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[alrelax]

Thanks Ted!  I am trying my best.  He showed up an hour ago in tears.  I do my best.  He took a shower and crashed out.  Told me he knows if he is here in my house, he can't run to the one casino a few miles from his house.  He is convinced that if he keeps playing he will win and win it all back.  Oh lord,  he will learn.

[Bhumibol]

Thanks Ted!  I am trying my best.  He showed up an hour ago in tears.  I do my best.  He took a shower and crashed out.  Told me he knows if he is here in my house, he can't run to the one casino a few miles from his house.  He is convinced that if he keeps playing he will win and win it all back.  Oh lord,  he will learn.

[Ted009]

Thanks Ted!  I am trying my best.  He showed up an hour ago in tears.  I do my best.  He took a shower and crashed out.  Told me he knows if he is here in my house, he can't run to the one casino a few miles from his house.  He is convinced that if he keeps playing he will win and win it all back.  Oh lord,  he will learn.

H- Money is very lucky. He has his mentor nearby and he should learn from you. Loss is yesterday and like I said, please regroup and go back to the drawing board, Lordy, he needs to learn from the Master. I hope he can learn it from you.

Best wishes,
Ted

Ps. he won't win it back with his mindset right now. He needs to regroup and start it all over. Baccarat can be deceiving and every player should know that there is always another day, week and month to recover the losses. If I may just give my 2 cents.....

[alrelax]

Yes, mistakes happen.  In bac there is no way to be successful without bad and costly mistakes, IMO.

Somthing happened to me on the interstate yesterday while working.  Similar to what happens when you win or lose with the wrong mindset while playing bac.  I will explain it and post pictures when i get into my business in a couple of hours.

When in Rome...Do as the Romans.....remember that saying!!!

[alrelax]

Well last night, was okay.  Started out a bit bad.  H-Money gets right into it and loses hand after hand.  My NYC buddy is like, 'this shoe sucks, let's wait for next shoe it is hand 60 something'.  I wagered and lost 4 times.  I was like, 'This is going to be a losing night, no fun--can't win one'.  New shoe came.  But I went down to $175.00 with the $700.00 buy in.  I throw out the F-7 a couple times and no go.  The cards were real weak or real strong, in my own classification of them.

No F-7 in the first ten hands, No ties.  And I always see and say--no or low ties (1-2-3) is prime groundwork for F-7.  But I have also found that hands 16-23 are second prime for the F-7's.  I waited out a few hands.  H-Money is banging it hard, winning large bets and losing large bets.  He is strictly playing for the cut/chop.  I begged him to stop.  Every time something really good me up, he would not bet it.  It was all 1's, 2's and a 3.  Then the player comes out with a 13 player streak and I stopped wagering, no one believed in it and everyone lost huge, I only kept the side wagers while they all self destructed.  I wanted to wager player but I did not want to be the one that really ruined their camaraderie they had going, but it was just the wrong way in reality.

I started wagering $25-$50 on the F7 at hand 16 again.  On hand 23 the F-7 hits, I only had $25 on it but it was my fuel.  I pumped it up to $50 on F-7's and 5 hands later, it hits once again.  I hit two more by hand 55.  Wagering every other or every third one.  I won some larger wagers and lost some also.  I actually got up to $4,500.00 in pink chips and a bunch of green in all win money.  I just started on my 1/3rd system and cashed out and kept the $1k and tried again and straight losses of it all.

I was tired going on 24 hours with no sleep and drove the 90 miles to get there.  I could not think.  I left.  H-money actually lost a total of $900.00, he just will not listen and is too stubborn.  Doesn't know how to sit out any hands was his problem last night.

Oh well, I hit the Wal Mart at 2:30am and finished up the Easter stuff for the kids and bought some breakfast for my guys at my business.  Bagels with cream cheese and salmon lox.  Unlike most others that just put their win money back in their buy-in or bank roll and then lose it, I spend mine.  I also stuck $750.00  my 5 year old's American Express debit card account. Reset and Refresh!  ALWAYS.  Don't run back to the casino and wager larger, harder and longer with your win money.  It will haunt you almost every time.

