressure of prior losses are too great, and he lacks discipline, then he has no chance.   

We went last night and started playing.  Got about 15 mins into it and my night dispatcher calls me for a semi truck roll over on the interstate. 

I played the first 10 hands of the shoe we started.  I felt fortune 7 and played it 8 times out of the past 10 hands.  I tell h-money I have to go and asked him to come help me.  He said he wanted to gamble.  As I was walking away the next hand was a fortune 7!  I can't believe it!!

I been out on the interstate all night.  H-money kept texting how he was losing and of course blamed it on the dealers, lol. 

Real ugly what happened last night when i left the casino to work on the highway!  Real ugly.

H-Money can't stay away from the casino.  I told him, pleaded with him and even attempted to take his debit cards and bankroll away.  I screamed and yelled at him and talked until I was blue in the face, I leterally turned red screaming at him the other day.

Before I started including our results from the casino play with H-money and my other occasional NYC retirn cop friend here in the midwest, H-money was a sporadic, go and win or lose and able to 'reset and refresh' type of player.  I say occasional, meaning once or twice a week, and minding his full time career/small business, etc.  But after that one plunge with losing over $10k of 'non-win' money, he went overboard. 

I seen it alot, just not real close to all the others or many years ago, the others had huge bankrolls and large bsuinesses where $25-$75K losses meant bascially nothing.  However, they were able to regroup, forget, set-aside their losses and continue playing with clear and fresh vision and minds.

H-moeny is close to me in all other aspects of life outside the casino and he is not a long term expereinced bac player.  That is the huge problem here.  He is lucky his kids are grown and has no little kids like I do and week-to-week dependant things that he needs to attend to.  I know that is vague but I have huge responsibility outside the casino and to myself, employees--a bsuienss to open by 7am, clients, etc., and all of an emergency nature due to my business. 

I had a huge job on the interstate yesterday and we were all at the casino Friday night after an okay samll win on Thursday night.  I played the first 10 hands or so and had to run to handle an all night job on the highway worth $50k.  H-money was dead-set to stay and win money at the casino.  He actaully won around $5k or so and then lost $15k all hyped up and chasing his lost win money and all the other money he is stressing over.  Please learn from this because  it is so typcial IMO, not fun and not very nice is every way. 

I had to cut out yesterday afternoon when I completed my 20 plus job on the highway.  I even called H-money and told him I would pay him triple time at a $20/hour base rate to dispatch today, Easter until Monday.  He said he didn't feel like it.  I have to spend Easter with my little boy, Easter egg hunts, movies, game arcade and all his stuff he loves that his mom will not do for him, as she is too busy with her new restuarant, etc.  We have another large railroad accident job going on and I have to have someone in the office to dispatch and run the place with my equipment, log books, contractor updates and updating the client which entails receiving pictures by cell phone, resizing them, putting them into our formats and sending to the client, etc.  But rather than make himself comfortable in my offices and make $60/hour, he rather sit home, dwell over his losses and cry.  His kids are grown like I said, his business is zip on holidays and weekends.  He simply became dangerous.  It hurts but I can't be with him 24/7.

Quote from: Lugi on March 31, 2018, 02:19:00 PM
I reckon it is harder to win after suffering any major loss, basically not only are you are chasing, you are under tremendous pressure to break the current losing streak, it adds to the mental pressure.

What you friend needs to do, is figure out his game plan in advance, MM and bet selection, then set himself a goal target, either a 3rd or 4th of his last loss.  Attempt to recover that slowly,, take a break for a few days, and then attach the loss prior to this.  Easier said than done, but doable with the right frame of mind, adequate BR, MM, mindset and game plan.

If the pressure of prior losses are too great, and he lacks discipline, then he has no chance.

Welcome to the forum.  You sound like you have some experience at Bac.  We need some new faces and input here!

I hear what you are saying!  I have about 35 years or so playing, never was a full time gambler that forced himself to make a living off gambling.  However, I won and lost larger sums of money at times.  The past 15 years or so I realized the correct way for myself to play Bac and be able to make some side money from it.  I do win and I win conserdable amount more than I lose.  I handle my win money the way that works for myself and it pays for plenty in my life. 

Unfortuently most other players only add to their bank rolls and wind up losing the win money and their monies chasing back their wins.  I wrote some pieces about 'resetting and refreshing' and my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd MM System that wokrs for myself. 

H-money will not stop, refresh or reset himself in any way.  So many on the internet talk about wins and building larger and larger bank rolls and upping their levels of play,etc.  IMO, all fallacy and saounds good, but almost impossible.  All good if they do it, I just have too much expereince and exposure to the casino to know what can and can not be realistically accomplished on a regualr basis of play.

It is extremely easy to write about it and plan, but when you are in a casino--it is another world by far!  For everyone.

I have pictures to post in reference to my last couple of posts but cannot from where I am at get them online.  When I am back in my office on Tuesday I will, thanks, Glen.

If I have to, I will get H-money to self-ban himself from the two local casinos in our 100 mile radius here.  I have ways to get him to do it and might have to resort to those to get him to take the time to regroup.  I don't want to do it but i am running out of options.  I will talk to him this week about it.  He tells me one thing on the phone or even in person, then his demaons take over.  He reminds me of people I knew with their cocaine habits back in the 80's and the 90's in the northeast before I moved to the Midwest, that lost their multi million dollar businesses.

Quote from: alrelax on April 01, 2018, 12:00:19 PM
So many on the internet talk about wins and building larger and larger bank rolls and upping their levels of play,etc.

Think about you wrote,  "upping their levels of play", major failure!!

If you are in the position of building your bankroll, YOU STAY playing AT THE SAME LEVEL.  When you start stepping up your regular chip size, were betting say 9 units at the lower level may be a easy bet to place, betting 9 units at an increased level, changes everything, you might balk, back off, not make the bet, your comfort zone changes totally.   PLUS you are doing exactly what any casino wants you to do, they want you to bet more, making bigger bets, because no matter how lucky you get today or tomorrow, then will have you sooner or later.  Nobodies luck lasts forever, losing clusters can start from the very next hand, then you fall apart along with your game-plan.   

If you're building your bankroll, having more units at your disposal will make you emotionally stronger, increasing your level of play is fraught with unnecessary risk (risking many prior winning session in the one session) and is an emotional game changer.

Quote from: Lugi on April 02, 2018, 12:21:28 PM
Think about you wrote,  "upping their levels of play", major failure!

You misunderstand what my point was,

And yes i govern my play and replace my bankroll when i win,  i have explained in detail in my blog.

I only up my levels of play when i win.  Othefs do when they lose and chase.

I don't have any reason to build a larger bankroll. 

