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[Wewin2222]

This is inside information so take it for what it's worth.

I haven't been here for a while because I don't like arguing with people,  however I think the general public or gambler if you will needs to know this information.

1)  It's common knowledge at this point that casinos use the shuffle master to cheat people out of their money.
2)  They used to use the shuffle master to beat the advantage player who liked to use a system.
3)  They don't care if you use a system now because they have combined the shuffle master with an electronic shoe that pushes the cards out.
4)  All the casino cares about now is  taking the most money for every hand that is delt. They accomplish this by using the shuffle master to position the cards and using the electronic shoe push the cards out to the side that is favorable for the casino to make the most amount of money on that particular hand.
5) Example: First 2 cards in the electronic shoe is a 8 and 9, the next 2 cards are face cards. If the most money is bet on the Player side they will receive the 9 allowing that side to win.  In other words the electronic shoe is capable of dealing the card underneath to allow the casino to have an unbeatable advantage.

What the electronic shoe and the shuffle master combined the casino is able to decide the outcome of every single hand. This Technology cannot be beat and it  takes cheating to a whole new level.

Wewin2222

[Jimske]

One problem with this.  In order to be successful the casino must also calculate the individual wagers to figure which will be the optimum profit.  Without that knowledge the result is irrelevant.

[Xander]

This is inside information so take it for what it's worth.

I haven't been here for a while because I don't like arguing with people,  however I think the general public or gambler if you will needs to know this information.

1)  It's common knowledge at this point that casinos use the shuffle master to cheat people out of their money.
2)  They used to use the shuffle master to beat the advantage player who liked to use a system.
3)  They don't care if you use a system now because they have combined the shuffle master with an electronic shoe that pushes the cards out.
4)  All the casino cares about now is  taking the most money for every hand that is delt. They accomplish this by using the shuffle master to position the cards and using the electronic shoe push the cards out to the side that is favorable for the casino to make the most amount of money on that particular hand.
5) Example: First 2 cards in the electronic shoe is a 8 and 9, the next 2 cards are face cards. If the most money is bet on the Player side they will receive the 9 allowing that side to win.  In other words the electronic shoe is capable of dealing the card underneath to allow the casino to have an unbeatable advantage.

What the electronic shoe and the shuffle master combined the casino is able to decide the outcome of every single hand. This Technology cannot be beat and it  takes cheating to a whole new level.

Wewin2222

Heatmap,

You're working just based on your feelings about the situation rather than solid proof.  It reminds me of your argument that live roulette wheels were rigged because you didn't understand that the rectangular shaped marks were in each pocket. (By the way, they were scuff marks from the ball.)

[Wewin2222]

I've never made any reference to roulette.

Wewin2222

[james]

I was under the impression that gaming commissions are there to prevent cheating by players and casinos.

[Xander]

I've never made any reference to roulette.

Wewin2222

Aren't you also the poster by the name of Heatmap from the other forums?

[alrelax]

It is easy to accuse and blame casinos for losses of our own or others.  However, if you bring any pieces of proof or witnesses to the responsible state police regulating authority that oversees your casino properties, where you are convinced this is happening, you will be heard.  If you have evidence and witnesses, they will yank that casino license and charge whomever is responsible with criminal matters. 

Otherwise  (IF) you are correct and choose not to say anything, you can always use it to your benefit by just wagering a bit less on the opposite side when all players are together on a certain side, your win rate should be right at 100%?? 

[alrelax]

From, WoV site and written by Babs.  For whatever it is worth, I feel she is correct.  I had an immediate member of my family work for many years oin the 'CCC', 'Casino Control Commission' in New Jersey, they are ruthless agaisnt the casinos with virtually endless resources.  It would never fly, IMO.

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I do not work for SHFL, but I am a product vendor to them for over 2 years now. In my experience, this is absolutely not happening. They make their money guaranteeing the integrity of their shufflers and have specific lockout and security mechanisms in place to prevent this kind of manipulation or tampering. They also have their equipment and software certified and sealed by 3rd parties.

Is what you suggest possible? Yes, I suppose. Is it happening? Absolutely not. A single case of this would damage their entire division beyond repair, and they have 10s of thousands of high dollar rentals and sales in the marketplace. They would never jeopardize their legitimate business with a cheating mode available. I think it's just someone's way of justifying bad variance."