Number one rule; "Reset and Refresh continually". 
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[alrelax]

Well, I had to go over and get something hot to eat at the truck stop restaurant place near my place of business for lunch.  I bought a scratch off tix which I only do sporadically, like the Mega Millions Tix I got last week and this week.  Since I won at the casino last night I figured why not.  Wasn't a big lottery win, but it will more then enough pay for the gas and my snacks on the way there and back late tonight! $30.00 profit, LOL.

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[alrelax]

You know H-Money calls me up a few min's ago.  He says, "I don't understand it--you make money and I don't, why?"  I told him simply--you win and keep playing harder and harder and faster and faster and you don't build up or reduce your buy-in stack.  All you do is win and keep compounding the win into your buy-in chips and you have no MM System whatsoever.  And, I went over MM Systems with him a thousand times.  He gets into the casino and wins make him crazy, all he sees is a green light on every win and gets all hyped to continue and go larger.  Then he never works his buy-in stack like I do. 

As soon as I win, I live to put my buy-in back in my pocket and then keep working the stack trying to double my buy-in and put it away before I really go to my 1/3rd MM System. 

Not win $300 and then parlay it and win $600 and then keep betting it and when lose it, get mad and chase it back with my own funds, etc. 

Actually, his selection decisions are pretty good for either side.  However, he is totally stubborn, lost and hard headed about MM Systems, putting money away and locking it up, and his repetitive buy-ins thinking he can always come back and recoup his lost money right away.

[Johno-Egalite]

I reckon it is harder to win after suffering any major loss, basically not only are you are chasing, you are under tremendous pressure to break the current losing streak, it adds to the mental pressure.

What you friend needs to do, is figure out his game plan in advance, MM and bet selection, then set himself a goal target, either a 3rd or 4th of his last loss.  Attempt to recover that slowly,, take a break for a few days, and then attach the loss prior to this.  Easier said than done, but doable with the right frame of mind, adequate BR, MM, mindset and game plan.

If the pressure of prior losses are too great, and he lacks discipline, then he has no chance.   

[alrelax]

We went last night and started playing.  Got about 15 mins into it and my night dispatcher calls me for a semi truck roll over on the interstate. 

I played the first 10 hands of the shoe we started.  I felt fortune 7 and played it 8 times out of the past 10 hands.  I tell h-money I have to go and asked him to come help me.  He said he wanted to gamble.  As I was walking away the next hand was a fortune 7!  I can't believe it!!

I been out on the interstate all night.  H-money kept texting how he was losing and of course blamed it on the dealers, lol. 

[alrelax]

Real ugly what happened last night when i left the casino to work on the highway!  Real ugly.

[alrelax]

H-Money can't stay away from the casino.  I told him, pleaded with him and even attempted to take his debit cards and bankroll away.  I screamed and yelled at him and talked until I was blue in the face, I leterally turned red screaming at him the other day.

Before I started including our results from the casino play with H-money and my other occasional NYC retirn cop friend here in the midwest, H-money was a sporadic, go and win or lose and able to 'reset and refresh' type of player.  I say occasional, meaning once or twice a week, and minding his full time career/small business, etc.  But after that one plunge with losing over $10k of 'non-win' money, he went overboard. 

I seen it alot, just not real close to all the others or many years ago, the others had huge bankrolls and large bsuinesses where $25-$75K losses meant bascially nothing.  However, they were able to regroup, forget, set-aside their losses and continue playing with clear and fresh vision and minds.

H-moeny is close to me in all other aspects of life outside the casino and he is not a long term expereinced bac player.  That is the huge problem here.  He is lucky his kids are grown and has no little kids like I do and week-to-week dependant things that he needs to attend to.  I know that is vague but I have huge responsibility outside the casino and to myself, employees--a bsuienss to open by 7am, clients, etc., and all of an emergency nature due to my business. 

I had a huge job on the interstate yesterday and we were all at the casino Friday night after an okay samll win on Thursday night.  I played the first 10 hands or so and had to run to handle an all night job on the highway worth $50k.  H-money was dead-set to stay and win money at the casino.  He actaully won around $5k or so and then lost $15k all hyped up and chasing his lost win money and all the other money he is stressing over.  Please learn from this because  it is so typcial IMO, not fun and not very nice is every way. 