Quote from: alrelax on March 31, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
We went last night and started playing.  Got about 15 mins into it and my night dispatcher calls me for a semi truck roll over on the interstate. 

I played the first 10 hands of the shoe we started.  I felt fortune 7 and played it 8 times out of the past 10 hands.  I tell h-money I have to go and asked him to come help me.  He said he wanted to gamble.  As I was walking away the next hand was a fortune 7!  I can't believe it!!

I been out on the interstate all night.  H-money kept texting how he was losing and of course blamed it on the dealers, lol.

No matter what, my business comes first.  I have witnessed so many players over the many years I have played, especially in the larger gaming jurisdictions, ruin their businesses over gambling and vices that winning at gambling bring to so many that fall prey to them as well. 

I literally got ten or 15 min's into the shoe we all started and then the call came in to handle what is shown below.  I always go for the F-7 in the first 10 hands or so and yes, as I said--as soon as I got up and walk to the cashier, literally the very next hand was an F-7.  I believe it was the 11th. 

The state police had no extra manpower due to the holiday weekend and as well, the semi tractor trailer was already off the roadway, so we had to do all the traffic control and clean-up, etc.  H-money called me how great the shoe was when I left and all the F-7's but the following ones sucked and how everyone was just playing the 'cut' or following repeats and not playing for the 'cut' when it was making only chops.  That is what the game is, what wins one time around, is what losses when it comes around again, or possible not.  LOL.  But like I said, he started to win, stayed too long, had visions of getting all his money back and then lost another $15k. 

I was out on the highway all night and 1/2 the next day.  Did I want to go, no.  But, if I did not, my mind, frame-of-mind--would have been jeopardized by not going and sending one of my guys to do the task that I really needed to handle in the first place.  Gambling is more than just sitting there attempting to make the correct wagering decisions.  You can say otherwise, but IMO--it is a complex myriad of many things.  You can read on numerous message boards on the internet, how players built up their bankrolls, turned pro baccarat player and are making lavish livings gambling with huge success everyday.  Be careful, I wish everyone could and I hope you most certainly can.  I do rather well most times gambling and losses are far less than my wins--because  I learned what works for me and how I am governed (most times) inside the casino at the baccarat tables.   

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Quote from: alrelax on April 02, 2018, 12:36:41 PM
You misunderstand what my point was,

And yes i govern my play and replace my bankroll when i win,  i have explained in detail in my blog.

I only up my levels of play when i win.  Othefs do when they lose and chase.

I don't have any reason to build a larger bankroll.

It was a generalise comment, not necessarily aimed at you 

Well, here is the continuation from Saturday AM texts with H-money.  Not pretty, be warned.  If you are convinced you can win in the casino and nothing will harm you or cause you to lose and you do not want to face reality---skip this thread! 

And by the way, H-money read a lot of the trash and garbage on the internet prior to even playing bac.  All about wager banker when not sure what to bet and all the published stats and data about outcomes, etc.  All of it.

H-Money is down over $50,000.00 of his own money.  Blood money, not win money.  He keeps playing and playing and playing, dead-set of the mind set he can get all his lost monies back and is not following anything I tell him once he starts to win again--when i am not there.  He can get it back, but not the way he is doing it--not at all.  Just like Friday night when I had to head out to the interstate.  I would have paid him about $1,000.00 to help me over night, but instead he lost $15,400.00.  He actually did win about 5k, but then he goes crazy like 99% + of all players do at the bac table.  Experienced or not, they do.

Here are the texts from H-Money to me while I was out on the interstate blocking off a lane for the heavy equipment, part of my business we do along with the environmental work, etc.  But it was a complicated lane closure on a holiday weekend where the state police are attitude filled, so I had to go and handle that all night.


(When I left to go to the interstate, he called and we talked about the 11th hand being the first F-7.  How the one dealer always gives them to me almost every time and how he can never win with this dealer, etc.  Lately he is starting to blame certain dealers)

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(He is just hung up on certain dealers beating him and blames the dealers now.  But he keeps playing and playing and playing and won't stop for 15 or 20 min's.  He is convinced he can win continuously)

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A simple rule - don't play with bad luck dealer, save money.

REALITY----------------REALITY-------------REALITY

H-Money is well over $70.000.00 down on his savings.  It was not a bank roll.  He used to have a set-aside amount, about $5,000.00 for playing, which in all essence was his bank roll, of sorts.  I say of sorts, because he used to do as I do.  Win and replace and use his win money for other things.  Not, having a $100k + bank roll, gamble all the time, live off of it and increase and plateau level climb and all that stuff.  He used to go to the casino once a week, maybe two times, play reasonable, win and leave and replace the buy in, if lose then when he wins--replace, etc.  But he made far greater money--outside the casino in his own small business.  He saved well over $100k the past years.  He somehow--against everything i ever told him, begged him and taught him--used that money as a bankroll with the idea he would double it or triple it, whatever.  He started to loses I tried to outline within this post from his texts and my witnessing as well.  All for your knowledge and info and alerting you guys to what can and will happen with baccarat, etc.

He used his available funds to gamble with to chase his losses with, while he functioned with the wrong, frame-of-mind.  Simple.  Reality. 

Well he is out of control and I am at wits end.  He will not listen and he still talks about getting back his money and even making money from the casino.  He has convinced himself all he needs to do, is not pay attention to anyone, and just bang it out.  Oh well.

It has been my experience that the most difficult thing in a casino is to find a way to really and truly reset and clear your mind.  When I am not
at the tables is seems so clear and simple.  Every time I look back and replay in my mind,  I can't believe how easily I let myself be distracted

Quote from: mb201333 on April 18, 2018, 04:20:31 PM
It has been my experience that the most difficult thing in a casino is to find a way to really and truly reset and clear your mind.  When I am not
at the tables is seems so clear and simple.  Every time I look back and replay in my mind,  I can't believe how easily I let myself be distracted

You are 100% correct, so few will ever realize or come to terms with.  I finally did about 10 years ago, but refine and define continually and I am close to being the 'near perfect' baccarat player.  (Boy, I know that sounds so obnoxious and so over-confident and extremely wrong, but I have really done it). I think, I have only lost control 2 or 3 times in the past several years out of hundreds and hundreds of live casino sessions. 

The only reason I posted about my buddy, was awareness and maybe it can save one person from going the wrong way, that is---the way 99 out of 100 baccarat players really do go.

Thanks for sharing your experiences and h money's as well.  It's good for everyone to see both sides and learn which one you want to be on.  I hope the best for h money and hopefully regain his focus on his business.  Maybe that will clear his mind and motivate him to improve it as well.  As for myself I have learned a lot over the short amount of time on these forums.  It's been a week since I have played and I am not sure when I will go back but I do want to go there with a clear head. My problem is also getting distracted and I start to bet every hand which seems to be a no no and only profitable on a rare occasion.  I am going to be patient when I play in the future and make an informed decision when placing a bet.  I would always bet the minimum when I wasn't confident in my placement and even at $25 it adds up when you lose.  I used to believe going up $200 was suffice even when my buy in would be $1000.  I'd figured it was better than losing and in some ways that is right but it's not the way to play anymore. 

