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2nd's + 3rd's (for E.C'S)
« on: January 27, 2014, 10:16:06 pm »
Hello  :)
 
I would like to share the idea of 2nd's + 3rd's here.
 
There is an Excel sheet at the bottom with an example using Black/Red and Low/High.
 
I will use the Black numbers in the sheet to give an example....
 
What I am tracking for is to see if a Black number goes to 2 hits and then goes on to 3 hits.
 
33
26
26
31
33
8
 
There are 6 consecutive black numbers there and so I put a W for both the 2nd's and the 3rd's.
 
The next black numbers....
 
29
13

Now there are only 2 black numbers there. So I put a W in the 2nd's and an L in the 3rd's.
 
Next up...
 
8
 
Only 1 black number there. So an L goes in the 2nd's and I can't put anything in the 3rd's.
 
Next up...
 
29
24
 
2 black numbers. So a W in the 2nd's and an L in the 3rd's.
 
What I am playing close attention at is the W's and L's in the 2nd's + 3rd's.
 
It's possible to get a run of L's in the 2nd's.....BUT.....a run of W's in the 3rd's. This would happen if you got runs of just either 1 black and runs of 3+ blacks.
 
Charting all three E.C's (Black/Red, Low/High, Odd/Even) is the way to go.
 
A tracker would do the job OR you could just skip a spin or two in a B+M casino to give you time to track everything.
 
Of course....you could track 2nd's, 3rd's + 4th's and even use this idea for dozens and columns.
 
It is just another way to look for betting the W's OR L's depending on what's happening in the 2nd's and 3rd's.
 
cheers.
 
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Re: 2nd's + 3rd's (for E.C'S)
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2014, 11:04:52 pm »
Good to see you back.   :thumbsup:

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Re: 2nd's + 3rd's (for E.C'S)
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2014, 11:28:23 pm »

[I've cancelled the flowers!  :rose: ]
Hello esoito!
 
If they are plastic, keep them on hold!  :thumbsup:   
 
Here is another sheet with the same numbers converted to dozens and columns.
 
The 2nd's in Column C are suffering from 'single-itis'.
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Re: 2nd's + 3rd's (for E.C'S)
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2014, 11:47:51 pm »
This idea of the 2nd's + 3rd's comes from a brilliant gambling book called 'The Future Gambler' by Craig Greiner.
It is a real eye opener and covered from page to page with original concepts.
 
Surprisingly it was published in 1995....I have never really seen any of this books ideas mentioned apart from the Mongoose progression. However, there are stacks more original MM plans and the author really gives some brilliant insights on variance and how to attack it. The ideas in this particular book could be a great Launchpad for anyone who likes to create their own strategies.
 
Anyway...enough of the plug, lol. I will share some of the ideas and how I have twisted them on this blog as time permits.
 
cheers
 
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2014, 12:30:22 am »
Future Gambler is a great book !!!!! I learned a lot from it

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Re: 2nd's + 3rd's (for E.C'S)
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2014, 03:04:54 am »
Hello  :)
 
I would like to share the idea of 2nd's + 3rd's here.
 
There is an Excel sheet at the bottom with an example using Black/Red and Low/High.
 
I will use the Black numbers in the sheet to give an example....
 
What I am tracking for is to see if a Black number goes to 2 hits and then goes on to 3 hits.
 
33
26
26
31
33
8
 
There are 6 consecutive black numbers there and so I put a W for both the 2nd's and the 3rd's.
 
The next black numbers....
 
29
13

Now there are only 2 black numbers there. So I put a W in the 2nd's and an L in the 3rd's.
 
Next up...
 
8
 
Only 1 black number there. So an L goes in the 2nd's and I can't put anything in the 3rd's.
 
Next up...
 
29
24
 
2 black numbers. So a W in the 2nd's and an L in the 3rd's.
 
What I am playing close attention at is the W's and L's in the 2nd's + 3rd's.
 
It's possible to get a run of L's in the 2nd's.....BUT.....a run of W's in the 3rd's. This would happen if you got runs of just either 1 black and runs of 3+ blacks.
 
Charting all three E.C's (Black/Red, Low/High, Odd/Even) is the way to go.
 
A tracker would do the job OR you could just skip a spin or two in a B+M casino to give you time to track everything.
 
Of course....you could track 2nd's, 3rd's + 4th's and even use this idea for dozens and columns.
 
It is just another way to look for betting the W's OR L's depending on what's happening in the 2nd's and 3rd's.
 
cheers.

I really don't get what your doing how do you mean 2 nd 3 rds?

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2014, 09:23:02 am »
This idea of the 2nd's + 3rd's comes from a brilliant gambling book called 'The Future Gambler' by Craig Greiner.
It is a real eye opener and covered from page to page with original concepts.



That must have cost you a few bob. There was a copy on Amazon marketplace for 50 last year and I nearly bought it. Now the cheapest is 132.

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Re: 2nd's + 3rd's (for E.C'S)
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2014, 09:38:28 am »
Hello Warrior
 
The 2nd's refers to a second consecutive hit of an E.C. and the 3rd's refers to a third consecutive hit of an E.C.
Any hit of the same E.C. after the 3rd's does not count in the example I posted.
 
So taking those Black numbers again.....
 
33 is the first number and it's black. So now I am waiting to see if Black makes a second appearance on the next spin. If it does, I put a W (win) in the 2nd's column. If it doesn't come out on the next spin, I put a L (loss) in the 2nd's column.
 