I had to cut out yesterday afternoon when I completed my 20 plus job on the highway.  I even called H-money and told him I would pay him triple time at a $20/hour base rate to dispatch today, Easter until Monday.  He said he didn't feel like it.  I have to spend Easter with my little boy, Easter egg hunts, movies, game arcade and all his stuff he loves that his mom will not do for him, as she is too busy with her new restuarant, etc.  We have another large railroad accident job going on and I have to have someone in the office to dispatch and run the place with my equipment, log books, contractor updates and updating the client which entails receiving pictures by cell phone, resizing them, putting them into our formats and sending to the client, etc.  But rather than make himself comfortable in my offices and make $60/hour, he rather sit home, dwell over his losses and cry.  His kids are grown like I said, his business is zip on holidays and weekends.  He simply became dangerous.  It hurts but I can't be with him 24/7.

[alrelax]

I reckon it is harder to win after suffering any major loss, basically not only are you are chasing, you are under tremendous pressure to break the current losing streak, it adds to the mental pressure.

What you friend needs to do, is figure out his game plan in advance, MM and bet selection, then set himself a goal target, either a 3rd or 4th of his last loss.  Attempt to recover that slowly,, take a break for a few days, and then attach the loss prior to this.  Easier said than done, but doable with the right frame of mind, adequate BR, MM, mindset and game plan.

If the pressure of prior losses are too great, and he lacks discipline, then he has no chance.

Welcome to the forum.  You sound like you have some experience at Bac.  We need some new faces and input here!

I hear what you are saying!  I have about 35 years or so playing, never was a full time gambler that forced himself to make a living off gambling.  However, I won and lost larger sums of money at times.  The past 15 years or so I realized the correct way for myself to play Bac and be able to make some side money from it.  I do win and I win conserdable amount more than I lose.  I handle my win money the way that works for myself and it pays for plenty in my life. 

Unfortuently most other players only add to their bank rolls and wind up losing the win money and their monies chasing back their wins.  I wrote some pieces about 'resetting and refreshing' and my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd MM System that wokrs for myself. 

H-money will not stop, refresh or reset himself in any way.  So many on the internet talk about wins and building larger and larger bank rolls and upping their levels of play,etc.  IMO, all fallacy and saounds good, but almost impossible.  All good if they do it, I just have too much expereince and exposure to the casino to know what can and can not be realistically accomplished on a regualr basis of play.

It is extremely easy to write about it and plan, but when you are in a casino--it is another world by far!  For everyone.

I have pictures to post in reference to my last couple of posts but cannot from where I am at get them online.  When I am back in my office on Tuesday I will, thanks, Glen.

[alrelax]

If I have to, I will get H-money to self-ban himself from the two local casinos in our 100 mile radius here.  I have ways to get him to do it and might have to resort to those to get him to take the time to regroup.  I don't want to do it but i am running out of options.  I will talk to him this week about it.  He tells me one thing on the phone or even in person, then his demaons take over.  He reminds me of people I knew with their cocaine habits back in the 80's and the 90's in the northeast before I moved to the Midwest, that lost their multi million dollar businesses.

[Johno-Egalite]

So many on the internet talk about wins and building larger and larger bank rolls and upping their levels of play,etc.

Think about you wrote,  "upping their levels of play", major failure!!

If you are in the position of building your bankroll, YOU STAY playing AT THE SAME LEVEL.  When you start stepping up your regular chip size, were betting say 9 units at the lower level may be a easy bet to place, betting 9 units at an increased level, changes everything, you might balk, back off, not make the bet, your comfort zone changes totally.   PLUS you are doing exactly what any casino wants you to do, they want you to bet more, making bigger bets, because no matter how lucky you get today or tomorrow, then will have you sooner or later.  Nobodies luck lasts forever, losing clusters can start from the very next hand, then you fall apart along with your game-plan.   

If you're building your bankroll, having more units at your disposal will make you emotionally stronger, increasing your level of play is fraught with unnecessary risk (risking many prior winning session in the one session) and is an emotional game changer.

[alrelax]

Think about you wrote,  "upping their levels of play", major failure!

You misunderstand what my point was,

And yes i govern my play and replace my bankroll when i win,  i have explained in detail in my blog.

I only up my levels of play when i win.  Othefs do when they lose and chase.

I don't have any reason to build a larger bankroll.