Nike,

There is a time to win and a time to stop playing.  As well, there is a time not to go to the casino.  I am talking about playing to win and not social or recreational gambling, etc.

You have to be fully conscious, concentrate and have the correct frame-of-mind, in order to have a fair shot against the shoe beating you. 
IMO and experience, it takes a while to understand all of that and have the proper vision to win, that is--when you can win.

This is what we plan for H-Money tonight, my buddy the retired NYPD guy, myself and H-Money going to the casino tonight.  Told H-Money he has to listen to us, or we will embarrass him like he never envisioned he agreed.  LOL  Here is a primer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j3_iPskjxk

On the way with my buddy to go pick up H money his kid wrecked his brand new Honda car last night hit a deer or something we're going to go pick him up and hopefully post some good news here in a few hours.

2 fortune 7s in our first  4 hands!!  I had 75.00 on each one.  H money said no way and only put 10.00 up.   Will post pics later!!

Five f7  first shoe!!

Five f7s first shoe snd 3 the second.  3 of them within 6 hands!  Lol,  H-Money got $15k back!  Will post a few pics later this morning.  can't resize on this tablet so easy. Hit 8 out of 8 in 1.5 shoes....

I announced I was sitting in Seat 7 because  I wanted some F-7's.  LOL, go ahead and make fun, we had a great few hours there!

First F-7 win after a few hands.  H-Money to my right side, dealer waiting on floor approval for his $400.00 tip for the 2 red chips I had side by side with my table max of $50 on the F-7.  Tips over $100 for the dealer (pay out) have to be approved by the casino GM before they are pushed out for us to throw back in, pain the rear sometimes but I usually throw up 1 to 4 red chips for the dealer on the F-7's. 

There is the first one, hard to take the pics--but I try.

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There is the stack after winning 5 of them and a bunch of Banker key wagers.  Before I started to cash it out.  I loaned someone I know a few thousand and cashed out $6,500.00.  Played with the rest for a while.  Buy-in was the black and a small amount of the green chips.

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First cash out while the cashier calls the pit to verify:

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The we went to my buddies house and I made the sauce from scratch and he made the pasta  and the garlic bread.  No sleep, now I came in early to open the business and open it up for my guys to come in and get some trucks and equipment they needed.  H-Money wound up with a bit over $15k win last night.  If he listens and does not run back every day and learns some patience, to clear his head and play with vision and camaraderie and let me guide him, he has a chance.

If not, he will give it all back again and again. 

The sauce we finally got made around 4 am or so. 

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We did quite well with ourselves last night especially with the camaraderie and that camaraderie and itself allowed our winning bet sellections to really pump it up!!  Something that we would not have done by ourselves. Camaraderie and teamwork excels by far imo, than that of  sitting by yourself or with your head down in the palm of your hand with strangers or other players you have conflicting betselection methods with, turning other people or yourself against your own bet selection for one reason or another.

H-Money called me early this morning at 4am and told me he went to the casino yesterday afternoon.  I left the area to go tot he Twin Cities for the weekend until Tuesady and he told me he would not go back until next week.  He won right at $15k in the two shoes we played Friday night and although he is a pretty good player all around, he totally losses it when he wins or losses.  He does not have the willpower or the knowledge or experience to foster his beliefs when you win, it does not always repeat itself and win you loss, your mind changes and your focus and vision or terriably compromised most times.

However, he did win agian and this time was just over $10,000,00 in 3 shoes.  Most of his win was supported by the 3-card 8/9, 200:1 wager with $10.00 on his spot and another spot he was wagering with another player that was not covering it. 

We both tried for it for an entire shoe Friday night and did not get it.  Had to at least set aside $600-$700 to cover that 200:1 wager from the 15th hand on or so Friday.  Never came.  The 2nd shoe we played it came on the 16th hand I beleive it was.  Both of us did not have it on.  I have said in the past, I do believe this is a great wager, if you can fund it with other win money.  But to sit there and wager it, every single hand, I think that is a bad decision to do on a constant basis. 

Anyway, yesterday he hit it 2 times in one shoe and once in the following shoe.  He got up to a bit over $12k and gacve back a little less than $2k and said, he saw the shoe changing and his emotions kicking in.  He told me that and then he left.  So, maybe....just maybe....witht he $25k back now, he is starting to understand. sections and the risk of smaller amounts and if it did not turn anything, forget the battle until all hell breaks loose with total devestation or some kind of substanitial win. 

As well, I has 2 dealers that also play the game when they are not working in another casino, and there likings have shown the 'any 8/7' is a decent wager for 25:1.  I did see that alot the other day and just about always.  To me, it does appear on a more frequent basis than the Panda 8 does.

P.S.:  Here let me answer the 3 to 5 members in advance to save them their time in asking ans stating.  No, we have no math or statiscial calculations and all that for anything I said.  I am merely posting our reality and results from real-life casino play of the game of baccarat. 

H-Money just called me and he went to the casino today again.  Started to win and then he lost and continued losing for the majority of the day and kept buying in and buying in repeatedly. Told me he could not stop, losing $16,000.00.  Sad, very sad IMO........ :nope:

I think he was unlucky to be lucky with those 200:1 shots.

It's quite simple to understand that B/P hands cannot be beaten so easily (or nothing at all), however side bets seem to be fantastic to recover losses or to make fair profits, unfortunately in the wrong hands they lead to disaster more rapidly.

I observed in Vegas that many former huge B/P bettors now prefer to make progressions on side bets. Many of them quit the game after hitting one.
I remember a regular middle age asian woman hitting a F-7 for $800 then leaving the table but making the huge mistake to observe the table and not to go home.
Next hands of the shoe produced the like of 5-6 panda bets and a couple more of F-7s.
She was cursing and cursing and so disturbed to make a second error, that is to join the closest table where a new shoe was ready to be dealt.
Naturally no one side bet came, and no one side bet came on the very next shoe.
At least she was so smart to finally going home losing just a small amount.

Al, how many consecutive real live shoes have you seen without at least one panda or one F-7?
Thanks!

as.

The most was one busy weekend and it was seven consecutive shoes at one table without a single Fortune 7 and the 8th  shoe one came.  The ninth shoe had none and then it went back to two threes and fours as a norm. Panda 8s I think I've seen one shoe possibly two or it was at the end of the second shoe. I've never seen two complete shoes without a panda 8. I've written about this in detail before I've seen plenty of times one shoe without or two shoes.  I don't think I've ever seen 3 without as a frequency as a frequent event. But the most at one time was 7 without and it was at the very end of the 8th one again, that's an infrequent happening for numerous hours at the same table.

