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#121
Thanks Albalaha,
Albalaha's  idea, in his other threads,
Of stop betting when particular amount of variance hit is one of best strategy I ever learned.
#122
Thanks Alrelax,
Repetitive betting will stumbled upon deadly permutation, thus we need random to beat random, to produce hit within acceptable negative expectation.

Thanks Gizmotron,
Your idea of "awareness reading",
Filtering out the possible deadly permutation,  and take advantage of streaks.
And as you said earlier,  in another thread, non-streak, also a STREAK, (in its own right, and criss cross chopping alternate with another  visible Streak!)
#123
If we just, say , bet red, for next100spin,
We will also hit by permutations,
THAT have deadly and  marvelous STREAKS.

THUS, we must have a betselection, that seized the streaking to the hilt!

1) betselection that hit within math expectation.
2) betselection that seized the streaks to the hilt.

There are some permutations that won't RTM.
say after 100spins, the blacks will have more hit than thd red

Thus we must
3) have betselection that follow the leader.

The progression must mild, that take advantage of  STREAKY ...

Say, bet 1u for 50spins  ,then 2u for next 50spins...
Thus if the 100 spins has streaky, then will produce profit, if not the losses won't severe.


1u for 50spins,
2u for 50spins,
4u...
8u....martingale, stretcheeeed...


Trillion dollar question again,
Do you have a betselection, that always hit within the negative  mathexpectation, flatbet.

4) mild progression, to avoid huge losses.
#124
General Discussion / Using RANDOM to BEAT RANDOM!
June 18, 2018, 02:00:08 PM
Since variance kills the br,
Thus we need a betselection, to beat random,
to produce an end result THAT HIT WITHIN MATH EXPECTATION!

If we choose to bet, say, only RED, for 100spins,
the worst would be 100BLACKS in row, with zero in between...
(well, the mathboys said that possible, then we don't argue with them, lest...)
And the best will 100 RED in row, (well...)

100reds, and 100blacks in row, are two possible PERMUTATION, out of millions of possible permutations,
And many permutation, if flatbet , will cause huge losses, losses, and little losses, if we flatbet all 100spin, red only...

Thus if 100blacks appeared, then we lose 100units , flatbet,
And if 100reds appeared, then plus100 units profit....
But we never know what permutation, will appeared, in next 100spins.
We need a betselection , that will always hit within math expectation, in every next100spins!

Math expectation=36/37 eu wheel...edge=negative1/37...
(See? The mathboys nodding their heads, can't shriek their lung out...)
Thus expect 3, 4, 5, 6 or more units loss, in every 100spins, flatbet...
(Mathboys nodding again...)


The trillion dollars question,
If we could found a bet selection, that always hit only a few units losses, in every 100spins,
and compounded them with mild progression, virtual losses,  variance avoidance, and simple stoplosss....
Boy oh boy...!!!
#125
After reading thousands of threads debating why we lose...I THINK...
we lose because our methods , strategies, systems, voodoo,  guts, bla, bla, blah...
can't win over certain permutations...
There always one, two, three, or certain percentage of permutations,  that kill our br.

Lest the newbie can't understand. !,,
Here few easy example..

Say , we want to bet martingale for 10bets, in baccarat,  in no commission type...super6.
The  permutations will kill you.

1) Six, that pays half, ruin your br
2) 10 losing streaks....kills you.

In roulette, 10steps martingale.
only 10 losses in row kills,
But with pesky green zero thrown in, there will many permutations that kills

Say , you bet RED, MARTHY...
THE outcomes. ?.
1) 10BLACKS IN ROW.
2) 9BLACKS WITH A GREEN..
3) 8BLACKS WITH 2 GREEN.
4) 7 BLACK S WITH 3 GREEN...(an so on...till 10greens in row..oops! Not me, the mathboys say it possible mathwise!)

And in Labby,
Any rows with less than 33%, will soon take away your upperwear, and underwear....


And.." follow the last", lose when chopping goes on....

Follow second last, lose when the losing permutation hit...

Betting single dozen , flatbet, lose when less than 33% permutations hit
Double dozens, lose, when less than 66% hit...

Thus with whatever method, you devised, there will be certain permutation s that cause losses.

So how to win .?!?!

#126
My half cent...
The HE is for the casino versus the gamblers as ONE ENTITY.
Then..
Why people lose after many session?
Because their strategy or whatever system can't overcome certain PERMUTATIONS!

eg.
Martingale can't stand ONLY ONE streak of loss..eg, 10losses in row.
Labby can't overcome permutation that less than 33%.hits...
Flatbet can't stand less than 50% hit, no matter how long.

Every system or method or strategy you can think out, there WILL BE CERTAIN PERMUTATIONS
THAT KILL YOUR BR.

eg,
Lest you can't understand what I mean.

