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#571
Quote from: Albalaha on May 09, 2013, 06:55:05 AM

You claim to be a dispersion killer and running away to see the dispersion. If you have any real approach that can work in such bets, write that clearly, otherwise try your luck somewhere else.

Al,

"You claim to be a roulette winner and have "beaten the game".  If you have any real approach that can work in such bets, write that clearly, otherwise try your luck somewhere else."

This would be known as "turnabout is fair play".

AD
#572
Quote from: Albalaha on May 08, 2013, 05:24:58 PMnot prove anything serious.
           Ggasoft, Adulay and Flat_ino, if you feel you can play and beat this, prove your methods upon the entire data. If the method is really workable, that will win another number having similar traits too. If someone reverse engineers this data to get a fake win, he will be exposed very easily.
          A method that wins good performing number and that can handle the worst too, is truly difficult. I have yet to see any in any of the forums.

Al,

  (sigh...)

  I've asked you several times for whatever the next worst number is to VALIDATE my previous solution to your silly challenge.

  As you've already "defeated" roulette (by your own words) I'll just assume you're tossing this innane challenge out just for grins and giggles.

  So, I've showed a profit on your challenge.   I'm still waiting for whatever the next losing number is to see if MY solution is valid.  Get your act together and post up the next number that desperately needs to be beaten down in the Great Albalaha's Roulette Challenge (and goat rope) of 2013.

  I'd hate to put out something that you didn't approve of.

  Oh yeah, the local indian (Native American) casino just paid for ANOTHER new Glock 21 for me.   But alas, it was baccarat and not roulette that did all the "work".

  AD   
#573
I personally will have no problems with it as long as the GAME is still hand dealt.

The individual terminals just makes it that much easier for me to play and keep track of what I need to do without the distractions of being crowded out or smoked out.

AD
#574
Quote from: Albalaha on May 05, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
Captain,
        You have only told the results without telling anything about the methodology.

I not only told you the results, I told you exactly how I arrived at it.   Re-read my original post on your board.

Quote from: Albalaha on May 05, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
Those results may be imaginary because you claim to beat it with flat betting, which is quite indigestible . . . .

It may be imaginary to YOU due to your incorrect deduction based on an improper logical fallacy.  You just can't believe it was flat betting, eh?

Quote from: Albalaha on May 05, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
If you have really beaten this (even with slightest profit) with a sensible approach which someone will use on a straight up bet, why are you shying away to show that to all?

Why am I "shying" away?   Why, to get you all excited because at least two people have already solved your innane "test" and it's bugging you that you can't see it!

PLAY IT LIKE A TOURNAMENT using your previously posted rules.

Quote from: Albalaha on May 05, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
So far, nobody has done anything to go near beating this data.

Say what?  At least two people have "solved" this incredible time waster as we type.   

Feels funny to be on the other side, doesn't it!!

Anyway, what you fail to see is that your "challenge" is totally unrealistic.   Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is about to chase a single number and being told in ADVANCE that this will be the worst possible number in 15,000 spins makes it so far off base that a I'm amazed anyone events thinks about trying this.   It's pointless and fits into no reasonable gambling scenario, especially given the original parameters of the "challenge".

So, I'll try to exit this discussion gracefully with the following recommendation. . . .

Play it like a tournament and beat the silly "challenge".

AD (too much fun but done with it for now)
#575
All,

  Well, maybe not right away, but it's coming, bet on it.

  Stadium type table games are basically a live dealer and a "stadium" of live betting terminals.

  Think of it as a lot like those 8 station roulette machines you may see, but with "extra" seats.

  How many?   Well, there are currently 4000 or so stadium seats available in Macau and they are forecasting upwards of 6000 available player stations in the next 5 years.

  Why "stadium" type of roulette, baccarat, sic-bo?   Look to the MONEY, of course!   At a normal 7 station baccarat table, you get 7 players against one shoe.  At a stadium type of live baccarat tabel, you can have 50 players all on the same live shoe!   It's a no brainer for the casino.

  All that and the dealer's no longer have to handle any of the money as it's all done right at your personal terminal.

  So, if you've been wondering what the direction of table games are, simply look to Macau and it should be obvious.

  AD (article summarized from the Macau Business Daily)
#576
Quote from: Albalaha on May 04, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
  Whoever claims to beat it, be it Adulay, Flat_ino or Greatgrampa need to illustrate their idea working on this data openly here. Otherwise, the claim to beat it with all these abovesaid methods, can be safely considered as imaginary if not false.

Al,

  I do believe I explained it on your own forum.

  The actual solution came from my craps playing brother, the born loser.  Once he explained it to me, it made perfect sense.

  Using your rules as posted, the solution was to play those 15,000 finite numbers like a tournament.