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 07, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
I think he was unlucky to be lucky with those 200:1 shots.

It's quite simple to understand that B/P hands cannot be beaten so easily (or nothing at all), however side bets seem to be fantastic to recover losses or to make fair profits, unfortunately in the wrong hands they lead to disaster more rapidly.

I observed in Vegas that many former huge B/P bettors now prefer to make progressions on side bets. Many of them quit the game after hitting one.

I remember a regular middle age asian woman hitting a F-7 for $800 then leaving the table but making the huge mistake to observe the table and not to go home.

Next hands of the shoe produced the like of 5-6 panda bets and a couple more of F-7s.

She was cursing and cursing and so disturbed to make a second error, that is to join the closest table where a new shoe was ready to be dealt.

Naturally no one side bet came, and no one side bet came on the very next shoe.

as.

Side Wagers is a love-hate relationship as you are totally correct and accurate it can come really quick in the beginning or it won't come at all and you keep attempting and losing your Buy in. The way that I learned how to do it that has benefited me well and a bunch of players is to win some money and set it aside and try for 60 or 70% of the shoe if it did not produce them in the beginning and try the last half or two-thirds of the shoe with the side Wagers. However I like a lot of the side Wagers in the very beginning but if it's the first shoe it's going to be money out of my bank roll or my buy in of course and I'm risking that to make some quick money with the large return on the side Wagers.

As far as the 200:1 for $10.00  it only takes $800 to cover the whole shoe or five or six hundred dollars to cover a portion of it if it didn't come out and I really think with since I've been watching it for several months once a shoe or once or twice every couple two three shoes is about the average. I would say out of the last 10 sessions that I have been watching it I would say four five of the sessions produced One every other shoe at the very least and the other five sessions I would say three of those produced two within 3 shoes and possibly one or two shoes without any. I have seen two or three within one shoe and then again I seen one or two or three shoes without any those 10 sessions I would say would be within 3 weeks with those 10 trips. Even before they started the bad beat Baccarat where it's grab the attention of a lot of people the three card eight and three card 9 in the same hand as always wows players cause it's one of those hands that stick out like a sore thumb. It comes frequently and than other times you might not see it.  But it is most definitely a wager that numerous shoes do not go by without seeing it at least once.

He still will not listen, some people are telling him how much he can win and he can get it all back and all he has to do is play.  They are wrong and dead wrong.  Play and play and play and go everyday, is disaster to the max!  Here are the texts I received last night up to 4AM.

Not pretty.  All his win money is gone.  He will not, as most people, take his win money and pay bills, save it and allocate to anything--only icnreases his bank roll with a combat mission to smack the casino for millions.  OMG, same as we did in the 1980's in Atlantic City!

$25,000.00. Plus  $4,000.00 he borrowed from his sister.  Screw it.  Worse than arguing with a drug addict! 


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I'm on the way back and I'm gonna stop at the casino and play and then go home and open the  business in the morning and hopefully I win some tonight. probably play one shoe.  Had a nice bowl of PHO atmy wife's restaurant she gave me a nice bag of food to go for the road and on the interstate now

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Quote from: alrelax on May 08, 2018, 03:27:11 AM
Side Wagers is a love-hate relationship as you are totally correct and accurate it can come really quick in the beginning or it won't come at all and you keep attempting and losing your Buy in. The way that I learned how to do it that has benefited me well and a bunch of players is to win some money and set it aside and try for 60 or 70% of the shoe if it did not produce them in the beginning and try the last half or two-thirds of the shoe with the side Wagers. However I like a lot of the side Wagers in the very beginning but if it's the first shoe it's going to be money out of my bank roll or my buy in of course and I'm risking that to make some quick money with the large return on the side Wagers.

Thanks Al, that's interesting.   

After all, house cannot prevent side bets to come out clustered and players cannot prevent to get those side bets silent for long.
The problem arises when we want to chase the silent world and/or not taking fully advantage of the clustering effect.

Maybe it's more an art than a science.

I'm sure that people lose a lot more money on B/P hands than on side bets for one simple reason:
it's easier to quit the game after winning some side bets (or noticing they are not coming) whereas it's very hard to know how to quit or stay wagering B/P hands that are a lot more probable and thus more dangerous.

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Yes most certainly that is correct. And when you can see extreme value for low-risk and you see it there in front of you as you said it's much easier to walk away with something substantial then sit there and push it back and forth and get sucked in the volatility of the banker player if you didn't start winning and keep winning.

Quote from: alrelax on May 09, 2018, 12:15:46 AM
Yes most certainly that is correct. And when you can see extreme value for low-risk and you see it there in front of you as you said it's much easier to walk away with something substantial then sit there and push it back and forth and get sucked in the volatility of the banker player if you didn't start winning and keep winning.

This, this and this.

The statement enlightened in red should be placed below the "Baccarat Forum" section.

as. 

Too tired to go to the casino and concentrate, Long Weekend up in the Twin Cities just decided to come home and cook a pizza and put some great toppings on it and I'm going to post some texts from my buddy that are really sad and gut-wrenching and I don't think I'm going to give him any more advice cause I'm at wit's end and he does not listen! This has been going on for a couple months as y'all know. I've got other issues to worry about and I gave him too much energy and he's taking away too much from me and I heard that he lost$34,000 total so it would have been $25,000 win money $4,000 from the sister and I guess the $34,000 means he borrowed $5,000 from someone else he knows. A lot of people he knows are all the business people and he hasn't been gambling a long time so they don't know what's going on when he borrows the money.  But anyway that's the rest of the story, I'm going to post the 3 texts soon as I figure out how to send it from my cell phone to my tablet.

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I cut the second picture with the text that he sent me it says, " the reason I buy in I lose wants to get the money back".

Now, I tell him my feelings with brutal honesty and trying to make him stop believing the other arm-chair quarter backers at the table.  He sees these people (all Asians) win $5,000 or $10,000 in a couple/few wagers and then they try to bang the casino--hard and fast and they all lose, every single one of them.  Why?  Because they do not know when or how to leave, NONE of them.  Even if they do that night, they run back the next day, play larger and harder and larger and harder, continually.  Never learn-NEVER NEVER EVER.  No resetting, refreshing, no paying bills, no saving, no making gambling pay off, buy-in, win, win and leave and then give it all back and continue the buy ins.  Win at the casino and play and play and play and play until they lose it all, could be 2 hours, 6 hours, all night or a two day continuous stretch.  It is the same all the time with them all.  Never leave until broke or completely out of available funds.  Hundreds and hundreds and thousands of them.  98% Asians.  I am not biased or raciest, my wife and kids or Asian or mixed, but they suck at gambling, BAD! 

