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[Wewin2222]

Good Day Everyone,

Why?

What is your goal when you go to a Casino and what is the Casinos goal? Baccarat in theory is a 50/50 game but not really due to the 3rd card draw. If you don't understand the game or play a strategy, I would say for that person it's absolutely a 50/50 game. Let's talk about some thought processes in the game of Baccarat.

1) You make a decision before you walk into the casino that come hell or high water you're going to bet the chop. You walk in and sure enough you see the shoe starting to chop and you win, win, win, life is good. You do the same thing the next shoe and you win, win, win.

2) The 3rd shoe rolls around and the shoe will not chop and it only has a total of 8 singles in the entire shoe. Why?

3) The casino knows that you like betting the chop and they know that in order to beat you or take your money they will have to produce a shoe with little to no chop.

4) I would suggest to you that based on your style of play, or your system of play, once they figure you out they will accomplish their goal and that is to separate you from your money.

5) I can't help but smile when I hear a player tell me that I wager Bank only, Player only, Run ect. This is most  humorous to me. I know that those kind of players are nothing more than blood bait which will soon be  devoured in the belly of a shark.

Why do you think the casino ask you for your card? Once they get your card, they can pull up your entire history from every casino you have played at. Casino's really do interact with each other and they know at a moments notice what it takes to beat you or what kind of player you are.

If you are a true player, you can test this by going into a casino you've never played at, give them your identification, buy in for 100.00, play one shoe and ask them for a room comp, trust me they will give you anything you ask for.

They Casino has unlimited resources and seemly has even the police and courts in their hip pocket. You can win several hundred thousand dollars and all they have to do is accuse you of cheating and refuse to pay you. It goes to court and the Judge sides with the Casino. Why?

I know I am rambling on today but I'm trying to share with you what I have seen and experienced in and outside the casino.

You are looking at a Billion Dollar Industry which is soon to be a Trillion Dollar Industry.

Players, Risk Takers, Gamblers, for the most part are to fu**cking stupid to realize that the casino what's nothing more than to rip your heart and send you, your family ect ect on a spiral to disaster.

Some players actually think the casino is there friend and they truly are if you consistently give them your money.

Kick their teeth in a few times and see how much they like you, I've had them shut the game down on me on more than one occasion, they didn't ask me to leave but they could have. I honestly think I am their bench mark, if they can beat me, life is good and they are doing their job, that statement will rub some people they wrong way because it is very boastful but I really don't give a dam because I know me.

I have digressed a lot but why? Why do you loose?

The answer is lack of knowledge, experience, ect. ect. Sometimes it's just being plan ffff stupid. I said it and if the shoe fits wear it.

Players are afraid to share any secreats they might have because who can you trust? That one friend you have will go running off at the mouth the first time you tell him how or why you won.

If Players could only be as loyal as Casinos then you could really see a shift in power as it pertains to the gambling industry.

Many times I feel sorry for people and I truly want to help them until they show their true colors and I realize they deserve every hardship that comes their way, yes some people are just that sorry and can't be helped.

People that I like are people who for one. Actually has a Brain, they are not easily moved by the  status quo and truely have a desire and work ethic to be great. Also there actions always speak louder than their words.

Those people are hard to find!!

Wewin2222

[alrelax]

You want me to answer this long winded question? 

I will if you want....

Although I got blasted by Jimske for, as he says, 'Long winded dialog that resulted in teary and blurred eyes" for him.  Like I twisted his arm to read it, LOL.

But, if you want, I will answer.  Just can't do it in 3 sentences.

[Wewin2222]

I know one thing for certain Alrelax, you have a lot to say and you don't mind sharing your thought process on most subjects. I can respect that because it's not hard for me to figure out those who have truely lived the life and those who pretend. I know you don't always agree with me and vice versa but I know you're a smart guy and I do enjoy reading your posts, although I don't always respond. Let me make and sandwich and get a cup of coffee and then I'm all ears.

Wewin2222

[8OR9]

1. If you do not use your players club card, how will the casino know who you are and how you bet so they can "fix the shoe "so you lose?

2. If there are 6 customers at a bac table and they all use their players club card, how can the casino "fix the shoe" ........because all 6 customers may be playing a different method?

3. They can "fix the shoe" in blackjack  ( if possible) by setting the shuffle machine to give the dealer a 10 up cad most of the time or the customers a stiff hand ( 15 or 16 )....but bac is different because the casino doesn't know how the customer will bet...and they can lose their license if they get caught "fixing the shoe"....why risk losing their license when they have the advantage in every game except blackjack....and they will just throw you out if you win  and increase your bets and determine your are counting.

[alrelax]

Right on, likewise. 

I am getting a cup of coffee and a Moon-Pie, so help God.  In the office, waiting on my guys to call me so I can coordinate a haz mat job they are on.  No problem.  Will give you my thoughts!