The next number out was 26 Black. So it gets a W in the 2nd's column.
 
Now I am waiting to see what the next number is. If it's Black, that's a third consecutive hit and I will put a W (win) in the 3rd's column. If it's not Black, I will put a L (loss) in the 3rd's column.
 
The next number out was 26 Black. So it gets a W in the 3rd's column.
 
Now it doesn't matter if there are another 3 consecutive Black numbers. They don't get recorded. Because I am not looking for 4th's, 5th's or 6th's.
 
I repeat the same process for all 3 E.C's...but nothing stopping anybody just playing 1 or 2.
 
My example came from the first batch of numbers that I found and I suppose in hindsight doesn't really show the benefits of tracking in this way. So here is another example of 2nd's and 3rd's which should give a clearer picture. Let's assume I am tracking Black in this example and the first column is the 2nd's and the second column is the 3rd's.
 
1) L
2) W  L
3) W  W
4) L
5) L
6) W  L
7) W  L
8} W  W
9) W  W
10) L
11) W  W
12) L
13) L
14) W  W
15) L
16) L
17) W  W
18} L
19) L
20) W  W
21) L
22) L
23) W  W
 
So looking at 8} to 23) you can see that there was 11 wins and 12 losses for the 2nd's. However there was a straight 7 wins for the 3rd's. This is really the whole point behind the operation. You are using different streams (ie....2nd's + 3rd's) to look for the strongest trends to follow.
 
I hope that helps.  :thumbsup:
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Re: 2nd's + 3rd's (for E.C'S)
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2014, 09:47:53 am »
Hello Bayes,
 
 It can be hard to get hold of and the copies in circulation are likely dwindling. I found one on ebay and it cost around 100 including P+P....but I can say it's worth it.
 
You buy a book for 15-20 and the author could have written the system on a postcard....the other 95 pages are covered with such valuable information like the casinos have no clocks on the walls and it's best not to drink while playing, lol.
 
The 'Future Gambler' is packed from beginning to end with 'no waffle' insightful gaming information. So I consider it a bargain really for what I paid and there is probably no need to buy any more books. This one will keep me busy for a while.
 
cheers
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2014, 01:00:41 pm »
You buy a book for 15-20 and the author could have written the system on a postcard....the other 95 pages are covered with such valuable information like the casinos have no clocks on the walls and it's best not to drink while playing, lol.
Yep, a lot of gambling books are like that - waffle and padding. ::)
IMO the best book (in terms of bang for your buck) is still the old "How to Win at Roulette", by Norman Squire.
I always admired the "mongoose" progression. Although it busts like anything else eventually, the concept can be tweaked and applied to many other bets.
Thanks for posting the method from the book.

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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2014, 01:30:35 pm »
Hello Warrior
 
The 2nd's refers to a second consecutive hit of an E.C. and the 3rd's refers to a third consecutive hit of an E.C.
Any hit of the same E.C. after the 3rd's does not count in the example I posted.
 
So taking those Black numbers again.....
 
33 is the first number and it's black. So now I am waiting to see if Black makes a second appearance on the next spin. If it does, I put a W (win) in the 2nd's column. If it doesn't come out on the next spin, I put a L (loss) in the 2nd's column.
 
The next number out was 26 Black. So it gets a W in the 2nd's column.
 
Now I am waiting to see what the next number is. If it's Black, that's a third consecutive hit and I will put a W (win) in the 3rd's column. If it's not Black, I will put a L (loss) in the 3rd's column.
 
The next number out was 26 Black. So it gets a W in the 3rd's column.
 
Now it doesn't matter if there are another 3 consecutive Black numbers. They don't get recorded. Because I am not looking for 4th's, 5th's or 6th's.
 
I repeat the same process for all 3 E.C's...but nothing stopping anybody just playing 1 or 2.
 
My example came from the first batch of numbers that I found and I suppose in hindsight doesn't really show the benefits of tracking in this way. So here is another example of 2nd's and 3rd's which should give a clearer picture. Let's assume I am tracking Black in this example and the first column is the 2nd's and the second column is the 3rd's.
 
1) L
2) W  L
3) W  W
4) L
5) L
6) W  L
7) W  L
8} W  W
9) W  W
10) L
11) W  W
12) L
13) L
14) W  W
15) L
16) L
17) W  W
18} L
19) L
20) W  W
21) L
22) L
23) W  W
 
So looking at 8} to 23) you can see that there was 7 wins and 9 losses for the 2nd's. However there was a straight 7 wins for the 3rd's. This is really the whole point behind the operation. You are using different streams (ie....2nd's + 3rd's) to look for the strongest trends to follow.
 
I hope that helps.  :thumbsup:
perfect I understand  thnx

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Re: 2nd's + 3rd's (for E.C'S)
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2014, 04:43:18 pm »
I like the 'mongoose' as well. It is probably the easiest MM strategy in the book to learn and that's why the others never really get talked about much IMO.
 
There is the following in order....
 
1) The Perfect Unit
2) The Pit Bull
3) The Bricklayer's Wall
4) The Boxer
5) The Mongoose
6) The Hammer
7) The T-Square
 
They range from conservative to aggressive and some of the above have an advanced version as well.
 
The 2nd's and 3rd's idea could be used with any of the MM plans above.
 
I will go through them all this year plus other interesting aspects from the book.
 
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