They win enough to buy a brand new Hyundai Sonata or a Honda Accord but they won't go buy one, they are shooting for that Maserati or Porsche, etc.  LOL!  It is comical.  I tell it to their faces and the dealers and floor people crack up laughing and say, "the white guy is right--but you guys don't listen', just the same.  Same as H-Money, same way 110%!  They all have these great dreams and in their minds they are all going to win millions and millions to fund their new luxurious lifestyle. 

Buy in with $1,500.00, win $10,000.00.  Stop, go back down to $1,000.00 or $1,500.00 buy in and forget about the $10k.  Spend it,do  not bank roll it and play at levels that only fuel your senseless and fallacy dreams.  Reset and Refresh, not meaning to take your win and take a break and come back in 30 mins and continue playing.  Completely wrong.  Your mind cannot operate that way.  In theory sure--not in reality.  Sorry math and statistical model guys, not the way it works in a casino.


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Sat down with H-money before for a few hours and finally got into his brain and got it straight from the gambler about how he views lost money and win money.  All I can say is very interesting, very very interesting.

Vision—Consciousness & Recognition of Funds

Whether it is bank roll or buy-in or win funds.  Does not matter.  A portion of players will handle their funds extremely consciously, very intelligent and with the knowledge and constant recognition, that the funds they possess, on the table, in their pocket, or those that are available,  should not govern them in their decision making processes, whatever that may be.  Pretty much straight forward and simplistic to the easiest ABC's and Gambling 101's.

However, I have asked many people that do play baccarat, as to their views and thoughts on 'win' money in particular.  The rest the money situation and how each thinks about it, really is too varied and too complicated to understand without knowing those people 24/7 for huge amounts of time.  So, here it is from the 'horses' mouths as the saying goes.

I asked H-Money the other night.  Me: "Say you won $100,000.00 from the casino and left with it, went and purchased two cars for $50,000.00 each.  Then you went back next week to any casino and lost your payroll check of $1,500.00 that night.  Would you be down $1,500.00 or what?"  H-Money:  "No, I would be up $98,500.00 if that was my second time gambling". 

He further went on to say, "You have to keep a running total in your head, as to the amount you are up or down, because you are free to play if you are still and you have to be careful and play more cautiously if you are down until you get up again." 

WOW!  I actually heard almost that same thing from another two baccarat players that played the game for a couple of years or so.  Interesting!  I do believe that money management systems and thought/beliefs about 'win' money, go hand in hand—with how a player thinks, cashes out and gauges his play/session times at the table. 

I have definitely concluded for myself that 'refreshing and resetting' during the sessions as well as at the end of the session, no matter the outcome (win or lose) is vitally important and in your favor tremendously. 

No 'resetting and refreshing' is extremely dangerous;
Viewing 'wins' as not yours is extremely dangerous;
Viewing 'cash outs' as 'up' money is extremely dangerous;
Running tab---of wins and losses and gauging yourself according to same, is extremely dangerous.

The above leads most players to, 'have to make'; 'have to earn'; 'pressure'; false positive reinforcements'; 'forced sessions to produce'; 'visions that cannot be seen or realized are even happening in front of them'; 'possible reinforcing of negativity or caution that hampers their winning ability'. 

H money returns tomorrow I'll write about what happened last night need to get some sleep I will write tomorrow like I said H money returns.............

H-Money lost another 4 of his last 6 sessions.  Just spoke to him on the phone tonight as well.

He won about $4,000.00 overall, he was up as much as $10,000.00 roughly, he said and then gave back 2 sessions of $3,000.00 each.  He is doing a bit better but could be holding even more of his wins, when he wins.  He just refuses to realize the reality of what happens at a bac table.

He is not unintelligent, just blindsided or plain forgets all basics when he begins to win. 

Let me clarify here, January 19th I wrote that H-Money returns.  We played once together right then and I was going to start to write about him again.  He stopped and did not gamble again until March because our winter cam in and came in real hard here in the Central Midwest.  A few weeks ago he started gambling again.  I have not been with him since, except once in March, which was for a very small session in fact, maybe one hour at most.  He was holding his own, I lost my buy in and left.

We talk, we communicate, we discuss everything we did at the casino if the other did not go along, etc.  He does have a habit of leaving out details when he straight loses and the details is what I am after to understand.  So be it.  I can find out everything if I really want to at the two properties we go to mostly anyway. 

He played 6 times in March, meaning, six trips to the casino.  He was up over $10,000.00 and gave back $6,000.00 is the bottom line for March, so he won $4,000.00.   Since I was not writing about his trips or our sessions, I am recapping it.  I have had a few inquires from regulars on this board about what we have been doing.  Kind of since the break up of the several members that were the most frequent posters on BetSelction whom took it to be banned, moderated or quit on their own and take up space elsewhere.

H-Moneys problem like most players, especially the newer players is the win hold factor or the figuring what to do factor of playing.  Whether boredom sets in or your greed and lust gets the better part of you, you do need to come to terms with it all as I have outlined in great detail.  So many people here as well as within the casino will laugh at what I write, but I know in my heart it is true and applies to most all of us in so many numerous ways. 

The mathematicians and statisticians have a field day with what I say and they are so far off when it comes to the reality that inflicts itself on us all in a casino, at the baccarat tables, it is not even funny.  Just reality.   

Let me clarify a bit more.  H-Money does blacks out, plainly blacks out at the table.  On the surface he is conscious of course, but he is blacked out in my opinion.  He is oblivious to reality.  Reality is where you need to constantly check into every min or two at the very most.  The game is not reality, the game is fantasy.  It is fantasy because it requires nothing but money to survive in it.  The same as a business without good service, product or real meaning.  Like having a storefront, an office with all the amenities, a showroom with no product or services.  And you believe as long as you are there to man it all, you will perpetually make money and have a shot at the forthcoming rainbow of everything.  Your rent, your taxes, your phones, your cable and internet, your coffee service, your cleaning service, and all the other numerous monthly charges and bills.  Your imaginary income with your desired payroll, just magically covered, each and every month.  No real commitments except what time to open and what time to close. 

And thus, not being in reality.  Same at the baccarat table my friends, no darn different, IMO!

The average person there is really not in reality.  He is in his little corner of safe haven, as long as he has money in front of him.  Completely tunes out the world in 99% of all areas.  Complete faith and belief, that the next hand or two or three will begin to make up for his past losses and set the way for his new found riches.  Everything forthcoming.  Everything will fix itself with nothing really to do. 

Maybe that is why I have actually been noticing those player's mouths dropping open when they continually lose hand after hand.   