"Bet only once, red only."
There will  ONLY... three PERMUTATIONS
1) red....win.
2) black ....lose.
3) green...lose.

"BET BACCARAT,MARTINGALE, only enough br FOR 10bets..."
the PERMUTATION, that wipes out your br,
Ten losses in row.
But for roulette, there hundreds of permutation,
As the pesky green create losing permutation too.
eg..

LLLLLGLLLL as an example..

Thus Albalaha is right, its not the EDGE,
BUT LOSING PERMUTATION, THAT CAUSED THE LOSSE$!

Then the trillion dollar question, and the answer that cause
the demise of casino...

How to win by bypassing the losing permutation?

Albalaha already providing the answers, in his threads, but people just brushed it off...

1) avoidance , by waiting the losing permutation to hit first.
2) stop betting, when another losing permutation hit. To avoid more losing.
3) having a filtering system, that always producing hit within
losing math expectation.. (  yes..., losing,.. losing WITHIN MATH
EXPECTATION, or else, the math boys shrieking their lung out! Hehehe )say, next 1000bet flatbet,
Losing 30 to 40unit most of the time.

4) having mild progression, that will profit when STREAKS OF HIT HAPPEN....!
YES, streaks of hit very important, or else,  no progression
can produce profit.
#127
Baccarat Forum / Re: baccarat strategy (matrix)
April 11, 2018, 02:39:51 AM
My half cent,
Wait for  a " rare " pattern in 2rows, then bet the rare won't hit when you see the first row repeat, (bet 1, 2, 4 stop,... but bet only PLAYER in no-commission baccarat,)
#128
Thanks Kattila, for your ideas.
Waiting for special streaks and formation, a good idea, need more brainstorming.
#129
Thanks Han,
Your method using , preset random ,
to bet random, which will adhere to , math expectation. in long run.
If we could avoid horrible variance,  then mild progression, could win constantly.
#130
Seriously,
No progression can win, even with whatever virtual bet, delayed bet, avoidance of all sorts variance, IF, your bet selection, is not stable!
Face the hard painful truth, the hurtful reality, casino has the last laugh because, every method will hit horrible variance, and the gambler lose their upperwear and underwear, sooner or later...


The truth is, we must HAVE, a very stable selection, in medium spins, 300+- spins,

1)the end result will hit around mathematics expectations
Or,
2) in 300+- spins, the horrible variance alternate with winning streaks...


Impossible! ?
Naive!?

Daydreamer?!
Then forget gambling,
Go do honest job, don't ruin your life!

For me, personally,
If I bet EC, at the end, the result lose around 3% after 300spins of bet risked,
We can see variance, streaks, and clustering of variance and streaks.


You test your selection, by bet flat 1u, after a certain amount, preferably 370spins, 37x10cycles,
If in the end,
losses always -3%, then u can assured it a stable selection,
But, if it win huge, then lose huge in next session, then it unstable.

.in stable selection, we outwait the horrible variance, and risked the horrible won't hit back to back.
#131
Thanks Ozon,
I think, we need a stable bet, that hit -3%, in say, 300spins, (or 370spins, that ten cycles of 37spins),

If we can have a bet selection, that always produce only 10+ units, in 300spins, that  stable,
If it lose 50u, in 300spins,
then win 50in 300spins, that unstable.

The certified record for Ec, is, 69hit/200 spins.
That is 62u losses in 200spins.
#132
Thanks Ozon,
Since we have no choice, we could only wait till that destroy ing sequence variance to arrived  first.
#133
And u can change the VirtualLosses parameter to, say , -20unit, then u avoid horrible variance losses, of cluster of losses, or streaks of losses sequences,
We are not rushing to lose money, but wait PATIENTLY, TO BYPASS LOSING SEQUENCE.

Thus betting 1u, till it reach a preset losses, is a simple way  to avoid  horrible variance, and the mild progression, help to win, when streaks or winning cluster arrives
#134
In OVER SIMPLIFIED example.

Progression=1, 2, 3, 4, 5..so on till win.

Bet 1u, virtually, reset at every positive 1u win,


Bet till you have virtual loss of -10u.
(thus u lose, but save -10u, and you avoid the variance)


Then bet 2u, till u win, or -20u losses.(actually, lose only -10u)
Then bet 3u, till u win or 30u losses, and so on...

This is oversimplified example of , avoiding horrible variance,
without need to note down your bet, only losses, in unit term.
#135
So we must have mm that outwait the losing cluster of loser streaks,
And a progression strategy,

that OUTWAIT THE HORRIBLE LOSING IN PROGRESSION!!!

How?
By waiting for the losing in progression, to happen first!
Virtual losing in progression.