[Wewin2222]

80R9,

They will focus on getting the best player off the table, because not everyone has the same experience or ability. If someone is winning, most players will follow. Also if you are winning they will use facial recognition to figure out who you are especially if you are wagering big money. Why risk their license, who is going to challenge the casino if you caught them cheating, it is your word against there's. They will do what every it takes to beat you, I could post lots of examples but I won't waste my breath on casino cheating at this time. Do they cheat all the time, NO! Do they  Occasionally Cheat, you bet your A*SS they do!!

Buy in for 25,000 and walk away with 125,000 and they next time you come back buy in for 125,000 and watch what happens.

Wewin2222

[alrelax]

Alrelax's answer are in bold within the brackets following each question


Why?

What is your goal when you go to a Casino and what is the Casinos goal? Baccarat in theory is a 50/50 game but not really due to the 3rd card draw. If you don't understand the game or play a strategy, I would say for that person it's absolutely a 50/50 game. Let's talk about some thought processes in the game of Baccarat.


1) You make a decision before you walk into the casino that come hell or high water you're going to bet the chop. You walk in and sure enough you see the shoe starting to chop and you win, win, win, life is good. You do the same thing the next shoe and you win, win, win. [Because people change their minds and they fall prey to following others that are winning, following something they are influenced to do by the dealer or another person there, they also convince themselves that their well thought out plan cannot prevail so they wager the opposite and they mess up, etc., etc., etc.  The players best themselves the highest majority of the times].

2) The 3rd shoe rolls around and the shoe will not chop and it only has a total of 8 singles in the entire shoe. Why?  [Personally I have written about it before and no one much cares.  But, IMO shoes generally come in 3's.  Although at times, but not the majority, shoes run in 3's where they are similar or close in many outcomes and specific statistics, etc.  But they change and they change drastically and the highest majority of players all have their 'system', 'protocol of wagering' 'triggers' whatever you call them and those players do not change.  They can only win the minority of the times.  I have recently wrote about it, I tried to define it as the average player—the highest majority of the baccarat players have the 'North' attitude.  The correct one to have for wagering, time played, specific circumstances, winning, losing, etc., is the one I found, and that one is, 'North, Northeast, East, Southeast, South, Southwest, West, Northwest'.] 

3) The casino knows that you like betting the chop and they know that in order to beat you or take your money they will have to produce a shoe with little to no chop. [It cannot hold exactly the same, even if an auto shuffler does set up the card.  There has been a lot of articles and investigations into this on the internet, you can read those for yourselves.  However, a cut card can and does change any pre-set setup a machine can make.  There are still numerous properties that hand shuffle.  There are numerous properties that will do a quick mini shuffle after removing form the auto shuffler.  However, in baccarat a player can wager any event or attack he feels like.  But, most player think only one way and one sided which is generally their real downfall anyways.]

4) I would suggest to you that based on your style of play, or your system of play, once they figure you out they will accomplish their goal and that is to separate you from your money. [I cannot comment on this we are too far apart on our views relating to the casino]

5) I can't help but smile when I hear a player tell me that I wager Bank only, Player only, Run ect. This is most  humorous to me. I know that those kind of players are nothing more than blood bait which will soon be  devoured in the belly of a shark. [You are absolutely correct 100%, they will win, and they will lose.  Things change.  A system, a protocol, a bet placement method is good when it hits and worthless when it does not hit.  In other words, some days it will and some days it will not.  But, sad part is, most players will not wait and keep forging ahead with their gusto and money to prevail including changing up their wagering placements that should not have been increased.  No matter what—the longer you play—the more you wager—the greater the chances are against you, less is better.  Wagering time, number of wagers, etc.].

Why do you think the casino ask you for your card? Once they get your card, they can pull up your entire history from every casino you have played at. Casino's really do interact with each other and they know at a moments notice what it takes to beat you or what kind of player you are. [I do not believe you are correct.  Within a certain chain, they might be able to.  They do not collect info on specific betting placements or styles.  You rating consists of time, average wager amounts, lose/wins total amounts/ buy in's recorded and other similar type of info.  I do have several members of my family, immediate and extended that have worked for decades in casino management as well as rules & compliance with different states (USA) and I know this for a fact.  If you feel they do, I would respectfully ask you to investigate that and seek the facts, but I know they do not].

If you are a true player, you can test this by going into a casino you've never played at, give them your identification, buy in for 100.00, play one shoe and ask them for a room comp, trust me they will give you anything you ask for. [Most casinos will rate and begin you fresh, like they do not know you.  However, if you have a host at another casino and the new property you are at calls and asked them as to your play—you might get equal comp or better depending on the type of player you are at with the other property.]

They Casino has unlimited resources and seemly has even the police and courts in their hip pocket. You can win several hundred thousand dollars and all they have to do is accuse you of cheating and refuse to pay you. It goes to court and the Judge sides with the Casino. Why? [At times this is what it appears, like with the non-shuffled bac decks in Atlantic City, etc.  But generally not.  I have previous law enforcement experience, although in the Miami Vice days in South Florida, LOL, it was a different time back then but I still understand how careful some courts are for either the defendant or the prosecution.  There are two sides to everything and depending on what you read in a very biased darn media, you might not be getting the whole picture as to what actually happened, IMO].