H-Money, some know who this is and others do not.  I will bring you up to date.  I stopped posting about my friend I call H-Money due to a previous banned member here that was just too outspoken, lied and manipulated his way into things that he had no business or need to be into.  With that said, H-Money has gambled his family savings away in a short order of time.  I wrote about him previously and added many details and trip reports we both incurred as well as H-Money without myself present at the casino. 

With that said, if you know whom I am referring to, read on, if not?you will have to read some of the background on the board here and then you will understand.  Anyway, the past  month H-Money has been hitting the casino hard.  Most weeks he goes at least 3 times a week.  He has won several times but refuses to adhere to any of the money management methods I have showed him and we have both used together at the casinos.  He just plays and plays and plays.  If we are together and we win, he will leave with me.  He has no problem most of the times to stop play and cash out. 

The problem with H-Money comes when he removes himself from the casino and he is not with someone or not working at his business.  Then it sets in.  He needs the action, at least he tells himself that in such a way he convinces himself he can win additional money.  Even when he is at the casino, he continually tells himself this while he is playing, losing or winning, does not matter.  He continually reinforces himself with positive statements and believes, no matter what.

He pretty much risks $1,500.00 to $2,500.00 a week.  I will say, when he wins at least double what he has on him or bought in for, he will leave.  Sometimes, a bit better than in the past he will pay his bills and set aside a bit of cash for later in the week.  But if he does not hit that double mark or greater with a win, he will continue to play and eventually lose everything he brought to the casino.  Every time.  He just has that average Asian gambling mentality, that he can absolutely beat the game. When he is not in the casino, he is a different and much more rationale person about it all.  But put him in a casino, everything changes that quick, to this day. 

His new line to me is, man I am dying Glen, I am dying.  Help me get out of this.  That is what he says, and he says it repeatedly.  I tell him, plead with hi, to cut down on his play and concentrate.  He is a good player in theory, style and wagering, but he just has the mentality that he can change everything with the upcoming hands of each shoe. 

Last week he called me up early on Saturday morning, around 7 AM or so.  Told me how he lost $4,600.00 at the casino during the night and how he seen it coming but could not control himself.  I asked him if he was still going to gamble, he said of course and had no plans to stop.  He even told me he was borrowing money and collecting some that people owed him later that night and wanted to go to the casino on Sunday. 

He even admits to me now about how the Asian mentality and the Asians are typically thinking when they play the game.  Yet, he falls right into the trap he is knowledgeable about and exploiting for sake of conversation.  The more he plays and the more he loses, the more he convinces himself he is excluded from everything he learned.  LOL!  I laugh at him and he tries to justify everything he does with his knowledge and experience and he keeps telling me how everything will change. 

And by the way for those of you that think H-Money has had his privacy violated by me, you are assuming the furthest thing from the truth.  He is very knowledgeable of my message board and forum activities as well as reading the board.  He has no problem with it and there is zero issue.  Just thought I would throw that in since another likes to read what I write, turn it around and make accusations that are completely false, fraudulent and just plain unintelligent. 

I have nothing against Asians, the mother of my children is Asian and she is my wife.  Accusing me of being racist and anti-Asian is the most ridiculous and ludicrous thing one can say.  But the truth is, numerous Asians at every where I have played are among the hardest core, worst and most degenerate gamblers I have seen.  I put some whites and a few other races of players right there also, but the magnitude of the mentality of the Asian gambler, is shown exactly by my buddy whom is extremely smart and successful in many of his walks of life, except his baccarat play.  Plain and simple.  He takes a beating and he continues and thieves for additional beatings without saying the word, mercy.   

H-Money calls me this morning.  All upset and pissed off.  LOL!  I kinds knew what was coming and without saying anything, there it came in a minute. 

He tells me, that he went to the casino last night.  Brought $500.00, $300.00 was his and $200.00 from his other friend, actually a part-time employee of his from his business. 

I stopped him right there.  I repeated myself to him for the millionth or so time, he needs to calm down and rethink his play.  He needs to get the desire to make money and set things straight, clean out of his mind.  Because that is exactly what he is constantly doing.  I know this 100% because of his own admission to that and his own confessions. I do not assume, he tells me, I know him, etc.

Anyway, he continues probably never hearing much of what I told him.  He says how it was all Banker with one Player and then Banker and how he was going with the Banker instead of following everyone else for the cut wager.  He said he got up to almost $3,000.00 or so and then it goes to all chop. He then tells me how he was wagering for the Players side at that point because he just knew the Players would have to start making doubles or triples or even a streak or two. 

I asked him, why do you believe things like that?  And H-Money tells me, without hesitation, because that is what it normally does.  I asked him to define, normally.  He pauses, hesitates and then says, you know most shoes it does.  Once the Banker makes so many winning hands then it will switch to Player winning hands.  I said, really.  H-Money defended what he just told me in great detail with examples of how there are heavy Players side wins and then it will go to Banker side wins, etc.  He flip flops back and forth and explains it all to me.  Then I ask him, what about the times it does not, maybe you were just sitting at the shoes that are abnormal and out of realm, no?  He pauses again and says, he does not know. I asked him, how many times have you seen a shoe end with +10 to +20 of any one side?  He said plenty.  And I asked him, how many times have you seen shoes end with only + or - 1 to 5 or so?  And he answer, plenty as well.  I asked him, how do you know you were sitting at one of those shoes that was going to end with the + or - 1 to 5, almost equal at the end?  And he says, he did not, there is no way to know that he also said. 

So, there we have it.  You know what can happen and you also know what can not happen.  But do you apply that with that knowledge and consciousness when wagering or do you apply one side of it?

So he is kicking himself in the rear for giving back the $3,000.00 or so of win money and then he lost the $500.00 buy-in as well.  He said he went crazy, never saw it and should have walked with at least $2,500.00 of win, plus his original $500.00 buy-in.  Easy to say after the fact, but at the table, an entirely different picture of everything!  I have always said that.

I already know, H-Money had a $10,000.00 or even a $20,000.00 vision there in front of him, he knew he could do it, but once again failed.  Heck, even if my buddy had gotten to the $10,000.00 win mark, he would have then focused on $100,000.00.  It all boils down to that proverbial and infamous saying.  Been There--Done That. 

And until you do, you will still be oblivious while at the Bac table! 

   

No, there is a lesson to be learned here I do believe.  As well, the insight to minds of gamblers should be talked about and explored. 

He is not going to listen to me and I am not his 'wife' or 'parent'.  I agree with you, most people do not really care or learn what others do at the tables.  But in this case since I have in depth and detailed discussions with H-Money, I think putting it out there for all to read is insightful to those that think baccarat is the easy-money street to fame and fortune.

