Here is the complete 74 spins.

**see file attatched**

The High High went 23 pairs (46 spins) without showing. Betting Low Low was very rewarding.

Marking like this does have it's advantages.

Take a look at line 26. Numbers 26 and 13 have appeared as the pair.

Going across that line shows 6, 2, W, 7.

The 6 is Red Red. The 7 is Black Red. So the last result in the pair is Red. But remember these are absent pairs. So the opposite of Red is Black.

Take the lowest number which is 6. This means the last 6 pairs had a Black number as the second result of the pair.

Working backwards.

13
31
4
22
10
20

These are just some interesting things that you may like to take a look at.

I just thought I would show you all the first 50 spins (25 pairs) from the roulette table.

**see file below**

Look across any line after the first few pairs have appeared and there is always a pair in one of the even chances that is very close to or passed a double digit number. Remember this means that particular pair has not shown. We already know a dozen or column can go missing for 15-20 spins at times. So it's safe to assume four pairs can go missing at times for even longer than three dozens or columns. Especially when we are working with twelve pairs incorporating all three even chances as opposed to three dozens and three columns which only equals six.

Well, I did manage to hit the tables today to give all this a try and it was an interesting experience.

My limited testing had me excited and I thought I was on to a good thing. I gave Baccarat a try first and lost my first 8 bets using the Labouchere. Now this is something I can't ever remember trying before and it was a bit daunting left with a string consisting of 1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. Losing the first and second bet of the first four pairs was not a good start.

Now this had me thinking about what Chef was saying about entry and exit points. I came to the conclusion that it really needs to be played on roulette and use all three even chances.

Keeping a win/loss record for each different even chance seems like a good idea. The 8 losses above would have resulted in a L L L L. So switching to another even chance after an L and looking for some W's seemed like a good idea. I can't say I would have not lost when switching over to another even chance, but at least I would not have lost another six bets following the same even chance. In hindsight, it seems like I was a bit foolish to carry on playing the same even chance.

So I decided to quit Baccarat with my loss and head over to the roulette table. I wanted to have more options available to me. I decided that I would switch over to another even chance on any loss and look for the strongest bet. It worked out well and I recouped my losses. I just started a new Labouchere string at the roulette tables and things never got out of hand.

I did not run separate strings for all three even chances. I just migrated the string over to any even chance that I started playing following a loss.

Thank you Chef. Your words were stuck in my mind and they helped me to think how to turn around a bad situation.

Now I know some of you will think losing 8 bets is nothing. I agree it can happen anytime. But one thing I have noticed about the variance of these pairs is that the losses appear in clusters.
Then you get huge intervals with maybe just some single losses in between.

So I will do some more experimenting. Maybe switching over to another even chance after one loss of a pair is too severe and I should wait for two losses. I think there is mileage in the approach, but it is still early days as I look to fine tune things.

An interesting post wannawin, to be honest, I do not see many system players at the Casino. By systems, I probably mean the type of systems we read about or discuss on here.

You are right about learning from experienced players. One thing I noticed a long time ago is that the older more experienced players are in no rush to play. It's almost as though some of them know instinctively when to play and when to leave it alone. These were the ones who always seemed to be cashing in at the end of the night.

It reminds me of the old saying.  'There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old, bold pilots.'

I was trying to think of an easier way to track things and think I have come up with it.

*see file attatched*

Take Red Red as an example.

It did not come out in the first two pairs.
Then it came out as the third pair (denoted as x) and also came out as the fourth pair (x again)
Then it did not appear on the next three pairs.


Odd Even.

It appeared as the first pair.
Then it did not appear on the next six pairs.

This is the pair I would be betting against and would bet Even Odd.
So that would be Even on the next spin and Odd on the spin after that.
I am a winner if any of Odd Odd, Even Even or Even Odd appear.
Even Odd appearing as the next pair would give me two wins.
Any one of the Odd Odd or Even Even and it's just the one win from two bets.

Tracking this way would be much easier on the Casino scorecards with one of those eraser pencils.

I will give it a try tomorrow at the Baccarat tables just using BB, BP, PP, PB.

The casino I am visiting has Punto2000. No tax apart from only paying out 1/2 on Banker 6.
I will use the Labouchere and see how I get on. Should be interesting.