I know I am rambling on today but I'm trying to share with you what I have seen and experienced in and outside the casino.

You are looking at a Billion Dollar Industry which is soon to be a Trillion Dollar Industry. [This is true and it gets bigger because most of the public falls prey to the advertising, the stories and their false perceptions as to winning.  However, event those that do-the highest majority of the times just give it back chasing and trying for greater amounts.  It is called greed and greed alone].

Players, Risk Takers, Gamblers, for the most part are to fu**cking stupid to realize that the casino what's nothing more than to rip your heart and send you, your family ect ect on a spiral to disaster.  [People do it to themselves, money creates greed, not just in casino gambling in other things also.  Business of all types, let someone make money, real money, and the highest amount of times they change for the worst.  People also have false perceptions and their mind does the opposite of what they should really want or what they should do, or the exact opposite of what their mind tells them to do.  It is called willpower and reasoning and most of all us cannot and will not make the conservative decisions which are usually best for us within a casino.  It is like when I was in the adult business in NYC with an x wife and an x girlfriend.  We owned brick and mortar massage parlors/brothels.  We talked to the customers and we got them to spend every penny they had, even the ones that said they could not afford it or did not really want to stay for an extra hour or two or three or overnight.  Same as the casino with a good host.  Same thing, no different. It is the weak human mind that most of us do have.]

Some players actually think the casino is there friend and they truly are if you consistently give them your money. [That is true, I have had relationships at no less than 36 properties in the USA.  I mean a decent relationship with almost full comp (within reason) suites, airfare reimbursement or promotion chips issued up front, food and beverage, etc.  And hosts at every one of those.  I have 3 host that have become real and true friend out of all those.  The rest are two timing, back stabbing, corporate salespeople that are POS's.  Plain and simple.  A player needs to realize that, problem is, almost all players that fall prey to the casino host has never really had anyone pay them attention and they mistake what the casino host can and will do, for friendship.]

Kick their teeth in a few times and see how much they like you, I've had them shut the game down on me on more than one occasion, they didn't ask me to leave but they could have. I honestly think I am their bench mark, if they can beat me, life is good and they are doing their job, that statement will rub some people they wrong way because it is very boastful but I really don't give a dam because I know me. [In the USA I have never witnessed a casino ban a baccarat player, and I have seen and played along with players winning $750k to $1.5 M for their session in the high limit rooms in Vegas and AC and Connecticut.  I have seen people get banned for their actions, their vulgar mouths, their violence, etc., but not for winning.  I have little experience with the very small casinos in say Southern California or other states.  I do play in the Midwest and although they are tougher by far on the attitudes, actions and personalities of the players, the do not ban for winning, at least not that I have ever seen and I see a lot of people win a lot of cash at times.]

I have digressed a lot but why? Why do you loose? ( I cut out my answer and part of your question)  But here goes once more.  I lose because of my own greed, first.  Second, I lose because I follow people or stay too long when the style of play is not available or being produced where I excel.  I learned this about 10 years ago after playing for about 20 or so years.  We tend to revert to our experiences outside the casino in business or other life and allow it to get into our thought process we use in a casino.  Most of the time, those experiences are worthless and not going to help us with what we are attempting to decide within the casino, IMO]

The answer is lack of knowledge, experience, ect. ect. Sometimes it's just being plan ffff stupid. I said it and if the shoe fits wear it. [You are correct in every sense I understand that statement, in the casino as well as outside of it with other avenues of business and life]

Players are afraid to share any secreats they might have because who can you trust? That one friend you have will go running off at the mouth the first time you tell him how or why you won. [At times yes and other times no.  Depends who those people are.  But you have to understand, I have ½ law enforcement in my family and half 'other'.  I am predominately Italian and come from NYC.  As far as the 'rat' read about Sammy Gavano that made being a rat for the cops beneficial, not that it didn't happen before Sammy G, it is just the way the media painted him a hero, etc., enough on that for now].
If Players could only be as loyal as Casinos then you could really see a shift in power as it pertains to the gambling industry. [yes, but the casinos are a business, they do not care about relationships, only if you have money and you are a customer, otherwise you are just another stick in the pod.]

Many times I feel sorry for people and I truly want to help them until they show their true colors and I realize they deserve every hardship that comes their way, yes some people are just that sorry and can't be helped. [same way outside of the casino, people brew their own pot they stand in, people are greedy and people are self-serving the highest majority of them and the highest majority of the time].

People that I like are people who for one. Actually has a Brain, they are not easily moved by the  status quo and truely have a desire and work ethic to be great. Also there actions always speak louder than their words. [yes I agree]

Those people are hard to find!!  [yes most certainly, people are fake and people are again—self-serving for whatever they are seeking or desire to obtain or be involved with at that immediate time].

Wewin2222

[Wewin2222]

Alrelax,

I appreciate the feedback and true wisdom that you have. We could use more people like you in the world!!

Wewin2222