[heatmap]

He, is not me. I am me. and until you dive into any patents, try not to make yourself look stupid. there are at least 50 patents, just relating to roulette, which use various techniques to "randomize" the balls behavior. I also have pictures which are much clearer and show you that the squares are not scuff marks. I've seen a ball bounce from one pocket into the other half of the wheel with one bounce. you doubters are a dime a dozen and its like you all read a script that tells you exaxtly what to say. get more creative bruh. try to at least be different from the crowd.

[alrelax]

He, is not me. I am me. and until you dive into any patents, try not to make yourself look stupid. there are at least 50 patents, just relating to roulette, which use various techniques to "randomize" the balls behavior. I also have pictures which are much clearer and show you that the squares are not scuff marks. I've seen a ball bounce from one pocket into the other half of the wheel with one bounce. you doubters are a dime a dozen and its like you all read a script that tells you exaxtly what to say. get more creative bruh. try to at least be different from the crowd.

Rather than going to arguing and defending why don't you introduce yourself and tell us what you and what you are about.   And give us some information first, thank you and welcome.

[heatmap]

I am the real heatmap. As crazy as people say i am - i am. I don't believe the same old sayings that people tell anyone who doubts the casino would "cheat" or "rig" the wheel. It is not rigging to me because the word rigging has been replaced with the word randomization. Also there are no laws within my state that define what rigging is or that its illegal, but the laws do say that the CASINO can't influence the ball in any way. But that doesn't apply because its the state who allows the casinos to exist, and the state who orders every piece of equipment within the casinos in my state, and therefor if "rigging" is done it is done on the state level and there is no checks and balances as to what they can do because they make the rules. humans have repeatedly been found to roll with the punches when it comes to security features and have succeeded in winning no matter what feature in employed (think rrs). I am a believer in VB to a certain extent. The extent is that when the ball falls into the "wrong" pocket, it will be pushed out. and i have explained this on roulette 30 forum. Heres the thing though. my beliefs stop at casinos only in my state. i don't believe that the all wheels have all of the same security features. which is why you see varying accounts of systems winning or losing. And im not a "system" kind of guy. my system is to learn the roulette wheel layout and apply it to VB, but my bets are not limited to a certain amount or specific areas like that. i am purely physical when it comes to prediction.

[heatmap]

It is easy to accuse and blame casinos for losses of our own or others.  However, if you bring any pieces of proof or witnesses to the responsible state police regulating authority that oversees your casino properties, where you are convinced this is happening, you will be heard.  If you have evidence and witnesses, they will yank that casino license and charge whomever is responsible with criminal matters. 

Otherwise  (IF) you are correct and choose not to say anything, you can always use it to your benefit by just wagering a bit less on the opposite side when all players are together on a certain side, your win rate should be right at 100%??

as a matter of fact i do advocate to play against other people and i have done that with a bit of a higher success rate but the winnings are based on the player and when someone wins too much against another player or if you are winning and another play arrives at the table the winnings then get transferred to the other player until they have reached their 5% limit for the so

[heatmap]

id also like to clarify what the OP was saying. I am the one who has stated that shuffle master has predictable sequences within its cards. but I never mentioned baccarat. Although OP has read my mind. I have already talked with OP because i am the one who gave them the idea. What i ORIGINALLY stated to them was about BLACKJACK though. I have stated to OP that i do believe that the ISHOE can "pick" which cards come out but i don't have proof, except that some of the cards come out faster or slower than other cards, which is why i also think that what OP is saying is true. But the blackjack statement, is meant to describe MD3 machines and is not meant for ISHOE, but meant for when the pack of 8 cards is placed into a non mechanical shoe and the cards can't be rearranged because the shoe is made out of plastic. i do know of a technique which can be employed by the dealer, where the second card within the shoe can be dealt, and this is accomplished by the dealer performing the switch. for this reason im always watching the dealer carefully.

[Wewin2222]

Shoe manipulation!!

Tried to post a YouTube video but was unable to.

https://youtu.be/APuWdib1hEU

[heatmap]

message me the link on 30