Having a look back at my last file *labouchere3*, every pair came out by the time the 28,32 appeared apart from the Even Odd and the Low High.

So I can either bet Odd Even or High Low (or both) on the next two bets. I will win on either the first or second bet of the next pair as long as the Even Odd or the Low High don't appear.

I would have won either the first or second bet betting Odd Even on the next 12 pairs that came out. I would also have won either the first or second bet betting High Low on the next 8 pairs that came out.

Three of the Odd Even bets would have been double wins meaning I win on both the first and second result of the pair and two of the High Low bets would have been double wins as well.

Hello Nick. Your tracker is good. The only difference is that I am filling in the blank spaces adding up how long the missing intervals are.

For eample.

BB
RR 1
RR 2
RB 3
RB 4
RR 5
BB X
BR 1
BR 2
RR 3
RR 4
BB X

So the interval for BB is 5/4 so far. For a bet, I am looking for a pair with just single X intervals which are missing for long periods of time. This happens frequently tracking all four pairs using the three even chances.

Betting against BB would see me betting on RR for the next pair. This would guarantee me a win on the first or second result of a pair if the BB does not appear. It would either show RR, RB or BR. Any one of them would give me at least one win out of two. That's where the Labouchere idea comes in because even one win out of two will allow for progress in clearing the line.

I hope that explains it a bit better. Thank you.

The parlays are just an optional extra and not as reliable as the main bet in my opinion.

Thank you Chef. It's good to know I am on the right track.

Here is a file covering all three even chances and I stopped it at this point because it kind of explains a few different things for anybody following.

The Even Odd has not shown for 17 pairs. That means the opposite Odd Even is a winner every time.

Looking at the second result of each of the 17 pairs.

E
E
O*
E
E
E
O*
E
E
E
O*
E
E
E
E
E
E

There are only three single intervals of the Odd noted by the asterix.

There was also the chance to do a bit of parlay betting here as well.

Looking at the Even Even over the last 9 pairs.

W,W,L,W,W,W,L,W,W.

I think just looking for the single L interval when betting for parlays is the best option. Then you are only ever risking two units at most to win four. A good qualifying trigger for this in my opinion would be looking for three W out of four before betting for a parlay.

Happy hunting.

There was a great run going opposite of Red Black this morning.

It went as folows.

BB
BB
BR
BB
BR
RR
RR
RR
RR
RR
BB
BR
RR
BB
RR
BR
RR
BR
BB
BR
RR
RR
RR

23 successive pairs all opposing Red Black. Not even one interval of the Red Black in any of that lot.

If I just take the right hand side of those results, I get the following.

B
B
R
B*
R
R
R
R
R
R
B*
R
R
B*
R
R
R
R
B*
R
R
R
R

From the fourth result down, I have marked the intervals where a Black appears. There are only four singles from here. There are only 6/23 Blacks in that whole passage. Some food for thought there.

Now back to my Labouchere testing and running this on all three even chances for roulette. An idea may be to run separate Win/Loss tables for all three even chances and give them each their own Labouchere string. This would allow you to manipulate the strings as you see fit.
When one string is not performng so well, stop playing and donate some of the losses on to a string that is going well. It's just an idea for now. I will need to do some experimenting with it.
But suffice to say, there are plenty of options.

So far so good with my Labouchere testing. I have played a few dozen strings and the worst drawdown is only 6 units.

Give it time. I know, I know. But I like the Labouchere in tandem with the pairs. 7 losses and only 5 wins to be -6 at worst is ok. Just a small run of one of the three pairs in my favour against the one for the house and it clears itself.

Thank you for your encouragement wannawin.

I am thinking maybe a Labouchere would be the best type of betting strategy for these pairs.
What appeals is crossing out two numbers in the line for every win and just adding one on a loss. Especially when we effectively have three pairs working in our favour against one for the Casino.

I have read a lot of posts on the Labouchere from Rolex-Watch and how he often splits the lines rather than allowing the bets to get too large. I think this is a sound idea. Time for some experimenting.

Tracking the even chance bets on roulette is another way to go if you want more action.