  I've already given you the results (posted) in another thread.

  What more would you like for this unrealistic challenge that seems to be your current focus?

  AD
#577
Are you able to wager on these games "straight up" or are there any points or goals that need to be accounted for?

AD
#578
Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 03, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
For 15,000 spins that you have shown here, max bank roll required was 36 units for me. There were 14 betting opportunities. 10 of them won and 4 of them lost. Final unit count was +5 units.

Finally, what's the point. it's a total time waste, as you will never find the holy grail. There is a reason why it is called a holy grail.

Very cool!  Now at least two of us have "solved" this excercise in futility.

AD
#579
General Discussion / Re: A Serious Bot Question
April 28, 2013, 02:05:34 AM
Quote from: Superman on April 27, 2013, 06:32:38 PM

The way I have my bits setup is like this, for any customer I send a setup tool which just spins the game reading an AREA for the last spun result, it spins and spins UNTIL it has either 36 on NO ZERO or 37 numbers on european roulette, when it has seen all of the numbers it asks the user to assign a number to each snapshot it took, this all gets written to an ini file like this

3655294628=6
1100174932=4
4284120404=13
474124401=35
3019337551=17
3067779567=20
1365523777=27

The long numbers are the actual checksum of the rectanglular area the number is printed in, the =17 is that that checksum value is number 17 so when the bot plays it gets a checksum of THAT area and checks the ini file for what that checksum actually is number wise.

that's the basic function for the bot itself, I also have what I call a whatbet file, this file can be changed to any method/system we can come upw ith so that's the onyl file I ever need to change for a new bot, in total I have 4 files MAIN, GETNUMBER, BETLOCATIONS and WHATBET all caled via #include BETLOCATIONS holds all the x,y coordinates of each bet location for the table in question, as I said before, the main file does all the main bits n bobs, it finds/locates the game window, gets its sizes/coordiantes on the screen and sets it active before the bot actually does anything.

Hope that helps

Aha.  That makes sense.  Giving a checksum to a previously detailed number or "symbol" seems correct.

So, not only can a "number", as it were, be determined by pattern and therefore pretty much anything on the screen can be identified, assuming its position on the screen remains constant.

My thanks to all who answered this query.

AD
#580
General Discussion / A Serious Bot Question
April 27, 2013, 03:51:16 PM
All,

   I have a question that may have consequences down the road, assuming the stars align and all that.

  The question is:  What are the primary duties of a bot with regards to your roulette programming?

  Are you placing individual numbers?  Reading numbers?  Reading results?  Reading a screen position?  Multiple positions?

  Approximately how many "spots" or "areas" do you have to monitor to get the data you need to perform any calculations and place a wager?   That last question is probably the main one I have at this time.

  I currently have no need for a "bot" and don't forsee one in the future but knowledge is golden so I'm asking in preparation for an idea session that's coming up.

  If there is a link to a "bot" wiki or something, I'd like to take a look.

  AD
#581
Baccarat Forum / Re: An amazed first timer
April 27, 2013, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: Albalaha on April 27, 2013, 03:52:00 AM
Captain,
        You are seriously mistaken the facts.
Uh, you are seriously mistaken on your reading interpretation.

Quote from: Albalaha on April 27, 2013, 03:52:00 AMIf baccarat has a fixed set of cards and after a few cards have been dealt everybody can know which ones are remaining.
I don't believe that's what I said.  I did say that once the first card is dealt, the shoe is set in stone and nothing will change the outcome.  I did not say that everybody knows which cards are remaining.

Quote from: Albalaha on April 27, 2013, 03:52:00 AM
Do not create a new "fallacy" that baccarat is predictable or has more predictability with compare to roulette.
No, I did not say that either.  I believe you are referring to my statement that "trend" players may have a better chance at baccarat than roulette for the reasons mentioned earlier.

Quote from: Albalaha on April 27, 2013, 03:52:00 AMIt could however, be a better game for EC players due to lower house edge.
On that statement we both agree.

Now, on to the subject of baccarat.   I posted up that original message to show people that there actually may be ways to take money out of the casinos by using a structured, well thought out and tested method of play.  I cannot recall EVER seeing a message like the original one where a former baccarat player comes into a roulette forum and expounds to the world that he's now winning at the game.   Has anyone ever taken the time to think about why that is?

We all understand the basics of gambling (or we should) and understand what won't work but we continue to see variations of the same, tired, losing ways of play.   How many ways can you manipulate columns and dozens before you run out of permutations of increasing wagers?   Yet the subject continues to be brought up year after year and has been since as long as I can remember.  (Uh, that's pre-computer for most of you).

I'm not really sure why I'm continuing this discussion, but it's Saturday and the Keurig machine is working just fine so while listening to Armin Van Buuren in the background, I figured I'd just type away.