You know, people do not really look at those that lose and devastate themselves.  All they generally look at and talk about, is the high fiving, the larger wins and how half the table of 4 or 5 players profited by tens of thousands of dollars on a streak or two of Bs or Ps the other night at the bac table, etc.

Going with H-Money tonight to a casino.  He has $300 of promo chips expiring in April and only needs $300 to buy in with.  I told him I did not want to go, too much to do.  He begged me.  I told him I would under one condition.  He brings only the $300 cash and he plays with that and I get the promo chips, LOL! :), but true!  And, if he wins double the $300, he has to put 50% away of the win ($300) and he can continue playing with the remaining win plus whatever he has of the buy-in.  And, then every time he gets in excess of $300 win, at least 50% has to be put away.  He agreed. 

I will attempt to take pics and post tomorrow night. 

A little over an hour drive to go pick him up, a bit over one hour to get to the casino, then an hour back to drop him home and about an hour to get myself home as well.  His car is in the dealership waiting for parts, so I have to drive and go get him. 

When someone admits that his own bred of people, Asians, are degen and stupid gamblers, it is not racist or anything of the nature, BTW, LOL.  Go eat some waffles and watch the changing of the guard or what ever the unintelligent junk is they call it. With their cartoon Peter unintelligent-bro hats on, LOL.

Oh Lord, H-Money text me this morning before he got out of his house to go open his business.  He said he had a dream last night.  I will post the text later tonight. 

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H-Money recouped right at $24,000.00 from the one shoe the other night.  I took $18,000.00 right off the table and went to cash it in.  I held it for him with making him to stick to 1/3rd of the $6,000.00 win in front of him plus his buy in. 

He got up to $11,000.00 or so of win without his buy in, using my 1/3rd Money Management Method and then went went down to $7,500.00. Then I told him I was leaving and he agreed. 

His total recoup was right at $25k to $26k with his buy in put back away as well.

It worked.  Thank the Lord!

We are unwinding (as others say, LOL)  H-Money, myself and another family member still up after the midnight to 5 am outing to the casino for the second night in a row. 

At the house made some pasta sauce (Sunday Gravy) with a 2 pound package of Linguine.  My base gravy form scratch, canned Italian Roma tomatoes squeezed by hand and everything else.  A whole 2 pound package of mild Italian sausage, etc.  Came out pretty darn good, no great!  Huge bowls for each of us.  H-Money the commie does not like Parmesan on his pasta so his is without. 

Oh yeah, please understand the sauce highlights the pasta, not inundates it!   

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Well back to H-Money now!

We have not been playing as much as we used to for two reasons.  1)  H-Money cut back some; and 2) I moved a little bit away from where he is at with the restaurant/bar I bought and am consumed with. 

So, here are some texts to get the subject matter going with what happened since Friday and into Saturday. 

H-Money called me earlier in the week and wanted to hook up and go to one of the casinos we used to go to.  I told him Thursday night and he agreed, but later changes on Thursday to Friday during the daytime because he has his manager out on Thursday and had a night job for replacing a restaurant kitchen HVAC system most of the night. I had extra help so Thursday was good for me.   So, I wound up going Thursday night late and he never showed up and told me he would go Friday during the daytime.  I could not go Friday until really late.  He winds up going Friday and loses and then goes back with a smaller amount of cash Friday night.  There is the text from him. Friday night he called before I text him back at 10:30pm or so.  He said he had $600.00 left.  I told him to divide it up into three sessions.  Concentrate on double $200.00 at least twice, two times each.  I wanted him to have $1,600.00 out of four wagers. 

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So, H-Money does not text me until I am already home and on my couch,  The casino he is at is a good--solid 2 hour drive from where I am at, if not pushing 3.  There is no way I can do it really.  I wake up from a short nap and text him.  Below is the series of texts.  Told me he was hitting a bunch of Fortunes 7s, but that win money was basically just keeping him afloat.  He told me he never got up over $1,000.00 win money, but then kept buying in or being even, still never over $1,000.00 win and I know H-Money, even with his buy ins back in a stack and $1,000.00 win, that is not enough for him to leave if I am not there with him forcing him to cash out and leave. 

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Then after another hour or so, he is down the $1,000.00 win money and ,lost about $3,000.00 of his own money.  My text referring to 'Amy' is another restaurant owner of an Asian restaurant and she is a great player, except her friend is widely known for wagering against anyone betting anything of decent size or on a win streak.  Most people will not even play at the same table as Amy's friend at these casinos.  There was only 2 or 3 people there all night, I know why but rather not say here.  Then after a little bit, tells me he is into the casino losing $5,000.00 of his own cash, and of course he gave back all the wins.   

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I forwarded these four texts to my email to download and post today at almost 5:00 am when I did that and off to bed for a few hours.  I talked to H-Money a little bit ago.

Let me clarify a bit more.  H-Money does blacks out, plainly blacks out at the table.  On the surface he is conscious of course, but he is blacked out in my opinion.  He is oblivious to reality.  Reality is where you need to constantly check into every min or two at the very most.  The game is not reality, the game is fantasy.  It is fantasy because it requires nothing but money to survive in it. 

The average person there is really not in reality.  He is in his little corner of safe haven, as long as he has money in front of him.  Completely tunes out the world in 99% of all areas.  Complete faith and belief, that the next hand or two or three will begin to make up for his past losses and set the way for his new found riches.  Everything forthcoming.  Everything will fix itself with nothing really to do. 

H-Moneys problem like most players, especially the newer players is the win hold factor or the figuring what to do factor of playing.  Whether boredom sets in or your greed and lust gets the better part of you, you do need to come to terms with it all as I have outlined in great detail.  So many people here as well as within the casino will laugh at what I write, but I know in my heart it is true and applies to most all of us in so many numerous ways. 

The mathematicians and statisticians have a field day with what I say and they are so far off when it comes to the reality that inflicts itself on us all in a casino, at the baccarat tables, it is not even funny.  Just reality.   

So, the bottom line is, H-Money never got up more than around $1,000.00 with the few good hits he managed to make during his session.  He eventually lost another $5,000.00, probably more like $5,600.00 I think--by the time he was ground down by the casino.

His largest problem is, burn out coupled with hope to get back previous losses.  Which plays and plays and plays upon himself, especially when he wins.  Then when he begins to lose, his mind set really goes sideways and he plays super impatient and extremely narrow sighted. 

H-Money fails to remain totally consciousness and focusing on Factors and Causes.  That is IMO and extensive experience of gambling with him.

The causes are in the middle and are surrounded by the factors.  H-Money fails to recognize any of the factors and which way he is heading while he is gambling.  Sad, but 100% true.   