The Red Black is appearing at short enough intervals to jump on board with some parlay bets.

The Red Red and Odd Even are appearing at longer intervals. Bet against these with the opposite.

Tracking all three even chances is hard work. A tracker would be ideal if playing from home online.

I was reading some of the posts and the idea of looking out for singles caught my attention.

The idea of working in pairs seems like a good one to me if I am trying to manufacture results where there is an abundance of singles.

What do I mean by pairs?

There are 4 different pairs that can appear on a Baccarat table excluding the ties.

Banker-Banker
Banker-Player
Player-Player
Player-Banker

It is quite common for one of these pairs just to throw up the odd single appearance and then be absent for long intervals.  *see file below*

The Player-Banker pair (number 4) skipped for 17 times, hit, and then skipped 7 times before hitting again. That's just 2 hits in 26. This is not some freak occurence either. It happens with all the pairs where one of them can have some very long intervals before hitting once and then go missing again.

There is an easy way to take advantage of this. You just play the opposite of the pair that is missing and you are guaranteed a hit on the first or second attempt if the missing pair does not appear.

Banker-Banker missing.  Bet Player-Player
Banker-Player missing.  Bet Player-Banker
Player-Player missing.  Bet Banker-Banker
Player-Banker missing.  Bet Banker-Player

You could use a conservative 1-1 staking plan opting not to bet the second if you won the first. Why risk a unit when you have already won one. The second bet in this instance is only a recovery bet.

Or maybe a 1-2 where a loss followed by a win still nets a 1 unit profit.

The variance is in our favour with only one pair out of four that can beat us.

There is also the option of betting for parlays when a pair is coming out in very short intervals like the Player-Player towards the end of the file.

Quote from: Leapyfrog on August 19, 2014, 10:10:38 AM
My first and only casino I have been.  Hippodrome in London. It says partnership betting is not allowed.  Do you know why they would say so?

They have a £3 minimum Punto 2000 Table along the back wall in the Baccarat pit.
Punto 2000 does not take tax from the Banker bets except paying out 1/2 instead of 1/1 on a Banker 6.
This is ideal for partner play counting the side bets. You can play both sides without paying any tax until the Banker 6 appears and have the benefit of getting twice the maximum bet down on a sidebet that a single player could. Such a low minimum bet of £3 also enhances the profitability of the sidebet returns.

Quote from: split-monster on September 08, 2014, 08:38:25 PM
Split the layout in 4 sections. 1-9 = 1.  10-18 = 2.  19-27 = 3.  28-36 = 4.

3,3,4,1,3,1,3,4,1,3,4,4,4,3,2,3,4,3,3,3. This is a run of 3 and 4 with only single intervals of the 1 and 2.

2,2,3,4,1,2,2,3,2,3,2,4,4,2,2,4,3,2,4,4,4,4,4,1,2,4,4,2,2. Here is a run of 2 and 4 with single intervals of 1 and 3. These can be played as an ec bet. Both these runs happened today within a short space of time on a live wheel.

The first run gave 16/20 3 and 4's. The second run gave 24/30 2 and 4's. Plenty of time to see what's happening and win a few units.

We can also look for the opposite ec instead of playing like above.

4,1  The opposite of this would be 2,3.


4,1,3 (the opposite appeared here with the 3)

4,1,3,4 (the opposite appeared again with the 4)

4,1,3,4,2 (the opposite appeared again with the 2)

The full run was 4,1,3,4,2,2,3,1,4,2,3,2,1,3,2.

I would have played the following.

after 4,1  play 2,3. win
after 1,3  play 2,4  win
after 3,4  play 1,2  win
after 4,2  play 1,3  loss  this was a losing interval where 2 appeared next.
after 2,2  no bet
after 2,3  play 1,4  win
after 3,1  play 2,4  win
after 1,4  play 2,3  win
after 4,2  play 1,3  win
after 2,3  play 1,4  loss  this was a losing interval where 2 appeared next.
after 3,2  play 1,4  win
after 2,1  play 3,4  win
after 1,3  play 2,4  win

A 10/12 winning run here playing opposite of last 2. The runs can come either way from same as the last 2 to the opposite of the last 2. Looking for the single interval is a neat way of attacking.