Enough for now.  All I wanted to do was show that there are people who are excited to learn something and then realize that they were playing all wrong until they were made aware of how to take a different look at the game.  The original statement about how brain dead most people were playing really struck a nerve with me and that's the reason I posted it up here.

AD (I just know I'm going to regret posting this)

#582
Baccarat Forum / An amazed first timer
April 26, 2013, 06:01:50 PM
As a preface to this message.

If anyone thinks this is a spam, shill or advertising type of message, PLEASE ASK ME OR ANOTHER MOD TO DELETE IT.

As this forum is based on "bet selection" and specifically roulette (although the majority of threads are roulette specific) I figure it might just give some people an idea of what others are doing to take some money out of the casino.

We may love to play roulette, but if it's not making you any money, can it really be all that much fun?

I am posting this up here to show what a recent convert to baccarat had to say after finally getting to a live casino to run with his recently discovered talent.  I have edited the post to sanitize any obvious references to where or whom this is attributed to.   I do have permission to repost this message here.

Please note the comment that I had bolded and underlined to show what an intelligent and trained player thinks when he sees the great unwashed masses playing a table game in their usual manner!!

Also remember that baccarat, unlike roulette, is not an independent event type of game.   Once the first card comes out, the shoe is set in stone and nothing can change it during the course of play.  If you are a trend type of player, you seriously need to take a look at baccarat as your game of choice.

AD
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I have only been playing Baccarat Live online but this week I am working 500m from the Sydney Casino ...so I thought that I'd check out the Baccarat tables.

My first impressions...

I've never witnessed so many utterly braindead people doing everything possible to throw their money away. (Edit: The emphasis was mine.  AD) At the $200 min tables...not one single person was using a scorecard FFS! Damn near everybody were betting Ties as a side bet...People walking past the table would just lay a few chips with scant regard for the history of the game...I'm thinking "This is crazy $h1t"

I'm not confident enough to take on the $200 min tables yet so I headed over to the $20/$30 min tables and checked out the Tote boards as I went. I noticed a very small number here using scorecards...but not many at all...maybe 1 person for every 4 tables

I grabbed a few scorecards...first prob was that the Player/Banker were in reverse order...but the cards are horizontal anyway so I turned them vertically and scored as we do here on BTC

Second prob was that the Player/Banker colours on the Tote Boards are the opposite to what I am used to...so, that meant taking a little more care.

OK...Down to the nitty gritty...

I noted a Tote Board on a $30 table which began with... B1222...Pretty obvious to any of us what to do here...so, I jumped onboard playing OTB4LM3...U1D1M2.

I changed modes a few times between M3 and M2 and had to keep an eye on the ZZs... I Had 1 losing 5iar but changing modes took care of the next 5iar.

The upshot is that despite losing the 4 bets on the first 5iar I finished up with a 55 unit win...I gotta be happy with that.

I had a whole bunch of very pi$$ed off people at my table who could tell that I wasn't near as experienced as them...but my chip count was growing as fast as their's was depleting...They weren't happy little vegemites...lol (some tried to follow me in the end...but couldn't understand my betting strategy)

Seriously...anyone on here would have beaten this shoe to varying degrees...The early signs that this was an OTB4L shoe couldn't have been more obvious ...Some would have been on from the start and ended up with a win of over 60 units

BTW: I played the same shoe at home using S40 and finished with a 36 unit advantage...so it beggars belief that everyone else on my table was really struggling...Go figure...I left after playing this 1 shoe before I got tarred and feathered...(that and I told the Missus a little porky pie about me working back) lol...Bad Oz

A point of note: A few things that were really rammed home to me after this shoe.

The 3 most important rules of playing Baccarat...

1) Table selection

2) Table selection

3) Table selection

OK...I know that I was lucky...these shoes can't come around very often...but the thing is that NOR told me to get onboard this shoe and told me how to play it.
#583
Quote from: wannawin on April 25, 2013, 11:20:03 PM
This is pure drivel right?
As pure as the new driven snow.   The number of players at the console does not change the odds at the wheel.

Anytime a player is losing, they WILL come up with all kinds of apparently "valid" reasons for the losses.

Multiple players at an automated wheel is not one of them.

AD
#584
Off-topic / Re: Automated Roulette gallery
April 26, 2013, 05:33:34 PM
That second photo in the first message looks exactly like our consoles at the indian casinos.

AD
#585
Quote from: RouletteKEY on April 24, 2013, 01:41:30 AM
I haven't played EC's for a long time...Can they be profitable?  Probably but if I were just playing those odds I think I would favor baccarat and get away from those green numbers


Hey!  Another guy "gets it" !!

If you're going to play EC, go with baccarat for sure.

AD