I offered to help H-Money the other day and he is reverting back to the same old H-Money he was prior to a couple of months ago when I helped him get back around $25k or so.  He enters the casino and everything he talks about before just goes by the wayside.  Sad, but absolutely true. I talk to him until I am blue in the face outside of the casino.  He looks at me and swears up and down how he will apply what we discuss the very next time.  At the casino, it is most of the time embarrassing as heck to physically enforce or apply what he accepts and what I do for my own M.M., etc.  Sometimes I am able to and when those times are accomplished, he begins to understand.  But his wall of confidence, unknown risk, risk what what already won to wipe out all the previous losses, etc., etc., and so on, overwhelms him. 

He does not fall into the trap of following others, bad when they are on a super good win streak.  But he will eventually forgo what he was believing in or attempting to accomplish with whatever series of wagering or progressions he was on.  That is the downside.  And to make it worse, he will reduce his wager, hit a couple and then pump his wager right back up and the losses come once again. 

I attempted to show him how important money management methods are and how to divide up winnings into 1/3rd or 2/3rds hold and 1/3rd additional fuel for the current buy-in stack.  He does it with me there but now just haphazard, stack it all up in front of you, shoot for the moon, focus on making up losses and buy-in with additional buy-ins if you get wiped out.   

This morning he calls me about an hour ago.  He took $800.00 to the casino last night and got wiped out again.  Told me he got up right around $2,000.00 with his buy-in and then went down to a couple of hundred.  Then once again got back his buy-in, doubled it and he said he was wagering extremely small and winning everything he placed.  Then he increased his wagers and lost 2 or 3 for every 1 he was winning.  Got wiped out and told me, "I totally did not even realize what I was doing". 

H-Money went to the casino last night.  Tells me he arrived there at about 2:00 AM and was a full table all 12 seats having players in them with at least 15-20 people standing wagering over their shoulders in each of the other spots.  The one table holds up to 36 players able to play at one time.  Anyway, his friend is playing and everyone was smacking the casino winning most hands for about 10-15 hands or so he told me. 

Then everything changed.  After talking with H-Money for some time, he finally tells me they we all constantly wagering for the classic 'CUT' on just about every hand.  Which of course it was doing.  Then like I said, after about 15 hands or so, it got super strong and was repeating everything, Bankers, Players as well as the chop and doubles.

He said just about everyone continued with the 'CUT' every hand and then switched up to FLD's (following the last win presentment).  Just about the time they did that, the shoe switched back to the 'CUT' once again.

About 6AM nearly all got wiped, a few walked away with something he said.  H-Money brought $500.00 to play with and lost that.  He had another $600.00 on him and he lost that.  He hit his cards and pulled another $900.00 and change after paying the $40 or so monstrous ATM cash advance charges because of the machine's limit, etc.  He wound up losing it all. 

Admitted to me he could not control himself and was literally chasing his lost $500.00 from the very beginning after giving back about $1,000.00 or so of win money he quickly received in just a few hands.   

I just got a phone call. H-Money went to the casino and he got up well over $7,000.00 and he stayed and stayed and stayed.  He gave back all his innings and his  $2,200.00 buy in money.

And he told me he knew better and he told me he was totally conscious of it but he just was had some vision that he was going to win a heck of a lot more. And he says as he went down hill he totally was convincing himself, how every other hand he was going to get it all back and get back on the winning streak and it never ever came.

I have no words, I'm out of words for the situation. And I see it almost every time I go to the casinos with known and unknown players.  Never ever  changes and it's so visible and so blatant!

H-Money up almost $8,000.00, well over $7,000.00!  Such a shame.  How H-Money and countless players BLACK-OUT while playing. 

To myself, this is the single largest problem.  They tune out the world in the wrong way!

I have written about this so many times and so often just blasted by the so called experienced and well known messaging board members. 

Please, if you are serious about gambling and playing, read this stuff and learn, tuition free-tutor free-system publication charge free, etc., etc., etc., and so on.

Stop being overwhelmed and consumed by the wins and/or by the losses.  You cannot play at a casino that way.  You will only harm yourself just about all of the time. 

Be conscious, be completely clear minded, be oblivious to the outside world of cell phones, people, thoughts, systems, statistics, fallacies and what has happened in the past and most of all, be conscious as to what is happening at the very moment without attempt to change or convert the presentments coming. 

Win and revert.  Period.  Be aware of and 100% conscious of your Level & Plateau, <<<<<Vitally Important!!!  Use progressions and employ a stop loss with something around 1/3rd of your win money.  And by the way, the first round of win money replenishes your buy-in with 2/3rds locked up.  That way, you only lose 1/3rd or so of a win.

You must have a Money Management Method that governs your play with the replenishment of your buy-in and some type of hold on wins.  You must know and be conscious of your Level & Plateau in relationship to your gambling endeavors. 

H-Money and myself went to the casino late last night. And I laid down the groundwork and I told him the rules are seven positive progressions of 1-3-2-6 and that's it no matter what. That's all you're going to play and I'll play along and do something else but that's what you're restricted to and he agreed.

The first one he lost $150 and the second one he lost $75.   On the third one he completed got $900 win money. The fourth one he completed got $900 win money. The fifth one he lost $75 on.   And the sixth one he won and got $900 win money once again.

The results were $2,400 net win and he lost $300 and he won $2,700 the way we marked up the scorecard.  He walked away with $2,400.  By the way the reason that I set the $75 as the base unit, was he had $900 to risk and I showed him and convinced him and I made him do it.  Yes he could have lost the entire $900 but chances are out of doing it six times if I could help govern him, I felt he would have profited something and that was his sole way in figuring out what to bet as far as the progressions or flat betting or anything along those lines.

I still love with other things happening if they're positive, the 1-3-2-6 progression.

H-Money wagered $8,000.00 on the 49ers just now.  He did get +2 . 

H-Money increased his wager to $11,000.00.

I must say that was pretty darn fast, what everyone screaming over here is saying boom boom boom. Done deal,  that was a lightning quick seven points running that ball down in the second quarter for San Fran!

San Fran exploding!  I must say that's some exemplary touchdowns!

Needless to say my buddy"s a little worried at this point! Of course they only need a field goal and they would cover with the points but they ain't going to try for no field goal they're going to want a touchdown or nothing, my opinion.

Sorry H-Money I'll say it now with a minute and 20 seconds left unless a miracle happens some guy comes out in the purple robe with yellow moons on it with a pointy hat and the magical wand,  does not look good buddy.

H-Money's sister put $7,000 on the Chiefs and she just finally showed everyone the ticket, she didn't say anything cuz she knew what her brother put, oh well it is what it is.....

Her ticket for $7,000.00 on the Chiefs yesterday:

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H-Money took the casino house for a bit over $50,000 last night on a $4,500.00 buy in. Details later.  Congrats to my buddy!  :thumbsup: