Dear Albalaha,
With respect,

How long is long run closer to average expectancy?

I read somewhere,in your threads, it 3700spins for european roulette?
Thanks.

Hi Nickmsi,
Just my 1cent,
(As you, and many members here already know this method,)
If you very sure that your vdw, will have EDGE, in 1000placed bet, flatbet, or even zero edge, or -1% edge,

Then simply play virtual, restart at every virtual profit,
till it show reasonable drawdown,  (without any profit, or losing,
from the begining of virtual bet),then start bet, flatbet till profit.

S141211

You mean you wait for TWO single to happened, then wait for it to happen again

Thus S14, mean ...if bet both side
pb, x, pbpbpbpb ( four set of two singles)

S14 mean, if bet player only...
pxpxpxpxpxpxpxpxpxpx

Hi Sputnik,
My brain can't understand,

Please make a simple example .
Thanks

With respect to all erudite members here,

(The others, please don't post nonsense here)

As we know, till today , there's no selection that can produce positive edge except constant good luck.

And all systems lose because they can't win when bad permutations hit, and no progression can withstand the assault.

Thus we must have a bet selection that very stable, in the mathwise, always produce result that hit within math expectation.

Some of us stressed that STABLE BET SELECTION ....impossible

But then, some say, progression that win absolutely. .also impossible...except martingale with no table limit and infinity br.

If stable and absolute progression are impossible,

then Variance Avoidance,  and Losing Streak avoidance, are the options left.

If both deemed impossible,  then pattern , highly unlikely, back to back occurrence,
Say after 6ds in 6spins, then 6ds in next 6spins , highly unlikely...

Or after 10black, then 10red to hit in next 10spin also highly unlikely...

It just impossible to bet 1000spins, in bm casino ,just to have a stable within math expectation hit.

Even 300spins will take a  whole day , (break for meals and washroom.?)

We need a *stable result*, strategy or method, in says, below or around 300spins,
By waiting for the deadly permutation to pass, deadly permutation is part of randomness,
even fighting random with random, will hit deadly sequences...

Thus how to avoid the deadly permutation sequence?
By waiting and watching for them to appear.... (hahahaww!)
(Seriously, that the only way....for we can't predict future)

and "avoid long losing streaks "
after we start betting after the " variance avoidance strategy", how?
Just stop betting..
(Seriously,  that the only way)


And taking losses with stride,
We simply take losses and sigh,
What else can we think out ?

Hi Sputnik,
Thanks for your posting,
You mean, if we just bet baccarat,
Only play , PLAYER,
then we mark them as S , for single player, and M for series of players,
Then see how it behave.

Thus we have say,
SSMMMSMSMSSMMMSMSMSSSSMMMMMSSSS,

If we only bet PLAYER,
Mathwise, are the probability for "single and series ",of PLAYER only=slightly below 50%???
what kind of variance and the ecart that you had experienced.
Thanks.

Quote from: Nickmsi on July 08, 2018, 01:17:03 PM
Hello Beat The Wheel . . . .

In my opinion,

Take control.  Don�t chase random, let random chase you.

Don�t think in terms of individual spins, think Group of Spins. The VDW is a Group of 9 Spins.

Here�s an example of a Group of 2 Spins:

RB

That�s it. RBRBRBRBRB etc.  It is a fixed bet.  You bet Red the first spin, Black the second spin, Red the third spin, Black the fourth spin, etc.

You will roughly win 50% of the Red Streaks, 50% of the Black Streaks, you will win RB streaks and lose BR streaks.  No hoping, no guessing.  No matter the variance, the results should be the same.  Is this a more Stable Bet?

Nickmsi,
Your thought very helpful,
Now I understand what you mean group2spin,
where the only sequence , in this rb, the loser is streaks of brbrbr...

Thus, in group of 3spins, say rbr, then the loser is streaks of brb...
Thanks.

xrrxrrxxxxrxxx
The red losses all 123, 135, 147, 159 or equivalent.

When 2persons bet the opposite, red and black
Then, 123....
When rrrbbb hit, the red person win, the black also win,

When, 135...
rbrbrb
Both also win

When 147...
rbbrbbrbb
Both win,

When 159...
rbbbbrbbbr...
Both win...

Thanks Nickmsi for your explanation.

As I see it,  if you bet a fixed color, example, RED only,
Then,
The 123 same as 234, 345, 456, 567, 678, 789,
Which are streaks of three in row.....rrr

The 135, same as 246, 357, 468, 579.
Which are chops, rbrbr...

The 147  same as 258 and 369...
Which are rbbrbbr....

And 159 the only rbbbrbbb

Thus lose if the pattern breaks. ...when we bet the "third"

Thus if 2persons bet opposite color, then a person must hit....in the 9spins.

Nickmsi,
You said, this a very stable bet,
May you please tell,

In 100placed bet, how it behaved...
Were  the results,
always hit above 40win/100 placed bet?

How about 200placed bet,?
And 300placed bet.?

If  it always hit around math expectation, then a mild progression plus virtual losses, could make this constant winnner.

Then wait for ppbbppbbppbb...till they stop, and bet , hoping won't happen again

Follow the last, in EC,
I think is the simplest no brainer to bet.

It is better  bet, than beting a fixed color (or in baccarat, bet only , say, player only.)
Or any  method....

Simply because we can read the outcome,  how?

wait for long chopping,  brbrbrbrbr....

that cause long streaks of losing, and simply, 

but most importantly,

The advantage, of  hitting long streaks of  black and red.

They won't produce positive edge,

but at least, itlr,
It  stable,

we could outwait losing streaks of chops,
(again, simply by waiting for it to happen)
and also stop betting, when losing certain spins of bet.

Then bet with mild progression. 

Any thought?

Then play virtually till u have the huge drawdown, then start playing anew..?

Betting player only, when it hit, hoping for streak forming?

Wait for bpbpbpbpbp.....to formed, then when bb formed, wait for  p to hit and bet it to streak?